Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: ihatefisheadsoup on October 17, 2011, 09:58:26 AM
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"wool or roe thats the question" rescently I have been going to the vedder canal every weekend. every time I go home empty handed. I am not mad or anything because after all its fishing:) I have been using roe for most of the time(not a single bite) I tried to use as little as I could on my size 4 hook, because I far as I know coho will take small presentation. I see almost everyone is using single egg size wool, I dont want to give up to use egg because I still have LOTS of roe in my fridge. what am I doing wrong? should I move away from the canal? I am using 20lbs main and 12lbs leader with #4 gama hook. any advice?
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To answer your question, roe is the better option. I would suggest not staying in one spot to long and to have an alternate rod set up with a Croc or other lure on it and to try that every now and again. Fishing's not an exact science and you can still be fishing correctly but get skunked. Don't dismay. If anything, I would suggest making your hook size at least a #1 size and to keep trying.
I know it's not the greatest amount of advice but sometimes just a slight change produces good results. Also I would suggest making sure your bait is at the right depth. Find bottom and move it up one or two feet so that the presentation is easily seen by the fish. There are lot's fish in there right now as evidenced by the reports so don't give up, just try different techniques and a few other locations and you should find them. Good Luck !!!!
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my advice is use roe but keep changing ur spots
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You would be surprised at how big a chunk of roe they will hit sometimes...even the jacks...I know I was.
Try different coloured roe if one colour is not working, alot of guys use 8lb leader...with the water as clear as it is that is what I'm using....other than that as others have said already try more than one location when your not getting bites.
Personally I never usually have much luck with Coho when I'm at a run with lots of people so try finding a spot away from the crowds...easier said than done.
BN
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Thanks for the replies, I guess I will change my spot, might go up to tamahi pool area. thanks
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Yes bluenoser is correct. It's not easy to do but with a little hiking one can usually find a calm spot away from the crowds. And when you do and the fishing is great and there's no-one around it's a fabulous feeling. Your very own private piece of heaven, at least for the time being, lol.
I usually start with a piece of roe the size of a quarter or slightly less as it gets whittled down after a few casts and the fish will hit it even when it's a big piece. I use Maxima Ultra Green 10lb test myself and don't forget to bring that extra rod with the lure. It's a great way to fish when you can just put down one and pick the other up and away you go. Caught many upon switching styles. Good Luck and Good Fishing !!!!
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As i was told, if your trying to catch coho, find a location where there is little to no traffic. The less people there are the more chance of coho appearing. Also the depth you are fishing has proved to me to be a big deal. Like everyone's been saying keep changing it up but also be patient, having confidence in your technique has a lot to do with the success you have on the river.
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Use wool and give the roe to me. ;)
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"wool or roe thats the question" rescently I have been going to the vedder canal every weekend. every time I go home empty handed. I am not mad or anything because after all its fishing:) I have been using roe for most of the time(not a single bite) I tried to use as little as I could on my size 4 hook, because I far as I know coho will take small presentation. I see almost everyone is using single egg size wool, I dont want to give up to use egg because I still have LOTS of roe in my fridge. what am I doing wrong? should I move away from the canal? I am using 20lbs main and 12lbs leader with #4 gama hook. any advice?
Canal area is clear, slow and pressured, so normally you would want to go light.
But if everyone is doing the samething, sometimes it works to go the other way.
Use a #2 gammie hook with a 30" leader of either 10~12lb fluorocarbon or 8lb Maxima ultragreen and put on a nice big chunk of roe the size of a loonie.
Here the leader has to be soft and light enough so that the big chunk of roe will flow naturally with the current.
If you have good roe, sometimes a coho will not be able to resist the temptation and chomp on it.
Also, if you are targeting cohos, you have to figure out where they are sitting in a run as springs and cohos normally don't mix well.
Tight lines! :)
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I use Maxima Ultra Green 10lb test myself and don't forget to bring that extra rod with the lure. It's a great way to fish when you can just put down one and pick the other up and away you go. Caught many upon switching styles. Good Luck and Good Fishing !!!!
Now that you mentioned carrying another rod with me, I wanted to ask, what is the best water condition(fast or slow) to use spinners for coho, I have seen anyone using spinner on the canal at all, I know that Rodney uses spinners/blades for coho. I also wanted to know if I can swap my spinning reel onto my shimano technium drifting rod? Reason why is that I don’t want to carry two rods with me. Thanks in advance
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I would say that Roe is probably still the better choice. With imitation bait (wool,flies, etc) presentation etc is very important but with Roe (not sure if you smell your finger after you touch it), fish will smell that even if your presentation isn't the best. But i would agree that you might have to change the type of roe, one time I went to the Thompson (not sure if it applies to vedder) I had some regular roe and the other one was a procure roe. The procure roe worked a lot better.
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roe for sure, got 4 hatchery this morning, water was clear so i went smaller, #4 hooks, 6 lb. fluoro, and nickel sized chunk of roe. sometimes bigger works better but today it was smaller
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roe for sure, got 4 hatchery this morning, water was clear so i went smaller, #4 hooks, 6 lb. fluoro, and nickel sized chunk of roe. sometimes bigger works better but today it was smaller
6lbs!! wow! I have been using 12lbs ultra green, is that too much!?
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i've always used 8lbs leaders. the problem could be you are not putting the roe where the fish is, the area you are fishing...do you see people catching anything? im pretty sure the canal is pretty pressured. Most of the time i find the hoes sitting in the tailout in the more shallow area in the canal. You want coho right not spring so pick better portions of the run to fish.
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Hi ihfhs, yes you can certainly switch one reel with the other onto the same rod or just cut the roe hook and put on a lure but I don't. The reason being is that fishing is like a poker game. Before you know it 5 hours have passed by and it seems like only 2 and you've lost valuable time buggering back and forth with hook set-ups.
It is an inconvenience carrying two rods but once you have your spot that inconvenience is quickly balanced by the time you now save not having to switch back and forth. And no, in my opinion 12 lb. maxima is fine to use. Remember some of these fish weigh 15,
16 lbs. and even more and then factor in the current and with 6 lb. flouro you'll be chasing your prey.
Quick in, quick out, if it's wild. The less stress the better and if your presentation is correct and the fish are there eventually one will bite, hopefully. Remember your depth, a 3 ft. leader with enough weight so that your float is floating straight up with the current and a good chunk of roe and your'e good to go. Good Luck !!!
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Hi ihfhs, yes you can certainly switch one reel with the other onto the same rod or just cut the roe hook and put on a lure but I don't. The reason being is that fishing is like a poker game. Before you know it 5 hours have passed by and it seems like only 2 and you've lost valuable time buggering back and forth with hook set-ups.
It is an inconvenience carrying two rods but once you have your spot that inconvenience is quickly balanced by the time you now save not having to switch back and forth. And no, in my opinion 12 lb. maxima is fine to use. Remember some of these fish weigh 15,
16 lbs. and even more and then factor in the current and with 6 lb. flouro you'll be chasing your prey.
Quick in, quick out, if it's wild. The less stress the better and if your presentation is correct and the fish are there eventually one will bite, hopefully. Remember your depth, a 3 ft. leader with enough weight so that your float is floating straight up with the current and a good chunk of roe and your'e good to go. Good Luck !!!
thank you for the info, Athezone! you guys are awsome. I wont give up on the roe! one of these days I will get my line tight!
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Roe is the ticket, not all, but mostly ones using just wool are long linning or flossing althought some will swear up and down they are not. If you donot believe me ask "The Master" ;D ;D ;D
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Roe is the tcket, not all, but mostly ones using just wool are long linning or flossing althought some will swear up and down they are not. If you ndonot believe me ask "The Master" ;D ;D ;D
Last Friday I was fishing next to 2 guys I didn't know. One was fishing roe, one was fishing wool and I was fishing blades. There was a slow pool stacked with coho 100 feet away from us. Everyone was short floating and early in the day when someone managed a drag free drift in the right area the float went down.
Roe guy hooked the most, while wool guy and I hooked quite a few. None were foul hooked and for certain none were lined.
After the sun hit the hits dropped off for everyone even though the fish were still there.
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Roe is the tcket, not all, but mostly ones using just wool are long linning or flossing althought some will swear up and down they are not. If you ndonot believe me ask "The Master" ;D ;D ;D
With all due respect to "The Master", not always the case.
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With all due respect to "The Master", not always the case.
I have never come across a situation fishing for biting salmon where wool is more effective than roe. It just doesn't happen. Period.
Then again I haven't landed a single coho this year on the Vedder so take it for what its worth ;)
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try a single egg with white wool you'd be surprised :o
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With all due respect to "The Master", not always the case.
Of course you are wrong about the Leafs too. ;D ;D ;D
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Thanks for the replies, I guess I will change my spot, might go up to tamahi pool area. thanks
Was at Tamahi this past Friday and there wasnt a vacant rock to stand on, also most of the beach area (adjacent to campground) was occupied. There were a couple of spots above the Kyak course but that was it for vacant space. Watched from the road bridge for a while I saw five salmon yanked whithin approx ten minutes, most of them hooked from the deeper pools behind the larger rocks .
Wondered why I was getting strange looks, could it have been my flyrod ? ....Lol ::)
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Definitely does happen on some rivers at certain times... isn't that coho in your avatar caught on wool?
No.
I can appreciate that in certain situations fish may require a more subtle presentation, but with that being said, why not fish a single egg in a roe bag? Both look the same, however, one is loaded with amino acids, hormones/pheromones, and the chemicals that anadromous fish crave as they transition from salt water to fresh.
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I would agree that roe can be "lights out", where wool - not so much. However, I've had cases where the fish will take wool and only a certain colour or even shade of colour produces. I've even gone down to 6 lb fluorocarbon leader on a small piece of wool and caught the odd coho, where the same presentation on 8 lb leader failed to work. That tells me that the fish can and will take wool, but I don't believe they'll chase it down (I've had nice coho chase my roe while I'm reeling in - and actually caught a few that way). For those who think that you can ONLY floss coho with wool - I'd have to disagree. Yes, wool is often used to floss fish (Tamihi is a prime example of where this happens). But wool can work under certain conditions. Just don't expect a fish on every cast.
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I have a hard time catching coho on roe this year again, maybe I better try wool and lenghten out my 14 inch leader a couple of feet. ;D ;D ;D
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Green wool seems to work the best. Always out fishes roe
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I have a hard time catching coho on roe this year again, maybe I better try wool and lenghten out my 14 inch leader a couple of feet. ;D ;D ;D
Maybe you should change your cure recipe. FFM and I have had no problems this year! ;D
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All depends what kind of water you're fishing on the Vedder. If its slower waters, such as the canal, or slower pools throughout the river then you would prefer using roe.
If you are fishing faster water or faster moving pools, then wool would be a lot more efficient. Fishing roe in quicker moving water is tough to get it to stay on the hook, and could get frustrating at times. :P
You could also use roe bags in faster water; however, I still would consider wool.
Anyways,
Good luck.
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I have never come across a situation fishing for biting salmon where wool is more effective than roe. It just doesn't happen. Period.
Then again I haven't landed a single coho this year on the Vedder so take it for what its worth ;)
I've never even seen someone short floating with wool and I've never seen a coho caught legitimately on wool so if you want to be a fisher use roe.
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You gotta be kidding bug pumper plenty of coho get caught legit on wool. ???
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You gotta be kidding bug pumper plenty of coho get caught legit on wool. ???
I've only ever seen the sideways dink float crowd fishing wool with their 12 feet of line from the float and pencil lead. And then finishing their drift with a big yank
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You gotta be kidding bug pumper plenty of coho get caught legit on wool. ???
Nope, not kidding. Totally disagree. Show me someone who is catching coho with wool and I'll point out to you that the person is float flossing, or sight flossing and in many cases totally unaware. Come out with me and fish beside me with wool, you'll change your mind real fast.
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vancook said it all. So true.
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Guess those coho we caught last weekend on a minute piece of peach wool with a pink centre were flossed 15-18 inch leaders short floated.
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well, i know for sure that coho do attack wool. float drifting wool does work as my brother hooked into a wild that *ahem was not floss considering that the hook is not on the side of the mouth but right where the top portion of the mouth. So it had to attack the wool to have the hook set right there. I also witness a fellas who was jigging with his wool in this little nice holding spot he found...it was awesome when he pulled 3 hoes out of there and i was like what? ??? using green wool and just jigged/twitched it all day....so who knows... ::)
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That being said I much prefer roe especially for that first light bite!!
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unless you have a jensen egg with that wool its pretty much a waste of time if your looking to get biters.
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well all I can say I 'v never seen it And thats during alot of observation. Jigging it though makes sense to me.
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They do bite wool on occasion, have caught a few dead drifting it in fast tailouts this year. Would feel much more confident fishing a nice single in a roe bag or a Jensen egg though, and if you can fish bait why waste your time with the wool?
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A wool tie clipped into a single egg shape on a #4 hook catches fish short floating. So do glow bugs. If everyone else is using roe and not hooking up, switch it up. Try a single egg wool tie/ glow bug, a blade/ spoon or try a jig. Coho get pretty jaded after seeing ten thousand identical chunks of roe float past.
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is coho more slower recently in Vedder Canal?
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As someone who lives next to a river with a bait ban for 3 month every year, I have done my involuntary share of fishing with wool for cohos.
I can say with certainty that cohos will bite a well presented wool under certain conditions.
In my case, I target fresh run (typically sameday from salt fish) cohos as soon as they moved into a tailout in lower river.
Some of these fish will bite a well presented, typically dead drifted, wool as soon as they arrive at a new pool.
Once they get settled in, bite is pretty much off.
It is a very low yield game, but I do catch my share of cohos doing this as I do not intentionally floss for them.
Yes, some cohos do get flossed while I am doing this, but I do know which is which.
Because of this limitation, in my personal observation, vast majority of cohos in crowded bait ban rivers are flossed as a result.
Above applies only to unscented wool, as applying scent (allowed in non-baitban rivers like Vedder), is a different game.
Jensen egg with wool combos are more effective than plain wool, but they can't be used in a bait ban river as it is typically anise oil scented.
Do I use roe on Vedder? Of course, as I can catch a lot more cohos than if I were using plain wool.
Just my 2 cents worth. :)
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I'm shocked there are experienced fishers on here that think wool doesn't work... I hate dealing w/ roe 'cuz it stinks & my wife wants to divorce me when I bring it home. There's so many other better reasons to divorce me ;D
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master play wool with diff color, shape, combination...
i'm no master, so I'm stick with roe lol ;D
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I hate dealing w/ roe 'cuz it stinks & my wife wants to divorce me when I bring it home. There's so many other better reasons to divorce me ;D
LOL.... I understand how you feel. I keep all my roe in a mini fridge I keep in my study as my wilfe will not allow me to keep it in any of our household fridges.
So my beer and roe sit side by side. ;D
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Do I detect a fish off coming ? Roe vs. Wool
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X2! :-\
X3
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There is no doubt that wool will work in certain situations like what Bigblue has described, and i have seen and experienced it myself in the past. However, I always have more confidence when I'm using bait.
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i almost never use roe . i cant make it good , it stinks , it gets my hands icky and i got to bait up again very often . i love using wool in almost every type of water conditions , its clean and fast and i hook way more fish . Its so true if your wool presentation is awful you will not get the fish to bite , its got to be perfect and you will slay fish . #4 hook and egg size presentation .
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For coho, this amorphous blob on a 1/0 is less effective...
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o167/AJTowers/Yarnies/P1060521.jpg)
...than this (tied on a #4 hook or smaller:
(http://i569.photobucket.com/albums/ss132/vonawful/P1070999.jpg)
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I was fishing with my friend ( a newbie ). I setup the rod for him with a 8lb leader,#4 hook, pink wool trimmed down to look like a single egg, 24" leader.
I was using roe and I was outfishing him but he managed to hook 4 cohos and 2 of them had the hook right inside the mouth that I had to cut the line.
We were both fishing slow water down the canal. So I can say they do take wool readily.
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i cannot decide this morning and took a bit of wool with a bit of roe ;). Managed to get one and only coho on our fishing ground.
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x4 I don't get it.
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x4 I don't get it.
Everyone that adds x1 agrees with the original quote.
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save the juice from curing eggs, while fishing, dip your wool into some juice every cast... might work great..
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save the juice from curing eggs, while fishing, dip your wool into some juice every cast... might work great..
...just use roe
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My experience tho limited, is use roe. I was out visiting this summer and spent two weeks fishing every day. Was end of July first week of August. My buddies neighbours all avid fisherman helped me out alot with info on how to hook up with some Reds. They all don't fish that time of year because they say there just isn't enough fish in the system.. I though avid fisherman really don't care about how many fish are in the system, just getting out is the main thing.
The consensus from them all was to use wool on a short float. Well after 4 days in a row and about 8 hrs a day fishing all over the flow... 0 fish nada. Why, 4 days of using the same presentation? I am a very patient angler, and didn't know any better. On my way home after the 4th day of fishing I decide it's time to change things up a bit. Stop at the local convenience store and grab a couple of tubs of roe. I was thinking, I was becoming the joke on the street because everyday after the neighbours got home from work they would all come over and ask me how the fishing was and my answer was always the same, nothing, then the sheepish grins from them.
Then I started thinking maybe, just maybe, these nice neighbours are all B.E.A.K.S. Went out on day five using the roe with a bit of wool tied on and I started to get into them. My first hook up lasted about 20 seconds and got off, but I new right there things were about to change. My next hookup about 15 minutes later and I land a nice Red about 10 lbs, also a few Soks but they were all released unharmed.
Invited everyone over for a nice bbq salmon dinner and the salmon wasn't the only thing getting grilled. The boys were grilling me to death on what I was using. So it was my turn to have a bit of fun with them. I told them I just changed up the colours of my wool and BAM. The look of astonishment on their faces was priceless, you had to be there. I never did tell them what I was using I was having to much fun. We had fresh Reds for dinner for the next 5 days and I put a few in my buddies freezer for having me.
My last day on the flow, who do I run into. Rodney with the Maple Leaves floats. We had a good chat and he put on a clinic for me with 2 or 3 Soks in a row to my nothing. As he was leaving to go pick some berries for his wife, he offered me some of his secret baits, showed me how to rig them and said good luck. I got 4 Soks in the next hour and headed home because I was out of bait. A true gentleman all and all. I will be out again next year Rodney and hopefully we can get together and spend a day or two fishing. Would also like to thank Bryson Kent for taking me out on my first day and showing me around. We both got skunked but it didn't bother us at all. He even bought me lunch, doesn't get much better than that. We will get out again next summer Bryson and lunch and gas is on me this time. Thank you very much, your a true sportsman and a gentleman.
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Sorry it was Chris not Rodney. My short term memory sucks haha.
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The plain truth is both work well or at times not at all.I am always prepared to experiment in these situations to see if the magic happens.A late great fisherman named Bill once told me when I asked him if a spoon might work in Harrison bay never to stop trying novel approaches at times like this.One of the best pieces of advice I ever got.
As for the flossing debate,we have heard it all ad-naseum and it is irrelevant to whether Coho bite or on what or when they do.My 2 cents.