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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: ICA on November 16, 2011, 06:22:39 PM
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I know that some people really prefer to use these when Steelheading; Are they available commercially alive or dead? or is there a place where they can be harvested?
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no they are not available commercially you have to pump them back breaking but worth it!!
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I know that some people really prefer to use these when Steelheading; Are they available commercially alive or dead? or is there a place where they can be harvested?
I've seen them in refrigerators at some tackle shops in damp sawdust.
They were mostly alive, but I guess they will definitely die after a while.
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You can pump for them around White Rock. The problem with harvesting them this time of year is the lowest tides are at night.
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Thanks guys for the info. I have seen videos on pumping for these shrimps and wondering if these pumps are available from tackle stores or do we fabricate them ourselves. Thanks again in advance fellas! :)
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You can buy the pumps at most fishing stores. Alvey makes the good ones.
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The problem with harvesting them this time of year is the lowest tides are at night.
I never noticed that before.
I use this site to check tides: http://www.dairiki.org/tides/daily.php/nwm
and if you move through the days, you can see there are "low" low tides early in the morning (4:00am) then they switch to "high" low tides during daylight hours in the following days.
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Do they really give you much of an edge? Seems like a lot of effort to go to when in my admittedly fairly limited experience Steelies will pretty much hammer anything you put in front of them as long as they haven't already seen it drift past several times, especially in the early season.
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A buddy of mine that steelhead fishes a lot (he works at a fishing store in town) says you can see the steelhead chomping on the shrimp.
The float shakes for a bit then finally goes down when the fish finally swallows the shrimp or is fully hooked.
I made a pump a few years ago: http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=22943.0
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I dont live close to the salt water anymore,but when i did,you bet i pumped up bugs.It was fun going there to do so in the anticipation of being rewarded like no other reward,a chrome bullit on the end of your line.Bugs and fresh Boraxed steelhead roe are a one two punch that gets you into fish.I think you now need a saltwater tag to harvest these little critters.
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I dont live close to the salt water anymore,but when i did,you bet i pumped up bugs.It was fun going there to do so in the anticipation of being rewarded like no other reward,a chrome bullit on the end of your line.Bugs and fresh Boraxed steelhead roe are a one two punch that gets you into fish.I think you now need a saltwater tag to harvest these little critters.
Yes you need a tidal licence and I believe the limit is still 50/day. I remember spending one late Christmas eve pumping shrimp for the boxing day derby. Was alot of work for only a handful of shrimp. It seems to me that the numbers have started to drop in certain areas. As good as they are for steelhead I have given up with pumping shrimp and I will stick to roe, spinners, bubble gum worms and my died shrimp. I have pretty good luck with these so I have hardly noticed a difference.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2FJ8lOEk4Q&feature=related
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http://www.sportco.com/store/pc/Willapa-Marine-Products-Shrimp-Gun-Pvc-588p50937.htm
Probably only available down south but a cheaper alternative to the Alvey pump.
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i love ghost shrimp presonally my fav thing to use, escpically in a nice deep slower pool
buddy pumps em and i just give him some money
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buddy pumps em and i just give him some money
that doesn't sound legal
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that doesn't sound legal
well then hows it legal if a store pumps them nd sells them
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well then hows it legal if a store pumps them nd sells them
A commercial licence.
Just say it's gas money.
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There's no such word as "shrimps." Just like there's no such word as "Deers" or "Fishes." Or especially "Salmons" or "Trouts." Shrimp is used in a singular or plural manner, just like deer, fish, salmon, trout. Sorry, just saying. The title of the post stuck out and bugged me a bit. 8)
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Thanks for the correction "Sam6140". It was my mistake.
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There's no such word as "shrimps." Just like there's no such word as "Deers" or "Fishes." Shrimp is used in a singular or plural manner, just like deer or fish. Sorry, just saying. The title of the post stuck out and bugged me a bit.
Since we are being picky, "fishes" is also correct: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fish
plural fish or fishˇes
Thought I'd check for fun and it seems "shrimps" is ok too: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shrimp?show=0&t=1321635938
plural shrimps or shrimp
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for once, I'm going to have to say who cares what that dictionary says. I've been taught that it's incorrect. And it definitely sounds incorrect as well. The comments for that link to FISHES in the dictionary are funny...some guy has the same argument I do.
But regardless, when SPEAKING, I highly doubt anyone would use the word "fishes" or "shrimps." It's easier to write it, not say it. Definitely sounds weird when spoken.
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Getting back to the topic at hand. The last few yrs that i pumped bugs.they were getting harder to find.Maybe that is why D.F.O implemented liescensing and a daily limit.Can remember a few times on different rivers when thats all the steelhead were biting.Then other times they wanted the roe.So one never knows,but having them on me ,upped the confidence level for sure.
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Once you learn how to rig them so they stay alive (LOTS of Wiggle!) you'll soon discover they are The Best for steelhead!
Like a Fat Kid on a Smartie!! ;D
Cheers,
Nog
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Getting back to the topic at hand. The last few yrs that i pumped bugs.they were getting harder to find.Maybe that is why D.F.O implemented liescensing and a daily limit.Can remember a few times on different rivers when thats all the steelhead were biting.Then other times they wanted the roe.So one never knows,but having them on me ,upped the confidence level for sure.
Ghost shrimp are part of the life cycle for other creatures (seabirds and such) and the reduced number of ghost shrimp from harvesting or pollution or... is having a noticeable impact; hence the regulations.
Once you learn how to rig them so they stay alive (LOTS of Wiggle!) you'll soon discover they are The Best for steelhead!
Like a Fat Kid on a Smartie!!
I would not argue with the NOG, however: as pointed out they may be the game saver one day and a waste of time the next.
It was my job (in the sixties) to dig them out of the freshly pumped sand and offer my blood to the fishing gods (once you've dug a couple times you'll get it).
Ghost shrimp are not the magic bullet.
A valueable asset for sure but not the end all be all.
Most Newer guys want to know what's catching them when they should be more concerned with where they are.
Once you've figured out where they like to hang then hone in on the soup de jour.
They work quite often just because they're the most different thing they've seen that day.
P.S. The VEDDAR is not all rivers as some of the newbies seem to think.
Good luck out there but don't put all roe in one basket.
Cheers Nog, You could find fish with rubber bands and toilet paper.
Just the young guys (new) think it's all this or that when it's actually putting this and that together.
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Most Newer guys want to know what's catching them when they should be more concerned with where they are.
VERY true and good advice.
I know a couple older and experienced guys that for the most part use one thing but read and cover water well and know where fish will lie if they are there and they do very well.
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For sure not the "Magic cant miss bait".Some days u wont get a sniff using them.Other days,well reminds of a time when i was fishing a paticular run on the Stamp and it had been fished through just before me(a top rod beat me to the spot).I could see he did not get a bite and left.I moved into the spot and it was game on using bugs.Some say they become more effective later in the season when the fish have been in the flow for abit and become wary.
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Take the wife and/or kids down there they will love chasing you around with the bucket!
Ghost shrimp can be found all over not just white rock, alot of guys walk right over the holes out too far.
Ive also found to have better luck on a dropping tide. (in my spot) Also it is possible to harvest at almost any tide
if you are willing to search. As the tide goes out they go deeper and you work harder. If you find a few work that area hard for a bit.
Also I have never gone through more than 25-30 in a hard day fishing, but i suppose it depends on the type of water you're fishing.
Hope this helps a bit.
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In my mind, there should be a ban on ghost shrimp harvesting for recreational fishing.
It is not responsible to harvest these invertebrates, that are so key to the ecology of the intertidal zone, for recreation, and what is essentially a catch and release fishery.
Use artificials and other natural baits (worms and roe), but leave the little critters in the sand.
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... Just the young guys (new) think it's all this or that when it's actually putting this and that together.
Great Advise!
Learning to READ the water is The Most Significant thing anyone who wishes to be successful can do! Without that, there's not a heck of a lot of point.
I believe the reason they work as well as they do in many occasions is they have wiggle, are the right size, and smell YUMMY to The Quarry!
That, and when everyone else is chucking something different...
Cheers Nog, You could find fish with rubber bands and toilet paper.
I'll take that as a challenge! :D
So watch for that sometime this winter! I'll post when success comes calling on just that set-up! ;D
Cheers,
Nog
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Lol Nog, I can see it now. One pic of a steelie with a wadd of toilet paper hanging out of its mouth and a week later fifty guys chucking around TP on the Vedder ;D
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Lol Nog, I can see it now. One pic of a steelie with a wadd of toilet paper hanging out of its mouth and a week later fifty guys chucking around TP on the Vedder ;D
looooool
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Lol Nog, I can see it now. One pic of a steelie with a wadd of toilet paper hanging out of its mouth and a week later fifty guys chucking around TP on the Vedder ;D
we all laugh now but this is probably gonna happen lmao
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seriously,
on a logical base how one can think such a thing can happen?
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seriously,
on a logical base how one can think such a thing can happen?
one might believe it if there is a picture.
one will try it if there is a video.
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one might believe it if there is a picture.
one will try it if there is a video.
yeah
that is why the "gurus" should post first their own pictures doing that and then can start laughing on poor newbes who just desperately want to learn.
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yeah
that is why the "gurus" should post first their own pictures doing that and then can start laughing on poor newbes who just desperately want to learn.
azafai, lighten up. It was meant in jest; if you really want to learn, read all the posts on FWR and other fishing sites.. If you don't find what you need, just ask ... politely
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I don't think I was impolite .. I just found ridiculing on fellow angler as impolite.
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I don't think I was impolite .. I just found ridiculing on fellow angler as impolite.
Who was being ridiculed?
Taking things a little personal aren't you?
Newbies are often overly eager and will try anything if they think it might work;
EVERYONE wants the shortcut to success, it's human nature.
It's also human nature to find humour in things that rookies try or do, innocent hazing so to speak,
(perhaps because we were all there at one time or another and it helps us remember)
What a lot of folks don't understand is all of the other variables that make for a successful outing.
Some will have the fortune of dumb luck on their first trip,
others may try and try and try again with nothing to show when doing everything right and even though they'd had good success during salmon season.
You can wait for salmon, you have to hunt for steelhead.
P.S. The rubber band will work BUT not because it's a rubber band, But because it gets into the zone and it represents a WORM
(an actual worm or rubber worm would probably be better, but if you don't have one on you, you could cut one of the bands on your leader board).
The toilet paper however, might be a bigger challenge.
(perhaps Charmin; for those soft takes)
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The toilet paper however, might be a bigger challenge.
(perhaps Charmin; for those soft takes)
LOL!!!! :o
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LOL. I remember when i was a kid fishing for trout , if I didn't have worms, I put some white bread in my mouth to wet it and would mold a pics around my hook. I did catch quite a few this way.
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Who was being ridiculed?
Taking things a little personal aren't you?
Newbies are often overly eager and will try anything if they think it might work;
EVERYONE wants the shortcut to success, it's human nature.
It's also human nature to find humor in things that rookies try or do, innocent hazing so to speak,
(perhaps because we were all there at one time or another and it helps us remember)
What a lot of folks don't understand is all of the other variables that make for a successful outing.
Some will have the fortune of dumb luck on their first trip,
others may try and try and try again with nothing to show when doing everything right and even though they'd had good success during salmon season.
You can wait for salmon, you have to hunt for steelhead.
P.S. The rubber band will work BUT not because it's a rubber band, But because it gets into the zone and it represents a WORM
(an actual worm or rubber worm would probably be better, but if you don't have one on you, you could cut one of the bands on your leader board).
The toilet paper however, might be a bigger challenge.
(perhaps Charmin; for those soft takes)
sir, you are taking it too serious.
all that I saw here was first two guys doing a joke with each other and second some others making fun on newbees based on that joke.
I found the second one not right. And since the issue of politeness was mentioned in respond to my post I thought to show where that word should be better referred to.
fishing is nothing more than just a hobby for me. And I am not taking anything personal in this regard.
I am in my fourth year now, received lots of help and support while I was still a rooky, and appreciate that very much. I love to pass that to new comers. And I am aware of nature of humors are made in this hobby.
thanks for your time an reply anyways.
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Where's the day care teacher........? Jk's now how about those ghost shrimp!! I think i'm going to give them a go with my jigs this year! Now i just gotta go catch some!!
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yeah
that is why the "gurus" should post first their own pictures doing that and then can start laughing on poor newbes who just desperately want to learn.
at one point we were all newbes, but there are newbes (like i was) who did their homework and put in the time to learn and experiment....then, there are those who want to catch fish, but not take the effort nor time and disappointment in due process.
in this age of web technology and google, if one can't see the difference between sound advice and mild humour in the post, then that person obviously hasn't put in enough hours to show their true desire of the sport.