Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Long_Cast on September 17, 2013, 06:09:55 PM
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Spinning or baitcaster?
What do you prefer when fishing for pinks?
I like the ease of casting lures with spinning reels, but I hate dealing with the dreaded line twist.
Baitcaster reels are good since I don't have to worry too much about line twist, but I have to deal with birdsnest line issues.
And since most lures for pinks are heavy enough to cast with a baitcaster reel, I prefer baitcaster equipment.
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Fish type doesn't really have much to do with the choice of reel as much as the fishing conditions and types of terminal tackle.
If you have line twist you are not filling the spool with line properly
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I meant line twist as when reeling in the lure, especially when spinners.
I have never heard of a fisherman who used a spinning reel with a lure such as a spinner who did not have to deal with line twist at all.
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Do you tie your lures directly to the main line or use a snap swivel ?
I have never noticed any twist when using a snap swivel with spinners or lures
I would also lean to the side of the line not being put on the reel properly. if done right it shouldn't twist. Spinning reels need to be loaded a certain way especially if done by hand.
If you have them done by machine then they should be removing the spool from the reel to load it
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I have used lures with the snap swivels and the line would still twist, usually only when I used spinners and sometimes spoons when fishing with spinning reels. I could be casting surface lures such as floating Rapalas for hours, and not deal with line twist. Only once I use spinners, then the twist start to happen, not always really badly, but it would still take some work to untwist it.
As for loading fishing line, I prefer to load it with a pencil through the middle of the spool while between two heavy books such as White Pages or Yellow Pages. I always load it slowly, so I could easily detect any twisting, which usually never happens.
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I've never has an issue with the line twisting, but I also tie a barrel swivel to the main line, then attach a leader about 1ft long then down to the another swivel attached to a spoon or spinner. ever had any issues, but i use the double swivels because I like using flourocarbon leader.
I use a 7 ft med light spinning rod, with a smaller shimano spinning reel loaded with 8lb maxima ultragreen main line, and a short bit of 6lb leader on a barrel swivel to remove line twist. Its a fun set up that i can use in most river systems for pinks, and coho most the time.
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That's interesting that people aren't having much problems with line twisting....
Currently, I've been using an old school spinning reel with no line twist prevention roller technology near the bail.
Before, I've been using a Shimano Symetre which I sold the reel to a member on here (10 years ago) and that reel had a lot less twisting issues with lures.
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is that how you load your spinning reels or baitcasters ?
the way I was taught to load spinning reels to prevent line twist as the line is put on was to lay the line spool flat on the floor (label up). run the line through the very bottom eye (or bottom two if your bottom section has two) and then onto the reel. Reel in the line from a distance 2-3 feet directly above the line spool and just fill it, hold tension with a couple fingers along the rod above the reel, don't go crazy fast because you want the line to come off the spool properly without the spool moving.
I load my spinning reels by hand doing this and have not dealt with line twist since. If you go directly in a straight line you end up adding twist from the line spool onto the reel spool making line twist actually worse. Going directly only works if you remove the spool from the reel and lay it on its side (like a levelwind spool would sit) and then fill it. this is what they should do at the shop when they use the machine
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i have ran into problems with swivels not working propor causing line twist. If you use your gear in salt water it often effect it over time, causing line twist.. Good idea to get new swivels every season.
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I never even thought people would re-use snap swivels after salt use. I check mine before each outing if i'm lure fishing, if they are not moving properly I toss them. I do the same with swivels when drift fishing as well
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I only fish for Pinks with a fly rod. But, I'm not above fishing gear when there isn't any other practical means. A lot depends on the water depth. Traditionally, Pink salmon are shallow running species and seem to prefer small lures to big ones. That means you need a reel that will cast light lures easier. Spinning reels can cast far lighter lures than level wind reels or center-pin reels. Pinks seldom exceed 10 pounds and are more likely to be between 2 and 4 pounds. That means light tackle is suitable for landing them. I always go for the best reels that I can afford. I have less problems that way.
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I meant line twist as when reeling in the lure, especially when spinners.
I have never heard of a fisherman who used a spinning reel with a lure such as a spinner who did not have to deal with line twist at all.
I haven't had issues with line twist that I can remember. Use new line. I think if you use older lines that may happen.
I never keep one spinner on my line for too long, generally change them out frequently and that may have something to do with it as well.
You can also you a barrel swivel with a leader to your spinner. I only really use Blue fox spinners and spinners may have something to do with it as well.
One season I was whacking cohos exclusively with a spinning gear and blue foxes. I don't recall line twist. Maybe your line is too thin.
Also make sure you spool your line onto the reel correctly.
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Good quality barrel swivel or bead-chain swivel.
Line twist is something that can happen even if you have the best swivel etc.
You can untwist your line by paying it out with nothing attached at the end and take it for a boat ride.
Wind back on and good to go.
Not sure how to do it on land as ive never had bad enough twist casting from the beach.
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Never encounter any line twist with my spinning reel.
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If I'm not fly fishing then i use my ultra light spinning combo which is a tiny abu garcia on a 5'5" ultra light rod....it bombs the lightest lures out there a mile and this way I am fishing longer as well as having even more fun when I do catch a fish, and I'm not under-gunned at all btw.
I will point out that I only use this set up when fishing the tidal portion as the non tidal has too much current where i like to fish and the ultra light would be too small
What I don't understand is seeing fellas fishing their 10'6' baitcasting sticks for pinks, I mean if that's all you have then fine, no problem , but if you have a small spinning rod I personally find them the "go to" for pink fishing if your a gear guy.
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Line twist with a spinning reel happens when the angler keeps reeling when the fish is taking out line. I've seen that happen many times. When the fish runs then ONLY rely on the drag system. DON'T TIGHTEN A DRAG TOO MUCH ON A SPINNING REEL! It can cause problems.
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I find my line twists on the spin reel after I tried to free it from different snags too many times. The line stretches a bit and doesn't work properly anymore. If I keep casting without any snags, then the line never twists.
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Line twist with a spinning reel happens when the angler keeps reeling when the fish is taking out line. I've seen that happen many times. When the fish runs then ONLY rely on the drag system. DON'T TIGHTEN A DRAG TOO MUCH ON A SPINNING REEL! It can cause problems.
There you go, that could be a newbie kind of disease.
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As mentioned before, proper line loading is very important to prevent line twisting. Depending on the direction your bail turns you might have to lay the line spool on the floor with the label facing up or down. After several turns, if you notice line twist turn the spool over and continue loading. Putting your spool on a pencil to load your line like you would do for a bait caster or c-pin is not a good idea as it would likely cause line twist.
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Only baitcast for me any type of fishing. spinning rods are ok for kids trout fishing of a dock to help cast. Bait cast in my opinion is way better for drift fishing, and i find the low profile reels great for chucking spoons, same with bass gear.
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OMG, I have caught many, many pinks and coho off of my spinning reel. Things to remember are to wind the line on correctly. And for me, the use of braided fishing line has helped out immensely. The big advantage of a spinning reel is the ability to cast out small lures and spinners. Baitcaster can do it, but it requires much more finesse.
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I use a little Shimano Sedona 1500. Even with that I have the reel half mostly full of backing and only have the top third or so spooled with mono. Why keeping changing the bottom 2/3 that you never use anyways?
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Cabella's Pro - Guide Spinning reel - 40 bucks on sale.
(http://www.cabelas.ca/content/filemanager/Products/000000000000048036/detail/124349.jpg)
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I use a Shimano R4000 reel.
Excellent reel - has the drag adjustment on the bottom of the reel so it doesn't get in the way while playing a fish.
Also automatically stops at the right point to have the line against the rod for proper tension while casting.
Has a "trigger cast" mechanism but I don't use it.
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Over my years of salmon/steelhead fishing, I have sent many reels to their early grave.
Relentless cast and retrieve plus strength of the quarry does put a lot of strain on any reel, no matter how well they might be made.
Lately, bait casters or spinning reels I bought had been from Shimano as I have found them to be more reliable than other name brand reels from my personal experience. Something like a Shimano Sahara is a good value for money if you are looking for a spinning reel.
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I use the Penn 6000 reel. I caught many pinks, coho and Chinook on this. I've had it for 4 years now and never had a problem with it!
(http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/9j7vu.jw4f2/v/vspfiles/photos/Penn-FierceSpin-2.jpg?1371050611)
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Something like a Shimano Sahara is a good value for money if you are looking for a spinning reel.
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