Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Koho on August 18, 2004, 07:07:20 AM
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I've had the opposite experience with Shimano. I've had 2 of their TDR rods crack at the ferrules while trolling with downriggers. But their Calcutta is the sweetest bc reel I've casted out.
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I've had the opposite experience with Shimano. I've had 2 of their TDR rods crack at the ferrules while trolling with downriggers. But their Calcutta is the sweetest bc reel I've casted out.
hey koho
have you ever tried abu's higher end Rocket reels? pretty nice imho. and about $140 cheaper than calcs.
(http://i20.ebayimg.com/02/i/01/da/a1/1c_1.JPG)
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Hey Fishin_Chick. If your still getting the "be nice to girls" routine, then milk it! You've go a good thing going there that most of us guy's would be envious of. Of course, that's if guy needed help ;)TIC
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good job fishin chick glad you got your sockeye ;D ;D ;D
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I think abu is absoluty horrible. The guys at stores say that too. i just got a calcatta about a year ago. paid 200$ and now its broken lol. so i dono what to buy now.
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My abu c-4 works like a dream... my issue with it is when I broke it down for regreasing I found out the spool gears opposite of the handle are white plastic !
This bothers me because I am sure now eventualy the reel will let me down...
CJ.
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Dennis K do you know if those Abu Rockets come in big lefties. Can't stand any of the Abu's, they make me want to pin fish all the time.
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I own several Ambassadors and a Calcutta. They are all excellent reels but my preference has to be the Shimano Calcutta. Much smoother
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Can someone give me directions to this place. thanks.
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I'm not trying that again :-[
See "Herrling 17th SUCKED!"
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Thanks grumman... ;)
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dennisk:
Haven’t tried that model. I personally like the thumb lever design on the Calcutta.
Got my Calcutta on eBay. Can find some real deals there.
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Casino Jim,
The nylon gears operate the worm gear which in turn drives the line guide (pawl) and there is a good reason for using nylon here. Sometimes, accidental thumbs and fingers get in the way of run away spring and in this case the nylon gears will strip before having crushed digit.
I don't mind this gear being nylon as there is little pressure on these gears anyways. Also, they are cheap to replace.
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Agree. Could never understand why people would post with their rods alongside their fish in the water. Just asking for trouble.
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Fishin' chick, i guess you and your brothers have abanned herrling island and moved to peg leg. I just realized that it was you and your brother that i meant at herrling. You were driving a red pick up 2 days ago there and you had your whole family there, Im the big chinese guy that wears a red wind breaker. You were telling me that all the sockeyes were landed could be handed with 1 hand.
didn't you know that red clothing scares fish away? good luck in clear water dude...
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I own several Ambassadors and a Calcutta. They are all excellent reels but my preference has to be the Shimano Calcutta. Much smoother
have to agree Calcutta is sweet never looked back since i got mine, however my g/f uses an abassador and I don't see anything wrong with them, use it sometimes too
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Casino Jim,
I don't mind this gear being nylon as there is little pressure on these gears anyways. Also, they are cheap to replace.
Thanks bud! good points! I feel better about my c-4 now.
CJ.
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The rod, I've had for eons. But its a goodie. shimano makes great rods but really $h*tty reels. abu's the only way to go.
Bite your tongue there f_c....nothing wrong with Shimano reels. :P
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Dennis K do you know if those Abu Rockets come in big lefties. Can't stand any of the Abu's, they make me want to pin fish all the time.
Patches - my lefty buddy is in the same boat - but sadly Abu do not make a left handed rocket. silly Abu....best reel i've owned, no way you can join the "right side"?
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I think abu is absoluty horrible. The guys at stores say that too. i just got a calcatta about a year ago. paid 200$ and now its broken lol. so i dono what to buy now.
Don't know what to buy? This may be a little expensive , but look at the Daiwa millionare Z300A reel. Top end price but an amazingly smooth casting reel with a great drag. It will be very hard to find one to check out on the lower mainland, I don't think many dealers have this in stock, maybe the new guys at Jaymers. This reel is nothing like any of the previous millionare reels. If you take one apart and compare it to any of the abu's or calcutta's it will really impress you. The hard part to swallow will be the price around $369.00.
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hmmm
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Dennisk, no i can't join you righties, my rod is in my right hand & reel with left.......for ALL types of fishing. Why are all bc's made for righties?
most everyone I know casts with their right hand, then switches the rod to the left hand so they can reel in with their right.......seems bass ackwards to me. That Rocket sure looks cool though. The Calcutta TE does come in a big leftie FYI. I thinks it's about $600 though.
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Hey RLN before you buy a Diawa have you tried an Abu Morrum?Ive had mine for 3yrs never had a problem.Also have a couple of Calcuttas.But still come back to the Morrum. Goodluck on what ever reel you choose. HAPPY FISHING
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Hey RLN before you buy a Diawa have you tried an Abu Morrum?Ive had mine for 3yrs never had a problem.Also have a couple of Calcuttas.But still come back to the Morrum. Goodluck on what ever reel you choose. HAPPY FISHING
I have tried most of the abu products including a Morrum. I just feel that the m-cv-z300a Daiwa is the best levelwind out there at this time. It's quite bullet proof and smooth in both drag and casting. Others that I have let try the reel have gone out and purchased them afterwards. There are lots of good levelwinds out there by most makers.
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morrums are NICE reels, but wayy too small for our rivers and holey $$$$$$ - does not hold much line and I do not want to use fireline. morrums are great for bass fishing and short chucks, i agree that the daiwa is a nice reel but it has a thumb release which is personally not my cup of tea - otherwise looks pretty excellent. I like the release button on the side of the reel so my thumb is not interfered with when it is on the spool.
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Since we're totally off thread topic here, Shimano also makes (along with their reels) High perf bike accesories :o
I think they have a good understanding of how to make solidly built machines and components in general. Like their Deore XT and XTR . Although I wasn't too excited about their Biopace chainwheels. Are those still used??
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Shimano Calcutta - smooth, but expensive, plastic levelwinder breaks (met the guy who had it broken 3 times), sometime engages the gears during the cast (heard the grinding noise during the cast from other reels including the newest TE). Own a copy of Calcutta 700 (had gears misengagements)
Abu's - different models (from cheap versions for combos to more expensive rocket or magnetic cast control). Standard reels (6500 C3) can be modified to get better cast (extra bearings into levelwind) and smoother drag for big springs (as the standard ones can go only one-two seasons). Never had a misengagement problem. If you want a good reel - get the one with magnetic cast control and extra tension dial on the left side (like in 7000 models or Rockets). Own 3 abus: 6500 C3, 6500 CS (limited edition - magnetic control, 4 bearings, tension dial, extra long casts), BG7000HSN (resently). The BG is a good reel for Chinook (both bar and floss), but requires experience to for extra long casts.
My dream reel: BG7000HSN with super stopper roller bearing, extra two bearings in levelwinder, magnetic cast control.
Both reels should be regularly maintained, avoided contact with sand, and used only to fiight the fish not snags.
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any suggestions for fighting a snag without burning drag or hands? a mcgyver tool?
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Pinkwool: good info on the reels. Could you explain a little more about the Abu BG's? What do you mean they require experience for extra long casts? Can you cast as far as with your Calcutta? How is the drag? How is the construction solid? what does it sell for?
I am thinking about a BG. It appears to be a bit bigger than a 6500 but smaller than a 7000. Also it can be used in salt water.
Thanks.
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dennisK, I usually start with a quick move by rod to release it. If it's just a weight stuck on the rock then it works in 70%, in 20% I put the rod horizontally and grab the line with hands to pull it out, in 10% of the hardest snags I use the help from the friend to hold the rod, then grab the line BEFORE the rod and wrap it 5-6 times on the 6" piece of 1" plastic pipe (your friend should release some line from the reel) and then try to pull it out or break the line.
If it's your main like wrapped around the rock (pulls hard), then I use the friend method described above.
Remember - never pull the snag with your rod the same way as you fight the fish - you can easily break any rod this way. Also, never pull the snag with your reel as you will eat the teeth on your main gears. Also, never have your line break when you pulling it out with your rod in horizontal position. The shock wave from the breaking line can shatter the rod in many pieces.
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norm_2, I used the BG last tuesday and it was not casting far, so I removed all four sliding breaks and released all the tension, making it a free spool cast. As you know with a free spool casts your thumb should do a fine job to prevent bird-nesting. I was outcasting my friend with Shimano, but he was the one who caught all the fish ;D including the Spring. Basically, I was sckunked with my new reel, oh well, next time (or should I say - year, as my wife released a moratorium ;D)
On my magnetic cast reel I do a free spool (no breaks) cassts and control it with the magnets DURING the cast (more magnetic break at the start of the cast, and releasing it in the second half of the cast). This way I can spool out almost 1/2 or more of the spool.
Your rod also plays a big way in the lengths of your casts. The fast action ones will cast farther than the medium ones.
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hmmm funny,
I went away for work for 2 days...I dont remember this thread originally being shimano vs. abu....
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Someone moved it from the pegleg report because it became off topic.
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good info pinkwool. i find that casting a 2oz betty a fair distance should not be a problem for most reels. however, the 200 series calcutta shine in casting light weight a fair distance without the backlash. my only problem with shimano is the price. abu and shimano is like comparing ford and honda, abu are cheap to buy and parts are inexpensive (there's alot around - you can pick up a $35 dollar reel on ebay and scrap it for parts if desparate.) shimano like honda is expensive up front, and definately better performance, but parts are pretty pricey.
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Magnetic controls are good for beginners learing to cast with level wind reel. It helps to control backlash. Once you master the technique, remove the magnets as suggested by Pinkwool. You can then control your line with your thumb. You can cast a lot further without the emcumbrance of the magnets.
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DennisK I have the Abu Morrum 6600cl.Holds just as much line as the Cal 400. Def not a bass reel. ;D ;D. Hey Rln did you get your Diawa yet?If you dont mind me asking where are you looking because i would like to check one out. Thanx and Happy Fishing
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if you want to cast realllllllyyyyyyyyy far, get a Alvey Sidecast reel. some pros in AUS can cast a 2oz weight something like 500 -700 meters :o :o :o :o
www.alvey.com
EDIT: OOOOOPS sorry about that...wrong URL, those guys are a supplier of mine, here is the correct URL:
http://www.ausfish.com.au/alvey/
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I would not like those finger choppers being tested by Fraser chinooks. You are right otto, there are better reels for long casts - it all depends how much you are willing to fork out for them.
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Alvey....starts at 99 buck AUS (and our dollar is matched right now, and no duty...)
just my two cents..
;D
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hey otto, are you sure about that distance? you realize that 700 meters is over 2000 ft. how big are these reels, and what's their line capacity? ???
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check thje wedsitre i posted earlrier......thety reels are aboutr 4" to over 6" in dioameter......escuze the typing...not feeling to hot right noow. m..........
iu do know that hter world roecorsd is held by an AUSiies dude. mabye ,oook under "surf cating, world recordss.)
not feeeling well... going to ER. with a buddy..... see tou in the morning.
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Um...Jimmy here, sorry about that last post people....my buddy Otto is running one heck of a fever. I am taking him to the hospital right now. Sorry again for the previous post. :-\
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my bad...been feeling unwell (infection from cut...turned into fever, poor vision the works)...
i meant to say 600 - 700 FEET not metres, thks for the correctiin fish4life!!!
VGH ER SUX!!!! got put inot a bed next to a crackhead with a cesspool of infection on his chest. had to listen to his screams all nite. >:(
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DennisK I have the Abu Morrum 6600cl.Holds just as much line as the Cal 400. Def not a bass reel. ;D ;D. Hey Rln did you get your Diawa yet?If you dont mind me asking where are you looking because i would like to check one out. Thanx and Happy Fishing
I have owned the said Daiwa for more than a year now, when I recomend it, it's due the Atnarko chinook, thompson steelhead and other fish it has caught. I do know they are hard to find in tackle stores on the lower mainland. Fred's In chillawack may have one. I do know Berry's had one, but they sold it a couple of weeks ago.
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I own both and am much happier with the Shamano
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I own both and am much happier with the Shamano
would you be interested in selling the Sunset Orange colour Abu Ambassadeur 6500?
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I own both and am much happier with the Shamano
would you be interested in selling the Sunset Orange colour Abu Ambassadeur 6500?
Sorry you miss understood I have both an Abu and Shamano
And no I would like to keep them all as my wife and son both fish and my daughter will be throwing a level wind any day now ;D that mean I will have to buy an new rod reel combo.
I have the Catella, Abu 6500, and Millionaire and am happy with them all but prefer the Shamano
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hey koho
have you ever tried abu's higher end Rocket reels? pretty nice imho. and about $140 cheaper than calcs.
Just curious, is the $140 difference between the Rocket and the Calcutta 400, or another Calcutta model?
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well I think Dave at highwater sells the rockets 6500 for ~$200 but the calcutta 400 is about $350 last time i looked...maybe some sales on..you should call around.
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dennisK, I've got the orange limited Florida edition and 6500 C3. Great reel and better than 6500 C3 in the original configuration. The gears on it though are C4 type, which are finer than C3, and are smoother and more delicate. It pulled out my last year's 47lb (some DFO guy estimated more ::) from the picture (I will scan and post it later here)) red spring from Fraser. I've also managed to break the gears while puling out the line from the snag (mind you - any gears would break this way :)) This reel will give you extra long casts and ease of magnetic control. Mine has extra bearing (single only) in the levelwinder, which you can get from mikesreelpepair.com (he has double bearings for both sides) if you decide to upgrade any other 6500 type ABU reel. Who is selling this reel, as I got mine from the AUSy guy and would NOT recommend him again?
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really, c4 type..hmmm...i've like the robustness of the c3s...
yeah, i know who you mean...steve barratt from AUS - not him though, just saw one in a pawn shop in Seattle - $175 US.
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Looks like the going rate for a Calcutta 400 these days is about $289 at Berry's.
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wow - they've come down - must be on sale.
You should just handle them both and think whether 90$ can better spent elsewhere.
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i have the abu 6501C4 and calcutta CT400 and i'd probably say the calcutta has smoother handling and would probably be my choice for the main reel other than the fact it cost 100 dollars more . but i still have the love for my abu.