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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: mastercaster on December 31, 2012, 03:34:27 PM
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Just a little heads up if you're planning on fishing the Vedder tomorrow morning. Not trying to tell anyone where to fish but there will be 40-45 guys armed with two handed flyrods fishing in the area of the train bridge so it might not be a bad idea to avoid the area..... unless you choose to wear your hardhart to protect yourself against 5" intruders whizzing over your heads!
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Now you've done it Brent! A bunch of bait pigs are probably going to anchor themselves in hip deep water from the head to the tail of that run at 4am regardless how cold the water is just to tickle you swingers. ;D
Have fun! The weather should be great for it. :)
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Hell yeah! Nothing beats corking fly guys especially the ones with "I'm better than thou Gear Fisherman" attitudes!
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I know you posted this out of respect Brent, lets just hope it doesn't bite you and the guys in the butt tomorrow as there's still the odd moron out there who thinks the above quote is actually true. ::)
Hopefully some gear guys will stop by and see what a good time it is and maybe even learn how to cast a rod or two as I know the boys are more than willing to show a newcomer the way to becoming a broke addict. ;D
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sounds like a hoot.may come by and learn a thing or two
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Could be a ruse or facade to draw away fisherman from where they are really are going.
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Hell yeah! Nothing beats corking fly guys especially the ones with "I'm better than thou Gear Fisherman" attitudes!
I'll assume you're joking but whether you're chucking a spoon, guts, or a fly..... river etiquette is river etiquette. From what I experienced yesterday it does not exist on the Vedder.
I not only got low holed once on every run I fished yesterday but 2 and 3 times on each run and twice at different times of the day the guy who dropped in below me hooked a fish. I've given up making a fuss about it . I just shake my head in wonder...... although, if it's a new to stleelhead fisherman I'll try to educate them in a way that won't affend them and 9 out of 10 times they thank you for the heads up.
Even when I gear fish, and I still do from time to time, I still look to see what the guy at the top of the run is doing. If he's got his butt anchored to a rock and he tells me after asking that he's not working his way down the run I'll drop in below him. If, on the other hand, he's moving I wouldn't think for a moment it's my god given right to fish anywhere I wanted to.....meaning below him. The last thing I need is to have my father turn over in his grave for something like that, which undoubtedly he would do. :D
For those interested in popping down, as mentioned, there are always some rods to try or just spend some time around the fire BS'ing. It's all good~
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I'll assume you're joking but whether you're chucking a spoon, guts, or a fly..... river etiquette is river etiquette. From what I experienced yesterday it does not exist on the Vedder.
I not only got low holed once on every run I fished yesterday but 2 and 3 times on each run and twice at different times of the day the guy who dropped in below me hooked a fish. I've given up making a fuss about it . I just shake my head in wonder...... although, if it's a new to stleelhead fisherman I'll try to educate them in a way that won't affend them and 9 out of 10 times they thank you for the heads up.
Even when I gear fish, and I still do from time to time, I still look to see what the guy at the top of the run is doing. If he's got his butt anchored to a rock and he tells me after asking that he's not working his way down the run I'll drop in below him. If, on the other hand, he's moving I wouldn't think for a moment it's my god given right to fish anywhere I wanted to.....meaning below him. The last thing I need is to have my father turn over in his grave for something like that, which undoubtedly he would do. :D
For those interested in popping down, as mentioned, there are always some rods to try or just spend some time around the fire BS'ing. It's all good~
Good post Brent and so right, etiquette and manners are sadly lacking on the Vedder these days. Good luck with your outing :)
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left the river today at dusk, lots of young kids heading to the train bridge to party, expect a lot of garbage, maybe bring a box of garbage bags and do a clean up while your there. Its early in the season and its already looking pretty disgusting. Everybody likes Tim Hortons but does it hurt that bad to put the empty cup in the trash or better yet recycle it? Might swing buy for a swing.
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bar fishin what ;D
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I have yet to see any etiquette this steelhead season.
For the last week i have been out before sun up. got my excellent spot just to have 4-5 guys wander in and fish side to side of me.
I have been pushed out of many runs because im solo out there and they come in groups.
There have been a few long leader men bottom bouncing with 10+ ft leaders as well
and Several people fishing with large barbed hooks...
With that being said I have still connected with fish.. just never around the group of intruders..
I tend to let them push fish to the edges of the run and pick them up with a far cast.
Only been into 3 fish and lost one large buck but I would like to see more fisherman accept the loss when there is someone in the spot already. especially when they show up just after first light and I have been there for 45 min...
Im starting to think there is no good reason to get up early anymore. ill just waltz down in where I please...
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I have yet to see any etiquette this steelhead season.
For the last week i have been out before sun up. got my excellent spot just to have 4-5 guys wander in and fish side to side of me.
I have been pushed out of many runs because im solo out there and they come in groups.
There have been a few long leader men bottom bouncing with 10+ ft leaders as well
and Several people fishing with large barbed hooks...
With that being said I have still connected with fish.. just never around the group of intruders..
I tend to let them push fish to the edges of the run and pick them up with a far cast.
Only been into 3 fish and lost one large buck but I would like to see more fisherman accept the loss when there is someone in the spot already. especially when they show up just after first light and I have been there for 45 min...
Im starting to think there is no good reason to get up early anymore. ill just waltz down in where I please...
It's really upsetting when this happens. This is my second year steelheading and the very fist thing I did was learn the proper way of the river. It just makes fishing a whole lot better when you can get along and fish with guys I have never met. Also what is it with people running to ther spot or back up to the top of a run? Drives me nuts!
Happy new year to all and best of luck!
Nano
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Where are you guys fishing??? Try moving around to the less populated spots that's where all the guys with etiquette are hiding...
I'm yet to fish the same run with more than 1 guy on it this year.
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I have yet to see any etiquette this steelhead season.
For the last week i have been out before sun up. got my excellent spot just to have 4-5 guys wander in and fish side to side of me.
I have been pushed out of many runs because im solo out there and they come in groups.
There have been a few long leader men bottom bouncing with 10+ ft leaders as well
and Several people fishing with large barbed hooks...
With that being said I have still connected with fish.. just never around the group of intruders..
I tend to let them push fish to the edges of the run and pick them up with a far cast.
Only been into 3 fish and lost one large buck but I would like to see more fisherman accept the loss when there is someone in the spot already. especially when they show up just after first light and I have been there for 45 min...
Im starting to think there is no good reason to get up early anymore. ill just waltz down in where I please...
No kidding no one seems to know the proper etiquette on the river. I had the same thing happen. Arrive before first light and get in line above a guy who arrived just before me. As light finally arrives we begin to work from the top of the run down, then 3 guys wander in near the bottom of the run and tail out and proceed to fence post. They can clearly see us working down but jump ahead anyways. Brutal. I've been low holed pretty much every outting this season. And sad to say I've run into bottom bouncers and as well.
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Upper river, I find it happens a lot after 10 when people move up the river.
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I have covered all spots, very unpopulated. yet people just waltz in. hike in spots mid riv up river and avoided parking lot fishin for the most part. There are some nice fellas out there. but there are groups of others who just don't care.
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I have yet to see any etiquette this steelhead season.
For the last week i have been out before sun up. got my excellent spot just to have 4-5 guys wander in and fish side to side of me.
I have been pushed out of many runs because im solo out there and they come in groups.
There have been a few long leader men bottom bouncing with 10+ ft leaders as well
and Several people fishing with large barbed hooks...
With that being said I have still connected with fish.. just never around the group of intruders..
I tend to let them push fish to the edges of the run and pick them up with a far cast.
Only been into 3 fish and lost one large buck but I would like to see more fisherman accept the loss when there is someone in the spot already. especially when they show up just after first light and I have been there for 45 min...
Im starting to think there is no good reason to get up early anymore. ill just waltz down in where I please...
I've started arriving just after first light with several locations in mind, and just pick the spot with no vehicles. This way you are guaranteed at least a few casts without interuption in prime water.
This steelhead season I have seen 0 to 1 or 2 vehicles at a given spot one day, to half a dozen+ the next. This may be due to fish being caught, but I'm sure there is a % of anglers that fish a spot because there are other vehicles, not despite the fact there are other vehicles.
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Etiquette is right out the door I'm the last 5 years , fishing in the lml is just a joke. There needs to be licences for each river I'd gladly pay another $200 per river no problem or even a lottery system like Europe. What really blows me away is how people stand in one place all day. Show 1 fish my bait 100 times or show 100 fish my bait once ...... there is a better way then what it has become, educating the users of the resource to respect it and protect it
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Ah, the same discussion every yr. People its the Vedder! Do not expect any kind of respect or river ettiquette from anyone. Its every man for himself. I would not line up anywhere before first light. You will be crowded out.Fish less traveled spots and keep your feet moving.Go around the fence posters.If i see too many cars parked in a spot i want too fish,i keep driving till i find a spot with fewer viehicles,(sometimes hard to find a quieter spot).Go midmorning,alot of the early birds are leaving for the day or late day when others have to be home for Din Din with the wife and kids.Dont worry,big crowds always during the Xmas holidays,as the season wears on,the crowds will thin out. I dont even think about fishing it till after the New year starts.Enjoy reading about it though. ;D
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When the synopsis states that rotational angling is not applicable to all waters and conditions, that would mean that being low holed or fence posting is perfectly ok. Hey if someone is always in the same spots, there is usually good reasons for it. Besides think of all the fish he is leaving for you to find, chances are he is not going to care if you fish right past him. As for being low holed sometimes they could be new to steelheading, or perhaps they know exactly what is up and want to be first to fish the prime spots of a run. Again until they change the rules learn to accept it, you can try to go find some quite runs to fish :D . But expect company because i am sure there are some guys that stop just because there is a car there.
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Ah, the same discussion every yr.
Yep...
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=29787.0
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Ah, the same discussion every yr. People its the Vedder! Do not expect any kind of respect or river ettiquette from anyone. Its every man for himself.
It's extremely unfortunate that it has to be this way! If I ever had a visiting angler from another country and mistakenly took him to the Vedder and he had to witness what was going on I'd be totally embarrassed for our province/country! I GUARANTEE you'd wouldn't see this anywhere else in the civilized fishing world.
But just giving up on educating the masses about river etiquette is a cop out in my opinion. That's like saying you can never teach a kid that stealing is wrong and that he will be a thief forever. Maybe a lousy example but you get my point. Blame it on the mentor of each guy learning how to fish. If he had done his job properly there wouldn't be any low-holing, throwing garbage on the ground, and in general.... respecting other anglers.
My dad taught me as a younster about river etiquette but what really cemented it into my head was a NEVER forgotten lesson he taught me when I was 12 years old. The ol' boy used to take me out of school every year for a week in the fall from the time I was ten to fish steelhead on the Thompson (mid sixties) plus several weekends through the season. On one of our weekends we were getting ready to fish one of our favourite runs. I was so amped up, as usual, that I left before my dad was ready.
When I was walking the tracks I saw a fish roll below a solitary guy on the run we were going to fish. I scrambled down the side of the hill, went down below this guy, and a couple of casts later I was into this fish. My dad witnessed this from the tracks and went down to the guy above me to do some damage control. My dad said the guy was plenty pissed off at me but ended up giving me a bit of slack because of my age . My dad told him that ws no excuse and that I should have known better. After my dad came down to me he walked me up to him to apoligize.
As we walked up river above the guy my dad also said to me, "BTW.....you just lost your chance at getting time off school to fish this year!" As much as I cried, pleaded, and begged him to take me over the next couple of weeks he stuck to his guns, the bastard.
Let's just say I didn't miss anymore trips after that~
BTW.....when they talk about rotational angling not working in all situations I would put my bottom dollar on it that they are referring to bar fishing....not drift fishing, chucking spoons, or flyfishing where it's in your best interest to cover more water.
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BTW.....when they talk about rotational angling not working in all situations I would put my bottom dollar on it that they are referring to bar fishing....not drift fishing, chucking spoons, or flyfishing where it's in your best interest to cover more water.
I agree with you but, what i was getting at is until they make it mandatory what happens out there will continue. Besides you can educate people all you want , some will just not care. In the future it would be great if you could be first on the water, and be the first to fish down the run. That being said i have picked up lots of fish after people have jumped down below me, it is even sweeter when they are still there to see it.
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It's only going to get worse.
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I personally think it's going to get better with time. Most of the younger people out there are also on this or one of the other fishing forums where the education about low-holing takes place.
I find it's the slightly older guys (not trying to pick any group out) that have been fishing a long time and are generally dicks in all aspects of life. And yeah I think its useless to try and educate those guys.
To be fair I've met more older fishermen on the Vedder who are gentlemen than the ones I describe above. But it's not by a very wide margin.
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I must say that out of 12 or so outings this year since early December I have not been low holed once. On most outings there have been times when people have walked up from a run below and had a perfect chance to step in and low hole, but saw me and didn't.
We would even have a little chit chat before they proceeded to the top of the run.
I have never been a low holer and never will. No matter how prime a section of water might be, more often than not if I see someone there I will pass on to the next run and maybe fish it later.
Being a fly guy, I really appreciate the courtesy I have been shown so far this steelhead season. Maybe things are changing...
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Ya hopefully it is getting better had a bad day 1st on the vedd . Got into with some guys when I fished through a run they were camping . They told me to leave because they got there first . I laughed and did my thing . People dragging long leaders with a firm jerk at the end lol
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I personally think it's going to get better with time. Most of the younger people out there are also on this or one of the other fishing forums where the education about low-holing takes place.
I find it's the slightly older guys (not trying to pick any group out) that have been fishing a long time and are generally dicks in all aspects of life. And yeah I think its useless to try and educate those guys.
To be fair I've met more older fishermen on the Vedder who are gentlemen than the ones I describe above. But it's not by a very wide margin.
I don't agree. With density only bad things happen.
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Wow a lot of emotional drama for a practice that never existed on this river . A few die hard rotationers is not going to convert the multitudes out there . Just do your part to be courtious , fish the water in front of you and enjoy the day , what happens around you should not ruin your day .
For those who disparage post holeing just go by me as I am so glad I made that far and this 74 year is a danger to himself while wadeing . Don`t be afraid to stop and BS for a while especialy if your a Bowhunter . LOL
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Hey greybark long time no see!
Hopefully I run into you soon so you can take me to one of your 3D shoots.
Jason.
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Hi Jason , you still pounding your stretch of the river ? There is an Indoor 3-D in Abbotsford 19-20 Jan . If you show up I will give the VIP tour . LOL
Cheers
PS. sorry for the highjack Mastercaster .
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Yep, still hiding in the trees, Only getting out once or twice a week as I'm waiting for a nasty hernia repair right now.
Hopefully I'll catch up with ya by the spring!