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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jimmy on August 23, 2004, 08:46:00 AM

Title: coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: Jimmy on August 23, 2004, 08:46:00 AM
Is this an option? I was told to throw a spoon but I would like to fight one of these big boys on my fly set up.

would a 7 weight be enought?
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: Koho on August 23, 2004, 09:10:59 AM
A 7 weight should be fine and will be great fight, unless you get a real bruiser or a spring  ;D.  Do you have fighting butt on your rod?
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: Jimmy on August 23, 2004, 10:15:47 AM
small fighting butt. It is a dragon fly 7 weight. Will it be best to use floating line or sink tip? It is only about 5-8 ft in that area isn't it?
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: Redeye on August 23, 2004, 10:46:26 AM
small fighting butt. It is a dragon fly 7 weight. Will it be best to use floating line or sink tip? It is only about 5-8 ft in that area isn't it?

It would be better to use a sink tip.  I've even used full sink before, but it all depends on the water conditions.  But a floating line would not be able to get the fly into the water fast enough and since you are not dry fly fishing for coho... I'd recomend something that would get your fly into the stike zone as fast as possible before your fly floats past them.
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: Koho on August 23, 2004, 11:25:05 AM
I agree with RE, the sink tip would be the most versatile depending on the water condition.  Good luck!
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: daveg on August 23, 2004, 03:23:34 PM
Coho on the fly.......I strongly reccommend sticking to frog water so the fish have a fair opportunity to see your fly.
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: flyguy44 on August 23, 2004, 07:03:27 PM
I flyfish the lower Vedder as often as time allows. It is an awsome fishery. :) :)  I have landed coho,spring and chum in the slower water when played properly. As for your line it depends on water depth and current speed . you must get down where the fish are. Do you use weighted flies? When the water is low a sink tip should suffice.

 If you see someone between the kieth wilson and the freeway it's problably me say hi. :) :)

 P.S.    sparse blue and gold muddler you won't be dissapointed
            Have fun
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: mali keka on August 23, 2004, 08:59:06 PM
A 6 weight is perfect for coho on the Cap. If you hook into a big spring, then you're in trouble.. ;)
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: 2:40 on August 23, 2004, 09:27:04 PM
Ive done well late Sept to mid Oct at the mouth of the Sumas on spoons and flies.  Ive caught one of my biggest coho on a spoon down there. (12 lb 6 oz)

When the tide is coming in the fish seem to move and bite really well.  Keep an eye on the tide charts.  I forget how long it takes to effect up there though from the readings taken in the chuck.

Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: daveg on August 23, 2004, 10:57:03 PM
a 6wt or 7wt is sufficient in most cases for coho.

Fishing fast water on the fly for coho is almost going to guarantee the hook will be on the outside of the mouth
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: TtotheE on August 23, 2004, 11:02:36 PM
Isn't that if you were to fish the same depth as the fish's mouth?  If you were to fish the water column just above the fish then you wouldn't have that scenario.  The higher your presentation is from the fish the more likely more fish will see it. (The cone theory for a fish's vision).

I've always heard on the hotlines to use a long leader,  split shot and rolled muddlers on a dry line.
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: daveg on August 23, 2004, 11:40:28 PM
EtotheE my comments were directed to the people that were suggesting sink tips for fast water.  Dry line and a weighted is a good choice. I personally prefer to use a slime line in slow slough like water as do most coho fly fishermen.
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: TtotheE on August 23, 2004, 11:45:39 PM
Thanks for the clarification daveg.  And that's "T to the E"  ;)

Can anybody explain the hook being on the outside on the closer side?
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: daveg on August 23, 2004, 11:49:59 PM
I don't know obviously your an expert why don't you tell me or maybe you can show me this coho season.  

We are talking about coho right.
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: DocSpratley on August 23, 2004, 11:55:03 PM
No Dave....I'm the expert....remember?  :-*
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: daveg on August 23, 2004, 11:56:07 PM
oh sorry yeah i forgot....catch any pinks lately?
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: DocSpratley on August 23, 2004, 11:57:08 PM
Yeah, got a big juicy pink on my Jungle cock fly.
Check out the new beek of the week pic!
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: flyguy44 on August 24, 2004, 05:45:37 AM
I agree with Daveg . Also when i,m not having much luck I add a small splitshot or a weighted fly toget in the zone this usually improves my luck.

 P.S     I fished the past 5 seasons with a 7 weight  with little problems
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: Jimmy on August 24, 2004, 07:24:50 AM
Thanks, I was only looking for information not trying to spark a debate, or argument.

I look forward to trying this fishery as I will not be attending the upper river gong show this year.

Doc you got a pm......
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: Redeye on August 24, 2004, 07:29:25 AM
Isn't that if you were to fish the same depth as the fish's mouth?  If you were to fish the water column just above the fish then you wouldn't have that scenario.  The higher your presentation is from the fish the more likely more fish will see it. (The cone theory for a fish's vision).

I've always heard on the hotlines to use a long leader,  split shot and rolled muddlers on a dry line.

Just because a sink tip is used... it does not mean that it is fishing the exact depth of the fish and all people using the sink tips are flossing the fish?  If that was the case, I'll bet that you couldn't buy any sink tip line because they would be all sold off the shelves.  (Could you imagine a line that would automatically go to the fish's mouth level?)  Could it be possible that they are also fishing the column just above the fish?  What would be the difference between using a float line, with long leader, with split shot vs. using a sink tip line???
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: daveg on August 24, 2004, 02:03:11 PM
Firstly we are not talking about fish specifically we are talking about Coho.

Secondly it depends on the kind of water you are fishing not if you are fishing a sink tip.

Thirdly you can do the math and figure out the sinking rate of a type 6 vs a small shot on your line, I don't have time.

Lastly I don't fish fast water for coho and I also don't use shot on my line.  How long have you been hooking Coho on a swung fly and do you get them on dries too?
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: daveg on August 24, 2004, 02:24:22 PM
I catch sturgeon on green wool.
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: Gutslinger on August 24, 2004, 02:55:04 PM
every one knows green wool works the best for all kinds of fish  ::)

The reason you dont see sink tips flying off the shelves at tackle shops is becuase all these internet 'fishermen' couldnt be botherd with the trial and error that comes along with learning what kind of tips work in different situations sure your tip could be to light and you could be way aboe the fish but it could also be to heavy and you can snag them in the arse all day too they fight harder that way  ::)
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: Redeye on August 24, 2004, 02:57:50 PM
Firstly we are not talking about fish specifically we are talking about Coho.

Secondly it depends on the kind of water you are fishing not if you are fishing a sink tip.

Thirdly you can do the math and figure out the sinking rate of a type 6 vs a small shot on your line, I don't have time.

Lastly I don't fish fast water for coho and I also don't use shot on my line.  How long have you been hooking Coho on a swung fly and do you get them on dries too?

Firstly I know we are talking about coho specifically at the mouth of the vedder.

Secondly I agree it all depends on the type of water condition.

Thirdly my point is that in your post you make it seem like all people who use a sink tip are flossing the fish.  My point is that just because a sink tip is used it does not mean that we are flossing the fish.

To answer your question about how long I've been chucking flies for Coho...it's been about 12 years since I chucked my first fly for a coho.  I've never gotten them on a dry fly, but I have on my dry line before.

Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: daveg on August 24, 2004, 05:11:36 PM
Glad we agree on a couple of things.  

Perhaps I need to be more clear.  I am not slamming sink tips specifically.  I am simply questioning the application of use under certain circumstances.  Also I wasn't asking how long you have been fly fishing for Coho as that is a moot point.  I was asking how long have you been getting them on a swung fly.
Title: Re:coho at the mouth of the vedder on a fly
Post by: DocSpratley on August 25, 2004, 01:31:55 AM
Tee Hee...moot point.
If your name was Ed, it woul be retard-ED  ;)