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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: Fish Slayer on September 12, 2010, 08:38:38 AM
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This year has been very depressing I'm thinking largely due to the commercial openings in the fraser. The number of coho that I have usually landed at the time is not even a 1/4 this year. :-\
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This year has been very depressing I'm thinking largely due to the commercial openings in the fraser. The number of coho that I have usually landed at the time is not even a 1/4 this year. :-\
100% correct...Although the commercial fishery supporters here would tell you that you're just a lousy fisherman ::)
I've been out the Vedder this year and with minimal success. The river has seemed empty at times.
It should get better soon though...now that the commercials are done raping the early Coho/Jacks/Springs bycatch that would be heading up the Vedder.
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Coho numbers are down at the the hatchery and the few that have showed up have net marks . I'm sure the commercial openings for sockeye are have a large impact on all other stocks including the endanger Cultus run.
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There are fish to be had if you know where to look, sadly yesterdays fish all had net marks on them as well :( just more proof that the sockeye fiasco & DFO's mismanagement is destroying our rivers.
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There are fish to be had if you know where to look, sadly yesterdays fish all had net marks on them as well :( just more proof that the sockeye fiasco & DFO's mismanagement is destroying our rivers.
That's quite a connection.... want to explain that?
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That's quite a connection.... want to explain that?
The connection is that coho that I have seen are COVERED in net marks I wonder how many already endangered interior coho have parished due to the greed of the money that sockeye bring in commercially. Also the greed of the bottom bouncers out there that need to fill their freezers with sockeye and I'm sure the odd coho (aka spring as they're called on the Fraser gravel bars) or the coho that they shake and bake in the sand before kicking back to the river. Who's to blame for this? DFO and their mismanagement of OUR resources! The sockeye snaggery should have closed September 1st or the September long weekend at the latest, it is just ridiculous how the fish stocks are treated and handled.
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I noticed a decrease in the chinook jacks in the Thompson River this year too but maybe that is just a coincidents as I thought they would not get caught up in the nets in great numbers because of the size factor, will have to check their catch totals.
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way less chinook jacks this year compared to last year on the thompson.
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When looking for floater sockeye for sturgeon bait on the long weekend, picked up three coho floaters in one day...Probably not a good indicator of what the nets are doing...
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3 coho floaters...did you keep them and tuen them into to DFO? or at least report them? Thats a significant number. I wonder if comercial or native netters would throw a netted coho (dead) back into the river in order to avoid having to report by catch of an potentially endangered stock?
But hey, as several people on this board have pointed out, this is a historic sockeye run and we deserve ours too :-X
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The connection is that coho that I have seen are COVERED in net marks I wonder how many already endangered interior coho have parished due to the greed of the money that sockeye bring in commercially. Also the greed of the bottom bouncers out there that need to fill their freezers with sockeye and I'm sure the odd coho (aka spring as they're called on the Fraser gravel bars) or the coho that they shake and bake in the sand before kicking back to the river. Who's to blame for this? DFO and their mismanagement of OUR resources! The sockeye snaggery should have closed September 1st or the September long weekend at the latest, it is just ridiculous how the fish stocks are treated and handled.
I don't know what you do for a living Slayer, but the thing that drives 99% of the businesses out there happens to be greed! The sockeye fishery is a business. You could be more tactful and say that the money that people earn in order to feed and house their families is the incentive that drives them to do the best they can. It is still greed.
Most businesses out there have a negative impact on the environment due to their "greed". Are you suggesting all mining and forestry, hydro, etc. be shut down in the province because of it's impact on "our resources"? Or are these resources not a concern for you because they don't directly impact you like fishing does?
The key is providing a balance. Suggesting that DFO shut down the entire sockeye fishery because you think our resources are being mismanaged is just naive. DFO understands that there is a percentage of the Upper Fraser coho stocks that will be a by catch, however they have determined that percentage is expendable. The lower number of jacks on the Thompson is probably not a conservation concern for the Thompson spring run either. As far as the effect on a hatchery fed river that can be replaced by raising more fry, that shouldn't be a concern in the bigger picture.
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Don't know about you folks but I've had my share of fun Sock fishing this year so YUP it's time to close off everything that may impact the Vedder Coho. SHUT EVERYTHING ELSE DOWN ;) :D ;D This friendly msg bought to you by another greed less Coho fisher.
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I don't know what you do for a living Slayer, but the thing that drives 99% of the businesses out there happens to be greed! The sockeye fishery is a business. You could be more tactful and say that the money that people earn in order to feed and house their families is the incentive that drives them to do the best they can. It is still greed.
Most businesses out there have a negative impact on the environment due to their "greed". Are you suggesting all mining and forestry, hydro, etc. be shut down in the province because of it's impact on "our resources"? Or are these resources not a concern for you because they don't directly impact you like fishing does?
The key is providing a balance. Suggesting that DFO shut down the entire sockeye fishery because you think our resources are being mismanaged is just naive. DFO understands that there is a percentage of the Upper Fraser coho stocks that will be a by catch, however they have determined that percentage is expendable. The lower number of jacks on the Thompson is probably not a conservation concern for the Thompson spring run either. As far as the effect on a hatchery fed river that can be replaced by raising more fry, that shouldn't be a concern in the bigger picture.
Its not greed,its called survival,alot of local businesses have had to layoff staff in these tough economical times.This record run of Sockeye could not have come at a better time for alot of the local businesses.
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I find this thread to be like the bitch I hear over our lower mainland weather.
All through the fall, winter, & spring there is a segment of society that bitches about the rain, then when the sun comes out in summer they are the first ones in the pool bitching about the heat.
The pessimist will find the flaws in everything. The optimist looks for solutions.
"When Life hands you a bag full of pits, start planting fruit trees!"
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A strong successful business isn't run by greed, it's run by intelligent people who know how to successfully run a business. Sure mining, forestry and hydro have negative impacts on the environment, however if done properly the impacts will and can be minimal. This "sport" fishery is far from being done properly. Well alwaysfishn once the Thompson steelhead are gone, the once great coho runs of the interior have vanished and the hatchery enhanced rivers are the only rivers that get dismal returns of coho yet plumes of chum still return I'm sure you'll still think that it's something other than the group of individuals that are supposed to be directly responsible for maintaining our resources that caused the collapse. I guess you're right I'm just naive and care far too much in sustaining our resources for the future generations...
newsman there is no bad season as steelhead season is a year round thing.
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Its not greed,its called survival,alot of local businesses have had to layoff staff in these tough economical times.This record run of Sockeye could not have come at a better time for alot of the local businesses.
A well run business should not rely on a bumper crop of fish to survive.
Its called sink or swim. Trimming the fat. Survival of the fittest.
I am far from a conservative, but if your business is relying on a 1 in 100 year return of fish, perhaps you are in the wrong field.
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The key is providing a balance. Suggesting that DFO shut down the entire sockeye fishery because you think our resources are being mismanaged is just naive. DFO understands that there is a percentage of the Upper Fraser coho stocks that will be a by catch, however they have determined that percentage is expendable. The lower number of jacks on the Thompson is probably not a conservation concern for the Thompson spring run either. As far as the effect on a hatchery fed river that can be replaced by raising more fry, that shouldn't be a concern in the bigger picture.
I really don't understand how a certain percentage of an endangered stock can be expendable. Perhaps alwaysfishn has a greater understanding of population statistics than myself ???
I'm all for giving the commies their fair share of the cake but having sockeye openings this late is akin to the lower Fraser chum fishery. Sure its fine when they can sell their catch to the fish mongers for commercial processing but what about the guys selling fish out of their pickup trucks for ten bucks a pop. I guess no one has thought of the appetite for cheap sockeye we are creating. Guess what, everyone who is buying fish for ten bucks a pop is going to want to do the same thing next summer. Too bad the runs will be significantly smaller. No problem though since there is another group people can buy fish from off the side of the road.
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I really don't understand how a certain percentage of an endangered stock can be expendable. Perhaps alwaysfishn has a greater understanding of population statistics than myself ???
I'm not sure I can help you understand it any better. Understanding something like this requires looking at all sides of the situation. ???
From reading some of DFO's reports they determine what an acceptable by catch of an endangered stock is. For the upper Fraser coho I think their science determined that this run can survive a 5% hit.
While I am critical of some of DFO's management practices, they have the responsibility of protecting the wild salmon. They would have an easy job if they could just say no to the economic opportunities that a run like this presents, however the politics (and economics) says they can't do that. I see it the same as any environmental assessment for a new mine, a new development, a new pipeline etc. In most cases there is some detrimental effect to the environment. Saying no would be easy, but it would also shut down the economic opportunity which means jobs and taxes.
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Nothing we humans consume have zero impact. Driving to fishing, using electricity have tons of negative impact yet we never think twice. The quoted DFO's 5% impact on endangered stock sounds like a balanced tradeoff for the sockeye harvest opportunity.
Do you realistically believe the expected 10 million sockeyes that was caught/consumed would not have been replace by other forms of meat had the socks being close. Everything we consume has an impact.
Hats off to those that get to fishing on human power (bike or hike) which I guess is less than 1%.
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A well run business should not rely on a bumper crop of fish to survive.
Its called sink or swim. Trimming the fat. Survival of the fittest.
I am far from a conservative, but if your business is relying on a 1 in 100 year return of fish, perhaps you are in the wrong field.
Alot of people hurting in this economy...never said they depended on a once in a 100 yr run of sockeye.I can say with certainy it sure has helped alot of people,been a shot in the arm for alot of businessis.Theres no denying that point.The sporties are finally getting a fair shake concerning this record run of sockeye.We fight to be allowed to fish and now we fight to get us shutdown.I be alot more concerned with the bag fleet mopping up at the mouth of the river then a few anglers not knowing a bull head from a coho.
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newsman there is no bad season as steelhead season is a year round thing.
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Really? Where?
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newsman there is no bad season as steelhead season is a year round thing.
Really? Where?
Right here in good old British Columbia.
alwaysfishn: I was wondering do you have some sort of educational degree in which you come up with these numbers and percentages? Some sort of link to a government website which you are getting the numbers from?
Aren't endangered species supposed to be protected to the furthest extent? That is the impression that I have always been under, maybe someone here could shed some light on that for me...
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alwaysfishn: I was wondering do you have some sort of educational degree in which you come up with these numbers and percentages? Some sort of link to a government website which you are getting the numbers from?
Aren't endangered species supposed to be protected to the furthest extent? That is the impression that I have always been under, maybe someone here could shed some light on that for me...
3% coho exploitation rate is stated right on the DFO website:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=127889&ID=recreational
Go here to read all the Fishery notices:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=search_results&lang=en&ID=recreational&Year=2010
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Right here in good old British Columbia.
alwaysfishn: I was wondering do you have some sort of educational degree in which you come up with these numbers and percentages? Some sort of link to a government website which you are getting the numbers from?
Aren't endangered species supposed to be protected to the furthest extent? That is the impression that I have always been under, maybe someone here could shed some light on that for me...
Gotta agree. I've caught steelhead every month of the year but may.