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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: bbronswyk2000 on September 09, 2012, 02:00:31 PM
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So Milo and I went out fishing yesterday. On our home we drove over the Mission bridge. I noticed a bunch of bar fishermen under the bridge. I said to him " Did you know their was a bait ban in affect? " he answered yes as you told me. So that brought me to this question. How is every angler supposed to know that it is in place right now? I bet those fishermen had no clue that it was in affect otherwise they wouldnt be doing it. Its not like their are any signs posted anywhere. The only reason I knew was because I saw it on my Facebook the other day. Should anglers be checking the updated regs online everyday before going fishing? What if an angler does not have internet access? Lots of old timers do not even use a computer, what options do they have? Should they be visiting a tackle shop every time they head out? What if the tackle shops are closed ( I know many are closed on Sundays )
Should these fishermen under the bridge be ticketed? My answer is no.
How hard would it be for every angler to be emailed the in season changes? Once every anglers email has been entered in all it takes is one email which would take no more than a couple minutes to get them the updated regs. For those with no internet access the only way I can see them knowing is by word of mouth.
Thoughts?
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It is the responsibility of every angler to know the current regulations BEFORE they go fishing. If you don't know, don't fish. Saying you don't have internet access or that you didn't know is a poor excuse at best.
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Didn't MFO/DFO at one time put up physical posters when regs changed?
It is the responsibility of every angler to know the current regulations BEFORE they go fishing. If you don't know, don't fish. Saying you don't have internet access or that you didn't know is a poor excuse at best.
That is true to an extent but what about in season changes? is one suppose to call the tackle shop or DFO before they go out? What if they are closed? Does that mean one better not go fishing in case the regs were changed? Yes there are many older people that do not even know how to use a computer either or have one.
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One fishing buddy of mine calls the Berrys Bait hotline for in season changes, or asks at the tackle shop etc.
Not perfect better than nothing.
Maybe warnings can be issued, or as in the past signs posted in popular access areas as well.
But we all know its up to each angler to be up to date, even when enforcement often isnt.
There are so many updates for every region tidal and fresh, I wouldn't want that tsunami in my email inbox.
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People who have internet should join a fishing forum like this one.i'm fairly new to fishing but I find this site very helpful.I find that everytime there is a bait ban some members will inform others of what's going on via a forum topic like this, also lets you know of what is allowed and not allowed for the baitban.before I go fishing I always try my best to look up the regs and understand them.I think they should make a lil booklet or pamphlet that should be given out to people when they purchase their license.
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People who have internet should join a fishing forum like this one.i'm fairly new to fishing but I find this site very helpful.I find that everytime there is a bait ban some members will inform others of what's going on via a forum topic like this, also lets you know of what is allowed and not allowed for the baitban.before I go fishing I always try my best to look up the regs and understand them.I think they should make a lil booklet or pamphlet that should be given out to people when they purchase their license.
Anyone without internet access has access to the internet through their local library, my wife would be happy to show you how, so that is no excuse. It is not the DFOs responsibility to send you a personal update. They post the information online and it is your responsibility to check before you go fishing. They do still post physical posters, but these are probably fewer and further between with all the cutbacks. They DO provide a booklet which you can pickup when you buy your license, but perhaps vendors could could hand them out with each license instead of relying on you to pick it up, however that does not help with the in season changes. The bottom line is that regulations change frequently and if you want to fish in today's world, you need to educate yourself on how to keep abreast of those changes or risk breaking the law. Ignorance is still no excuse.
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Just got back from checking out the river on tidal side and DFO was out with two trucks heavily enforcing the bait ban/fishing regulations. A couple people got nailed it looked like.
Like others have said already it's your responsibility as a fishermasn with a valid license to know in season changes exist, especially on fraser this time of year. Ignorance is such a lame excuse, people caught using bait on bait banned rivers I have no sympathy for. If you don't know, don't fish. not that hard.
Officer also told me all bait is included in the ban, including all baits for sturgeon fishing, chub fishing etc. if it's bait it's not allowed.
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So Milo and I went out fishing yesterday. On our home we drove over the Mission bridge. I noticed a bunch of bar fishermen under the bridge. I said to him " Did you know their was a bait ban in affect? " he answered yes as you told me. So that brought me to this question. How is every angler supposed to know that it is in place right now? I bet those fishermen had no clue that it was in affect otherwise they wouldnt be doing it. Its not like their are any signs posted anywhere. The only reason I knew was because I saw it on my Facebook the other day. Should anglers be checking the updated regs online everyday before going fishing? What if an angler does not have internet access? Lots of old timers do not even use a computer, what options do they have? Should they be visiting a tackle shop every time they head out? What if the tackle shops are closed ( I know many are closed on Sundays )
Should these fishermen under the bridge be ticketed? My answer is no.
How hard would it be for every angler to be emailed the in season changes? Once every anglers email has been entered in all it takes is one email which would take no more than a couple minutes to get them the updated regs. For those with no internet access the only way I can see them knowing is by word of mouth.
Thoughts?
Of course they should be ticketed. You said a "bunch" of bar fishermen. Surely one or some of them know the updated regs. Smartphones, iphones, internet, telephones, tackle shops...plenty of ways to find out the regs. Word gets around fast with "oldtimers" as well.
As others have said ignorance is no excuse. If it is it applies to the people fishing with worms and keeping smolts at Capilano as well because i'm sure they are ignorant to the regs.
I'm wondering if your post was a joke? :-\
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Plus the fact it goes into effect about this time every year ???
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Even the website is confusing once you're up there. I don't always even know what the place I'm fishing is called. They should do an interactive site where you click on the location you are fishing and it brings up all the info on that body of water just like the legend on a map. Possibly with cute little icons to represent each limitation at any time. Make it simple to understand even to people who don't speak English.
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There are a fair amount of people that fish that do not often go online or even if they do, they don't check for inseason reg changes before every outing to the river.
However, there are probably more people that do hear about inseason changes online. Between dfo's site, online tackle shop reports, fishing forums, facebook etc the word spreads fast. If everyone that is aware of changes helps spread the word by telling their friends and people on the river, news travels pretty fast.
I absolutely agree it is the responsibility of every angler to know the current regulations BEFORE they go fishing but if you are aware and take the time to mention to other fishing friends or people on the river in conversation and it will help get the word out.
In season changes are one issue because they can change on a days notice. What drives me nuts are people that don't check the everyday regs at all for the river/lake they are fishing. I have had to correct a lot of people lately on regs that are not changes but everyday rules.
Officer also told me all bait is included in the ban, including all baits for sturgeon fishing, chub fishing etc. if it's bait it's not allowed.
Not true. The notice says "You may not use bait when fishing for salmon. You can still fish for sturgeon with bait, thats the only way to fish for them.
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Of course they should be ticketed. You said a "bunch" of bar fishermen. Surely one or some of them know the updated regs. Smartphones, iphones, internet, telephones, tackle shops...plenty of ways to find out the regs. Word gets around fast with "oldtimers" as well.
As others have said ignorance is no excuse. If it is it applies to the people fishing with worms and keeping smolts at Capilano as well because i'm sure they are ignorant to the regs.
I'm wondering if your post was a joke? :-\
Nope not a joke at all. I am saying that the ministry in charge needs to do a better job of getting the information to the anglers. The better they are informed the less margin for error. I dont feel badly for the younger generation getting ticketed for not knowing as the younger generation has no excuse for not checking online. My problem is the older generation that never got into the new technological world.
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I'd highly suggest contacting a dfo authority and asking first hand about sturgeon fishing with bait before you go out.
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.I think they should make a lil booklet or pamphlet that should be given out to people when they purchase their license.
The do make a booklet one for tidal and another one for non-tidal. The non-tidal one is the size of a magazine and the tidal one is the size of roughly about 4"x6" booklet style. Every place that sells a fishiing licence will have them but the problem is that the Government only prints so many copies and once they are gone then thats it till the followiing year. The other issue is that the booklets are good for 3 seasons so any regulation changes that come up one year will not be printed in next years booklet but it will be in there when they print out a new version. I know from first hand experience that tackle shops, well the one that I waas at any wways, will inform their customers to make sure to check the fisheries web site for any in season changes before they go out. They also will post on a board in their store about the changes to regulations.
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These people were bar fishing. So what. You don't have to use bait when bar fishing for springs. Generally a spin and glow is all that is needed. The only time I have used bait when bar fishing was years ago when we could fish for coho.
In fact, we were bar fishing today, without bait, and it is perfectly legal. Too bad the fish didn't like the idea.
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These people were bar fishing. So what. You don't have to use bait when bar fishing for springs. Generally a spin and glow is all that is needed. The only time I have used bait when bar fishing was years ago when we could fish for coho.
In fact, we were bar fishing today, without bait, and it is perfectly legal. Too bad the fish didn't like the idea.
Good luck getting a spin n glo to spin the the lower Fraser......
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Wizard get real,i suggest you slow down and read the regs geesh :o "You may not use bait when fishing for salmon" not going to get a lot of coho on stank bait :o
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as much as it is our responsibility to stay current with the regulations, the ministry has to be equally accountable with giving fair notice...i keep a book of regulations in my car at all times, but i'm not going to check for changes every time i go out...at the very least they should come out with a better system to let people know about any discrepancy....they've come up with online services, why not use the email system to connect with licensees....they already have our angler number why not send updates that way?
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I agree 100%, know the regulations before you fish, ignorance is not an excuse. It's a valuable resource, it's not up to DFO to spoon feed everyone the regulations. Educate yourself or don't complain when you get hit with the ticket.
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why not use the email system to connect with licensees....they already have our angler number why not send updates that way?
Although it is not automatic (it should be), you can sign up for email updates on openings and closures here http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns_reg/index.cfm (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns_reg/index.cfm)
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as much as it is our responsibility to stay current with the regulations, the ministry has to be equally accountable with giving fair notice...i keep a book of regulations in my car at all times, but i'm not going to check for changes every time i go out...at the very least they should come out with a better system to let people know about any discrepancy....they've come up with online services, why not use the email system to connect with licensees....they already have our angler number why not send updates that way?
i guess i repeated what was originally posted, but i still believe there has to be a better system... if it wasn't for websites like fwr, i'm sure most of us would be out of touch with current affairs... i believe in knowing the regs, but i also believe in fair play.
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Although it is not automatic (it should be), you can sign up for email updates on openings and closures here http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns_reg/index.cfm (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns_reg/index.cfm)
i think the problem with that system is they bombard you with every changes, not only pertaining to sport fishing, but also commercial...not to mention every region in the book.
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And you can also Browse Notices by Fishery .
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I am signed up for the notice emails, but have it set to "Recreational Salmon" and "Region 2"
Keeps me up to date without all the unnesasary emails. Anything else I will look up before traveling to another region.
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Old uncle Bill is probably bar fishing under a bridge somewhere with bait this time of year, only gets out to fish in the fall. Doesn't know one salmon species from the next except that it belongs on his bbq -- let alone what regs are in effect
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Officer also told me all bait is included in the ban, including all baits for sturgeon fishing, chub fishing etc. if it's bait it's not allowed.
The officer is wrong, as they can be at times since they are enforcers, not managers who put the regulations together. The current bait ban only applies to salmon fishing, as indicated in the fishery notice.
A reminder, and as announced in the 2011-13 Freshwater Salmon Supplement, the
following measures will be implemented to protect Interior Fraser River Coho
and to provide selective opportunities for Chinook and Chum Salmon.
Information on sockeye opportunities are announced in separate fishery notices.
During this critical migration time for Interior Fraser coho, the recreational
community is requested to fish selectively when fishing for Chinook and
Chum. The first principle of selective harvest is to avoid catching non-
targeted stocks. This means that anglers are requested to use angling methods
that do not catch coho.
Fraser River - in the non-tidal waters of the Fraser River, from the CPR Bridge
at Mission to the Highway #1 bridge at Hope
Effective one hour before sunrise Thursday, September 6, 2012 until one hour
after sunset, Monday, October 8, 2012:
You may not fish for Coho Salmon, and
You may not use bait when fishing for salmon.
You may selectively fish for the following species:
- Chinook Salmon, the daily limit is four (4) per day, only one of which may
exceed 62 cm.
- Chum Salmon, the daily limit is two (2) per day.
- Pink Salmon, the daily limit is two (2) per day.
Fraser River - from the Highway #1 bridge at Hope to Sawmill Creek
Effective one hour before sunrise Saturday, September 8, 2012 until one hour
after sunset, Saturday, October 13, 2012:
You may not fish for Coho Salmon, and
You may not use bait when fishing for salmon.
You may selectively fish for the following species:
- Chinook Salmon, the daily limit is four (4) per day, only one of which may
exceed 62 cm.
- Chum Salmon, the daily limit is two (2) per day.
- Pink Salmon, the daily limit is two (2) per day.
Fraser River - from the confluence with Sawmill Creek to the Alexandra Bridge
Effective Monday, September 17, 2012 until Monday, December 31, 2012 you may
not fish for salmon.
Notes:
Sport anglers and guides are reminded to label and submit heads from adipose
fin-clipped (hatchery-marked) Chinook salmon to the Salmon Head
Recovery Program. Recovery of coded-wire tags from recreational fishers
provides critical information for coast-wide stock assessment. For more
information and locations of Depots contact the Salmon Sport Head Recovery
Program at (866) 483-9994 or visit the following site: http://www.pac.dfo-
mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/tag-etiquette/prize-prix-eng.htm
Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation? If so, please call
the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line
at (800) 465-4336.
For the 24 hour recorded opening and closure line, call toll free at (866) 431-
FISH.
For more information please contact the local DFO office in your area.
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0800
Sent September 6, 2012 at 0801
With that being said, no one should pretend to be fishing for trout, char or steelhead with roe right now. There is a reason behind these regulations and it's up to us to make informed choices to protect what we are all trying to conserve.
There is a slight possibility that the anglers who BB and Milo saw were bar fishing with spin n' glow as the river current in the tidal portion (close to Mission) of the Fraser River is actually quite strong, even during the outgoing tides. Without seeing up close what they were doing, it's difficult to say. BB does raise a good question on the distribution of seasonal regulation changes. The fishery notice system is not bad, you can definitely select and filter which notices you want to get in your inbox. I've chosen to receive all recreational fishery related notices so I get them perhaps once every few days in the summer. On this website, links to the notices are published on the homepage, news section and the discussion forum. They are also posted on our Facebook page and Twitter feed immediately so we can reach as many people as possible.
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I just started the email notice ...goes to my email on my phone seems to work pretty well just set the regions you want to follow
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Why have they not implemented a written test for an angler number (similar to a hunter number) and within the test educate on such issues (among other things) as how to get in season changes and why they are there?
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no more cash grabs we have enough already,but it should be if you cant read or write english then no licence.
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Why have they not implemented a written test for an angler number (similar to a hunter number) and within the test educate on such issues (among other things) as how to get in season changes and why they are there?
A question i'm sure myself and many anglers have asked ourselves...
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Why have they not implemented a written test for an angler number (similar to a hunter number) and within the test educate on such issues (among other things) as how to get in season changes and why they are there?
Your kidding right? People who fail the test will just fish without a licence. The government will not hire more officers so who would be there to enforce?
Like Rantalot said we dont need anymore government cash grabs either...The boating course is already a bloody joke!!!
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I am all for following the law, coming from Alberta, where everything is spelled out in the regulations and they do not make changed until the new regulations come out. I think this constant changing of regulations leaves many people exposed. I am signed up for the e-mails, butother then that, this is probably the only province where a regulation can change overnight.
If the bait bans are consistant, they should be written in the regulations to prevent the amount of confusion the current system brings.
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Your kidding right? People who fail the test will just fish without a licence. The government will not hire more officers so who would be there to enforce?
Like Rantalot said we dont need anymore government cash grabs either...The boating course is already a bloody joke!!!
Well if we all think that way then of course it won't work.
That's kind of like saying we shouldn't have laws because some people are going to break them anyway. Those people you speak of that would fail the test and fish without a license, most likely already fish without a license or don't care enough about the regulations to follow them in the first place.
As for a cash grab, if you complain about cuts to the services but don't want to pay "taxes" or "licensing" then where do you think the money is going to come from? Don't get me wrong, it's not all taxes and fees. I also realize the mismanagement of the resource and the bureaucratic bafoonery is a problem. Just saying.. ;)
Anyway, back to the original topic. Ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law. There are multiple ways of getting the information on regulation changes and there should be no excuse why you can't check before you go.
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I am all for following the law, coming from Alberta, where everything is spelled out in the regulations and they do not make changed until the new regulations come out.
When was the last time you fished for salmon in Alberta?
Here in BC, salmon and steelhead regs are subject to change based on escapement and other conservation needs that vary based on numbers of fish and fish timing.
The rest of the rules for other fish species and lake fishing are spelled out and don't change in the middle of the year.
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If the bait bans are consistant, they should be written in the regulations to prevent the amount of confusion the current system brings.
Actually, the dates of this bait ban and other management measures for the Fraser River have been listed in the online regulations since the beginning of the year, they're not changes that were announced in the last minute. The critical migration period when these management measures are taken have been implemented since the late 1990's, but it has only been in the last couple of years that they are not announced in the last minute. I made the suggestions at SFAC that they should have these dates planned out earlier in the year so anglers are more prepared and can plan out their trips better. The dates are not the same each year because the run timing is not exact every year. We have so many uncertainties in openings and closures is due to the unpredictable salmon returns. Continuous estimates during the run determine if escapement can be reached and how much surplus is available for retention.
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Bobo raises a VERY valid point. It is easy for us computer-savvy people in our prime (or thereabouts) to get all righteous and say "ignorance is no excuse", but just stop and think for a moment...you are a 70-80 year old pensioner who chose not to get (or couldn't get) into the computer age, your old lady gives you some crap after church on Sunday, and you decide to hit the river with a bar rig and some roe to get away from everything for a few hours.
What are your options as to being up-to-date with in-season changes, especially those overnight ones they hit us with sometimes?
Nothing is available on Sunday, there are few tackle shops left, the public library is closed, there's no signs on the river where you fish...if I were a CO, I'd probably give an elder gent a break the first time - give him a warning and confiscate his bait. When you are on fixed income, even a parking ticket can set you back big time, let alone a fishing regulation violation ticket. Remember that not all offenders are created equal and a little bit of sympathy goes a long way. Especially for the elderly among us.
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Ignorance of the law is not a defense. Whether it be fishing regulations, municipal bylaws or the criminal code of Canada. Just cause you weren't aware that your actions were wrong does not absolve you of the repercussions and that has been the way it is for generations. 70 years old or 7 years old its all the same in the eyes of the government.
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as much as it is our responsibility to stay current with the regulations, the ministry has to be equally accountable with giving fair notice...i keep a book of regulations in my car at all times, but i'm not going to check for changes every time i go out...at the very least they should come out with a better system to let people know about any discrepancy....they've come up with online services, why not use the email system to connect with licensees....they already have our angler number why not send updates that way?
Really Blayd? You think DFO should email every one of the tens of thousands of licensees, on the off hand chance some of them might want to know about the recent change in salmon regs on X river, when the few hundred anglers that know they are going out to fish said river can just check the website? Am I the only one that feels this is a bit ridiculous?
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Bobo raises a VERY valid point. It is easy for us computer-savvy people in our prime (or thereabouts) to get all righteous and say "ignorance is no excuse", but just stop and think for a moment...you are a 70-80 year old pensioner who chose not to get (or couldn't get) into the computer age, your old lady gives you some crap after church on Sunday, and you decide to hit the river with a bar rig and some roe to get away from everything for a few hours.
What are your options as to being up-to-date with in-season changes, especially those overnight ones they hit us with sometimes?
Nothing is available on Sunday, there are few tackle shops left, the public library is closed, there's no signs on the river where you fish...if I were a CO, I'd probably give an elder gent a break the first time - give him a warning and confiscate his bait. When you are on fixed income, even a parking ticket can set you back big time, let alone a fishing regulation violation ticket. Remember that not all offenders are created equal and a little bit of sympathy goes a long way. Especially for the elderly among us.
Public libraries are open Sundays. My wife would be happy to help your 70 year old pensioner get his updates off the website.
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Really Blayd? You think DFO should email every one of the tens of thousands of licensees, on the off hand chance some of them might want to know about the recent change in salmon regs on X river, when the few hundred anglers that know they are going out to fish said river can just check the website? Am I the only one that feels this is a bit ridiculous?
You do realize that they would only have to send ONE email and not tens of thousands right? It would take all of 30 seconds to send off to everyone.
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What did we do before email/internet? ::)
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You do realize that they would only have to send ONE email and not tens of thousands right? It would take all of 30 seconds to send off to everyone.
Yeah but do thousands of Fishermen that do not fish the fraser want an update on the fraser? And you have to send thousands or thousands will not receive them. Just because the one email you type gets copied 10 000 times, doesn't mean you are not sending 10 000 emails. It is call spam for a reason. No thank you. The information is available if you really wanted it.
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You can request an email already, just do it.
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Public libraries are open Sundays. My wife would be happy to help your 70 year old pensioner get his updates off the website.
Would she?
She's an angel then. Most library clerks couldn't care less these days. All they do is point you to a computer and tell you to follow the prompts. ::)
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Interesting thread. I have a question for the more experienced fishermen out there. Say I'm going to fish the Puntledge River on Vancouver Island. Being a responsible fishermen I go read the 2011-2013 Freshwater Regulations Synopsis and find the following:
- Closed all year downstream of the BC Hydro diversion dam (about 3.5 km downstream of Comox Lake) to the base of Stoltan Falls (about 450 m below the Duncan Bay Mainline logging road bridge)
- Closed all year from signs at hatchery counting fence to signs approx. 75 m downstream of fence
How do you guys go about finding the location of the above ?
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You can request an email already, just do it.
Dont tell me to do it I dont need it. Also dont be condescending
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my dad is one of those close to 70 year old guys that does not even know how to turn a computer on. his friend is even worse...75 years old illiterate and not one of his girls or son in laws that hunt or fish....so he bugs me and dad. dad only knows what i tell him as he has bad eyes...tuff to read with mild glaucauma setting in. so i would hope if something happened to me..that dfo, moe would step up the leaflet and poster campaign for the old timers!
i mean these old timers are the reason most of us are fishing today....no need to kick these guys when they are already feeling pretty down and out. most of these types of fellows have good intentions and like to sit and talk to some young gun just to pass the time.
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Dont tell me to do it I dont need it.
Then I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to the ones that want DFO to email every update to every fisherman in the province so that they do not have to bother doing any work themselves.
Also dont be condescending
Yeah, like this wasn't meant to be condescending:
You do realize that they would only have to send ONE email and not tens of thousands right? It would take all of 30 seconds to send off to everyone.
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i mean these old timers are the reason most of us are fishing today....no need to kick these guys when they are already feeling pretty down and out. most of these types of fellows have good intentions and like to sit and talk to some young gun just to pass the time.
Very well put.
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Really Blayd? You think DFO should email every one of the tens of thousands of licensees, on the off hand chance some of them might want to know about the recent change in salmon regs on X river, when the few hundred anglers that know they are going out to fish said river can just check the website? Am I the only one that feels this is a bit ridiculous?
Yeah but do thousands of Fishermen that do not fish the fraser want an update on the fraser? And you have to send thousands or thousands will not receive them. Just because the one email you type gets copied 10 000 times, doesn't mean you are not sending 10 000 emails. It is call spam for a reason. No thank you. The information is available if you really wanted it.
why is wanting a better system ridiculous? this is not restricted to email alone...if i can set my smart phone to give me updates on specific stats for sports, weather, and fluctuating gas prices...or give me the (DFO) tide chart for any given day...or even check how the ever changing stock market is doing, why can't they come up with an app for regulations that can self update on a regular basis? In this day and age with all the technology available, i can't think of any reason why they can't find a better way of communicating with the public....so called "excuses" can come from either sides.
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if at the least signs can be posted at hot spots.
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if at the least signs can be posted at hot spots.
Thats exactly what I was thinking. Their are only maybe 12 or so really popular spots on the lower fraser where people are consistently bar fishing. I dont know the places in Richmond but we have:
Brownsville bar ( very popular )
Derby Reach
Poplar bar
2 Bit bar
Duncan bar ( very popular )
Mission bridge bar ( very popular )
Anything above Mission CPR bridge is not considered tidal. So their are 6 popular bars from Surrey to Mission. Like I said I am not too familiar with locations lower than Surrey. With even a dozen of popular bars from Richmond - Mission how much money would that cost including time? My guess is very little in the gran scheme of things.
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Thats exactly what I was thinking. Their are only maybe 12 or so really popular spots on the lower fraser where people are consistently bar fishing. I dont know the places in Richmond but we have:
Brownsville bar ( very popular )
Derby Reach
Poplar bar
2 Bit bar
Duncan bar ( very popular )
Mission bridge bar ( very popular )
Anything above Mission CPR bridge is not considered tidal. So their are 6 popular bars from Surrey to Mission. Like I said I am not too familiar with locations lower than Surrey. With even a dozen of popular bars from Richmond - Mission how much money would that cost including time? My guess is very little in the gran scheme of things.
Richmond
No. 3 Rd Pier
No. 2 Rd/ London's Landing
Imperial Landing
Mitchell Island Pier
McDonald Beach Boat Launch
Gary Point
North Arm Stretch
Triangle Beach
Deas Park in Delta
In reality Richmond only has 1 or 2 places where bar fishing for salmon can be successful...i believe Rod frequents these places ;)
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Me??? No... never... ;D
Some very good ideas being suggested, but there is one single reason that prohibits them from being practiced.
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The most cost effective method of information distribution is via different tools on the internet. Distribution of posters at different locations requires manpower, which is already unavailable due to time spent on patrolling fisheries in three different sectors as well as office time.
A good alternative, is to create a core volunteer group to take on this task. The time and effort can come from existing angling clubs, which receive notices, print them, and have volunteers distributing them. Businesses such as our website and local tackle stores already distribute information to our customers, so community-based distribution will cover just about all users. Unfortunately, clubs are already having difficulty recruiting members and some have ended in recent years due to a lack of membership. These tasks also require very dedicated volunteers who are willing to spend a few hours per week in the summer and fall to put up posters at all the locations.
Some may suggest that protection of our fish is DFO and MoE's job so they should be doing this. I say, protection of our fish is everyone's job. If resource is running thin, anglers can pick up the slack by putting in a bit of time to help out.
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Don't even get me started on DFO. First of all bait banning the lower fraser river to protect the coho that are being flossing just up stream. Than if they are lucky enough to make it through the flossers. They will hit a native net on the way up. Takes a respectful man to bust a bunch of oldtimers fishing legit. While there are loosers out flossing upstream. Never mind the nets. Glad to see our license fees and taxes are bring used for something productive.
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Don't even get me started on DFO. First of all bait banning the lower fraser river to protect the coho that are being flossing just up stream. Than if they are lucky enough to make it through the flossers. They will hit a native net on the way up. Takes a respectful man to bust a bunch of oldtimers fishing legit. While there are loosers out flossing upstream. Never mind the nets. Glad to see our license fees and taxes are bring used for something productive.
"Bingo" you sir have nailed the correct.
Not only are people just up river a few miles snagging said endangered Coho, but a large majority of the time they are bonking them as well, along with Interior Steelhead.
Banning bait upstream of Mission bridge is pointless and does nothing, DFO have agreed and promised to revise this for many years.
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Some may suggest that protection of our fish is DFO and MoE's job so they should be doing this. I say, protection of our fish is everyone's job. If resource is running thin, anglers can pick up the slack by putting in a bit of time to help out.
A very valid point that many (not all) anglers forget. If you really do care, get out and volunteer when you can. Everyone is busy and everyone deserves a little down time but even a couple times a year helps out.
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I think I have a solution to this internet/non internet accessibility issue.
You know when you go to the store and there's some poor teenager outside dressed like a mascot for let's say.....a pizza place? So he's dressed like a giant slice of pizza and carrying a sign that says "ask me about my peperoni"
Okay, so the people who know about the bait ban and CARE about the fish stocks and want to protect ENDANGERED species throw on an orange vest, like the ones that traffic control people wear on construction sites.
On the back of the vest it says "Ask me about my bait" and then when people come up and ask you about your bait you say "I'm not using any bait because there's a bait ban in effect! Now go tie on a spoon!" Assuming you don't get a punch in the nose, it's win-win! The vests could have the lettering done in multiple languages too!
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The do make a booklet one for tidal and another one for non-tidal. The non-tidal one is the size of a magazine and the tidal one is the size of roughly about 4"x6" booklet style. Every place that sells a fishiing licence will have them but the problem is that the Government only prints so many copies and once they are gone then thats it till the followiing year. The other issue is that the booklets are good for 3 seasons so any regulation changes that come up one year will not be printed in next years booklet but it will be in there when they print out a new version. I know from first hand experience that tackle shops, well the one that I waas at any wways, will inform their customers to make sure to check the fisheries web site for any in season changes before they go out. They also will post on a board in their store about the changes to regulations.
I never knew about this! But I will be keeping an eye for them.