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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: mko72 on September 26, 2012, 05:56:41 PM
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I read a lot of comments about someone being a "beek".
what's a beek? Is it like "the guy is beeking off?" so he's being rude, or obnoxious or belligerent?
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commonly used for someone who fish unethically or does something they shouldn't do because they don't care....or someone who acts like they own the river.
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http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=7600.0
this may help
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http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=28377.0 (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=28377.0)
And this running definition from 2011
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Gull_Beak_IMG_1575.JPG/220px-Gull_Beak_IMG_1575.JPG)
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Got it. Thanks. Shoulda searched first.
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Barely Enough Angling Knowledge. ;D
Actually, back in the day, being called a BEAK was considered a compliment to a fisherman, believe it or not.
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I went back and read the old threads. I'm going to hi-jack my own thread with another question.
Something about "moldy salmon" caught my eye. This is my first season, and I've only caught one.
What's the deal with "moldy salmon". Can they go bad before they're caught? Are they no good if they're close to spawning and all wrecked from exhaustion?
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I went back and read the old threads. I'm going to hi-jack my own thread with another question.
Something about "moldy salmon" caught my eye. This is my first season, and I've only caught one.
What's the deal with "moldy salmon". Can they go bad before they're caught? Are they no good if they're close to spawning and all wrecked from exhaustion?
exactly.
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Generally the more chrome/silver the fresher the fish is,and the darker it is the closer it is to spawning/death.This being said not all coloured up fish are bad, a quick test is squeeze the belly if it is squishy probably a good sign that the meat would not make good table fair.They also do start to decay visually with big spores all over them at this stage they are likely very close to or post spawn and what is referred to as 'moldy'.
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If you don't know what a beek is, then there is a pretty good chance that you are a beek.
These are the beek warning signs:
1. Bringing a tackle box to the river.
2. Walking waist deep into a gin clear pool full of coho or steelhead.
3. Asking people what colour wool they are using.
4. Using a spinning rod with a float.
5. Casting over my line while I am fighting a fish.
6. *EDIT* Sarting a thread on FWR, asking when, or where to fish for coho on the Capilano.
And the list goes on and on...
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If you don't know what a beek is, then there is a pretty good chance that you are a beek.
These are the beek warning signs:
1. Bringing a tackle box to the river.
2. Walking waist deep into a gin clear pool full of coho or steelhead.
3. Asking people what colour wool they are using.
4. Using a spinning rod with a float.
5. Casting over my line while I am fighting a fish.
And the list goes on and on...
Awesome...I was going to mention the first line of this but I have some beakness by some definitions! ;D
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If you don't know what a beek is, then there is a pretty good chance that you are a beek.
These are the beek warning signs:
1. Bringing a tackle box to the river.
2. Walking waist deep into a gin clear pool full of coho or steelhead.
3. Asking people what colour wool they are using.
4. Using a spinning rod with a float.
5. Casting over my line while I am fighting a fish.
6. *EDIT* Sarting a thread on FWR, asking when, or where to fish for coho on the Capilano.
And the list goes on and on...
I'd say 1 and 4 aren't fair. That could be a money issue. I've seen guys with a tackle box or spinning rod with a float catch fish legit. Agree with the others.
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I'd say 1 and 4 aren't fair. That could be a money issue. I've seen guys with a tackle box or spinning rod with a float catch fish legit. Agree with the others.
If money is an issue then why even buy a tackle box? If you're drift fishing properly, you don't need any more gear than that which can fit in your pockets. Roll of leader, pack of hooks, pack of swivels, some split shot and maybe one or two extra floats. I've fished many times with no vest (or tackle box) and just put everything in my jacket pockets.
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What's the deal with "moldy salmon". Can they go bad before they're caught? Are they no good if they're close to spawning and all wrecked from exhaustion?
A lot of salmon stay alive for a long time after they spawn. The skin turns from chrome, to dark, to white. Sometimes the birds pecks their eye out as they are laying there. They are still breathing and just waiting for death, and some will actually bite your offering!
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please explain how using a float with a spinning real is beak behaviour?
I do it all the time and have seen many other good anglers do this so, not sure what the problem is there.
Being a beek is someone who litters, throws line/tim ho's cups on ground, uses barbed hooks/bait on banned rivers, drags fish onto rocks without id'ing, fingers in gills of released fish, kicking fish back into water, unnecessary rudeness, snaggers, keeping over their limit etc...
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please explain how using a float with a spinning real is beak behaviour?
I do it all the time and have seen many other good anglers do this so, not sure what the problem is there.
Being a beek is someone who litters, throws line/tim ho's cups on ground, uses barbed hooks/bait on banned rivers, drags fish onto rocks without id'ing, fingers in gills of released fish, kicking fish back into water, unnecessary rudeness, snaggers, keeping over their limit etc...
i didnt get that either... why float fishing with a spinning reel is a beak ??? If you go down to washington and oregon most of the guys use spinning reels with a float as well as the guys back east in canada. It only seems in bc a levelwind is the reel of choice, if youre not using a pin or fly fishing
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please explain how using a float with a spinning real is beak behaviour?
I do it all the time and have seen many other good anglers do this so, not sure what the problem is there.
Absolutely nothing wrong with using a spinning rod floating. It's just some people who like to look down on others if you're not wearing a Pantagonia jacket, using Sage rods and Islander or Milner center pin reels.
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Absolutely nothing wrong with using a spinning rod floating. It's just some people who like to look down on others if you're not wearing a Pantagonia jacket, using Sage rods and Islander or Milner center pin reels.
so would those guys be considered a beek :-\
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No, we consider those as narrow-minded jerks.
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No, we consider those as narrow-minded jerks.
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I have seen hundreds of guys fishing salmon with floats and "coffee grinder" spinning reels.
I have seen exactly none of them opening the bail to freespool.
I have seen exactly hundreds of them fishing with excessively long leaders using the swing and reef technique.
Using a spinning reel with a float may not make you a beek, but it certainly don't smell pretty.
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I have to say it is not easy being a beak. Learning this sport on your own is difficult. Most people have family/friends show them how to fish. My Dad taught me how to fish with a worm and bobber and that is pretty much it. Other people immigrate here and have never fished for trout/salmon. For years I wanted to fish the rivers for salmon but did not know where/when/how to start. One day August day in 2010 I walked into Chilliwack Dart and Tackle because I heard the news about the huge sockeye run. They rigged my up and I was hooked. I was shocked at the crowds, but I could not resist the thrill of hooking a fish. I did not BB this year and have progressed onto more rewarding pursuits... Drifting a float and fly fishing still waters. I muddled my way through, often to the amusement and occasionaly frusteration of other anglers. it was (and at times still is) humbling but that fishing bug is too powerful!
Sites such as this one have made it much much easier. So I am grateful beak too.
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I had my buddy using my spinning rod with a float - his FIRST time out salmon fishing ever - short floating the same way I was with my pin. Except I told him just to focus in this one area of water and keep the drifts short -- ended up getting into a few spring jacks.
Had to make due with what I had available for equipment at the time.
It doesn't matter what you are using as long as you are fishing in a correct manner, I've seen people using long leaders using the swing and reef technique on all types - its the way you set up your rod from the rod tip to the hook that makes you an idiot.
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please explain how using a float with a spinning real is beak behaviour?
I do it all the time and have seen many other good anglers do this so, not sure what the problem is there.
Being a beek is someone who litters, throws line/tim ho's cups on ground, uses barbed hooks/bait on banned rivers, drags fish onto rocks without id'ing, fingers in gills of released fish, kicking fish back into water, unnecessary rudeness, snaggers, keeping over their limit etc...
Good point, didn't even think about that at the time. Above all, this is what makes you a beek.
I wasn't trying to to be an ignorant a*****e, just trying to stir the pot, have a little fun. No need to take it personal.
Happy fishing, tight lines..
If my rivers were cooperating, I would using my Milner CP on my Sage rod, but probably not wearing my Patagonia jacket, on a river today, instead of talking smack on my Laptop.
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Long leader rippers come from all walks of life, using coffee grinders, pins or baitcasters. Seen it all on the chedder from old timer white dudes with milners and kingpins, young guns with there dads setup, asians and euros with their "coffee grinders", typical average joe with a baitcaster fishing on his way home from a long hard day of work using the old rippem to shreds method.
Bottom line is, can't judge someone by what they are using but by how they are using it.
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Long leader rippers come from all walks of life, using coffee grinders, pins or baitcasters. Seen it all on the chedder from old timer white dudes with milners and kingpins, young guns with there dads setup, asians and euros with their "coffee grinders", typical average joe with a baitcaster fishing on his way home from a long hard day of work using the old rippem to shreds method.
Bottom line is, can't judge someone by what they are using but by how they are using it.
Who are you kidding, you are the definition of BEEK
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Who are you kidding, you are the definition of BEEK
Doesn't it take one to know one? ;)
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I donot know what you want to call them but we are seeing some serious problems from KWB down, it like in Alaska where they do have a season to snag your fish.
FOC has been writting a number tickets at KWB I have been told for individuals fishing past and before the one hour limit.
Browne Road has some snagging problems too.
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Lots of people snagging mid and upper river as well. Best part is they still aren't getting any fish!
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Who are you kidding, you are the definition of BEEK
oh please...
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FOC has been writting a number tickets at KWB I have been told for individuals fishing past and before the one hour limit.
Yeah that was something I noticed too. It's funny though, those fishing too late or early know they are doing wrong. Twice last week as I waited for the light I could hear and see people fishing, one as early as 5:15am. But like I said, they know they are in the wrong. All it takes is the question "is that you casting?" And they stop and won't cast again until everyone else is. Guilt and shame, at least they know it. Twice I had this experience in the last week, almost like deja vu.
Good to hear they are ticketing em for it. Really is a black and white issue, pun intended. ;D
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Yeah that was something I noticed too. It's funny though, those fishing too late or early know they are doing wrong. Twice last week as I waited for the light I could hear and see people fishing, one as early as 5:15am. But like I said, they know they are in the wrong. All it takes is the question "is that you casting?" And they stop and won't cast again until everyone else is. Guilt and shame, at least they know it. Twice I had this experience in the last week, almost like deja vu.
Good to hear they are ticketing em for it. Really is a black and white issue, pun intended. ;D
probably BigFisher, he likes to fish at 4 a.m. with glow sticks.
you know it's true Ry ;D
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Guys that yell at you from the other side of the river saying you're breaking the law by fishing in a certain area. I would define a beak as someone who thinks they own the river, someone who thinks he is the best fisherman in the area, a guy who thinks he can't do no wrong, etc... I wouldn't nessiscary call some one with inexperience or lack of knoweledge on the proper methods or ethical methods of fishing these rivers beaks, more or less to stubborn to learn the correct methods. A beak is someone who knows what they are doing but still "beaks" or puts down other fisherman because he wants to more or less make himself look better, so I would in short call a beak an " egotistical my friend" for lack of better words.
I keep the freshwater synopsis in my backpack when I go fishing, so that I can prove to beaks or other people that they are usually just too full of themselfs to realize the real laws, and help people learn to identify fish / laws and regulations for the certain rivers if need be. You would be amazed at the ammount of people that say to know all the regs and such but in reality are just call you out because you're out fishing them ;)
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If you wear a yellow rain coat.
Your probably a beek. :o
If you use Maple Leaf Drennans your probably a beek. :D ;)
If your fishin with me.
Your either a beek or soon to be one. ;D
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If you use Maple Leaf Drennans your probably a beek. :D ;)
Hello Chris :)
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If you use Maple Leaf Drennans your probably a beek. :D ;)
Well now I know you are one for sure along with FA that always has been one. ;D ;D ;D
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What is a beek?
You can be called a beek from the moment you walk into a hole, the gear you use, how you use it, how you fight a fish, what you wear, and even how you talk. Here some examples of beeks:
1) You walk in with a tackle box
2) You wear yellow rain gear
3) You aren’t wearing waders
4) You’re wearing rubber boots
5) You show up at 9:00am and say.......doesn’t anybody work anymore
6) You wade into gin clear water and you’ve now spooked all the fish that were right in front of everyone
7) You squeeze in between guys and don’t even talk to them
8) You stand 4 feet from me
9) You low hole a guy. If you’re a beek, you won’t know what this is
10) When confronted, you don’t understand English after you’ve been speaking it all morning
11) You say......any pinks yet
12) You say......any bites yet (these are called hits or strikes)
13) You say......where’s all the spings (they’re actually called springs)
14) You use a coffee grinder and barely know how to use it
15) You spend half your day with your gear in a tree
16) You're constantly fighting with your bird nest
17) You constantly cast way up river
18) You constantly cast up river over my line
19) You cast down river over my line
20) You use oversize gear for the water you’re fishing (huge hooks, big dink floats, piece of wool 4 inches long never trimmed, 6 foot leader)
21) You use undersized gear for the water you’re fishing (trout spinning rod when there are springs in the river)
22) You floats lays horizontal to the water
23) You’re line is slack in the water while your float drifts downstream
24) You don’t know how to fight a fish
25) You don’t know how to bleed your fish and why you’re even doing it
26) You don’t know how to clean your fish
27) You leave your dead fish in the sun for half a day and wonder why it doesn’t taste very good
Essentially a beek is a rookie. An experienced angler can see a beek a mile away. When a guy walks in to a spot, or even the first few casts.
Is there a problem with being a beek? Well, not really I guess, but it sure isn’t fun fishing beside you. Everyone started out as a beek, nobody knew how to fish the very first time they went out. The ticket is, a true fisherman learns his trade, asks questions, talks to the guys in the know, picks up tips here and there, listens to what people tell him. It’s a guy’s choice if he wants to stay a beek or evolve as a fisherman. I started out as a beek sure. I first used a coffee grinder for my first season when I was 15, then my folks bought me my first Sage rod and baitcaster. I have now fished for 22 years and own 4 centerpins. I loved the sport and I evolved.
The problem I see is that there are so many new fisherman spawned from the huge sockeye run a few years ago and these “fisherman” if you want to call them that, are not evolving. They are still following all the beek examples above because they are truly only there for the meat. This is the other problem, everyone is after meat these days. Take a look at the amount of pinks being bonked these days, you never would have seen that in the past. Take a look at the gong show at the Keith Wilson Bridge, that place used to produce and was a lot of fun but you won’t get me near it anymore. The other problem I see is a lot of the true fisherman are getting squeezed out of “their” spots. Guys are either getting in boats and hitting other water or moving to other systems to have a more enjoyable experience. Some guys refuse to hit the Vedder now.
When I walk into a spot, I survey the water and the other fisherman. I look for the true fisherman, walk up to him and ask how the fishing has been. This guy is usually fishing a pin but don’t be fooled by his gear though. I’ve seen guys decked out with Simms waders and jackets, using Islander CP’s, and don’t know a dam thing about fishing. These are still called beeks.
It has nothing really to do with money as others have mentioned. A guy can get set up with appropriate gear at a fairly reasonable price. If a guy can spend 30 bucks on gas per day to get to the Vedder, he sure as heck can fork out the $400 to get set up.
Being a beek has nothing to do with littering or garbage as other have mentioned. Those are called litterbugs and a disgrace to society. Shame on you!
Snagging is debateable if it’s called a beak or not. In my opinion, it they should be classified as unethical and these rat bastards should be beat with a cue ball in a sock. Don’t fool yourself here either guys, there are people on this site that post fish that have been snagged. They’re among us. They read everyone’s reports of where and when the fish are in, and then head out. Beware when you post a report of your fish and provide the location.
When I first got my centerpin, I went to the Allouette and played around for a while. Nobody else around and I learned before I hit the big time at the Vedder. When I learned how to fly fish, I went to a nearby park without a hook and a piece of wool tied on the end.
The bottom line is folks, if you don’t want to look like a beek or be called a beek, go out and get the proper gear, learn how to use it and practice before hand. Go to a stream near you, go to a park, go to a slow section of the river, or go to the river during slow season. Spend some time at your local tackle shop and learn the lingo. Not many people do this anymore.
You are the only one that can decide if you truly are a beek or not. Whether you want to remain a beek is entirely up to you.
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So how long have you been a beak ? ;D
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Or someone that has almost 400 posts :)
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;D
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22 years now by the way Bently ;D..................not planning on changing either ;)
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22 years now by the way Bently ;D..................not planning on changing either ;)
So once a beak always a beak is what your saying. Good for you, nothing like having a well earned "veteran beak status". ;D
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All honestly, I've probably met each and every one of those examples when I first started out. You don't know what you don't know right? Takes a bit to figure it out.
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What is a beek?
3) You aren’t wearing waders
This is the only one I meet. Sorry but I love to fish, all different ways(drifting with my levelwinds or pin, fly fishing, and spincasting) and I do it all in shorts and sandals. Well into November on the Vedder and I do a bit of Steelheading that way too. Maybe I would wear waders if it made sense for me. I am 6'7 and it is tough to find waders for someone as tall, and fat as me that come with size 15 stockings. Sure I could spend $500 plus on a custom pair of Simms, and maybe one day I will, but does this really make me a friggin Beak?
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I was generalizing for the most part. But, there is a time and place for waders. When it's mid summer and hot out, waders aren't a neccessity because you can wade in the water to land your fish or release it. But, when it's cold enough to where people don't want to get wet when landing or releasing a fish, then it's not cool. Sliding a fish up the bank if you plan on releasing your fish would also put you into the Beek category.
I'm not saying this is you, just clarifying.
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I was generalizing for the most part. But, there is a time and place for waders. When it's mid summer and hot out, waders aren't a neccessity because you can wade in the water to land your fish or release it. But, when it's cold enough to where people don't want to get wet when landing or releasing a fish, then it's not cool. Sliding a fish up the bank if you plan on releasing your fish would also put you into the Beek category.
I'm not saying this is you, just clarifying.
Oh god that is the worst. I understand if you dont have waders, dont want to afford them, cant afford them, any number of reasons (excuses) but if you are going fishing, wear a pair of shoes you can get wet, and take a change of pants and socks! You dont have to wade, but get your my friend in the water to release the fish, and then get out.
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I was generalizing for the most part. But, there is a time and place for waders. When it's mid summer and hot out, waders aren't a neccessity because you can wade in the water to land your fish or release it. But, when it's cold enough to where people don't want to get wet when landing or releasing a fish, then it's not cool. Sliding a fish up the bank if you plan on releasing your fish would also put you into the Beek category.
I'm not saying this is you, just clarifying.
Lets see been fishing over 40 yrs now, never worn waders and I release fish, guess Im a beek. Sort of a moronic response, no?
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All depends on how you land and release fish. Doesn't matter if you release fish or not, it's how you do it. You'll have to provide more detail on how you land and release fish. The comment of moronic response doesn't seem justified as you haven't detailed how you actually do. Saying you release fish means nothing other than ............you release fish. I think you're jumping to conclusions.
I've seen guys without waders land and release properly. By this I mean actually getting wet rather than sliding the fish up the bank or up a pile of rocks. Landing fish can be done properly with or without waders.
You're reading to much into my response. I think you'll need to re-read my response as well as DanJohns.
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All depends on how you land and release fish. Doesn't matter if you release fish or not, it's how you do it. You'll have to provide more detail on how you land and release fish. The comment of moronic response doesn't seem justified as you haven't detailed how you actually do. Saying you release fish means nothing other than ............you release fish. I think you're jumping to conclusions.
I've seen guys without waders land and release properly. By this I mean actually getting wet rather than sliding the fish up the bank or up a pile of rocks. Landing fish can be done properly with or without waders.
You're reading to much into my response. I think you'll need to re-read my response as well as DanJohns.
Not really, I agree with you. I cant stand people that think because the fish is released, everything is well and good. Slide em on the beach, let em flop around, wiggle the hook out and kick em back in! Yay, they stayed dry, and practiced C&R!
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Sorry Dan, I was referring to Bassonator. I know you agree with me and I'm pleased to see that. Sounds like I could fish beside you anyday :)
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What is a beek?
You forgot to mention,someone who like me now sits on a lawn chair while fishing for coho and also because my 40 year old Avon is covered with roe and procure .
Ah, lawn chair is used because of my bad knees after 60 years of badminton, 20 years of pitching fastball 15 years of umpiring and 20 years of hockey. What will they say when I need a ramp to get down to the river.
Anyway I am happy beeko begone. ;D ;D
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I too was curious what the term BEEK meant as many anglers I talked to didn't have a concise definition but rather just many different examples, some of which were contradicting. Everyone knows the term, but everyone has his/her own interpretation. Even when I read previous post on the forums, there were no clear consensus on the definition of the term. I think a good mordern day definition I found stated a "BEEK" is someone with poor fishing or angling etiquette.
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I actually thought about it and I remembered you. You're not a beek and you know it. You are a well respected angler that most of us could aspire too.
I'm sure that one day I will also be using a lawnchair :)
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I actually thought about it and I remembered you. You're not a beek and you know it. You are a well respected angler that most of us could aspire too.
I'm sure that one day I will also be using a lawnchair :)
Was just showing we have to be careful when judging the actions of people out on the river. I can be guilty as well at times.
In our circle of anglers we use the tern of beak O begone as a term of endearment. ???
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You forgot to mention,someone who like me now sits on a lawn chair while fishing for coho and also because my 40 year old Avon is covered with roe and procure .
Ah, lawn chair is used because of my bad knees after 60 years of badminton, 20 years of pitching fastball 15 years of umpiring and 20 years of hockey. What will they say when I need a ramp to get down to the river.
Anyway I am happy beeko begone. ;D ;D
Yeah, and Id come and kick your lawnchair into the river!
Acutally I wouldnt, because I would feel bad. BUT, I would give you dirty looks as I fished a run, standing, and got more and more jealous of your sweet wading chair. AND THEN I WOULD KICK IT INTO THE RIVER!
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Can we agree that all Leaf fans are beeks ? :D :D
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Look at the pic in Rod's fishing report. There you will see some beeks in action.
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Yup, definitely some there for sure.
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Video of "The View From Above" being down loaded now, who will be the first to comment. ;D ;D ;D
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..............I'm not sure I want to see this :-[
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Hurry up
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Not really, I agree with you. I cant stand people that think because the fish is released, everything is well and good. Slide em on the beach, let em flop around, wiggle the hook out and kick em back in! Yay, they stayed dry, and practiced C&R!
Did I say slide it up on the beach, yup the runners get wet but the fish never leaves the water. Geez Dan you guys sure like to jump to your concludsions dont ya.... ;D
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Actually you're the one jumping to conclusions. Dan did not mention anything about you??
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I would add these to the list;
You wade into a river, oblivious to schools of fish porpoising right in front of you, move past them into deeper water then cast desperately towards the far bank
You insist on getting a c&r photo with your fish no matter how many times you drop it on the rocks.
You set the hook so hard you nearly fall into the river.
You bb and kill a wild steely then post a hero shot.
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Did I say slide it up on the beach, yup the runners get wet but the fish never leaves the water. Geez Dan you guys sure like to jump to your concludsions dont ya.... ;D
Feel free to reread what I said, except this time dont place yourself as the subject of my post, but a generalization towards those who dont wear waders. As you said, your runners get wet, and the fish doesnt leave the water. That right there shows a respect for the fish, which is all I could ever ask for with anglers. Although my post did follow yours, it was not directed towards you specifically. Had it been, I would have quoted, or named you. My point is simply, C&R without due care and attention is worthless, and I dont like seeing it. Thats all.
Actually you're the one jumping to conclusions. Dan did not mention anything about you??
I can see how one could assume I was directing my comments towards them, but it would be assumtions, and I dont call people on stuff with a passive attitude. But, the guy seems to be on the defensive a bit in regards to this whole thread, and some comments, so I cant really hold it against him.
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I'm a beek then because I use a spinning reel. Not by choice though! Poverty made the decision for me! ;)
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Youre all BEEKS and now Im a beek for reading every post