Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: norm_2 on November 27, 2009, 03:23:49 PM
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I am thinking about buying myself a Christmas present. If is isn't the best, what is? Could those who have a "green" color rod share their thoughts on this rod? Does anybody have any other thoughts? Thanks.
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i own a 2106 brown blank and i really enjoy fishing with this rod but like chromekings said there are lots of good rods out there ,its about personal preference,the only way to find what rods you prefer are to fish with them,a rod that i think is great somebody else may think otherwise,in my opinion the 2106 is a very good steelhead ,coho rod for vedder sized rivers.
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I think sage is really overrated.
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I pick my Rods like I do my shoes, Ill go with what ever fits and feels nice. I got a lamiglas x106mc, yet I always seem to leave the house with my 20 dollar hubs basement special. All a preference thing.
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OK .... I have to admit that I own numerous Sage drift rods, and I am a Sage snob. I only own 1 "green blank" Sage rod (CT290), and enjoy it for spoon fishing (the photo on my profile - a Terrace Coho - was caught on this rod). However, I have other rods: G Loomis / Lamiglass / St Croix, and enjoy them immensley. I have found the Sage 2106 a GREAT all round rod. I use it for Coho / Steelhead / Pink Salmon. I have also caught Chums and Springs on this rod without (it seems) any effort.
Again, a great rod, but there are other rods that are just as good, and cheaper.
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When you have to wading a lot or on big rivers, rod like 3113 sage or 1365 G.loomis is a better choice. 2106 ct is a very nice all around rod, For your first really nice rod that's what I would buy.
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I have a G.Loomis GL3 1445C which is a 12' 8-17lb rated casting rod. It has become my go-to rod for the past year. It is great for rivers that range in size from the Chehalis to the Vedder all the way up to the Thompson. If I fish a smaller flow like the Capilano I'd switch to a smaller rod. Possibly my Sage CT290 green blank or a centrepin rod.
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I also have the 1445C GLoomis and I really like it.
the 12 foot length really comes in handy on mid to large sections of river.
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What's the difference between a "green" and "brown" Sage ?
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I don't own a Sage drift rod so I can't comment on the action but the brown ones are old and the green replace them.
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If you can get your hands on an orginal 2106lb blank I would deffinotly get that rod built or even a 3106lb. The action on those two blanks is awesome. I find the new sage rods alittle overpriced and the action has changed. I have fished sage rods for years and they are awesome but I have never fished new ones. I now actually fish a factory lamiglass bait casting rod , I think the line rating is 8 -12 lb main line. I love that rod nice and light. I found though this year that with that rod I really had to wail on the hook set. Not much back bone in the Rod, but great rod to fish all day. my 2cents.
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If you can get your hands on an orginal 2106lb blank I would deffinotly get that rod built or even a 3106lb.
I prefer the 2106B and the B3106GSH which have a great action, as well. My B3106GSH is a centre pin rod (probably the all around best model that Sage built IMHO.....Brian Babcock told me he thought it was, as well) and the 2106B is a level wind. I originally bought the 2106B about 10 years back to fish sockeye on the Fraser before it was frowned upon. Just about everytime I was out I'd also hook up on a spring as by-catch. I landed many, many springs on that rod, several up to 40 lbs. and it held up nicely to everyone of them....a much stronger rod than most would suspect but sensitive enough to detect even the lightest takes when chucking spoons and blades for coho or steelies which I also used the rod for.
All the 2106's brown blanks are great all around rods! Haven't tried the green ones so I can't comment on the action or power of these rods but it's hard to go wrong with Sage. I'd buy one second hand to save some bucks...they're always available as long as you're not in too big a hurry to get one. I've bought all my built up ones (brown blanks) for under $275 (2106, 3106, 3113) and all my blanks to build them myself for under $200 (4120, 3106) but they were all purchased 10 years ago or more but I've seen some 2nd hand ones lately around the $300 mark.
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I had a green 2106... didn't like it because it's really butt-heavy and the action is pretty slow... Loomis GL3 1263 would be my steelhead, coho, pink rod for the Vedder if you want a nice rod. Light weight, fast action, well balanced. The affordable option would be the 10'6 Fenwick HMX... light, well balanced, pretty fast action, 5 year warranty, and all for only $150?? can't go wrong I don't think..
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Thanks for the many good thoughts.
Ntjipta, when you say butt-heavy, I guess you are saying it is physically heavy. Another interpretation of butt-heavy maybe that the butt is too stiff, but this would mean that the rod is fast action whereas you said the rod is slow action. Could you clarify that you are saying it is physically heavy?
The other alternative is a Loomis GL3 1263. I have fished with a GL2. For those of you with a GL3, not a GL2, could you comment on what some have said that GL3's are brittle? How long have you have yours?
As these are pretty expensive rods, I and those thinking about a high-end rod, appreciate your information.
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I've used Sage's, lamiglas, Loomis, Fenwick, shimano, etc..
My go to gear rod right now is my Green Sage CT2106 factory. If you want fast rods, Loomis is the ticket but I find that the fit and finish are not up to Sage standards for the price that you are paying. Sage's are a bit slower than Loomis but I haven't found any problems with hookset and its oh so sweet when battling a fish. You can see the quality that goes into their factory gear rods, the premium cork, guides etc..
According to sage, there are no differences in the action of the brown blanks as opposed to the new green ones in their factory rods. Any differences may be attributable to how the custom rods were built (number and placement of guides etc..)
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What's the difference between a "green" and "brown" Sage ?
the green ones are made in Korea, the brown ones are from the States. So I heard, may be it's just BS
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I have a 10'6''Fenwick HMX Pin Rod that balances nice with the Avon reel I have. I liked it so much I got the same rod in a baitcaster set up and enjoy fishing that too. (Am pretty adept at snapping the tip end of rods so its good to have the same blank).
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the green ones are made in Korea, the brown ones are from the States. So I heard, may be it's just BS
I'm pretty sure they are not. I went on a tour of their factory last year and saw the production of all the blanks including the gear ones.
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I'm pretty sure they are - so you may as well just give me yours! ;) Hmm - I don't think he's going to bite on this one... :D
My drift rod is a Loomis GL2 med/light casting rod. It's decent, but it doesn't compare to Stratocaster's Sage 2106. I'd like one myself - to match my fly rods (I've got 5 Sage fly rods)....BUT - the boss says no. :(
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I mean butt-heavy as in the weight is balanced towards the bottom end. Once the reel is on there, it feels very heavy towards the butt and a lil light towards the tip for my liking. But I think the 2106 would make a good centerpin rod for steelhead/coho
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if you think it's the best outfit to have, you better get down to your local tackle store as Sage has discontinued their complete line up of "Sage Gear" factory rods and blanks. They are already sold out of some models.
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the 2106 is an excellent rod...light but with a fast action. perfect for coho or steelhead...sage's best rod they ever made is the 3106lb...similar to the 2106 just a little slower..
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Best Steelhead/Coho rod i have ever owned is Sage 3113 L, awesome action
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Best Steelhead/Coho rod i have ever owned is Sage 3113 L, awesome action
ive got that one too, awesome all around rod. id fish it more for steelhead but i like packing a lighter rod
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I have the Sage 3113mb and have used sage 2106lb and they are nice, but the best coho/steelhead rod bar none is the GLoomis 1263 brown blanks from the 1980's. I've seen several on the river, but nobody is wiling to part with the rod. You never see one for sale.
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Get em while you can..Sage is getting out of factory gear rods and only producing blanks for warranty replacement
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Well, I just picked up a Sage CT 2106 from Fred's yesterday! I convinced the "boss" that I needed one before they all disappear. :D I "christened" it yesterday aft with a nice spring - handled the fish no problem. I keep losing coho, but it's just a matter of time... :) Now I feel like a serious gear chuck er...
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Well, I just picked up a Sage CT 2106 from Fred's yesterday! I convinced the "boss" that I needed one before they all disappear. :D I "christened" it yesterday aft with a nice spring - handled the fish no problem. I keep losing coho, but it's just a matter of time... :) Now I feel like a serious gear chuck er...
what is the price?
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All the brown 2106, 3106 and 4120 series just had a spot on not too warm not too cold action. And getting harder to find in good shape. If I had the cash I'd go for it. Coincidentally, I saw a nice 4120 on craigslist as well. A bit bigger but killer rod too.
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/spo/1990382704.html
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The brown Sage blanks are very nice indeed. Very classic look. My friend has the old 3113 M with the centerpin. For me right now, I prefer to go with the factory rod. If it breaks - it's covered (minus the deductable). If you break a custom rod, they will replace the blank but you'll need to get the rod rebuilt at your expense. Anyway, Fred's has their Sage gear rods on sale for 499. I called Berry's and they wanted 539 and will not match Fred's price. The response was they will all sell out eventually, and there's none left at the Sage factory as these have all been discontinued. Once they're gone, they're gone... :(. Unless you want to buy second hand from somewhere like craigslist... ;)
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I think sage is really overrated.
Green grapes.
It's exactly what I used to say until I actually gave one a really good try. They are superb rods, say what you may.
I now own two Sages (one XP series fly rod and a 4120 brown blank drifter), and if and when I get the chance to purchase more, I will.
You get what you pay for.
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Green grapes.
It's exactly what I used to say until I actually gave one a really good try. They are superb rods, say what you may.
I now own two Sages (one XP series fly rod and a 4120 brown blank drifter), and if and when I get the chance to purchase more, I will.
You get what you pay for.
Well said. Their top notch rods all the way around Worth the money for sure!!
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Sages are nice rods but too heavy for their sizes IMO. I just got a Loomis 1263C GL3 for my baitcaster and it's freakin awesome. SO LIGHT, sensitive, fast action, and plenty of backbone. Up to you tho.. everyone's different and likes different things ;D