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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: liketofish on August 03, 2014, 06:06:56 PM
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Looks like Snaggy Bar will be off limit to most fishermen this year. The lower trail has been shut down by its native owner last year. Now access from the top end is blocked by multiple fallen trees. With this year's big sockeye run, crowding will be really bad in other bars if Snaggy Bar is totally not accessible. Will the native owner willing to allow access with a fee? The house owner at the top end of Scale Bar is allowing parking & access to Scale Bar for a fee this year. The native owner of the Snaggy Bar access trail can consider doing the same and make a good income. It will be beneficial to both parties. Many people find Snaggy attractive to fish despite its snagginess because the lower access trail is level and is easier to walk compared to other bars. Seniors and families with children can fish this bar. Now they won't have too many alternatives.
If any reader related to the trail owner reads this, please forward the info to him. The native owner came to this site last year to explain why he shut the trail down. I respect his position. The fishermen should now learn that they need to keep the bar/trail clean in order to use the bar. Perhaps the owner can put a box there at the trail entrance where people can drop the fee and their car license plate (similar to the Scale Bar parking system). It can be a sizable income with this year's big sockeye run and will help the crowding issue at the sockeye bars.
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Same thing for Seabird Island (I think also known as spring bar) where the access has been closed by the native band.
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You mean no more walking through the original entrance? I thought they just pushed the parking spots far away from the entrance of Seabird. If access is denied, then crowding will be unbearable elsewhere. It can get ugly when people are fishing too close to each other with line crossing each other. If I can buy $10-$15 per fish which has been bled & frozen properly, I will just stay home.
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They don't care if you fish on the bar they just don't want you using the trail to get there!
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You mean no more walking through the original entrance? I thought they just pushed the parking spots far away from the entrance of Seabird. If access is denied, then crowding will be unbearable elsewhere. It can get ugly when people are fishing too close to each other with line crossing each other. If I can buy $10-$15 per fish which has been bled & frozen properly, I will just stay home.
you have a point there ;)
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They don't care if you fish on the bar they just don't want you using the trail to get there!
are there any alternative access besides boats? I guess the natives want us to buy sockeye from them by shutting all access to these popular bars. ;D I really don't get it about the seabird trail. It is really short trail and then it is all gravel. So why deny people access the river?
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Is boat access fairly easy to Seabird? Which boat launch is best to use?
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Look at Google earth, not sure but I do believe there is one farther up the road.
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Great thanks, has anybody seen or operated a boat in that area?
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you have a point there ;)
It's hard to ignore the politics of it all, as those "no parking" signs should never have gone up. On top of that the CN police have been issuing $176 tickets for crossing the track. Very poor understanding of business opportunities. So if you can put the politics aside, ya, it's cheaper to buy your sockeye at $10 a pop, (assuming a selling permit was purchased), then to buy your license, gear, gas, time,$176 ticket, etc. All I need to do now is figure out who I need to take for dinner to get some speed bumps placed 1 km either side of my home
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Great thanks, has anybody seen or operated a boat in that area?
the local 1st Nations operate boats with OBs in that area all the time. There is a launch at Hope plus there is one father downstream on the south side. Jet boats are common too.
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I don't know how legit the pay parking thing is by scale bar. All I have heard is they have got warnings from the law enforcement already and still, the most up to date news is they are bumping up the parking fee from $10 to $20. Enjoy!
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Looks like all forces are conspiring against the fishermen. Poor guys just want to get 2 sockeye and they have to pay that much for fish. Even that the city wants to shut that down. Natives also try to shut down the fishermen. We are the pawns every body want to kick around. If DFO doesn't help fishermen to get more fishing access & parking, I suggest they should set a limit to the number of new licenses they can sell after the announcement of sockeye opening. It is irresponsible for them to charge people for fishing sockeye and yet the fishing and parking spaces are being hammered down from all sides.
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Looks like all forces are conspiring against the fishermen. Poor guys just want to get 2 sockeye and they have to pay that much for fish. Even that the city wants to shut that down. Natives also try to shut down the fishermen. We are the pawns every body want to kick around. If DFO doesn't help fishermen to get more fishing access & parking, I suggest they should set a limit to the number of new licenses they can sell after the announcement of sockeye opening. It is irresponsible for them to charge people for fishing sockeye and yet the fishing and parking spaces are being hammered down from all sides.
This post makes me giggle. There is just so much to comment on, I don't know where to begin.
However, I do agree with you on one point: DFO should help fishermen get more fishing access and parking. But rather than build parking lots, I suggest that DFO should create more gravel bars for fishing. That could easily be done by lowering the water levels in the Fraser to expose more gravel bars. The best way to accomplish this is to build a large weir on the Fraser, above Hope. The weir would allow so enough water through for the fish to migrate but not enough to flood the gavel bars. I realize that building a weir would be expensive, so another less costly approach would be to harvest gravel from the Mission to Chilliwack stretch of the river and then truck it above Chilliwack to create new gravel bars adn open up more opportunity for sport anglers
DFO needs to step up their game and do more.
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Looks like all forces are conspiring against the fishermen. Poor guys just want to get 2 sockeye and they have to pay that much for fish. Even that the city wants to shut that down. Natives also try to shut down the fishermen. We are the pawns every body want to kick around. If DFO doesn't help fishermen to get more fishing access & parking, I suggest they should set a limit to the number of new licenses they can sell after the announcement of sockeye opening. It is irresponsible for them to charge people for fishing sockeye and yet the fishing and parking spaces are being hammered down from all sides.
agree with that 200%
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Looks like all forces are conspiring against the fishermen. Poor guys just want to get 2 sockeye and they have to pay that much for fish. Even that the city wants to shut that down. Natives also try to shut down the fishermen. We are the pawns every body want to kick around. If DFO doesn't help fishermen to get more fishing access & parking, I suggest they should set a limit to the number of new licenses they can sell after the announcement of sockeye opening. It is irresponsible for them to charge people for fishing sockeye and yet the fishing and parking spaces are being hammered down from all sides.
Your license allows you the privilege to fish and not a right. The only group that has rights are the natives. DFO's job is to manage fish plain and simple, not to make it easier for you to floss your 2 sockeye. Irresponsible for charging people to fish sockeye? since when is our license considered a guarantee to harvest sockeye? Shouldn't you ask for a refund then when socks were closed the last couple of years?
Natives trying to shut down fisherman? You do realize that we have trespassed on their land for many years to gain access to the bars but the natives have had enough with all of the garbage and crap that goes on. You should blame the idiots that ruin it for everyone. How would you like it if people threw garbage and defecated in your back yard?
Its this greed mentality that pervades this whole fishery. Last year I fly-fished Peg Leg for pinks in late August, plenty of room and the fishing was great, but because sockeye are considered to be better eating fish, everyone goes nuts and all common sense gets thrown out.
Chris is right. in all my 25 years of fishing the lower mainland, the crap that I see during sockeye openings far out number what I see on rivers like the Vedder and Chehalis.
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Stratocaster, come on now, don't argue with logic.
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This post makes me giggle. There is just so much to comment on, I don't know where to begin.
However, I do agree with you on one point: DFO should help fishermen get more fishing access and parking. But rather than build parking lots, I suggest that DFO should create more gravel bars for fishing. That could easily be done by lowering the water levels in the Fraser to expose more gravel bars. The best way to accomplish this is to build a large weir on the Fraser, above Hope. The weir would allow so enough water through for the fish to migrate but not enough to flood the gavel bars. I realize that building a weir would be expensive, so another less costly approach would be to harvest gravel from the Mission to Chilliwack stretch of the river and then truck it above Chilliwack to create new gravel bars adn open up more opportunity for sport anglers
DFO needs to step up their game and do more.
You got to be kidding right ? You want DFO to create more gravel bars for fishermen ? The only way to lower the Fraser River is through building numerous dams on feeder streams and right on the Fraser.
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I live near scale bar and spend 1 full day after fishing season(plus several afternoons during the season) to clean up the beach. I have been fishing for years and make a point of respecting the property i cross to go fishing by taking everything with me when i leave. I'm not in favour of the guy allowing parking on his property as it brings more people to that beach which will mean more cleanup. Now if the owner is at the beach picking up garbage after all the people he rents space to and provides a toilet on his property then fine with me. I suspect the District of Hope will have something to say about an unlicensed business. Revenue Canada may also have some questions.
Unfortunately there are too many people that fish who have no respect for anything or they would have the decency to clean up after themselves.
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It is not logic we are arguing about. It is just fact. When you have a parking lot there charging a fee for parking, when the lot is full, they won't allow more cars going in. So when there is only so much space or decreasing space to fit the fishermen, don't sell unlimited non-tidal fishing license sold after the announcing of the sockeye opening. Those huge jump in license sales after the announcement are strictly for sockeye fishing. You and me fishing for steelhead & coho as well as trout & kokanee would have bought the license long before this sockeye announcement. Now if there is an additional 20,000 license sold, where are you going to fit all these people with now only Scale Bar (with limited parking and with the city of Hope trying to shut down this house owner), Peg Leg (too deep to fish effectively) and Laidlaw. The number of people fishing are increasing and the space for shore fishing is decreasing. It is only logical you need to limit the sales of fishing licenses. Why is a government unit exempt from such an obligation? It is not mandate this or mandate that. It is just common sense.
Natives may not intend to shut down the fishermen. But their action of shutting down access without any intent to work out a comprise can be interpreted as having such an intent. I don't defend any one who left garbage. These are the minority though. These jerks ruin it all. Most people bring out their craps or even cleaning out after fishing. At least in Snaggy Bar I saw many fishermen doing that, myself included. We do care about the bar we fish. The fact is, these bars have been accessed for 20+ years by fishermen. It is a way of life for many fishermen who bb for sockeye. Then someone comes in and stop them without any intent to work out a solution. Natives can charge for access and use a small part of that income to hire someone to clean up if that is really necessary. I believe fishermen are now smart enough to clean up if they know the consequence is closure of access. It is only for a short month or so per year, and now only once in 4 years as the other years have sockeye closures. Yet there is no intent to let you guys fish these bars which have been closed to access. That is why I said all forces are conspiring to shut down sockeye fishermen, including the bar fishing fraternity and the language they use to degrade sockeye fishermen. If someone points me to buy sockeye which had been bled and properly frozen at $12-$15 per fish, I will hang up my sockeye rod. Enough of this crap.
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Looks like all forces are conspiring against the fishermen. Poor guys just want to get 2 sockeye and they have to pay that much for fish. Even that the city wants to shut that down. Natives also try to shut down the fishermen. We are the pawns every body want to kick around. If DFO doesn't help fishermen to get more fishing access & parking, I suggest they should set a limit to the number of new licenses they can sell after the announcement of sockeye opening. It is irresponsible for them to charge people for fishing sockeye and yet the fishing and parking spaces are being hammered down from all sides.
Edited to remove all references to whiny and childish.
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Its a license to give you an opportunity to fish in BC Freshwaters. If it was a license to only fish sockeye then you may have an argument (however tenuous it may be). If you bought a new car, would you want your money back if they closed the road going to Whistler? That's the logic to this.
Ask yourself what's in it for the natives, the town of Hope or other principles involved to supply everything you want so that you can fish sockeye for a few weeks every four years. Any economic benefit to them is far outweighed by the costs to build and make parking areas safer as well as maintenance and cleanup and other costs.
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If the ownership of this most popular fishing website is to jeer and laugh at real concern of those large number of fishermen targeting sockeye, then this is unfortunate. This site can be the voice for concern for those who read this site and make this site popular. If there is nothing positive can be said, why laugh at the real concern? Why even lead the charge to jeer at the sockeye fishermen?
I rather want to post for real positive actions which can be considered by the cities or DFO who benefit from this rush of sockeye fishermen. Chilliwack and Hope get a lot more visitors who would buy gas and eat out at the cities. Why should they do things to discourage these visitors? Are sockeye fishermen really nuisances? If DFO who benefits from such additional sockeye related license sales, why shouldn't they do something to help out the situation? I know this is only a fishing web site for entertainment, why posting for legitimate fishing concern is such an abomination here?
Nothing will be changed by what we write here. But at least allow for some discussion. Say if DFO sells an additional 20,000 licenses, at say $50 each, that is 1 million extra intake. Use some of that money to allocate to fishing access improvement. It is a joke to lower the Fraser by a dam for fishing purpose. But $100,000 can go a long way to get extra parking. They can represent fishermen to negotiate with native owners to reward them for allowing access during the sockeye opening. These are proactive things they can do. Sport fishermen are just too weak and too fragmented to deal with the natives or the cities. Perhaps DFO can do something there. Every elitist here wants to bash & jeer at the sockeye fishermen instead of offering some solid suggestions. It is really unnecessary. My 2 cents.
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You're free to post away. Hey, freedom of speech is allowed here isn't it? Just as I am free to laugh at the garbage spews out from that keyboard of yours on a regular basis.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Bring back the pre 1992 regulations - you want to catch sockeye, go fish the salt chuck. End of the so called parking problem. (a certain Maple Leaf fan would probably love this ;D)
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If the ownership of this most popular fishing website is to jeer and laugh at real concern of those large number of fishermen targeting sockeye, then this is unfortunate. This site can be the voice for concern for those who read this site and make this site popular. If there is nothing positive can be said, why laugh at the real concern? Why even lead the charge to jeer at the sockeye fishermen?
I rather want to post for real positive actions which can be considered by the cities or DFO who benefit from this rush of sockeye fishermen. Chilliwack and Hope get a lot more visitors who would buy gas and eat out at the cities. Why should they do things to discourage these visitors? Are sockeye fishermen really nuisances? If DFO who benefits from such additional sockeye related license sales, why shouldn't they do something to help out the situation? I know this is only a fishing web site for entertainment, why posting for legitimate fishing concern is such an abomination here?
Nothing will be changed by what we write here. But at least allow for some discussion. Say if DFO sells an additional 20,000 licenses, at say $50 each, that is 1 million extra intake. Use some of that money to allocate to fishing access improvement. It is a joke to lower the Fraser by a dam for fishing purpose. But $100,000 can go a long way to get extra parking. They can represent fishermen to negotiate with native owners to reward them for allowing access during the sockeye opening. These are proactive things they can do. Sport fishermen are just too weak and too fragmented to deal with the natives or the cities. Perhaps DFO can do something there. Every elitist here wants to bash & jeer at the sockeye fishermen instead of offering some solid suggestions. It is really unnecessary. My 2 cents.
Well put
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agree with that 200%
why? There are 3 other species of fish and 4 every other year that will bite!
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It's highly questionable that 20,000 new licences are sold just because there is a sockeye opening. I suspect most of the people heading to the Fraser to partake in the fishery are from the lower Mainland, Fraser Valley and surrounding areas. Perhaps a few from Washington State. I doubt there are too many people from say Prince George coming down.
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I rather want to post for real positive actions which can be considered by the cities or DFO who benefit from this rush of sockeye fishermen. Chilliwack and Hope get a lot more visitors who would buy gas and eat out at the cities. Why should they do things to discourage these visitors? Are sockeye fishermen really nuisances?
You claim to want to "post for real positive actions" but your post makes no real sense and lacks logic.
All forces are conspiring against the poor fisherman? Just checked and although the Russian Army is part of "all forces" they are in full support of your fishing. Complete nonsense. The vast majority of people don't care and the ones that do are directly effected by people fishing, landowners and people employed by fishing come to mind.
You claim that "the city wants to shut that down" which is complete nonsense, which city wants to shut what down? I am trying to figure out which city you could be referring to but I am drawing a blank. Again, complete nonsense.
"Natives also want to shut that down". I spoke to quite a few of them on the river Sunday and if they wanted me off the river they certainly hid it well because they were quite friendly and chatty. Not complete, just nonsense.
"We are the pawns everyone wants to kick around". Again the Russians, plus the tackle stores, gas stations, marine supply stores, my wife and the guy at the entrance to Island 22 disagree. Nonsense.
Set a limit for licences? The DFO is a federal agency charged with managing Canadian Fisheries, of which the Fraser sockeye fishery is a very small part of their mandate. A comparison to your request would be if the federal Department of Transport rescinded or refused to allow drivers licences in BC because there was a lineup at the border 2 months every 5 years.
They have no mandate for parking or access and if they did they would concentrate it in areas that have more than 30 fishing days a year. Anywhere on Vancouver Island comes to mind. How many millions of $ do you want a department to spend on providing parking so that you can go fishing? It will be substantial because there is not much cheap land along the river from Steveston to Hope. Nonsense.
As far as access being restricted, how do you intend to force a landowner to allow people to cross private property? Never mind the garbage and feces problem just tell me how you yourself would react if they told you that you have to allow hordes of strangers to cross your yard at all hours of the day? And the parking at Scales on the highway was a dangerous proposition and it was inevitable that there would be a fatality. FYI, DFO doesn't restrict parking on BC highways. That would be the Ministry of Transport. I know those guys are all against fishing.
There is nothing stopping you from buying a property with access to the river is there? Then you could let everyone and anyone cross your yard whenever they wanted.
$100,000 would buy one half of a building lot in Chilliwack which would park maybe 20 cars. It would make more sense to park in the nearest free parking spot to where you wanted fish and call a cab to take you to your spot.
BTW, I may be an elitist but I will be out tomorrow to get my fish just like every other year. This isn't about flossing, it is about what I consider to be a silly idea and a sillier conspiracy/ persecution theory.
How about if they take some of that licence money and buy us all fishing gear? The high cost of Maxima is proof that they are all conspiring against fishermen.
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If DFO who benefits from such additional sockeye related license sales, why shouldn't they do something to help out the situation?
Say if DFO sells an additional 20,000 licenses, at say $50 each, that is 1 million extra intake. Use some of that money to allocate to fishing access improvement.
$100,000 can go a long way to get extra parking.
They can represent fishermen to negotiate with native owners
These are proactive things they can do.
Perhaps DFO can do something there.
My 2 cents.
DFO is not a private sector company and doesn't have a mission to generate revenue out of natural resources. Next time when a sockeye opening in Fraser is anticipated, you may choose not to buy a license. Read the stuff from the DFO's website and try to think and learn before sending out all the nonsense...
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/about-notre-sujet/org/vision-eng.htm
Our Role
Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) has the lead federal role in managing Canada's fisheries and safeguarding its waters.
The Department:
supports strong economic growth in our marine and fisheries sectors by supporting exports and advancing safe maritime trade;
supports innovation through research in expanding sectors such as aquaculture and biotechnology; and
contributes to a clean and healthy environment and sustainable aquatic ecosystems through habitat protection, oceans management, and ecosystems research.
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Typical replies from some governmmet poster boys. Say what you want from behind the computer. Legitimate fishermen's concerns are reflected by real fishermen there trying to find parking and space to fish. Go check out the sockeye fishing bars and how jammed and crowded they are. If expressing such concerns, the unnecessary limitation of access to popular sockeye bars, the reduction of parking space, if these are garbages in your mind, then you are not representing the concerns of the majority of the fishermen out there for the sockeye. Sad to see such a popular fishing site wanting to take such a nasty position on even just mentioning of such concerns and trying to discus some possibility of solution.
I feel this site has failed my expectation of being the voice of the fishermen and the problems they face. They may not be fishermen according to some of you elitists. But they are real guys and girls, even kids and senior going after a prized fish which some of you don't consider worthy of your time because you oppose the method of harvesting them.
I will not spill more concerns or garbages any more on this site as I am done with this site and will just happily fish and mind my own business. After fishing for 20+ years, I can catch my sockeye from any opening among the trees or rocks along the non tidal Fraser. I don't even need a fishing bar. I don't need any fishing report as I have a vast network of active fishermen exchanging current fishing condition.
Expressing all these 'garbages' is done more for those guys than myself. But with this site and the view of the owner, such motivation is something to be laughed at & jeered. Too bad. You guys can keep on hammering me. Fine, and I am done posting from now on. It has been a good experience posting here. Tight line.
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What?? DFO is not a lobbying group for recreational fishermen?? Outrageous! ;D
Oh right, at some point I probably should let out a little secret which may disappoint some clueless individuals. When you purchase a BC freshwater fishing licence, your licence dollars are allocated to the Freshwater Fisheries Society of BC and Habitat Conservation Trust Foundation. When you purchase a salmon conservation surcharge for retaining your salmon in freshwater, the total amount goes to the Habitat Conservation Trust Foundation. DFO does not receive funds from our freshwater angling licence dollars.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=36072.0
Oops… Too busy worrying about others taking your fish as always.
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When you purchase a BC freshwater fishing licence, your licence dollars are allocated to the Freshwater Fisheries Society of BC and Habitat Conservation Trust Foundation. When you purchase a salmon conservation surcharge for retaining your salmon in freshwater, the total amount goes to the Habitat Conservation Trust Foundation.
Uhhhh... Now we know for who all the anti-flosser conspirators work for! ;D
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Kind of funny that this "anti-flosser" always ends up at all these boring meetings which deal with issues and improvements for the Fraser River sockeye salmon fishery. I must be conspiring with DFO to eliminate all access for the poor fishermen! The guilt, gonna lose some serious sleep tonight!
I just want to let everyone know that I've been the one turning down the parking lot proposals at the table... :-[
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I just want to let everyone know that I've been the one turning down the parking lot proposals at the table... :-[
So you're the person for the lack of parking at the Stave ? :)
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Yes! :D
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I knew it! I thought i saw you putting up the no parking signs on the west side of the stave! Lol
I also heard you're trying to make the whole vedder/chilliwack river private use only too! A pay per use river. ;)
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I knew it! I thought i saw you putting up the no parking signs on the west side of the stave! Lol
I also heard you're trying to make the whole vedder/chilliwack river private use only too! A pay per use river. ;)
Already working on that, so people don't sneak up behind me in the morning there like what happened a few weeks ago! ;D
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You got to be kidding right ? You want DFO to create more gravel bars for fishermen ? The only way to lower the Fraser River is through building numerous dams on feeder streams and right on the Fraser.
Yes, I was kidding. Purely satirical
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If I can buy $10-$15 per fish which has been bled & frozen properly, I will just stay home.
You should know that it is a long-standing tradition on the west coast that is unethical to eat fish not caught by you or a member of your family or fishing party. You never buy fish.
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You should know that it is a long-standing tradition on the west coast that is unethical to eat fish not caught by you or a member of your family or fishing party. You never buy fish.
Instead you waste all your hard earned money on the CHANCE you will snag er I mean catch two? Hey I caught two but it cost about 75 $ :)
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come on. sockeye flossing is the biggest party in fisherman community. I want to join!
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Kind of goes against your name :)
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Kind of goes against your name :)
Bahahaha... well played.
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Doctor said it's a good practice for my social anxiety disorder.
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I live near scale bar and spend 1 full day after fishing season(plus several afternoons during the season) to clean up the beach. I have been fishing for years and make a point of respecting the property i cross to go fishing by taking everything with me when i leave. I'm not in favour of the guy allowing parking on his property as it brings more people to that beach which will mean more cleanup. Now if the owner is at the beach picking up garbage after all the people he rents space to and provides a toilet on his property then fine with me. I suspect the District of Hope will have something to say about an unlicensed business. Revenue Canada may also have some questions.
Unfortunately there are too many people that fish who have no respect for anything or they would have the decency to clean up after themselves.
Good work, if you are interested lets set a date to cleanup this area after the activity ends. The Chilliwack Vedder River Cleanup Society will provide the bags and pickup sticks. Also i am sure i can find some funds to provide some type of BBQ with drinks etc. through the Fraser Valley salmon Society. Can you secure access close to the site for garbage removal etc.? I am sure I can get some media attention. We may take a look at doing some bars down Chilliwack way too. like we did 4 years ago.
We can set up a separate thread once we see when the season ends.
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Typical replies from some governmmet poster boys. Say what you want from behind the computer. Legitimate fishermen's concerns are reflected by real fishermen there trying to find parking and space to fish. Go check out the sockeye fishing bars and how jammed and crowded they are. If expressing such concerns, the unnecessary limitation of access to popular sockeye bars, the reduction of parking space, if these are garbages in your mind, then you are not representing the concerns of the majority of the fishermen out there for the sockeye. Sad to see such a popular fishing site wanting to take such a nasty position on even just mentioning of such concerns and trying to discus some possibility of solution.
I feel this site has failed my expectation of being the voice of the fishermen and the problems they face. They may not be fishermen according to some of you elitists. But they are real guys and girls, even kids and senior going after a prized fish which some of you don't consider worthy of your time because you oppose the method of harvesting them.
I will not spill more concerns or garbages any more on this site as I am done with this site and will just happily fish and mind my own business. After fishing for 20+ years, I can catch my sockeye from any opening among the trees or rocks along the non tidal Fraser. I don't even need a fishing bar. I don't need any fishing report as I have a vast network of active fishermen exchanging current fishing condition.
Expressing all these 'garbages' is done more for those guys than myself. But with this site and the view of the owner, such motivation is something to be laughed at & jeered. Too bad. You guys can keep on hammering me. Fine, and I am done posting from now on. It has been a good experience posting here. Tight line.
I know you have left this site and will not be reading this but some others especially new readers will.
I have know Rod since 2002 and there has not been many people who have put more time and effort in to making things better, (in simple words) since then for not only us, the recreational angler and most important for the fish and the environment as well.
Being nearly 71 I know my time is limited before I will make that last cast but I am glad there is a person like Rod who will continue to do the work he does not only for my son's, and grandchildren but for all of you as well.
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Instead you waste all your hard earned money on the CHANCE you will snag er I mean catch two? Hey I caught two but it cost about 75 $ :)
I love it when people use the argument that they want to "catch" their own sockeye and that is the reason they wont buy them instead. Even though financially it makes sense to buy them by a large margin. Sure their is the odd person that lives within a 5 minute walk to where they can catch them, but that is a very small minority. Saying you want to "catch" them yourself can apply to using a net or in the case of the "fishermen" snagging them. You cannot call yourself a "sport" fisherman when catching sockeye. It is not sporting to snag a fish. Its only sporting when the fish comes and takes your offering willingly.
If your going to be a snagger just say so. I dont even judge those that do, I just wish that anyone who participates in this harvest would just say what it really is.
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I love it when people use the argument that they want to "catch" their own sockeye and that is the reason they wont buy them instead. Even though financially it makes sense to buy them by a large margin. Sure their is the odd person that lives within a 5 minute walk to where they can catch them, but that is a very small minority. Saying you want to "catch" them yourself can apply to using a net or in the case of the "fishermen" snagging them. You cannot call yourself a "sport" fisherman when catching sockeye. It is not sporting to snag a fish. Its only sporting when the fish comes and takes your offering willingly.
If your going to be a snagger just say so. I dont even judge those that do, I just wish that anyone who participates in this harvest would just say what it really is.
Great, the "let me tell you how you should do it because I know how you should" crowd is here.
Thank you oh wise fishing god that knows all.
BTW, you forgot to say "I used to floss but I don't since I saw the light." All the non-flossers say that.
I won't call you names if you don't call me names. I have friends that use to go net smelt (when there were smelt) and they called it sport and catching. I have friends that put out bait and catch prawns and crabs and they call it sport and catching. I personally enjoy fishing for socks and it fits my definition of sport. I don't think it is the most challenging fishing I do but I would rather floss sockeyes than sit and watch a sturgeon rod (ooh do we use the gills or the roe from the sockeye my friends caught?) and there is a lot of people who agree with me. I understand the peer pressure that you are under to put down flossers but I would think that common sense would allow you to say "to each his own" and not feel you have to put us down just to look good to your group.
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True I did it when it first started and tried it once again to still find it sickening . Your right it just my point of view BUT do I have to go to every forum daily and read the same crap during the season? You know what I mean , IE what color wool were they hitting on or what rock were you standing on or they can't block access the river with " no trespassing" signs on private property. It's stupid!
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So... .. what colour wool ARE they biting? ;) tee hee
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yawn ::)
If you don't like it, don't do it.
If you like it, fill yer boots. Every one has individual standards or guidelines in how they conduct their affairs; how boring would it be if we all agreed?
Dave, never flossed and never will, but respects the rights of others to do so.
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Gord ( if your the same Gord I think you are ) your a fisherman no doubt about it. My biggest problem with this fishery is the people who all of a sudden think they are now fisherman because they can now catch fish. These are the guys who dont fish any other time and just buy a licence every time the sockeye open.
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(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/2e/33/22/2e3322fdffd252d493a463db863b5cb9.jpg) These worked like a damn from I heard Dave they are newest hottest color for Sockeye
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Those so look good. And would keep my kids entertained too. My go to color of wool and corkie for sockeye is clear. Nothing beats a good clear offering :)
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I've heard that there were like 200 fisherman on this bar on Saturday, and all had no problems going through the trail and no "no trespassing/private property" signs were observed. Did the bar open or was it ever closed at all?
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That's because some flosser tore them down! I will make a call to see if the owner might have some cops sit at the trail head and bust you ignorant trespassers >:(
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perhaps cops gave up from being called all the time :) or owner is OK since nothing is being done for what appears to be since the opening...
That's because some flosser tore them down! I will make a call to see if the owner might have some cops sit at the trail head and bust you ignorant trespassers >:(
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No, I know the owner and he is getting fed up! They asked people not to trespass , they put up signs and they were torn down! You watch next year if there is one flossers will find it very hard to access any bar on hwy 7. They will have no one to blame but themselves for ignoring landowners private property.
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I've heard that there were like 200 fisherman on this bar on Saturday, and all had no problems going through the trail and no "no trespassing/private property" signs were observed. Did the bar open or was it ever closed at all?
Dude I don't know what trail your talking about but the NO TRESSPASSING SIGNS ARE CLEARLY VISIBLE!
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Bring back the pre 1992 regulations - you want to catch sockeye, go fish the salt chuck. End of the so called parking problem. (a certain Maple Leaf fan would probably love this ;D)
Haha you'll have to remind that certain Maple Leaf fan that he played a part in bringing in the opening of the sockeye fishery in the first place. Classic Pandora's Box.
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Bring back the pre 1992 regulations - you want to catch sockeye, go fish the salt chuck. End of the so called parking problem. (a certain Maple Leaf fan would probably love this ;D)
Haha you'll have to remind that certain Maple Leaf fan that he played a part in bringing in the opening of the sockeye fishery in the first place. Classic Pandora's Box.
We all make mistakes in life and it is not backing the Leafs. ;D I also wonder what make`s top anglers take part, do they need fish that bad they have to take them that way.
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Sorry Chris, I realize that nobody had any idea what a can of worms opening sockeye to sports anglers would open, in 1992 you couldn't even buy a bouncing betty and pretty well everybody out there flossing was using a float with a 6 ft leader and had to work at it to get a limit. Nobody had any idea what kind of devastation that this fishery would bring to the Fraser River. For 150 yrs pretty well every non native on this end of the river that wanted a sockeye bought it off the natives, I for one don't think that was that bad a system and would be quite happy if we went back to it.
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Sorry Chris, I realize that nobody had any idea what a can of worms opening sockeye to sports anglers would open, in 1992 you couldn't even buy a bouncing betty and pretty well everybody out there flossing was using a float with a 6 ft leader and had to work at it to get a limit. Nobody had any idea what kind of devastation that this fishery would bring to the Fraser River. For 150 yrs pretty well every non native on this end of the river that wanted a sockeye bought it off the natives, I for one don't think that was that bad a system and would be quite happy if we went back to it.
At least we most likely will not see another opening for 4 years.
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possible opening on late run like 2011.