Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: BigFisher on December 29, 2012, 09:00:08 PM
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Why are some Rods priced so high compared to others? What makes them superior, and is it really worth the extra bucks?
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Action, feel, weight, composition, quality of the components (reel seat, eyes), appearance, warranty, reputation, and brand.
In my opinion, yes, it does make a difference and I will pay for quality rods.
If you don't have the money for something like a Sage, you can easily find a cheaper rod that you will be happy with. Lots of good products out there without breaking the bank.
Added- you can always find good prices in the classified section here or on other forums.
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Go take a tour of the Sage Factory and you will see why. The care and attention to detail that they put into every single rod is the difference.
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Why are some Rods priced so high compared to others? What makes them superior, and is it really worth the extra bucks?
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Yes, if you want a sage rods, then you have to pay for the extra bucks but it doesn't mean you can hook more fish. I think you hooked way
more fish then some sage owners. Haha
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Why are some Rods priced so high compared to others? What makes them superior, and is it really worth the extra bucks?
Makes the fight and the enjoyment fishing them much more fun IMO.
Go to the shop one day and grab a bunch of rods with the same weight, action, length and ounce rating...
You can feel a huge difference in the action and overall feel between expensive and cheap rods.
I find more expensive rods have a way better feel right down to the butt section (better action throughout).
I'm a big fan of shimano though. Nice rods for a great price.
The Lami that you got will be a sweet rod though, wait till you hit a fish on it!
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Gear doesn't catch fish.
Probably the only thing worth is the warranty.
Most expensive rods have a lifetime warranty.
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Hey, any of you guys have any good experience with using G loomis rods. got a ST1444 couple days ago. 8-17lbs, 12'6 trigger rod.
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Ya love my loomis GL3 1445 its a power house more of a thompson or fraser rod but its as light as my Sage 1331 lb both have there merrits wouldnt sell either well thats not totally true
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Ya love my loomis GL3 1445 its a power house more of a thompson or fraser rod but its as light as my Sage 1331 lb both have there merrits wouldnt sell either well thats not totally true
Never heard of a Sage 1331 lb. Is it something new ?
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Ya love my loomis GL3 1445 its a power house more of a thompson or fraser rod but its as light as my Sage 1331 lb both have there merrits wouldnt sell either well thats not totally true
1 power 33 feet 1 inch long and a light blank rod?
NOW THAT'S A NOODLE ROD!!!!!!!!!!
:P
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never heard of the 1331! Was wondering if it is a typo error and you meant to say 3113 as it is a very noodle rod with good power but a little too soft tipped for big rivers.
Have been a hardcore sage guy for quite a few years and find that its performance in terms of accurate casting, durability, and bend ability have made being on the river way more fun. Well worth the extra $$ if you can do it. I used to love the shimano convergence line up. Also great rods for the buck!
hotrod
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Name,warranty,quality.
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As mentioned, with a better rod the action, feel, and weight is usually a lot nicer than a comparable rod of lesser value. That specific action you are looking for that just clicks for you is a lot harder to find in a cheaper rod that has not had the r&d, suggestions from customer and pro staff, tweaks etc that a more expensive rod may have into it. This elusive "perfect action" especially comes into play with fly rods as the action plays a bigger part in your casting, and everyone has a different casting style.
The components are better, the cork is nicer and there is more attention to detail in the build. A lot of times there is more fishing than catching going on, so sometimes it is just nice to have something in your hand that feels and looks superior that puts a smile on your face.
Most higher prices rods are built from scratch in the US or at the very minimum the blanks are rolled else where and assembled in the US. That alone raises the price a lot from having everything done in Asia.
A really good warranty is a also big factor of the increased cost too. While a lot of cheaper rods do come with a good warranty, it will be for a year or two not lifetime, or once the rod is discontinued you are out of luck. Sage for example has a lifetime warranty, and because they roll their own blanks in house, even if you break a rod that is ten years old and discontinued 5 years ago, they will still build you a new one from scratch.
All that said, will a more expensive rod catch you more fish? No. Will a more expensive rod be more pleasurable to look at and feel and translate to a more enjoyable experience on the water? Yes. It is up to you to decide if the price difference is worth it. Also, the most expensive rod is not necessarly the best rod either.
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Gear doesn't catch fish.
Probably the only thing worth is the warranty.
Most expensive rods have a lifetime warranty.
Have to absolutely disagree.
To a large degree, you get what you pay for. Yes, an angler can potentially hook a fish on a cheap Cdn Tire rod as easily as an expensive Sage stick. And I agree you might only get a slight improvement in casting an expensive gear rod over a cheap piece of crap from WalMart. (the difference is somewhat more noticeable on fly rods though, IMO).
BUT.
How much time do you want to spend worrying about that eye that just came loose on your cheap rod? What are you going to do when you're battling a steelhead and the reel seat comes loose on your Walmart special? How annoying is it going to be when the cork on the handle of your inexpensive rod keeps breaking off?
I've experienced all of the above (or something similar) using cheap rods over the years. I now invest in better tackle as I believe it creates a better and more enjoyable fishing experience. Do I catch more fish with better gear? I believe so - but not because I'm casting better or because the fish can tell, instead it's because I spend less time fixing things or dealing with issues related to cheap gear.
Also, for what it's worth I believe that there is a huge difference between a cheap and a moderately priced rod, but once you get beyond a moderate priced stick then the increased quality / benefit becomes smaller and smaller. Kind of like this (but replace "yield" with "quality" and replace "maturity" with "cost"):
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Basically, you get what you paid for.
Try it and you will find out.
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Makes the fight and the enjoyment fishing them much more fun IMO.
The Lami that you got will be a sweet rod though, wait till you hit a fish on it!
What model of Lamilgas did he get ?
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Lamiiglas 11'3 Medium 8-15lb X113 MCP Certified Pro
Would like to hear what others have to say about it before I break it out on the water. Is this rod a good match for steelhead?
Baitcaster
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Sensitive front section with single foot guides and good backbone at the butt section .
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Very disappointed, was expecting a breakdown of the revenue streams for this website versus Youtube ads.
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Very disappointed, was expecting a breakdown of the revenue streams for this website versus Youtube ads.
Good one... ;D
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wtf?
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---quality control ... pic up two and they are very similar.. thus you can be assured that if you like a particular one you can recommend it or get another and it will be similar to the one you have now.
---components for sure.. each guide added price of material and assembly costs.. usually more guides and better quality... it adds up quick just on a price per guide.
--R&D biggest costs developing new products... others may knock off or even improve but if you want leading edge its gonna cost first out of the box.
--I am excluding custom as the builder can fine tune to your liking that is totally different from the components available.
--I agree equipment won't catch fish... unless you are equal to the equipment... I could drive an F1 car but likely would beat an F1 driver even if they didn't have the best car... on the other hand the best F1 driver may not be able to beat the second best F1 driver if they didn't have the same equipment.
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my opinuion is that it dosnt matter what every one else like its what u and lamiglass g-loomis and sage make beautiful rod but they are pricey if u want cheap but fantstic rod go to cabeles ang get your self a cebelas pro guide medeium action 9 foot rod u also get ehm in a combo with a abu real they are fantastic rod i fish my 9 for for float fishing jigs for steelhead and its a dream cast great and ver sensitive if u use light leaders it also has a ver soft yip so its forgiving for those light leaders
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WTF??? ???
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WTF??? ???
X2
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World Taekwondo Federation
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Just wanted to say the lamiglas is pretty slick, and I can definately tell why they are worth so much. The other day my buddy was complaining and having the worst morning fishing in the cold because his guides kept freezing. The lamiglas had no issues at all, You do get what you pay for.
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Just wanted to say the lamiglas is pretty slick, and I can definately tell why they are worth so much. The other day my buddy was complaining and having the worst morning fishing in the cold because his guides kept freezing. The lamiglas had no issues at all, You do get what you pay for.
I've been telling you to get rid of that old hunk of crap Convergence for a while. Glad you've seen the light ;D
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Gear doesn't catch fish.
Probably the only thing worth is the warranty.
Most expensive rods have a lifetime warranty.
I don't know about you but I catch all my fish on either fly or bait gear! You must use a net or buy them at the market!
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Im currently using a c3 and convergance im wondering if i would have better results if i upgraded my rod im not looking to break the bank something around 120 any recomondations and help would be appreciated
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Im currently using a c3 and convergance im wondering if i would have better results if i upgraded my rod im not looking to break the bank something around 120 any recomondations and help would be appreciated
I don't think buying a good rod will make you a better fisherman.
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Strange no one has mentioned Marketing. Advertising, trade shows, fishing guide support programs all cost money and must be borne by the consumer. Berkely, Shimano, Sage, Loomis spend a lot. TFO and others spend significantly less.
Within a single manufacturer's line certainly better components will run up the price but companies like Sage separate sell price from cost for the higher end products. A high end rod doesn't have 3x the cost of a lower end rod, even if you consider new high tech components like nano-tech resin in the Sage One and a few other products.
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I don't know about you but I catch all my fish on either fly or bait gear! You must use a net or buy them at the market!
greyghost,
I meant that as in gear doesn't catch fish, the fisherman does. It doesn't really matter what gear you use if you do your homework.
I hear a lot about how you have to buy the most expensive gear the money can buy and we have been trained like sheep by the media and marketers.
We have all become branded.
While in fact if you practise on the cheap gear and hone in your skills you will be much better when you get the good gear.
If you practise jumping with weights on your legs and can jump 4 feet high, when you take the weights off you will be able to jump 5 feet high.
Expensive gear will have better warranty, I'll give them that.
Many of these high end gear companies actually have draconian rules for their suppliers to maintain exclusivity.
I will pay top dollar for a Cpin reel for example that is hand made because I know what has gone into it.
But I don't think I would pay $800 for a rod because I know that the materials are probably just as cheap as the mid range rods and the markup is astronomical.
Novelty sells so if someone has discovered a new material to make a rod and is marking it up high just because nobody else knows it, I won't buy into it.
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Just wanted to say the lamiglas is pretty slick, and I can definately tell why they are worth so much. The other day my buddy was complaining and having the worst morning fishing in the cold because his guides kept freezing. The lamiglas had no issues at all, You do get what you pay for.
OK, stupid question maybe, but does one guide over another freeze up and which guide is best under freezing conditions?
Frozen guides seem to be a common thread in cold conditions, my Convergence guides froze up and so do my Loomis rod guides (and this is not a cheap rod)
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I don't think it matters really what guides you have. My zirconium plated guides freeze up just as quick as the ones on my gl2 do.
Of course the tip top guide is going to freeze up first because it sees the mist water and is the smallest. I'm sure there's many products out there designed to help with freezing, but I wouldn't be putting any product on my line no matter how "friendly" they say it is.
Sometimes I'll dip my rod in the water and shake it out if I'm really lazy. Usually I just keep my drifts really short and I can get through a run without having to de-ice.
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Obviously the difference between cheap and high end rods is quality, weight, sensitivity, balance, durability, high tech innovations built in it, and warranty.
Years ago I owned few St.Croix wild river drift rods. I broke the upper tip three or four times in a four years period, due to high staking, flying led hitting it, having a fish on, etc. Since changing to Sages(3113 and 4120) about six years ago and clearly abusing them I had no problems at all with exception of replacing a guide or two. I don't worry about high staking any more cause Sages are managing it well. I never needed to use my life time warranty either, however it gives me a peace of mind.
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OK, stupid question maybe, but does one guide over another freeze up and which guide is best under freezing conditions?
Frozen guides seem to be a common thread in cold conditions, my Convergence guides froze up and so do my Loomis rod guides (and this is not a cheap rod)
It's the water on the guides that freezes. Doesn't make any difference on the type of guides.
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It's the water on the guides that freezes. Doesn't make any difference on the type of guides.
That's what I though...I have waxed my guides a few times...doesn't work too bad...but really, just delays the inevitable
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Im currently using a c3 and convergance im wondering if i would have better results if i upgraded my rod im not looking to break the bank something around 120 any recomondations and help would be appreciated
I used a convergence for years, and never really liked it. Didn't seem to have much mojo. About 4 years ago I picked up a Fenwick Canadian Methods rod for less than the Convergence was worth, and I like it way more. They're worth a look if your unhappy with your convergence, and I caught way more fish on the Fenwick, probably just because I was more confident with it. Cheers
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Thanks
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Strange no one has mentioned Marketing. Advertising, trade shows, fishing guide support programs all cost money and must be borne by the consumer. Berkely, Shimano, Sage, Loomis spend a lot. TFO and others spend significantly less.
Within a single manufacturer's line certainly better components will run up the price but companies like Sage separate sell price from cost for the higher end products. A high end rod doesn't have 3x the cost of a lower end rod, even if you consider new high tech components like nano-tech resin in the Sage One and a few other products.
BINGO!
The largest part in the cost price of ANY rod is mentioned above. Only other cost not mentioned will be american labour vs korean or chinese labour costs overseas. Nano tech resin adds about 25% to the makers cost of making the rod.
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Lots of rods are just junk but here is one that is unique & has very good reviews.
Do a web search on " emmrod ".
Great on hikes shore fishing kayak on & on...
Maybe yous know about them already ??? but for me it is a new product.
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Lots of rods are just junk but here is one that is unique & has very good reviews.
Do a web search on " emmrod ".
Great on hikes shore fishing kayak on & on...
Maybe yous know about them already ??? but for me it is a new product.
Sorry pal they are not rods, they are poles ;D :D
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I am loving my St Croix 10'6 river rod... I was using an Abu Garcia 10'6 rod before... It was like going from a Kia to a Audi...