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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: koifish on November 07, 2013, 08:30:31 PM

Title: is sepertine river tidal?
Post by: koifish on November 07, 2013, 08:30:31 PM
i wanna go out tmr i googled it but can not find is it tidal or fresh? thanks
Title: Re: is sepertine river tidal?
Post by: Sandman on November 07, 2013, 09:06:05 PM
i wanna go out tmr i googled it but can not find is it tidal or fresh? thanks

Don't google it, look in the regulations. http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/docs/1315/fishing_synopsis_2013-15_region2.pdf (http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/docs/1315/fishing_synopsis_2013-15_region2.pdf) Like most rivers, it is freshwater.  The tidal boundary is the BNR bridge near the mouth.
Title: Re: is sepertine river tidal?
Post by: Suther on November 07, 2013, 09:25:19 PM
i wanna go out tmr i googled it but can not find is it tidal or fresh? thanks

Only the Fraser below Mission is Tidal.

The only question after that is where is the tidal boundary on any river that outlets into the Fraser or ocean.
Title: Re: is sepertine river tidal?
Post by: Rodney on November 07, 2013, 09:27:40 PM
Only the Fraser below Mission is Tidal.

No. See http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tidal-maree/a-s29-eng.html where a list of tidal boundaries of rivers in the Lower Mainland and Sunshine Coast can be found on the bottom.
Title: Re: is sepertine river tidal?
Post by: Sandman on November 07, 2013, 09:57:32 PM
No. See http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tidal-maree/a-s29-eng.html where a list of tidal boundaries of rivers in the Lower Mainland and Sunshine Coast can be found on the bottom.

And with most of those rivers (Pitt excluded), the tidal boundary is a few hundred metres at most from the mouth of the river, 95% of the fishable length is non tidal. However, whether you use use the list in the freshwater regs or the the DFO list, either is a better source than google for determining what is tidal or not.  The Lower Pitt is tidal all the way to into the lake, yet the tidal boundary (and therefore the tidal regs) stop at the rail bridge 3km from the Fraser confluence.
Title: Re: is sepertine river tidal?
Post by: Suther on November 07, 2013, 10:05:13 PM
No. See http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tidal-maree/a-s29-eng.html where a list of tidal boundaries of rivers in the Lower Mainland and Sunshine Coast can be found on the bottom.

This is the more accurate answer... But none of these rivers listed can really be considered tidal, as the tidal sections are just whatever is downstream from the first major structure/crossing. Most are railway crossings, because the railways tend to run very close to the edge of the Fraser. The Squamish River is the only one that actually uses signs, and I expect that is because there is no major structure close enough to the river mouth. Signs have their drawbacks, mainly that people can remove them. Its pretty hard to remove a railway bridge...

None of these rivers have any amount of significant tidal waters, just their mouths where they hit the salt.
Title: Re: is sepertine river tidal?
Post by: Rodney on November 07, 2013, 10:09:09 PM
What?
Title: Re: is sepertine river tidal?
Post by: Suther on November 07, 2013, 10:10:42 PM
And with most of those rivers (Pitt excluded), the tidal boundary is a few hundred metres at most from the mouth of the river, 95% of the fishable length is non tidal. However, whether you use use the list in the freshwater regs or the the DFO list, either is a better source than google for determining what is tidal or not.  The Lower Pitt is tidal all the way to into the lake, yet the tidal boundary (and therefore the tidal regs) stop at the rail bridge 3km from the Fraser confluence.

Even with the Pitt, they call whatever the first major structure to draw a line across the river the end of tidal waters, when in fact Pitt Lake is considered a tidal lake (second biggest in the world I read somewhere?)
Title: Re: is sepertine river tidal?
Post by: Sandman on November 08, 2013, 12:18:38 AM
Even with the Pitt, they call whatever the first major structure to draw a line across the river the end of tidal waters, when in fact Pitt Lake is considered a tidal lake (second biggest in the world I read somewhere?)

Yes, that's what I said.
Title: Re: is sepertine river tidal?
Post by: Noahs Arc on November 08, 2013, 05:59:03 AM
What is a sepertine?
Title: Re: is sepertine river tidal?
Post by: MoeJKU on November 08, 2013, 10:22:00 AM
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tidal-maree/fraser-eng.html
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tidal-maree/a-s29-eng.html

Here is the map of the tidal water for the lower mainland.
Find out which one the serp look on the map and then go fish it.
Its always better to look yourself than take someones word for it.

But this is the tidal portion of the serp if you look at those pages
Serpentine River: Burlington Northern Railway Bridge.

So anywhere bellow the rail bridge will be tidal.
Title: Re: is sepertine river tidal?
Post by: Suther on November 08, 2013, 11:06:59 AM
And if I am not mistaken, the BNR bridge is this guy, straight across the mouth of the river...

https://maps.google.ca/?ll=49.082229,-122.857039&spn=0.009121,0.019677&t=h&z=16

Title: Re: is sepertine river tidal?
Post by: troutbreath on November 08, 2013, 03:34:25 PM
What is a sepertine?

I think he meant Suppertime River.
Title: Re: is sepertine river tidal?
Post by: RalphH on November 09, 2013, 11:03:54 PM
tidal effect extends well above the boundary and is a significant factor on those little rivers.
Title: Re: is sepertine river tidal?
Post by: KingOfEastVan on November 12, 2013, 05:14:16 AM
As a kid I remember dungeness crab getting stuck in the reeds at low tide where the Serpentine crosses King George. The tidal portion is shallow, muddy and flat, not a place fish care to hang out.