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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: Rodney on August 03, 2010, 11:09:05 PM
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Posting these for Chris:
I was at the chilliwack river valley today and found a campsite in the worst condition I have ever seen them after the August long weekend. How can people be so inconsiderate of the Chilliwack River Valley. Here are some of the pictures of what I observed today.
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Thanks Rodney, the pictures are from different camping areas as most sites from Tamahi upstream to Chilliwack Lake and along Bench Road are like a garbage dump. It is sad that a lot of this area was all cleaned up 2 weeks ago during the CVRCS 2nd cleanup for 2010, the Limits Hole was very dirty too.
There will be lots of garbage for the BC Rivers Day event on September 26th for the volunteers to tackle.
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Another one of those situations where a few ruin it for all.
Summer brings people out of their houses to enjoy the outdoors, and things like this are the result. Sad to see, but not suprising :(
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All I have to say is that there is something wrong with people like this. I go to lakes in the interior and don't see even a tenth of the garbage thrown away at the Vedder . Until the Ministry of the Environment starts taking enforcement of this area seriously the Chilliwack River Valley is a disgrace. Here's something else to consider, why did no one go up there to dole out fines for the campfires since there was an open fire ban??? >:(
Note: campfire bans falls under this ministry "The British Columbia Forest Service, Wildfire Management Branch".
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All I have to say is that there is something wrong with people like this. I go to lakes in the interior and don't see even a tenth of the garbage thrown away at the Vedder . Until the Ministry of the Environment starts taking enforcement of this area seriously the Chilliwack River Valley is a disgrace. Here's something else to consider, why did no one go up there to dole out fines for the campfires since there was an open fire ban??? >:(
You are asking a question about government employees.
1) They avoid confrontation at all costs.
2) They don't work weekends.
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Dude: in forest fire season, they work round the clock. What if a fire had started, for all the good that it will do I think I will fire a letter off to Barry Penner. Pardon the pun ;D.
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i've been watching tubers come down the vedder while fishing..
there was one instance where 3 seperate groups came through within about 20 minutes of eachother, and behind each flowed either a beer can, or some garbage trail.
stupid thing is it follows them down the river and makes themlook like a real ignorant slobs. all i could do is shake my head
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Dude: in forest fire season, they work round the clock. What if a fire had started, for all the good that it will do I think I will fire a letter off to Barry Penner. Pardon the pun ;D.
Yes, the Wildfire Management Branch does work around the clock battling forest fires around the province, as well as in other provinces and areas of the world as required. And they do a incredible job that mostly goes unthanked every summer to protect the beautiful outdoors we all enjoy.
I'm referring to the enforcement of making people pay for their negligence by starting a campfire when our forests are a tinderbox all over, and there is a fire ban all over southern BC. I've seen numerous fires in the short area of river I fish, and the people that make them walk away without thought, just the same as the fine folk that made the mess in the above pictures.
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--It's the government... not the workers that doesn't work... that is why, yet again the government nuked enforcement and other staff.
--In a normal/average fire season we are already over budget and there are many weeks of fires to come.
--the government continuously underbudgets for fire season as they know they can access so called contingency funding which in effect is a pre-approved guarantee to pay for fire fighting no matter the cost. But looks better on the books... funny how every year we go over budget you'd think they could actually show what they think they would spend in an average year. Lets say budget based on average of past 5 years?
--By government... I don't just mean the current... NDP were no angels when it came to lay off of MOE and MOF staff...Liberals are just finishing the job.
--As to crime and punishment... I have a red neck idea for those caught... forget the fine... make them custodian of the area they messed up and give then the responsibility to clean it up and keep it clean for at least one season...
--get some areas where people can drink and throw their chairs on the fire.. like an old gravel pit.. cement toilets that won't burn and can be washed out each day with a fire hose. give them the option of clean up or pay up at the gate.
--The government came up with the classic useless approach... lets make a ridiculous rule like reduce the legal size of a camp fire and announce bigger fines...but not one more staff member for enforcement of this ... pun intended just smoke and mirrors.
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My view of how to correct it is a bit harsh for most people. But it would work.
They are too stupid to be left alive, should be legal to remove them from the earth. Participated in many cleanups when I lived at the coast, the stuff that humans will leave around camping areas has to be experienced to be believed. One site had dozens and dozens of disposable diapers, then there was the areas right next to the river that had been used for latrines. Except they were too lazy to dig holes so every thing was on the surface including lots of used toilet paper. And some here wonder why I have such a low opinion of our species and would like to see the VAST majority of them removed from the living.
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I tend to agree with speycaster.
Humans leave an enormous footprint on this planet, and as the population goes up, naturally so does everything else. The problem we have is, how and when will we realize that population explosions will lead to our own demise??? Will it be too late???
For some reason, I wouldn't be surprised if CSIS broke down my door and took me in for supporting inhumane idea's.....
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Re my pictures I sent to the Chilliwack Progress
http://www.bclocalnews.com/fraser_valley/theprogress/opinion/100075924.html
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That's terrible to see that in my home town. I can't stand to see the ignorant people that leave all their garbage behind. Good to see that it gets a bit of press, but like most small stories I'm sure that everyone has already forgot about it.
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That's terrible to see that in my home town. I can't stand to see the ignorant people that leave all their garbage behind. Good to see that it gets a bit of press, but like most small stories I'm sure that everyone has already forgot about it.
Discussions going on at this time seeking solutions. Some are saying to close this area to camping as it is from just above the Vedder Bridge to Tamiihi Bridge.
Ideas from anyone welcome.
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Get a bounty on them Chris, say a hundred bucks an ear. Not worth my while to come down to the coast for less. ;D ;D
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Went out and checked some different areas yesterday, terrible. Pictures going to Rod.
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More photos by Chris. These are from Foley lake, Bench Road, Ranger Run, Edwards Road.
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Why don't they just shut it all down? Throw a gate house at the crossing and monitor everyone going in and coming out, thats absolutely ridiculous. No respect for anything. its just gotten progressively worse over the years. >:( >:( >:(
Colin
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Are those first pictures at the Ceadr run? That used to be a great spot to throw a spinner for steelhead in the spring but the last couple of years I have been out it looks like people live there with all of the garbage.
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shut her down put gates up and start charging a user fee thats whats going to eventually happen eh' >:( >:( >:(
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Such a nice place... used as a Garbage Dump
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The solution is quite simple, but requires the political and legal fortitude to enforce it. Cost is NOT the issue. Create a group of environment officers (or what ever else you wish to call them) and steep fines. Now, these officers salary/compensation comes directly from the fines collected, not from the public coffers. The harder they enforce, the bigger the pay check.
Imagine is you will, RCMP paychecks being solely funded by the speeding tickets they issued. How many speeders do you think there would be??? and how often would you see a cop on the road ;]
It's sad to say that more and more people just don't give a cupcakes and the majority of the blame falls on the parents that never raised them properly.
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The solution is quite simple, but requires the political and legal fortitude to enforce it. Cost is NOT the issue. Create a group of environment officers (or what ever else you wish to call them) and steep fines. Now, these officers salary/compensation comes directly from the fines collected, not from the public coffers. The harder they enforce, the bigger the pay check.
Problem is that if this new force of officers was actually successful at eliminating the illegal stuff, there wouldn't be any more fines to pay their salaries so you'd have to lay them all off, then there'd be no officers to enforce so the miscreants would come back and you'd have to hire a new batch of officers.......... kinda of a lynx and hare scenario. Plus the courts kind of frown on the conflict of interest created by "revenue-based enforcement".
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Re: courts kind of frown on the conflict of interest created by "revenue-based enforcement". Who do you think pays the police's overtime with regards to road side checks for drinking and driving? That's funded by ICBC. The more ICBC pays out to the police the less they pay out insurance claims, less claims and the execs get bigger bonuses. Talk about conflict of interest. But point taken. We can massage that idea though. Hire more DFO whose payment is subsidized from fines. These officers could do allot more then just beach patrol for garbage. I don't think their work would dry up as you say. With all the police around we still have the crime out there.
You can't hope that people will just turn around and start respecting their environment. There needs to be a catalyst that will force that change.
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Navy Seal Fisherman > Major diff is ICBC funds safety projects to reduce fatality, not to save the mighty buck which is the intent. Red light cameras to reduce accidents/injuries are tolerated but not as a speed trap.
COs funded by issuing tickets won't fly in Canada. Great idea, just need other excuses like protecting the environment, something that makes you feel all warm inside and not just another cash grab. ;)
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it's the Police's job. If the RCMP were not so busy handing out cash grab tickets along the #1 Hwy there would be more of them to prevent this garbage and oh..I don't know...slow down the number of car break ins during fishing season. But hey, that would require some actual work by the cops so I won't hold my breath.
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--treasury board knows where the money that goes into general revenue comes from
--it is a simple corelation that those who are in charge of Co's and Forest officers can make when asking for money.
--preventing one forest fire due to more hrs in the bush... (which is similar to the ICBC justification for traffic enforcement)... saves a bundle.
--especially during the summer when most likely to have camping parties the forest service makes hundreds of flights, air patrols and helicopter time. With GPS position and camera not difficult to relay information to Forest officer or Co on the ground as to something going on. A big deterrant would be increased fines and maybe restricting of access etc. for repeat offenders..
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Irresponsible slobs for sure but lets be clear that not all of that trash is from campers, fishers etc, some is clearly garbage dumped, probably by locals. Make the local disposal site less costly or more accessible and some of the problem will go away.
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Irresponsible slobs for sure but lets be clear that not all of that trash is from campers, fishers etc, some is clearly garbage dumped, probably by locals. Make the local disposal site less costly or more accessible and some of the problem will go away.
Never figure this out as it cost more in gas to drive to these spots than landfill charges. Of course they drop theire mess under the cover of darkness when the landfill is closed. ::)
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Irresponsible slobs for sure but lets be clear that not all of that trash is from campers, fishers etc, some is clearly garbage dumped, probably by locals. Make the local disposal site less costly or more accessible and some of the problem will go away.
I think the landfill charges are very reasonable at both places and in close proximty to the town of Chilliwack.Like Chris says its a further drive to go up the valley to dump garbage and probally cost more in fuel then it would be to dispose of the trash properly.
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Those pics are shocking. I live in the Ottawa Valley in Ontario and have never seen such disregard for the enviroment here. I frequent lots of campsites in the summer on and along the Ottawa River and most free campsites are cleaned up after a group uses them. Once in awhile you will see a few beer bottles left in a fire pit but thats about it. I think I have to agree with Navy Seal, it's how you are raised by your parents. Raise your kids properly and they won't do this. You have such a beautiful province and it's a shame people act this way.