Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bingbamboom on September 29, 2017, 12:53:36 PM
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I see a lot of conversation concerning crowded rivers, leader lengths , fish handling , fish identification , and little concerning the issue of garbage left by anglers. I myself work on weekends making it difficult to attend organized river clean up days. So I carry small garbage bags and clean up around me every time I go out fishing. I was inspired by witnessing a couple of anglers repeatedly doing just this.I believe fishing is a privelage and not a right and hope to encourage other anglers to keep our rivers clean.
I would like to thank those anglers ,who showed me through their example, how I could help so much by doing so little.
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I see a lot of conversation concerning crowded rivers, leader lengths , fish handling , fish identification , and little concerning the issue of garbage left by anglers. I myself work on weekends making it difficult to attend organized river clean up days. So I carry small garbage bags and clean up around me every time I go out fishing. I was inspired by witnessing a couple of anglers repeatedly doing just this.I believe fishing is a privelage and not a right and hope to encourage other anglers to keep our rivers clean.
I would like to thank those anglers ,who showed me through their example, how I could help so much by doing so little.
Sadly my fish bag usual comes home full of garbage rather then fish. IF your parents never beat it into you to clean the environment you probably don't. Picking up garbage is a habitual behavior for me, like putting on a seat belt.
I would rather see people clean up after them self then uses these so called "ethical angling" methods.
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Nice to see others doing this as well. I wish everyone was doing this. :)
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Good on all 3 of you. I remember picking up great coils of discarded mono on one of those sockeye flossing bars and getting laughed at by some other anglers, one of whom asked if I couldn't afford to buy new line.
The garbage left behind on many popular spots is disgraceful!
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I usually tuck a plastic shopping bag inside my waders for this purpose. But it's happened a number of times where I have filled my bag, there is still more garbage to pick, up, but then I find a plastic bag amongst the garbage to pick up the rest. That is fortunate, sad and ironic.
It's helpful when they leave behind the case so I can put the empties back in and carry that out, rather than waste valuable bag space. :o
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I learned this as a kid.
Always leave it in better shape than you found it.
Pretty easy rule to live by.
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Get Tim Horton s / McDonald s ZipLock and Gamagatzu,to donate to clean ups with prizes
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I've always wondered what motivates the behaviour to leave behind one's trash. A favourite saying of mine is "All behaviour makes sense". It's too easy to say people are pigs or idiots, but that doesn't get at the underlying values and beliefs that drive their behaviour.
The same people that litter on the riverbank would probably also say that they enjoy fishing and being outside in nature. That is incongruent to me but maybe not to them.
Or why would you go through the effort of carrying in full beverage or food containers, but not carry out the now-lighter, emptier, containers? That is incongruent to me, but maybe not to them.
Is it cultural? Is it family or peer group values that they learned/observed? Is there a sense of entitlement and rights? Is it an act of protest that they can't fish for pinks? :)
I'd love to have a focus group of "litterbugs" to understand their behaviour. And no, the fact that I was a psychology major in university has nothing to do with it :)
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Get Tim Horton s / McDonald s ZipLock and Gamagatzu,to donate to clean ups with prizes
Tim Horton's is a corporate sponsor of the Chilliwack Vedder River Cleanup Society.
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Tim Horton's is a corporate sponsor of the Chilliwack Vedder River Cleanup Society.
Now if cammer were to participate in the cleanups he would have known that!
Cue Milo.
Open the popcorn.
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I'd love to see places that sell drinks add a charge for "to go" cups, instead of giving a discount for bringing your own mug. Even if the price difference wound up being the same it would be a recurring reminder that there's a cost, both financial and environmental, to the use of disposables.
I'd also love (LOVE!) to see a deposit on cigarette butts. Like cans at 5 cents a pop. Not sure how practical the redemption aspect would be but it would encourage people to either not litter them, or pick them up for a nickel.
I really liked that the Chilliwack cleanup notice encouraged people to bring their own mugs because disposables wouldn't be available at the event. The cups managed to sneak in anyways but I'm sure the heads-up reduced the number used ::)
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Cammer does a sheet tonne for the resource and will put my resume up against anyone here. On volunteer hours and impact, let's take recent clean up on vedder. World Rivers day... cammer was teaching fishing at Allco,park running the fishing pond for ARMS, I also am a recipient of a National Recreational Fishery Award for the Family Fishing Society. Cammer wonders why Milo says stupid sheet on here and wonders why people don't call him on it?
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It's a good thing I throw all my crap on the ground for you guys to pick up when the fishing sucks and you're bored.
Your welcome. :o
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I remember back when I did a Bacherlor's degree in Archaeology in the 70s and a Professor quipped that we spend years and substantial $ retrieving and analyzing the garbage of some poorest people who ever walked the planet.
The cost of making a bottle or a beer can is quite a bit higher than the deposit. If the return fee was the same as what it cost to make it's been suggested much of our waste problem would vanish.
The sense in the behavior is that there is no perceived value in packing the trash out. Some of us see the value of a landscape free of trash. Others are blind to this.
I've always wondered what motivates the behaviour to leave behind one's trash. A favourite saying of mine is "All behaviour makes sense". It's too easy to say people are pigs or idiots, but that doesn't get at the underlying values and beliefs that drive their behaviour.
The same people that litter on the riverbank would probably also say that they enjoy fishing and being outside in nature. That is incongruent to me but maybe not to them.
Or why would you go through the effort of carrying in full beverage or food containers, but not carry out the now-lighter, emptier, containers? That is incongruent to me, but maybe not to them.
Is it cultural? Is it family or peer group values that they learned/observed? Is there a sense of entitlement and rights? Is it an act of protest that they can't fish for pinks? :)
I'd love to have a focus group of "litterbugs" to understand their behaviour. And no, the fact that I was a psychology major in university has nothing to do with it :)
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It's a good thing I throw all my crap on the ground for you guys to pick up when the fishing sucks and you're bored.
Your welcome. :o
;D ;D ;D
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Cammer does a sheet tonne for the resource and will put my resume up against anyone here. On volunteer hours and impact, let's take recent clean up on vedder. World Rivers day... cammer was teaching fishing at Allco,park running the fishing pond for ARMS, I also am a recipient of a National Recreational Fishery Award for the Family Fishing Society. Cammer wonders why Milo says stupid sheet on here and wonders why people don't call him on it?
Congratulations Cam. Well deserved. I had a 9 year association with the Alco Hatchery.
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Great peeps. Mike I and Ron Mc are great guys. I've done that event for 17 years and our friendship is very strong. The events' fishing pond was stocked with4# trout this year and a few kids almost got pulled in. With the BCFDF volunteers every year this event gets more n.more popular
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It's a good thing I throw all my crap on the ground for you guys to pick up when the fishing sucks and you're bored.
Your welcome. :o
That made me laugh out loud. :)
Cammer does a sheet tonne for the resource and will put my resume up against anyone here. On volunteer hours and impact, let's take recent clean up on vedder. World Rivers day... cammer was teaching fishing at Allco,park running the fishing pond for ARMS, I also am a recipient of a National Recreational Fishery Award for the Family Fishing Society. Cammer wonders why Milo says stupid sheet on here and wonders why people don't call him on it?
I am somewhat familiar with your contributions, cammer. It was a good natured poke and a nod to the cammer/Milo bromance.
Clarki wonders why cammer talks in the first person, and if a "sheet tonne" is equivalent to a metric tonne? If so, that's a lot.
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Cammer talks like this as to have an.out if he says something stoopid,and he gets rightfully called out on it. Cammer still wonders Clarki how some members don't get their wings clipped when saying stoopid sheet ? Where as others get hung to dry? Any insight for cammer?
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Any insight for cammer?
Nope.
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Cammer talks like this as to have an.out if he says something stoopid,and he gets rightfully called out on it. Cammer still wonders Clarki how some members don't get their wings clipped when saying stoopid sheet ? Where as others get hung to dry? Any insight for cammer?
They are scared of me, cammer. I am a nasty SOB. ;D
Or maybe it is because sometimes only cammer sees "stoopid sheet" when there is none. ;)
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One of these days I will book some time off for these river clean up events.
But for myself I always carry a small plastic bag and so far this year I've pulled out enough line to spool one reel from Furry creek, Squamish and Ambleside, a small stack of Tim's cups and several gooey ziplock bags (Part of my wants to find these people and just wrap the bag around their face and suffocate them in old smelly Borax, Procure and eggs.) This year I haven't seen a TON of garbage yet but that doesn't include Stave which can be REALLY bad.
I'll never get what makes people think that throwing garbage on the ground is alright, from it being either cultural or just indifferent thinking/ beliefs, I'll never understand it but if these people want areas like Furry Creek shut down to fishing then they are helping to contribute to the reasons why as some of the people who live in that area do complain about garbage that is left behind like cups, plastic bags and line.
A big personal pet peeve is idiots who snag and cut their mainline cause they are using braid or even heavy mono. Seriously?!?! cutting and leaving like 40+ feet of line in the river to possibly snag around another anglers legs or even kill animals like the beaver a friend posted a while ago, heavy mono wrapped around it's legs and cut through into the flesh and most likely died a slow death.
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They are scared of me, cammer. I am a nasty SOB. ;D
Or maybe it is because sometimes only cammer sees "stoopid sheet" when there is none. ;)
Milo is just a human version of one of those big barky dogs that look worrisome at a distance but just want to lick your face when they get close. ;D