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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Matuka Jack on August 31, 2004, 11:23:48 AM
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It sounds like there are different techniques utilize in fishing Vedder/Chilliwack River. I believe that this goes to respecting pevailing fishing method for the particular sections of the river.
Are the different techniques applies to different sections of the river?
What techniques applies to which sections of the river?
Information that you provide is greatly appreciated.
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Most anglers employ the float fishing method. There are some who like to bottom bounce using long leaders. I do not recommend the sockeye mentality. Stick to using floats and short leaders and you will do just fine.
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And don't neglect the spoons and spinners. :) A couple of years back, a friend of mine managed to land 3 coho in ten minutes with a copper hammered croc while I had no hits on the float. Then again, how often do you see me catch a fish... ;D
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If you're not using roe, look at what everybody else is tossing in i.e. red/orange and toss something different. I've used blue with success and I think it's because the Coho see red all day that they get used to it and don't react. Change your colour combos often if your not getting hits. Also try small hooks (#4), and light leader (6-8 lb.), and small wool when the water is clear. When using roe, keep it to the size of a quarter. You'll miss hits with large chunks. Spinners/blades work as Rodney says. My first experience with a spoon was at limit/boundary hole. We arrived late in the day and watched what was happening (nothing). My buddy changes his wool to a large blue croc and first cast has one on. Keep trying things until you find what works for you. Watch the guys arround you and ask questions.
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Remember also that DFO has extra enforcement and patrol staff out. If it is observed that Sockeye are being hooked no one will be fishing the Vedder. Bottom bouncing long leaders are sure to do that if there are Sockeye around and you will destroy the Vedder for everyone.
Some at DFO wanted even now to close from Tamihi to the confluence because of the imminent danger of someone catching a Sockeye or harming a Sockeye. We have argued that one and won for now. DFO has agreed to let it stay open for now - BUT!
The first action will be to close the abutement hole and the boomstick hole and then who knows what. So please stay away from the 381 Sockeye that might show.
Frank
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Just fish next to the guy whats wearing a tilly.
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Same as the others have mentioned or try this. Small piece of pencil lead with a 1-2 foot leader attached and a 1/0 hook with small piece of wool, fish this setup in a pool and it will bring you good success. Use a 8-10lb leader in case something larger decides to bite.
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The Cultus Sockeye are currently in the river. Frank is absolutely right, DFO WILL close part of the river if these Sockeye are being caught. Please don't bottom bounce below Vedder Crossing, and also avoid using spoons and spinners between Vedder Crossing and Peach Road. Remember that some of these Sockeye are adipose clipped, make sure it is a Coho you're knocking on the head!
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I have asked that exact same question. Apparently the adipose clip is the only clip that does not affect survival rates. DFO does not want to take any chances with this endangered run of fish. Sure seems silly to a lot of us. Max clips never seemed to bother Steelhead, I guess Sockeye are different. ???
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Sorry meant #1. A #2 is getting a little on the small side if you want any springs or chums.
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Is it advisable to use a spoon without a float in the pools?
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I usually use a float regardless to keep the spoon off the bottom and from snagging fish as I reel. In a deeper pool you can go sans float. You can also get them short floating a colorado blade. The fish will come for it.
Most of the time on the Vedder Ill be short floating roe on 16 or so inches of leader and not be touching the bottom at all. My float is almost always perpendicular to the water during my drift (might brush bottom for a few feet at a tailout of a run). The float goes down smoothly when a fish bites or I get hung on something sticking up from the bottom (stick, fishing line etc). It's a very good strike to hook ratio with this method which is good as Id rather have 5 or 6 strikes in a morning and hook two or three then strike almost every cast and still maybe hook two or three and then some of those might not be in the mouth... ::) ??? It annoys me when I see that going on.
6 lb - 8lb leader, 10 - 12 lb mainline. Pencil lead on top of a bead (buddy showed me that trick to keep your knot on the swivel protected from the weight sliding up and down) a cut down 5/8 inch straight-through foam float and #4 - #2 gammie hooks is what I have for the Vedder/Chehalis during the fall. Maybe a tuft of peachy orange wool to go with the roe or something to use on its own for a change if fishing is slow.
Hope it'll be a good year and see some of you out there! ;D
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Neat Freak, you can certainly use spoons without a float. This can be done in frog waters where current is small or does not exist. In the faster water, I prefer to strictly fish with wool/roe/singles under a float. Spoon casting in fast waters can be frustrating. You would either snag onto the bottom if your lure is too heavy, or your lure will drift away on the surface if it is too light.
Gordie: Good post. One factor that drives me back to the Vedder is the sight of that float being pulled down faster than your eyes blink. I can always catch almost as many coho down around Richmond, but there is something about float fishing that drives me back. Another advantage about float fishing is that you are able to fish selectively. Short floating allows you to target strictly coho and maybe a few spring jacks. Your chance of hooking a big bad spring is smaller. This allows you to use lighter line if necessary. If you are after the big white spring, simply go slightly deeper. During pink season, the same scenario happens. Lengthen your float depth, you'll get into pinks (dead and alive) and springs. Shorten your float depth, you'll be into coho all day long. ;D
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The two above posts are getting me excited for another coho season ahead. ;D ;D
Off to Penticton now for a medal or two?? and then some spring jacks in the Thompson on the way home with OB2 as well, a busy week ahead.
Frank Kw will keep the forum up todate on OB2 plans
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Right you are Rodney
Maybe we'll hook up this fall now that I might have some time to fish after 2 years of doing barely any.
Looking forward to it!
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Sounds like a good plan. It would be refreshing to have someone else outfishing me for once other than the retired dudes in Chilliwack. ;D
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for spoons, whats the ideal retrieve speed?
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for spoons, whats the ideal retrieve speed?
Slow
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Hi, let me start to say, that my english is not very good :P so i hope your understand my question´s ?? ( comes later :o)
Iám from DENMARK, and come to fish the VEDDER 16.september, this year :D :D :D But I have never catch a salmon before ! :-[ soo this is my first try. Me and 3 friends, are planing to stay there, for 1 week, and then travel to KITIMAT for another week. as I can see, many of you, are using float, for salmon-fishing , but I like flyfishing !! is that any good in the VEDDER ????? and what do I have to use ???? ( type of line,fly´s ect. ) and what part of the river, is the best for fly-fishing ???
I hope, that someone can help mee ?
coho seems to be the fish, that I hope to catch!! but also kings are in my mind :D
Regarding
Allan B.
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Hello fellow dane! ;)
This is definitely the place to get the information you need.
Og så lige på dansk! Husk at I skal købe fishing licenses som kan være ret dyre for ikke-canadiere. Husk ikke bruge triple hooks, meget ulovligt!
Men det lyder somom i allerede har sat jeg ind i det meste.
Jeg har selv fisket en del i Canada fordi ham som kører denne her hjemmeside er min kæreste gennem 4 år (jeg kom hjem til Danmark for en uge siden) og jeg kan sige jer at I med sikkerhed får en rigtig fed tur!
Sorry to all the people who don't read danish very well ;)
Are you going out with tour guides or by yourselves?
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;D ;D ;D total griner, at man lige får fat i en dansker i dette forum ;D ;D
det må jeg sige, det er sgi´ fornemt ;D
For det første, vi regner IKKE med at "hyre" en guide !! for vi har booket en autocamper, og planen er faktisk, at rejse lidt rundt, og fiske der hvor fiskeriet er bedst !!!! ( foreløbigt satser vi på vedder og så kitimat )
HVOR dyr er lige den licens du snakker om ??
og tak for oplysningen om forbud mod 3´kroge !!! det vidste jeg faktisk ikke :-[
ved du noget om mulighederne for at flue-fiske i vedder ?? ( ikke fordi jeg er kræsen ;) men bare fordi jeg HELST vil fange laks på flue ) men selvfølgelig er jeg parat til at bruge andre metoder, hvis det er det der skal til, for at fange min første laks :P
MHT. tidspunket ( de sidste 2 uger af september ) er det så ikke et udmærket valg, eller ???
ps. hvor i DK kommer du fra ?? jeg selv bor i kolding!
på forhånd tak, og undskyld jeg skriver på dansk, men det er en MEGET stor hjælp, at jeg ikke behøver at skrive på engelsk, da det ikke lige er min stærke side :-[
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Ok, just to let the other people (who know way way more about fishing than me….) catch on: ;)
You’re gonna be driving around in an auto camper and you plan to stay one week at the Vedder and one week in Kitimat.
The fishing license (fisketegn) is pretty expensive for foreigners – you have to check in the local tackle store or I’m sure you can look it up on the net. Rodney can probably find the web site for you. You can buy one which lasts a year or you can get one on a daily basis which is probably more expensive – I’m not sure.
Also remember to pick up a fishing regulation book at the tackle store because the openings for salmon fishing vary from time and place. They have way more rules about fishing in Canada than we do in Denmark! ;D
Yep – no triple hooks on rivers. It’s a big no no, very different from Danish rules. :-\
Fly fishing on the vedder – other people have to fill you in on that. ???
The last 2 weeks of September – I would think it is a bit early for the coho and chum salmon……I am sure Rodney will fill you in as soon as he gets up (remember they are 9 hours behind over there ;) )
Also, I am not sure if you have done this, but take a tour around the main site at www.fishingwithrod.com.
There are tonnes of articles on especially salmon fishing but also other kind of coarse and fly fishing.
Lastly, this forum has a private messaging system so you can message any of the members privately. This way we can keep the main forum english ;D ;)
I am very envious you are going over there, you are gonna have a great trip! Canada is a very beautiful country and people are really nice (although a bit weird at times, when driving, they are allowed to turn right even when its red.... ??? ;D )
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Dane,
Contact Freds Tackle
http://www.freds-bc.com/
They sell maps of the Vedder/Chilliwack river and will give you some good information. There are lots of good spots for fly fishing on the lower and upper river. Contact Fred's for a map and info on how to get to the spots. Single barbless hooks always. Good Luck. Hope you have a great holiday ;D
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Good tip doc.I can remember when I finaly figgerd out that I kept getting hits when I stopped the retreive or changed the pace/action as when Id turn to look at something or use my hand for something other than reeling.
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Don't forget HUB"S in Abbey! I find these guys a great deal more helpful!
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Yeah, I like Hubs too. I just thought that an out-of-towner would be able to locate Fred's easily as he is right at the river. If the truth be known, I go to Hub's often and have been in Fred's about 5-6 times in 12 or so years of river fishing.
http://www.hubsports.com/
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Dane, you may be a tad on the early side, especially for springs (kings) but one plus will be the river probably wont be that busy. Dont get me wrong, there are definately fish there to catch if you put your time in. The Kitimat should be good though.
Im a bit of a flogger when it comes to fly fishing, but I have caught them on sinking tip lines in back-waters and pools with a fairly slow retrieve. I found that rolled muddlers, blue mickey fins or anything shiny size #8 - #6 works. I did real well a few years back on a sculpinish looking thing made of elk hair with gold wrap on the body and in the tail in about size #8 I think. Wish I could find that fly again as I left my only one in a coho thanks most likely to a wind knot.
Rodney, dont count on getting outfished...them retired folk have something us workers dont and Im not talking about drennen floats either. Fish just seem to like the retired guys! ;D
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Thanks alot, for all the help I get in here ;D it is nice to meet so many sweet people, and I will look forward to visit your country ;D ;D ;D ( whish there were more danes, like canadian fishermen´s :P ;D)
As I understand ! it seems that kitimat have more salmon, at this time of year ?? is that rigt ? ore is it the same sitiuation op there ??
and thanks for the tip Gordie 8)