Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Driller on August 08, 2011, 10:00:45 PM
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Has anone ever tried back trolling for salmon in the Fraser or the Harrison? I'd like to try this. Plugs, or Kwik Fish. Looks effective and fun.
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Should be fairly productive, I've been thinking about it myself.
Fraser's probably too dirty right now for anything other than spin&glows.
Not sure about the Harrison but it should get clearer sooner.
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Thats one of the BEST ways to get into Chinook.
Back trolling a plug or Kwikfish on the Harrison or Fraser is very productive
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Definitely give it a go - lots of fun, for sure! Also, try wrapping the plugs...it will entice some of the big boys to strike HARD!
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Used to troll the green line at the mouth of the Vedder to the Fraser using 3/4 oz. Coho and Ironhead spoons with some success .
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Definitely give it a go - lots of fun, for sure! Also, try wrapping the plugs...it will entice some of the big boys to strike HARD!
If when you say big boys you mean the C.O.s........Sardine /herring wrap is a no-go in the non-tidal.....Velcro pad and scent will have to do....
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I saw some videos on youtube up in alaska the guys were using massive plugs. Like kwik fish that were 6 inches long or bigger. I'd like to know the best way of getting the gear down where you want it. Big bananna weight? Dipsy diver? I guess just getting out there and using whatever you want will work too. No rules. As far as the bait thing. Non tidal, non bait. GOod tip. I will definitely check the regs on that one before I decide to go.
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Use a 2-6oz Betty on the three way swivel (or sliding swivel setup) with 12-16" between Betty and swivel, 6' leader to a huge quick fish or 3' to spin-n-glo with roe
Let out line till you hit bottom. When you’re trolling you need to tag the bottom regularly.
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If when you say big boys you mean the C.O.s........Sardine /herring wrap is a no-go in the non-tidal.....Velcro pad and scent will have to do....
So would this mean that we are allowed to use a Sardine/Herring (fin fish) wrap on our plugs in the tidal portion of the Fraser? I've been trying to see where it says we're not allowed to use wraps on our plugs in the tidal portion but can't find an answer anywhere. I even called the local DFO office twice this week and left 2 messages but have not gotten a call back. Could someone please clarify if we're allowed to wrap our plugs with Sardine/Herring in the tidal portion of the Fraser?
Thanks in advance!
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So would this mean that we are allowed to use a Sardine/Herring (fin fish) wrap on our plugs in the tidal portion of the Fraser? I've been trying to see where it says we're not allowed to use wraps on our plugs in the tidal portion but can't find an answer anywhere. I even called the local DFO office twice this week and left 2 messages but have not gotten a call back. Could someone please clarify if we're allowed to wrap our plugs with Sardine/Herring in the tidal portion of the Fraser?
Thanks in advance!
Nope not allowed
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OK thanks for the info - guess I will just have to get creative
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Nope not allowed
Hey bb, where do you get that from? I checked the regs and couldn't find it. It's very clearly stated in the non-tidal regs for the Fraser, but can't find it in the tidal regs for the tidal portion of the river.
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People use oolies and pieces of salmon for Sturgeon all the time in the Fraser.
Pretty sure it is legal in the tidal to use finfish as bait only for Sturgeon.
But don't quote me.
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People use oolies and pieces of salmon for Sturgeon all the time in the Fraser.
Pretty sure it is legal in the tidal to use finfish as bait only for Sturgeon.
But don't quote me.
Yup only for sturgeon
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The use of finfish as bait is not only limited to fishing for white sturgeon in the tidal portion of the Fraser River.
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The use of finfish as bait is not only limited to fishing for white sturgeon in the tidal portion of the Fraser River.
That's kind of what I'm getting at, Rod. I'm not doubting bb (well, maybe just a little ;)) but I am always a litte cautious about taking another person's interpretation of the regs, without a primary source also being available.
The regs for non tidal Fraser very clearly state that finfish are only to be used for sturgeon angling, but, after my reading, I can find no mention of restrictions of finfish for bait in the tidal river. If it's there, and I am missing it, I would be interested to know otherwise.
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That's why I asked the question - I can't seem to find where it specifically says no finfish can be used as bait in tidal portion of Fraser either. And I'm still waiting for a call back from the local DFO office to answer my question - its been more than 2 weeks since I called and left a message and still no call back
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thanks for the clarification Rod!
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I'm double checking this with someone at the department, so will provide a definite answer in a few days.
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We did a lot of back trolling last year in the Harrison system. No bait needed. Two similar types of lures, flat fish, and kwick fish. The K-14 and K-15 kwik fish worked waaaaay better than the flat fish. It dove better. The other type seemed to roll and eventually make its way back up to the surface. Very fun way to fish. I would recommend quick release rod holders, because the stryker holders I was using last year made it real tough to pull the rod out sometimes when a fish was on. We hooked, and landed over 20 salmon with this method in a few days. Our days were aslo split up with shore fishing so really, it works well.
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Thanks for the update Driller - I'm pretty stoked to give this method a try this summer
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anyone wana buy some plugs ??
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bit of an older post I realize. Looking at maybe doing a bit of kwik fish work this year. Driller do you use lead or a diver to get the kwik down or just straight lure? Also will the ho's hammer them? thanks
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People use oolies and pieces of salmon for Sturgeon all the time in the Fraser.
Pretty sure it is legal in the tidal to use finfish as bait only for Sturgeon.
But don't quote me.
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actually Rodney checked into this for me earlier this summer and yes you are allowed to use finfish as bait for salmon (contrary to popular belief) in the Tidal Fraser
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Cool, i'm gonna give this a show.
How often do you get hung up on bottom? I hear you gotta be very close to bottom, I wonder how much of a struggle dealing with all the wood on the bottom of the river.
At this time of year, I feel compelled to use a small/medium kwikfish to try to entire Cohos in the process.
But bigger sounds better to hit springs (and maybe Chum??) using this technique?
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Has anone ever tried back trolling for salmon in the Fraser or the Harrison? I'd like to try this. Plugs, or Kwik Fish. Looks effective and fun.
Yes, K14 Kwikfish in silver/chartreuse, or Blue Magoo colored M2 Flatfish, behind a Jet Diver. Slower-current years are better, I find. These mostly catch Chinook, but the Magwart plugs mostly get coho. Try silver/purple if chum salmon are around. I caught chum last year, right where you shot that Sept 29 video, and I was plunking K14's in silver/purple. I fished there for 13 days around early November. Jigs outfished those by 10:1, however.....jigs are more work though.
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actually Rodney checked into this for me earlier this summer and yes you are allowed to use finfish as bait for salmon (contrary to popular belief) in the Tidal Fraser
What about the Harrison!?
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We did a lot of back trolling last year in the Harrison system. No bait needed. Two similar types of lures, flat fish, and kwick fish. The K-14 and K-15 kwik fish worked waaaaay better than the flat fish. It dove better. The other type seemed to roll and eventually make its way back up to the surface. Very fun way to fish. I would recommend quick release rod holders, because the stryker holders I was using last year made it real tough to pull the rod out sometimes when a fish was on. We hooked, and landed over 20 salmon with this method in a few days. Our days were aslo split up with shore fishing so really, it works well.
Flatfish are better in slower water than the Kwikies. I rarely don't use a Jet Diver, unless it's shallow and/or quite slow water. On the Kenai they run a short dropper to the Diver, on a sliding line/swivel. If the lure snags bottom the diver can still float up if the line breaks and you can usually find/retreive the diver. They float.
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In clear water like the Harrison plugs usually outfish Spin N Glows for Chinook, but in real dirty water a baited Spin N Glow would likely outfish an unbaited plug. I've stretchy-thread-wrapped cured coon stripe shrimp sections to Kwikfish in place of the sardine....would that work and be legal on the Harrison?
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Cool, i'm gonna give this a show.
How often do you get hung up on bottom? I hear you gotta be very close to bottom, I wonder how much of a struggle dealing with all the wood on the bottom of the river.
At this time of year, I feel compelled to use a small/medium kwikfish to try to entire Cohos in the process.
But bigger sounds better to hit springs (and maybe Chum??) using this technique?
The guy at Fred's said that silver colored spinners were the best lure for Harrison coho. For coho I've done best casting spinners there in the slow water, NOT backtrolling Kwikfish. But I have had a couple of 10 pound Coho there on Kwikfish, so I believe you'll get BIGGER fish on the plugs than the spinners.
"Anything pink", is best for pink salmon, he said. Yep.
Just one opinion.