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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: cohoaaron on January 29, 2012, 07:29:53 PM
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Hey guys. I would like your thoughts on the temple fork outfitters 3113 cp rod...i am looking to upgrade from my stiff trophy xl rod..i cannot afford a sage so i am leaning towards the TFO 3113.. Does anybody even still sell this rod? If not ill buy one used.. Anyways, any thoughts would be appreciated! Thanks.
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Buy a rod with a life time breakage warranty. I have seen you fish. ;D
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Army & Navy sells them, go give one a shake. The slower the action of the rod the more your hook sets will suffer.
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Any idea what they cost?
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Google a phone number for Army & Navy and call them. I think they were around $180 but I'm not even sure if that's close to the right price as the last time I looked at one was over a year ago.
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I am pretty sure thats around the right price...im not even sure anyone sells that rod anymore. I will phone them tommorow and ask... Ive heard the action is similar to a sage 3113...is it stiff?
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It's fairly similar to a sage but so is the amunsden rod. There are other rods out there that are great other than sage.
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Buy a rod with a life time breakage warranty. I have seen you fish. ;D
oh ya right buddy!!! Remember the old trick YOU taught me for getting your line out of a tree??? The "queen charlotte special" :)
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It's fairly similar to a sage but so is the amunsden rod. There are other rods out there that are great other than sage.
okay thanks, should i buy one if i find it? Or is there a better rod in the $200 price range?
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. Ive heard the action is similar to a sage 3113...is it stiff?
They are not the same. The action is stiffer than the sage 3113mb.
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Is the amundson stiffer than the sage 3113?
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cohoaaron i was in the same situation. i myself wanted that rod... here are some links of other threads that regard the TFO CP3113 hope this helps.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=13056.0
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=28478.0
take it easy and tight lines.
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Thanks for the links joska..there are defanetly mixed opinions on this rod..hmmmm
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oh ya right buddy!!! Remember the old trick YOU taught me for getting your line out of a tree??? The "queen charlotte special" :)
care to elaborate on this :-\
i own the amundonson rod, its a nice rod for the money. Lots of play but a nice stiff but for big fish or getting a fish across the rapids. Also a easy rod to cast as it loads alot
another option is a switch rod might cost a bit more but can make a nice pin rod.
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care to elaborate on this :-\
Well...me and fish bonk were fishing in an area with lots of trees so when his line got caught in a tree across the river he showed me a trick called the "queen charlotte special" were you bassically give the rod one un-graceful gear busting jerk in hopes your line will
Come free from the tree.......whos the one thats hard on gear??!
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Well...me and fish bonk were fishing in an area with lots of trees so when his line got caught in a tree across the river he showed me a trick called the "queen charlotte special" were you bassically give the rod one un-graceful gear busting jerk in hopes your line will
Come free from the tree.......whos the one thats hard on gear??!
How is that special? :o
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I have no clue. Thats just what he called it
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how many people that have commented have actually fished both the TFO 3113 and a Sage 3113MB ??
I have owned both and fished the TFO for 2 solid seasons, I also fished my Sage for a few years. They are fairly similar in action however the TFO does have a bit more beef in the bottom end which is actually nicer when fighting springs. on many occasions with big springs and my Sage rod it crossed my mind to just bust the fish off before having my rod snapped.
I sold the pin gear last year and for the few times a year i fish a gear rod i just grab my Sage 2106LB with a Calcutta 200 mounted on it. Love this setup and its WAY lighter than my Sage 3113MB and Hardy Silex by leas and bounds ;D
I say if you cant afford the Sage rod then the TFO is a great rod for the price mark (i paid 189.99 at A&N) and TFO also has a lifetime warranty but they phrase it differently as a (no fault warranty) you just pay per section broken (this was $15/section when i busted my pin rod) which is WAY less than Sages warranty cost of about $65 and if its a custom built brown blank then you are also out the cost of having it re-tied because they only warranty the blank. They do warranty the entire rod on factory built rods though
Happy rod shopping Aaron
PS - maybe look into Gloomis and Lamiglas rods as well
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Thanks alot HOOK awsome awsome info! :) i think i will begin my search for a TFO...........but!! I have ONE last question... Is the TFO 3113 much less of a beefstick than my trophy xl ?? (10'6 8-17lb) because the last thing i want is another stiff beefy rod....
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what's a good pin rod for $250-300? i'm looking for something similar also, sorry for hijacking
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Thanks alot HOOK awsome awsome info! :) i think i will begin my search for a TFO...........but!! I have ONE last question... Is the TFO 3113 much less of a beefstick than my trophy xl ?? (10'6 8-17lb) because the last thing i want is another stiff beefy rod....
the tfo rod is longer, the longer rod allows for longer casts and on those long casts you can have the tip higher keeping line off the water while the trophy isnt as long. it doesn't really answer your question but is something to think about. And the tfo is a better rod and has better warrenty.
edit: read that wrong :-[ they both are about the same action, but the tfo is a bit lighter action, but i have never fished the tfo but i have the trophy.
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Only one year warranty on that TFO. I have one I might be selling...
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im pretty sure the Loomis and Lamiglas rods are more in the $250 + range but still nowhere near the 600+ that Sages are, also should mention that Sage discontinued their gear rods.
Aaron - I havent fished a Trophy rod but when i was looking to buy my first CP setup i didnt like the way it felt when i wiggled it, also really didnt like the Trophy Winter Run reel they had out at the time. I caught every type of salmon/steelhead with my TFO and Sage and enjoyed the play on big hogs right through to 5lb pinks with each setup but then again i enjoy 12" trout on a 4wt ;D
HOOK - If i went back to a cp (which wont happen) i would fish a Milner Kingfisher on a switch rod or spey rod blank because i wouldnt target springs
the 1 yr warranty is for full relacement, the no fault warranty kick in after that or if you break the rod by negligence in the first year. 1st year only covers manufacturing defects
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Only one year warranty on that TFO. I have one I might be selling...
Hey bud we are both in richmond...could i PLEASE see the rod? (maybe buy it if your selling)
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Thanks for all the realy helpful replies HOOK......,..,. Nobody would consider this rod a "meatstick" would they?
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I would recommend the Amundsen 2116M. 11'6, 10-17#. It's like $120 at army navy. It's a great rod. The cork is a bit fat off the rack but you can have it shaved and contoured for cheap or just do it yourself. The length and action are great for cp.
I fished the TFO 3113 for a few weeks this salmon season while I had the cork and seat on my Amundsen redone.
The TFO is rated something like 10-20 or 12-20. It is good for springs, chum. But too much for your average coho, steelhead.
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Oh wow... I didnt think it was rated that much......i think the trouble its going to be getting a TFO i might as well get the amundson......you sure that tfo is rated that heavy?
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I would recommend the Amundsen 2116M. 11'6, 10-17#. It's like $120 at army navy. It's a great rod. The cork is a bit fat off the rack but you can have it shaved and contoured for cheap or just do it yourself. The length and action are great for cp.
I fished the TFO 3113 for a few weeks this salmon season while I had the cork and seat on my Amundsen redone.
The TFO is rated something like 10-20 or 12-20. It is good for springs, chum. But too much for your average coho, steelhead.
I got the Amundson 2113M at Steveston Marine for $60+, (it was boxing week) but listed at $80, Very similar to 2116M, same lenght at 11'6" 8-17lb but at big discount.
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The Amundson has a slower action than the Trophy XL you are talking about, you can also land big springs on it if you want to cork it but i will be getting something heavier next year. It also balances nicer with a heavier reel like a silex.
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FWIW,
I owned this rod for almost five years (trigger seat, not CP, but exactly the same blank) until I broke the tip last fall high-sticking a big Vedder spring. ::)
I tried to get the tip section replacement for the rod through Fred's. Sadly, I was told by TFO that they no longer produced that blank and there was nothing they could do about it. >:(
There is only a ONE YEAR warranty on TFO drift rods. Fly fishing rods are warranted for life, but not the drift rods. Please keep that in mind.
Lats but not least: I had the chance to compare this rod to the Sage 3113 a number of times and in a number of different situations.
There is no comparison. While the Sage is a subtle, sensitive, responsive yet strong and well-rounded fishing tool, the TFO is rather rough with little (if any) sensitivity in the tip.
My advice: stay away from this rod if you are looking at replicating the Sage 3113 action. This one doesn't even come close.
I am currently using the intermediate action 11.5' Trophy drift rod and like it much better than the TFO.
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Thanks for all the info guys...so if i wanted an upgrade from my trophy xl...is the amundson a good choice? I want something lighter and not as meaty as my trophy xl
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It is more sensitive than the Trophy, am not sure if it is lighter especially being a foot longer, good all round rod for fish 4-20lbs, too long for small streams fishing in the bushes IMO but good for anything from say Capilano to Vedder size water. Very durable, deliberately tried to break mine this fall bending it to the cork holding mid 20s springs in swift water with 20lb leader and failed to break it. As Mr P said cork is on the fat side but you can sand it down, depends on your hands really, I find it OK. Balances good with a heavier / bigger reel ie Islander, Silex, Avon, Okuma. If you are looking for something a bit lighter for smaller water I'd go with the 9 or 10' Trophy XL light mooching / bucktail rod which are about 100 bucks and are sweet Coho / Steely sticks.
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Thanks for the info nick! I think ill buy this rod...have you ever hooked pinks in non-ripping water with this rod? Did they put up a good battle on the amundson?
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Its ok but a bit heavy, you seem to want a rod that is perfect for everything and they don't exist. Right now I have the 11'6 Amundson for Steelies and Salmon on the larger rivers and a 9' Trophy for smaller flows. Ideally I would also like a 10'6 noodle like a sage 1106 for bluebacks / pinks and a 9 or 10' heavy mooching / cp rod for beating up big springs with but you can't have everything in life and I would rather keep extending my spey / switch rod collection :)
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Also for pinks get a cheap 9 or 10' 6 or 7wt fly rod, way more fun and often more productive IMO.
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75% of the time i am fly fishing for pinks which is nice..but sometimes i just LOVE to see that float dive....i think this is going to be a pretty good rod for me.....i just hope its not to heavy for coho :o
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Fall Coho put a nice bend in it.
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I just got the Shimano Clarus, it's a ML rod rated for 8-12pld test, 13'. Awesome rod for only $100, just pray you don't hit a spring on it.
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sounds good.. i think i will buy the amundson :) it will even be good for pinks for me as most of the pink salmon float fishing that i will be doing will be in the campbell river (lots of powerful current)....................................THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR TAKING YOUR TIME AND HELPING ME :) feel free to keep posting
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I just got the Shimano Clarus, it's a ML rod rated for 8-12pld test, 13'. Awesome rod for only $100, just pray you don't hit a spring on it.
ya i do LOTS of chum fishin may be a bit light
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aaron id recomend a 10.6 glx if u can afford it i have the 11.3 and love it but the 1o.6 is fine too (sold mine to my dad) but yeah goodluck and dont get a sage cus u wont be happy if it breaks get something thats easy to replace.
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aaron id recomend a 10.6 glx if u can afford it i have the 11.3 and love it but the 1o.6 is fine too (sold mine to my dad) but yeah goodluck and dont get a sage cus u wont be happy if it breaks get something thats easy to replace.
No such thing as a 10.6 glx
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aaron id recomend a 10.6 glx if u can afford it i have the 11.3 and love it but the 1o.6 is fine too (sold mine to my dad) but yeah goodluck and dont get a sage cus u wont be happy if it breaks get something thats easy to replace.
Why do you say sage rods are not easy to replace. I have never had a problem getting my sage "brown blanks" replaced! ::)
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dont get a sage cus u wont be happy if it breaks get something thats easy to replace.
What kind of misinformation is that? ???
Sage has the best no-nonsense lifetime replacement warranty of all rod makers out there. Pay 50 bucks for processing and you get a new rod every time. :)
I wish I could afford my every rod to be a Sage!
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Ya thanks fly-fisher but i seriously need a job. Before i can afford a rod over $300
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Two pieces of total BS. One, there is no 10'6" GLX Pin rod and two, you are trying to argue that a company owned by Shimano has a better warranty than Sage? Sage has the best warranty out there. No matter the reason you broke your rod they will replace it. If that is not enough they still will make limited runs of discontinued rods such as the GSH brown blanks for warranty instead of just sending you the latest model.
Fly Fisher I am guessing that you have never warrantied your 11'3" GLX? or the 10'6" GLX for that matte :Dr. So you are not making this claim from experience because you've never had a Sage rod in for warranty either. Maybe the guy at the tackle shop is the one who told you that the GLX is great for the warranty, trying to make up for the fact that the finish on this rod is crap for what you pay. The blank and guides are really the only two things worth anything. IMO its ridiculous to see a $600 factory rod with $2.00 plastic sliding rings that have been taped with electrical tape to keep your freaking reel on!