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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: transition on August 27, 2013, 12:15:20 PM
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hey annyone knoww when thee fraser river will open for pink salmon? every where i look just says closed untill further notice >:(
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i believe their is a meeting today. crossing my fingers.
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Hopefully for the long weekend 8)
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That was a deceptive title.. I was excited, then sad, then angry..
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run size increased from 10 to 14 million fraser pinks. might open long weekend in tidal fraser my opinion.
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i hope your right
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When will they tell us the meeting results ???? Can't wait fingers crossed 10-14 million pinks ???? Holy Jesus lol
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Where do you find the reports?
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=search_options&lang=en&id=recreational
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I don't think it will be any time soon as thompson river sockeye are still running in sept. they are later than other runs. So depending on how many fish have already made their way to that water.. id have a fair guess at 15th or later in sept.
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=153440&ID=recreational
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There is absolutely no reason the sporties can't be fishing for pinks right now or bar fishing for chinook. I've watched this BS every year since it started in the 90s. Uninformed and uneducated decisions made based on irrelevant policy and set in place to please 1 particular minority group. Its all politics....always has been always will be. Anyone who believes different has their head in the sand.
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I agree very frustrated with the no fishing for pinks policy
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Long weekends is coming up. My only opportunity to fish!! Can we even catch and release???
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Havent seen the notice yet but the rumor is that natives have been opend to net again, like today. Hate to spread propaganda but thats the word.
I want some of my license fee back or Im gonna say Im not fishing I'm gathering fish. Another crazy loophole
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x 2. I want my license fee back too, at least discount it for missing the tidal Fraser fishing portion because it is one major reason people buy a tidal license this year. ;D
All these closures on sporties while allowing nets in the river or the ocean risking more sockeye mortality in bycatch just tell us this whole thing is for politic more so than for the fish and the sporties are the scapegoat. Now that we are all off the river, the poachers and their nets will be much harder to detect by DFO. Don't you think by us reporting and shutting down the poachers, we will collectively save more precious sockeye than the very rare occurrence that your pink lure will catch a sockeye and it will not survive the brief fight without losing any blood? What actually are the true reasons these DFO honchoes are basing their closures on?
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Long weekends is coming up. My only opportunity to fish!! Can we even catch and release???
No, the current closure in the Lower and Mid Fraser River is for all salmon fishing, not just salmon retention, therefore you cannot target, catch and release salmon.
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No, the current closure in the Lower and Mid Fraser River is for all salmon fishing, not just salmon retention, therefore you cannot target, catch and release salmon.
you can target pikeminnow and release pink salmon bycatch duh
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x 2. I want my license fee back too, at least discount it for missing the tidal Fraser fishing portion because it is one major reason people buy a tidal license this year. ;D
All these closures on sporties while allowing nets in the river or the ocean risking more sockeye mortality in bycatch just tell us this whole thing is for politic more so than for the fish and the sporties are the scapegoat. Now that we are all off the river, the poachers and their nets will be much harder to detect by DFO. Don't you think by us reporting and shutting down the poachers, we will collectively save more precious sockeye than the very rare occurrence that your pink lure will catch a sockeye and it will not survive the brief fight without losing any blood? What actually are the true reasons these DFO honchoes are basing their closures on?
yeah complete BS... I'm suing DFO to get my license fee back
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you can target pikeminnow and release pink salmon bycatch duh
If you are using gear for salmon to "target" northern pikeminnow, but catching and releasing pink salmon at the same time, then officers will conclude that you are targeting pink salmon. It is indeed a grey area, but fishery officers will use their judgement to determine your intent. If it breaks the current regulations, then you will be fined. If you feel the risk is low by putting yourself in that situation. Go ahead. Personally I prefer to not waste enforcement's time so they can focus on the bigger issues.
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If you are using gear for salmon to "target" northern pikeminnow, but catching and releasing pink salmon at the same time, then officers will conclude that you are targeting pink salmon. It is indeed a grey area, but fishery officers will use their judgement to determine your intent. If it breaks the current regulations, then you will be fined. If you feel the risk is low by putting yourself in that situation. Go ahead. Personally I prefer to not waste enforcement's time so they can focus on the bigger issues.
I was being a bit facetious, but in reality both fish are usually targetted with lighter set-ups. I'm not saying purposefully target pinks but if one was to take advantage of the pikeminnow fishery and doesn't live near Garry Point park in Richmond, then what other option is there?
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I don't understand why everyone is complaining there is still so many opportunities for pinks out there. The fraser is one of the options. I don't know about you i want to have fish for my grandkids to fish. And their are enough pinks coming up. however their is still a lot of sockeye going up the river, which are at a low. There is a lot of factors that go into this, for now find another river lots are holding pinks, or go to the beaches fish for pinks what ever it takes.
As far as i know the natives are not aloud to net. but if you have a resource saying otherwise post it up.
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Tell that too the same guys i see fishing the pullout near tilbury everyday. Yea they are targeting pike minnow :)
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"Redekopp noted that there could soon be an opening for pink salmon."
http://www.mapleridgenews.com/news/221402291.html
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good to see theyre really making an effort to enforce the regs
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Yea I called again and got an answering machine, So I left a message to send someone to the pull out on River rd just before Tilbury !
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I was being a bit facetious, but in reality both fish are usually targetted with lighter set-ups. I'm not saying purposefully target pinks but if one was to take advantage of the pikeminnow fishery and doesn't live near Garry Point park in Richmond, then what other option is there?
Try any of the tribs of the Fraser that have Pink runs.
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I believe they met today and decided to keep the same restrictions in place. http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=153440&ID=all
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The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Thursday,
August 29, 2013.
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You can also legally fish for steelhead in either tidal or non tidal portions.
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Saw a number of boats netting the Richmond south arm late this afternoon. Looked like a native opening.
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nothing open so report it, the dfo has the power right now as its closed to everyone. once there is a partial opening it becomes so much harder for them to enforce.
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There are openings.
hotrod
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There are openings.
hotrod
8) Just wait for the briefing 8) ;D ;D
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there going for springs and pinks in certain areas
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CeremonialOpeningTimes.html
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/fraser/abor-autoc-eng.html
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I heard through the grape vine that the Opening was infact a first nations fishary, limited too 2 boats, fishing chinook only.
I also heard that the reason they are holding off on the rec opening of the fraser is the ammount of people that have been caught and charged, fishing both by boat and shore retaining salmon with the river closed.
If that is true, It would make sence that they are using this trying to teach people a lesson, and in turn punishing the rest of us that are being good, and driving to the sqaumish, and going elsewere.
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there going for springs and pinks in certain areas
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CeremonialOpeningTimes.html
http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/fraser/abor-autoc-eng.html
DFO makes no sense at all !!!
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keep in mind that its a chinook only opening so they would be using a larger mesh net which would allow sockeye to go right thru it and only catch chinooks.
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keep in mind that its a chinook only opening so they would be using a larger mesh net which would allow sockeye to go right thru it and only catch chinooks.
It would allow some sockeye to go right through it. It is the difference of 1 inch. You are still going to catch some sockeye. Especially drift netting. It doesn't matter the size of the fish if they hit the net just right moving fast enough. They will be so tangled they don't have a chance. If it was set nets I would feel better because it isn't often the fish will be travelling fast enough but move the net at the same time....
Bad call by DFO IMHO
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If you look at Communal times, there is a lot of dip netting that is/was open. This I have no problem with because it truly is a selective fishery. You bring up a sockeye in the dip net and throw it right back with very little harm to the fish.
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes.html (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes.html)
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If you look at Communal times, there is a lot of dip netting that is/was open. This I have no problem with because it truly is a selective fishery. You bring up a sockeye in the dip net and throw it right back with very little harm to the fish.
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes.html (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes.html)
WTF? I thought the Fraser was closed?...truly a selective fishery...and recreational fisherman were not selected LOL
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I just went of Berry's website and they are reporting the river opening tomorrow in the lower and the upper on Saturday but I can't find it reported anywhere else.
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Yahoo! Bye bye Sea to Sky Highway!
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There should be a protest rally by sporties about these latest series of opening and the media should report on such reckless mis-management and unfairness of the Fraser fishery. The natives have already taken 92,000 sockeye (only the reported number). Isn't that enough already? The sporties have zero sockeye and many with zero springs not to say zero Fraser pinks. DFO is a total hypocrite and sporties will be losing respect of this institution if they don't act responsibly. They told us we should stay off the Fraser so our low, low impact on sockeye mortality as a bycatch can be avoided, because they want zero impact and need to have every sockeye make it back to spawning ground. We believe them and comply. Then they turn around opening the Fraser to nets after nets... I am speechless. If they truly care about the fish, they should stop all fishing, particularly nets. No bycatch fatality is acceptable, not when they think our crude way of fishing with 1 line and 1 hook with such a low mortality can harm the brood stock enough to take us all out of the Fraser.
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Politically you will never see a Recreational opening without a First Nations opening. I would bet if you asked the DFO off the record they could open recreational fishery in the lower without hurting stock but politically would have to open FN. So here we sit.
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I just went of Berry's website and they are reporting the river opening tomorrow in the lower and the upper on Saturday but I can't find it reported anywhere else.
There are no fishery notices which suggest the Fraser River in Region 2 and 3 will open on Saturday yet. Until then, the river remains closed until further notice.
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Someone should tell Berry. lol
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On a related note, Fisheries and Oceans Canada has just extended the pink salmon fishery for both Howe Sound and Squamish River.
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=153464&ID=recreational
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=153468&ID=recreational
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Why can't they at least open the pink fishery for C&R or at the very least fly-only? This wouldn't impact the Sockeye as by catch is very unlikely when fly fishing.
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Might be because it's easier to tell everyone (including the native fishery) to stop fishing on the Fraser and enforce rules then to pick and choose various groups.
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Speculation is all it seems. They have another meeting today and they should have their results at around 4:00pm. So who knows, i would only suspect if they were to open anything it would be tidal. I couldn't see them opening past mission yet.
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I understand that tackle shops get informed or "consulted" prior to openings.
Called Berry's and they confirm DFO is opening the river on Friday.
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Berrys is definitely reporting an opening for tomorrow in the Lower and Sat. in the Upper. Pinks only.
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There should be a protest rally by sporties about these latest series of opening and the media should report on such reckless mis-management and unfairness of the Fraser fishery. The natives have already taken 92,000 sockeye (only the reported number). Isn't that enough already? The sporties have zero sockeye and many with zero springs not to say zero Fraser pinks. DFO is a total hypocrite and sporties will be losing respect of this institution if they don't act responsibly. They told us we should stay off the Fraser so our low, low impact on sockeye mortality as a bycatch can be avoided, because they want zero impact and need to have every sockeye make it back to spawning ground. We believe them and comply. Then they turn around opening the Fraser to nets after nets... I am speechless. If they truly care about the fish, they should stop all fishing, particularly nets. No bycatch fatality is acceptable, not when they think our crude way of fishing with 1 line and 1 hook with such a low mortality can harm the brood stock enough to take us all out of the Fraser.
The silent and well beaten into submission majority wouldn't stand up in enough mass to make this a reality. There are too many people who just take what the gov't says that they won't ever lose respect for the DFO because they are just lapdogs begging for just a little attention or a little scrap off the table and as long as a tiny scrap comes down every once in a while, they will wag their tail and roll over and do whatever is asked of them.
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http://www.berrysbait.com/
Front and centre.
Edit to say just because berrys says it's ok doesn't mean it's legal!!
Double check the regs tomorrow first.
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Berrys is definitely reporting an opening for tomorrow in the Lower and Sat. in the Upper. Pinks only.
Maybe they're saying that to get rid of all the pink buzz bombs they over ordered and didn't sell this season!?!?
A lot of native openings start on 1st Sep. my guess is they open it for sporties on the same day.
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Maybe they're saying that to get rid of all the pink buzz bombs they over ordered and didn't sell this season!?!?
lolz
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http://www.berrysbait.com/
Front and centre.
Edit to say just because berrys says it's ok doesn't mean it's legal!!
Double check the regs tomorrow first.
They shouldn't be advertising this.
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I know right?
Talk about all in.
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My recommendation to all is to check back here or directly on this page (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=search_options&lang=en&id=recreational) for fishery notices that indicate an opening has been issued before heading out this weekend. The last thing you want to do is to be fishing and thinking that the river is open when in fact it is not. This is not saying it will not open this weekend, but you should always rely on fishery notices from Fisheries and Oceans Canada for official words.
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Hopefully this rain won't affect the visibility of the Fraser too much, assuming there is an opening of course. ;D
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Run size of pinks now 16 million. lets get at them.
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Ain't going to happen!!! :-[
Notice just out no opening until at least Sept 3, 2013, the next Fraser River Panel meeting
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Berry's Bait and Tackle are posting on the website
FRASER RIVER OPENS FRIDAY AUG, 30TH!
IN THE TIDAL PORTION OF THE FRASER , AND ON THE 31ST IN THE NON -TIDAL PORTION OF THE RIVER..
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As a result of significant increases in Fraser pink sun size during this week
pink directed fishing opportunities with non-retention of sockeye are planned
in some areas. The Department is planning any fishery openings with a cautious
approach to minimize additional impacts on Fraser River sockeye. The
Department's priorities are to ensure that there is sufficient sockeye
returning to the spawning grounds and all fisheries are being managed to
minimize sockeye impacts. Fishers are requested to check for any restrictions
in their local areas.
FISHING OPPORTUNIES ARE PLANNED IN SOME AREAS,SO WAIT FOR MORE NOTICES TODAY OR TOMOROW NOT GIVING UP YET FOR THIS WEEKEND,
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Still stupid of them to advertise it open when no official notice is out !
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Openings are being planned. There should be fishery notices issued tomorrow. Until then, all salmon fishing remains closed.
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Still stupid of them to advertise it open when no official notice is out !
It's been there since at LEAST 10 AM. Unethical to try to drive their sales like that. I for one will NOT EVER go there again!
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^^ i was thinking the same thing... trying to move some of the pink gear they stocked up on ;D
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I have no problems with their sales tactic in this case. You've gotta do what you gotta do to pay your bills. It seems like the wheel is in motion to make what they posted to be true anyways.
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Very irresponsible at least. Its not unreasonable to expect the local tackle store to know the regs and openings so to put it on the front page like that, they better be darn sure its accurate. I wonder what they are actually telling people in the store …
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My buddy placed a phone call to sea run tackle as well and they said it was going to open so berry's wasn't the only one. It's just berry's advertised it on their website. As for trusting them, I think they had a source and jumped to conclusions unfortunately. However they aren't not the first tackle shop to post false info to drive up sales, heck Freds does it all the time but just not regulation based.
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these guys seem to think its opening tomorrow..
http://www.richmondreview.com/news/221720801.html
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Don't get caught up in all the talk etc.
Watch for announcements from the DFO, they apparently have the say to open it or not.
Keep on checking their site.
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I have no problems with their sales tactic in this case. You've gotta do what you gotta do to pay your bills. It seems like the wheel is in motion to make what they posted to be true anyways.
Then I've got a bridge to sell you - brand new and generates tolls for your pleasure income - heck, I gotta do what I gotta do to pay bills ::) :P
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Has been changed to a more appropriate announcement, check dfo website for updates.
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As a result of significant increases in Fraser pink sun size during this week
pink directed fishing opportunities with non-retention of sockeye are planned
in some areas.
If the river is shut down to protect sockeye, shouldn't the pink run size be completely irrelevant in terms of allowing an opening?
I agree there is way too much politics based in these opening/non opening decisions. It's a shame west coast salmon stocks are and have been completely mismanaged. It's far too easy for them to just shut down recreational fisheries instead of dealing with real problems such as habitat degredation, pollution, ocean factors, fish farms etc... in the end recreational fishers will be the ones to suffer when other factors will continue to be the real cause to salmon's decline.
It may be a stretch but I can't help feeling salmon are being deliberately mismanaged.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/08/29/bc-sockeye-fraser-return-numbers.html
No notices yet, but CBC is paraphrasing a DFO Regional Salmon Manager:
"He said a recreational fishery allowing the retention of pink, chinook and chum will also take place in the tidal portion of the Fraser River below Mission, B.C., but above the city the fishery will allow the retention only of pink and chum."
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I can't help feeling salmon are being deliberately mismanaged.
Salmon don't need to be managed. It's the humans that want to sell and eat them that need to be managed.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/08/29/bc-sockeye-fraser-return-numbers.html
No notices yet, but CBC is paraphrasing a DFO Regional Salmon Manager:
"He said a recreational fishery allowing the retention of pink, chinook and chum will also take place in the tidal portion of the Fraser River below Mission, B.C., but above the city the fishery will allow the retention only of pink and chum."
a quote from CBC does not law make!
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a quote from CBC does not law make!
No kidding. Mr. Obvious. ::)
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(http://cdn.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/pleaseopen.jpg)
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From Jason Tonelli and the crew at Pacific Angler in their weekly Friday Fishing Report:
"Bryce and I (JT) were on the phone with DFO yesterday and they were literally working on the paperwork to open up the Fraser to fishing for pink salmon today [Friday]."
Still nothing - but keep your eyes peeled!
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DFO just announced an opening for Tidal Fraser
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DFO is very aware that people prfer to fish for pinks on warm, sunny days I'm pretty sure when the clouds they will open up pinks.
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Its official! DFO released the fishery notice! boooya
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Its official! DFO released the fishery notice! boooya
See. They checked the weather supposed to be nice later on today.
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Boom. Let the games begin!
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=153536&ID=recreational
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Finally! Man, the Fraser is gonna be packed this weekend.
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The race is on!
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Of course the weekend it opens, i'm away! Boo! Oh well, ima hit it all next week!
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Now Berry's is going to be hung out to dry.
I guess that's why I saw a guy fishing the Fraser at River Road.
It's Berry's fault ::)
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For those too lazy to click the link:
The recreational fishery for salmon in the tidal waters of the Fraser River
will open immediately with the species limits and size limits noted below.
The Department is planning fishery openings for more abundant pink, chinook and
chum salmon, with a cautious approach to minimize additional impacts on Fraser
River sockeye. The Department's priorities are to ensure that there is
sufficient sockeye returning to the spawning grounds, and all fisheries are
being managed to minimize sockeye impacts and provide priority access to First
Nations' fishing for food, social and ceremonial purposes.
Anglers fishing for salmon in the Fraser River are required to take every
measure possible to ensure that their fishing activities avoid impacts on
sockeye salmon. Any sockeye encountered must be released with the least
possible harm. Survival rates of sockeye released in this fishery are
expected to be high. The Department is continuing to monitor the Fraser River
to ensure compliance.
Sockeye:
The regulation prohibiting fishing for sockeye will remain in effect until
further notice.
Chinook:
Effective immediately, until 23:59 hours, Saturday, August 31, 2013 the daily
limit for wild or hatchery-marked chinook salmon is four (4) per day only one
of which can be greater than 50 cm.
Effective 00:01 hours Sunday, September 1, 2013 until 23:59 hours, Tuesday,
December 31, 2013 the daily limit for wild or hatchery marked chinook salmon is
four (4) per day only one of which can be greater than 62 cm.
Coho:
No retention of coho is permitted effective immediately until 23:59 Friday,
October 4, 2013.
The use of bait and fishing for coho is prohibited from 00:01 Tuesday,
September 3, 2013 to 23:59 Friday, October 4, 2013.
Effective 00:01 hours Saturday, October 5, 2013 until 23:59 hours Tuesday,
December 31, 2013 the daily limit is two (2) hatchery-marked coho.
A hatchery-marked coho is a coho salmon with a healed scar in place of the
adipose fin.
Pink:
Effective immediately, until 23:59 hours Tuesday, December 31, 2013 the daily
limit is four (4) pink salmon per day. There is a minimum size limit for pink
salmon of 30 cm.
Chum:
Effective immediately, until 23:59 hours Tuesday, December 31, 2013 the daily
limit is four (4) chum salmon per day. There is a minimum size limit for chum
salmon of 30 cm.
Sport Fishing Advisory Board representatives have been consulted on these
measures.
Variations Orders: 2013-414, 2013-415, 2013-416 and 2013-417
Notes:
The aggregate daily limit for all species of Pacific Salmon (other than
kokanee) from tidal and non-tidal waters combined is four (4).
Barbless hooks are required when fishing for salmon in tidal and non-tidal
waters of British Columbia. This includes all species of fish in the Fraser
River.
Sport anglers and guides are reminded to label and submit heads from adipose
fin-clipped (hatchery-marked) Chinook and Coho salmon to the Salmon Head
Recovery Program. Recovery of coded-wire tags from recreational fishers
provides critical information for coast-wide stock assessment. For more
information and locations of Depots contact the Salmon Sport Head Recovery
Program at (866) 483-9994 or visit the following site: http://www.pac.dfo-
mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tag-etiquette/prize-prix-eng.htm
Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation? If so, please call
the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line
at (800) 465-4336.
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Let the fun begin
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Unless I'm looking at the wrong spot, the counts for pinks right now in the Fraser is still pretty low, is it not? I mean, they're in there, but I suspect the fishing for them won't really hit up for another week or so?
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Let the games begin :) :) :)
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Now that the fishery has reopened, we'll continue the discussion at:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=33431.0
so new anglers can see the fish ID information.