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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing Reports => Members' Fishing Reports => Topic started by: rickjames_2 on September 18, 2012, 10:21:51 PM
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Fished the Canal for the last two hours of the day. Found a nice little spot but it was a little busy. Fished well below them for a while just to see how things were going. Springs and some Coho were being hooked. Waited till the spot was clear and tried it for myself. About my 5th cast short floating some roe, got into a nice chrome Jack Spring. :) A good end to the day. Hope this helps.
Sláinte mhaith.
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Good to hear you got one :) congrats on the chrome jack
I was fishing mid river and hit a big spring i decided to release. A buck in the low 20's bit of a yellow belly and no berries for me to cure.
Maybe it can share its genetics ;D
Busy day on the river and 4/5 anglers around me were using 7+ ft leaders... i thought the fraser was 20 km in the other direction but i guess im wrong ;D ::)
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Busy day on the river and 4/5 anglers around me were using 7+ ft leaders... i thought the fraser was 20 km in the other direction but i guess im wrong ;D ::)
Yeah, I unfortunately noticed the same thing with most of the people fishing. Sadly, I think I have come to expect it when fishing that stretch of water.
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Their excuse was "they aren't biting right now" so we have to snag them... as i catch a 20 lb + fish with a piece of shrimp on 18" leader...
Right.. they aren't biting wool.. that's correct.
Try something ??? else, o yeah i forgot, can't get their hands dirty ::) its so difficult to try new things ;D
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Yea Springs love shrimp, seen people outfish everyone on shrimp and done it myself a few times. Sometimes add a corky when the rivers a little higher.
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toss a little chunk died pink and that usually does it for me.
if the water is super clear all you need is a little chunk for sent. i dress it with chartreuse wool for added killfactor. the good ol' pink/green combo
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Thanks for the reports guy's I have a couple days off this week so even though its majorly low I think I'll take a peek. And thanks Brian for the tips on the shrimp for the springs. I've used it often for Steelies but never for springs so that will definitely be part of my list to bring this trip.
Sorry to hear about the 7 ft. + leaders. So unfortunate that people feel a need to fish that way on a river that has great visibility and with so many fish willing to bite. Hopefully we get a little rain near the end of this week as there will be a boatload coming in once we get some.
Thanks again for the reports !!! ;D 8) ;D
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Their excuse was "they aren't biting right now" so we have to snag them... as i catch a 20 lb + fish with a piece of shrimp on 18" leader...
Right.. they aren't biting wool.. that's correct.
Try something ??? else, o yeah i forgot, can't get their hands dirty ::) its so difficult to try new things ;D
You could try to be a little bit less sarcastic when you talk about trying other things. There are many among us who prefer to use artificials only because using bait is equal to 'feeding the fish' rather than 'tricking the fish to bite'. And no, we don't need the long leaders.
FWIW, assuming the same water conditions, the use of bait requires little skill compared to fishing with artificials of any kind - be it plastics, metal or feathers.
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You could try to be a little bit less sarcastic when you talk about trying other things. There are many among us who prefer to use artificials only because using bait is equal to 'feeding the fish' rather than 'tricking the fish to bite'. And no, we don't need the long leaders.
FWIW, assuming the same water conditions, the use of bait requires little skill compared to fishing with artificials of any kind - be it plastics, metal or feathers.
Still using the roe flies Milo? ;D
I just hate using bait because you're right, I do hate to get my hands dirty. I do however do quite well and beach over 100 coho a year on average (I cheat though being on the island last few years). Last year chucking metal in 2 days on the Vedder I got 24 to the beach. Roe/prawns/worms/etc isn't the be all end all, in fact as I said in a thread earlier this year, I out fish a lot of roe chuckers for coho and do better with hardware and flies than roe myself generally for coho.
Springs on the other hand as your were describing, are definitely more keen to hit roe/shrimp than a spoon. I still get them fairly often, but good roe is definitely the best thing to use as far as that goes.
What I'm trying to say is that bait isn't required. Many old timers only use a small piece of peach wool and probably out fish most of us out there. And no they aren't flossing ::) Sometimes smaller is just better in low clear water.
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Still using the roe flies Milo? ;D
I haven't been fishing much this season, but I did try them out on what proved to be a horribly slow day even for bait chuckers.
I am sure looking forward to using them again this season.
It was funny the other day on the river...myself and a friend fishing artificials without nary a bite, and these young ones show up asking us how we were doing. We said very slow and they proceeded to put some nice looking goo on their hooks and fish the run with us. Sure enough, not long after that they both hooked into some decent looking spring jacks.
One of the youngsters took pity on our lack of success and offered us some of his roe. I politely refused and said I would stick to my artificials.
"But why don't you want something that will catch you fish for sure?"
"Because it would be too easy", was my reply. ;)
The kid just shook his head, but I could almost see his trying to grasp onto my 'twisted' logic.
All that said, I have been known to bring a couple of single egg sacks with me for those days when catching a fish or two is high on my priority list. ;D
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On the subject of artificial baits(lures, flies, ties, and imitations):
Personally, most of my fishing in the past has been with artificials. In particular chucking metal and casting flies(muddlers for the most part). This is the first year I have been really goin hard at it with bait. Honestly, I hate the mess of roe. But I am goin for success rate above all. Reason being is that I have 3 close friends that want me to teach them to fish this season, I just want to make sure they have a good first experience with the sport and turn them into lifelong fishermen and women. This is why I have been going heavy on bait and it has been working.
I can entirely understand the challenge of actually tricking them Milo. It's part of the thrill and why I am getting more and more into fly fishing.
I have definitely been eyeing up those roe flies on the buy and sell Every Day ;D might have to grab some from ya soon.
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With these roe flies, do you have to add weight to get them down into the zone when drifting through a run with some current? I assume you use a sinking tip with a fairly short leader, but is this enough to sink the fly in time before you get to the end of the drift?
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Have not fished the roe fly, but in clear water conditions like this use a short fluorocarbon leader. Fluoro sinks in water and will help get the fly down. Also after having cast the fly give a mend upstream. This mend will give your fly more time to sink into the strike zone of the fish.
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With these roe flies, do you have to add weight to get them down into the zone when drifting through a run with some current? I assume you use a sinking tip with a fairly short leader, but is this enough to sink the fly in time before you get to the end of the drift?
To be honest I haven't used them all that much for salmon on the fly. When I have it has been on East Coast Van Isle flows that were slow, so a clear intermediate sink tip was enough to get them down in most cases. Most people that buy these from me tend to fish them under a float with split shot to get them down, and when fishing steelhead that is also what I do with great success. It's funny too, because when I'v been fishing cutthroat and rainbows it hasn't even mattered if it's sunk, lots of times they hit it before that!
I do tie them weighted for fly fishermen... can add dumbell eyes, beads, and lead wrap core which gets them down fast.
I would also recommend the small sizes (3 egg or 2 egg) as the 5 eggs pack a lot of weight/drag and are a pain to cast on single handers (not sure about spey though).
Cheers,
Dan
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I saw on Sportfishing on the fly not long ago and they were fishing on the Skeena for Coho and Springs; these guys were weighing down their leader with three or four split shots depending on the current conditions and using a six foot leader tied to a fly and the Cohos were pounding them. I wanted to try this on the Vedder but fear that people might think that I am BBing and give me heck.
What are your thoughts fellas?
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Don't worry about what others have to say as long as it's not illegal. If you concern youreslf what others are going to say, you're not going to do much fishing. Some people will always criticize whether it be your tackle, method of fishing, bait, colour of your raincoat etc. etc.
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I saw on Sportfishing on the fly not long ago and they were fishing on the Skeena for Coho and Springs; these guys were weighing down their leader with three or four split shots depending on the current conditions and using a six foot leader tied to a fly and the Cohos were pounding them. I wanted to try this on the Vedder but fear that people might think that I am BBing and give me heck.
What are your thoughts fellas?
on those episodes on the skeena, they are using slinkies and bottom bouncing with flies, they are flossing and snagging them and its painfully hilarious
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I saw on Sportfishing on the fly not long ago and they were fishing on the Skeena for Coho and Springs; these guys were weighing down their leader with three or four split shots depending on the current conditions and using a six foot leader tied to a fly and the Cohos were pounding them. I wanted to try this on the Vedder but fear that people might think that I am BBing and give me heck.
What are your thoughts fellas?
As long as you are using a fly rod, you are OK. ;D
But in all seriousness, that method you describe is called chuck and duck, as there is no such thing as a controlled back cast with several splitshots on your leader.
When distance doesn't matter, it is a deadly fly fishing method, as it gets the fly in the zone in no time. Use it without hesitation.
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http://forum.flybc.ca/index.php?showtopic=36551
http://forum.flybc.ca/index.php?s=&showtopic=36136&view=findpost&p=426469
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I saw on Sportfishing on the fly not long ago and they were fishing on the Skeena for Coho and Springs; these guys were weighing down their leader with three or four split shots depending on the current conditions and using a six foot leader tied to a fly and the Cohos were pounding them. I wanted to try this on the Vedder but fear that people might think that I am BBing and give me heck.
What are your thoughts fellas?
Few years back, i saw 4 flyfishermen were using 3 inches of pencil lead and long leader to catch coho and springs,so is it right or wrong ::)
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on those episodes on the skeena, they are using slinkies and bottom bouncing with flies, they are flossing and snagging them and its painfully hilarious
What he said is true. Its a black mark on an otherwise great show.
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http://forum.flybc.ca/index.php?showtopic=36551
http://forum.flybc.ca/index.php?s=&showtopic=36136&view=findpost&p=426469
Checked this discussion well the first page. ::)
If they want to know if they floss them all they have to do just check the hook placement as 90% of the time they are caught in the hinge, so simple but I guess they are afraid to look. ;D ;D
Off to the "Blue Cup" for some short floating. :D :D ;D
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I'm not dissing wool.. not any other artificials. i tie my own flies and use wool my self when anything else i am using isn't working.
I was simply implying to the people who dress a hook and chuck a very long leader that there are other options and methods to try..
sorry for the sarcasm.
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Don't worry about what others have to say as long as it's not illegal. If you concern youreslf what others are going to say, you're not going to do much fishing. Some people will always criticize whether it be your tackle, method of fishing, bait, colour of your raincoat etc. etc.
^^^I call absolute BS on this.
You SHOULD worry about things even if they're legal. USE YOUR MORAL JUDGEMENT AND ETHICS.
Do you feel what your'e doing is ethical? Can you sleep at night doing what you're doing? Then good for you, go ahead.
If you answered NO to either of the above questions, then take another look at your motivations and maybe reconsider.
Happy fishing and good luck!
:)
Tex
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^^^I call absolute BS on this.
You SHOULD worry about things even if they're legal. USE YOUR MORAL JUDGEMENT AND ETHICS.
Do you feel what your'e doing is ethical? Can you sleep at night doing what you're doing? Then good for you, go ahead.
If you answered NO to either of the above questions, then take another look at your motivations and maybe reconsider.
Happy fishing and good luck!
:)
Tex
What fish assassin is saying is that flossing is not "immoral" because it is "legal." ie: If you are not breaking the law, then it is not unethical. The question for you is why are you fishing? If the reason you are fishing is to catch fish for the BBQ (and you would use a net if they would let you), then it is it is fine and you should not care if people around you call it bottom bouncing, because bottom bouncing is not illegal as long as the fish is hooked in the mouth. This is of course "wrong" and the law should be changed to reflect that, but as long the law does not distinguish between a fish snagged in the mouth and and fish hook willingly in the mouth, we have to live with it. However, if you are a "Sport" fisherman (that is, if you are interested in being "sporting" about catching fish, then you want to make sure the fish is chasing the fly, or at very least is moving to intercept a drifted fly and taking it willingly. If this is the case, you should avoid using this method. While the use of the split shots alone does not make this method questionable, the use of the longer (6 foot) leader does. A 6 foot leader is necessary when fishing moderately to slow moving currents, even longer in still back water if they are clear. When you are fish currents so fast that you need 4 spit shots to get the fly down, then the 6 foot leader is counter productive as the flies rides up higher than the weights. When I find myself attaching a split shot or two to my fly line (and I have done so on many occasions), I would have already shortened my leader to 3 feet or less. For you to use both, I can only suspect, as would others on the river around you, that the only reason you are using the longer leader in conjunction with the added weight (and 4 shots is a lot of weight) is to hope to long line a fish. So if that is your intention, then I think you just need to ask yourself that question. Why am I doing this? Fly fishing is the ultimate "sport" fishing, where you are not only fooling the fish into taking the hook willingly, but doing so by fooling it with a fly you tied up yourself. Why would you want to floss a fish with a fly rod, when a drift rod would be so much easier.
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What fish assassin is saying is that flossing is not "immoral" because it is "legal." ie: If you are not breaking the law, then it is not unethical. The question for you is why are you fishing? If the reason you are fishing is to catch fish for the BBQ (and you would use a net if they would let you), then it is it is fine and you should not care if people around you call it bottom bouncing, because bottom bouncing is not illegal as long as the fish is hooked in the mouth. This is of course "wrong" and the law should be changed to reflect that, but as long the law does not distinguish between a fish snagged in the mouth and and fish hook willingly in the mouth, we have to live with it. However, if you are a "Sport" fisherman (that is, if you are interested in being "sporting" about catching fish, then you want to make sure the fish is chasing the fly, or at very least is moving to intercept a drifted fly and taking it willingly. If this is the case, you should avoid using this method. While the use of the split shots alone does not make this method questionable, the use of the longer (6 foot) leader does. A 6 foot leader is necessary when fishing moderately to slow moving currents, even longer in still back water if they are clear. When you are fish currents so fast that you need 4 spit shots to get the fly down, then the 6 foot leader is counter productive as the flies rides up higher than the weights. When I find myself attaching a split shot or two to my fly line (and I have done so on many occasions), I would have already shortened my leader to 3 feet or less. For you to use both, I can only suspect, as would others on the river around you, that the only reason you are using the longer leader in conjunction with the added weight (and 4 shots is a lot of weight) is to hope to long line a fish. So if that is your intention, then I think you just need to ask yourself that question. Why am I doing this? Fly fishing is the ultimate "sport" fishing, where you are not only fooling the fish into taking the hook willingly, but doing so by fooling it with a fly you tied up yourself. Why would you want to floss a fish with a fly rod, when a drift rod would be so much easier.
I couldn't of said it better Sandman, I would only add at the end, "Why do you feel a need or want to floss on a river where the fish will readily bite your lure so easily." I understand flossing on the Fraser but in the Vedder visibility is so much better, and the fish will attack your bait with vigour.
Good Fishing All !!!
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Guys,
Calm down! I was only asking a hypothetical question because for the most part, other than chucking hardware, I am a short-floater and enjoy this method very much. In fact I have never ever BB'ed on the Vedder/Chilliwack in all the years I have fished there. May I make one suggestion fellas...whenever someone put up a statement or topic of discussion, then lets discuss and share our views without landing on any one with a ton of bricks. After all, its only the sport of fishing to be enjoyed, even when we share our knowledge.
Cheers everyone!
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I woúldn't take these comments personally ICA. They seem to be less directed at your post and more at the frustration over questionable fishing methods that are typically widely used on the Vedder this time of year. Based on my personal interactions on river, I believe that a large majority of people that are flossing (with fly rod, float and long leader or not) don't actually realize what they are doing. I appreciate that the experienced and more articulate anglers on this forum are able describe why certain methods are not preferred and why. Many people read these forums and it's probably the most efficient way to educate.
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Good point and absolutely no offence taken whatsoever. Thanks again fellas for your thoughts which are always interesting for the most part.
Happy fishing! ;D