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Title: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: chironomidking on September 19, 2009, 08:33:27 PM
When did this become an acceptable practice?  The pool at the Vedder Rd bridge yesterday evening had over a dozen snaggers (would'nt dare call them fishermen).  Floats, lots of weight and bare hooks (maybe a little wool to make them feel good).  Casting upsteam into pink schools and jerking the gear through.  Pinks coming in with hooks in bellies, tails, fins and backs.  Didn't see a single one caught.  Jackasses.

Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: koko on September 19, 2009, 08:58:23 PM
I have hear about people complant about snagger, BB'R,  how about  be a nice guy to educated people what to do.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Geff_t on September 19, 2009, 09:04:12 PM
They know what they are doing and the only education they need is to learn how to sign their names on the tickets that they get.

chironomidking the next time you see things like this phone the RAPP line.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: BigFisher on September 19, 2009, 09:14:41 PM
Today was my first trip back to the Vedder since september 1st and the number of people now out since then is crazy. Lots of pinks everywhere and like you said lots of people running there 5 feet of weight through 2-3 feet of water. Once they snag a fish, there reefing on it hard to bring it in, only to drag it up on the rocks and decide wheather its a keeper. Just sick.

Im not going to bash on it anymore as we all know whats going on, and we all know if were doing it. Sites like FWR help to educate others on these fishing issues, but I do believe tackle stores could do more to educate as well, or have some sort of fishing boards along the river to address the issues.

Lack of respect for the fish is the reason I do not participate as much as Id like in this great fall salmon fishery.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: koko on September 19, 2009, 09:24:22 PM
They know what they are doing and the only education they need is to learn how to sign their names on the tickets that they get.

chironomidking the next time you see things like this phone the RAPP line.
You are right, it is human nature to take a easy way out, only way to go is a hard lessson.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Rodney on September 19, 2009, 09:53:24 PM
We go through this same discussion every year, but I guess there is a need for it because the problem will not go away by simply ignoring it.

The Chilliwack/Vedder River is heavily fished between September and December for a few reasons. Its distance from Vancouver, its easy bank access, its high productivity due to the hatchery. These features attract many newcomers each year as they get into fishing in BC. They find out about it through tacklestores, websites, their friends and family.

Regulations are readily available, but when it comes to angling ethics and etiquettes, they are not written in stones and vary from angler to angler, depending on one's skill level.

Unless properly guided by experienced anglers, most of us have gone through the same learning path. You show up at the river for the first time, are overwhelmed by the amount of fish that you are seeing and want to catch some fish quickly by following those who are apparently successful around you. If lucky, you find an experienced angler who knows what to do properly and is willing to share his techniques. If not, you find the ones who repetitively catching and releasing fish on almost every cast. Little do you know that most of the fish are foul hooked because the angler is allowing the hook to dredge along the bottom and hooks onto whatever gets in the way. One can call it selective fishing, by constantly "catching" and releasing unwanted fish and keeping the ones that are randomly intercepted among the unwanted fish.

The present problem is a mixture of inexperienced new anglers who are not fully informed and experienced anglers who are well aware of their action. The solution is not immediate and simple. Both education and enforcement are required. Education can be done through websites such as this (I have started the Chilliwack River fall salmon fishing thread for this season (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=21963.0)) and as BigFisher mentioned, through tacklestores. Individual anglers can also help by doing several things, such as helping others who appears to need help. It may seem like a small step, but collectively all can make a difference.

Personally, I would like to see a couple more actions taken place beside the ones mentioned above. I'd like to see information boards set up at main access points. I'd like to see an information sheet with background info on regulations, ethics and etiquettes developed and copies available at tacklestores. Perhaps the money can come from local organizations that we should be supporting, such as the Fraser Valley Salmon Society or the BC Federation of Driftfishers. We can keep talking about the problem but if we don't develop solutions and prevents, the talk would simply become whines.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Stu on September 19, 2009, 09:53:47 PM
I just don't understand this snagging business  ??? ??? ???

- If there is that many fish that you can actually snag them couldn't you just fish for them in a legal way?
- How can they pull it out by snagging in the body? If I hock a fish in the mouth it is hard to make it stay there, many get unhocked. Wouldn't the hock rip out of the flesh easyer than out of their mouth?
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Rantalot on September 19, 2009, 10:00:42 PM
People are lazy, why present the lure or bait and entice a bite when you can just grip and rip?Its every where and now a days you have to be careful to many nut jobs out there.You can call RAPP but DFO rarely shows :-\So what do you do?


 Stu your keyboard has a malfunction:)
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Stu on September 19, 2009, 10:08:44 PM
Stu your keyboard has a malfunction:)

You are right It is my keyboard, why didn't I noticed that earlier  :o
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: hue-nut on September 19, 2009, 10:09:25 PM
I just don't understand this snagging business  ??? ??? ???

- If there is that many fish that you can actually snag them couldn't you just fish for them in a legal way?
- How can they pull it out by snagging in the body? If I hock a fish in the mouth it is hard to make it stay there, many get unhocked. Wouldn't the hock rip out of the flesh easyer than out of their mouth?

lots of fish does not mean that they are all biting fish. Today I could not get a freaking bite, the water was black with fish, day before I landed over 16 fish, but today there were no takers. An asian fellow across from me was having similar luck, I ended up tangling up with him and reeled his line in, what I found was a large, barbed treble hook :o I cut his main line and called the RAPP line. There were no CO's in the area but he said they would send someone down. Anyways it does not hurt to just give them a call and report what you see.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Stu on September 19, 2009, 10:17:48 PM
lots of fish does not mean that they are all biting fish. Today I could not get a freaking bite, the water was black with fish, day before I landed over 16 fish, but today there were no takers. An asian fellow across from me was having similar luck, I ended up tangling up with him and reeled his line in, what I found was a large, barbed treble hook :o I cut his main line and called the RAPP line. There were no CO's in the area but he said they would send someone down. Anyways it does not hurt to just give them a call and report what you see.

That is one other thing I don't understand, The fish stores are fully stocked with treble hooks, and lures with treble hooks. If I understand correctly There is a single barbless hook required in every stream in BC, so why sell them in the 1st place?
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Rodney on September 19, 2009, 10:20:17 PM
That is one other thing I don't understand, The fish stores are fully stocked with treble hooks, and lures with treble hooks. If I understand correctly There is a single barbless hook required in every stream in BC, so why sell them in the 1st place?

Because treble barbed hooks, single barbed hooks, are permitted at some lakes and seas. It is up to anglers to know and follow the regulations that are in effect at the water where they fish.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: bbronswyk2000 on September 19, 2009, 10:34:41 PM
Like Rodney said this happens every year. Why is anyone surprised? I ignore it. I take the Vedder for what it is. An urban hatchery enhanced system. I go fishing to enjoy myself not to get into confrontations or get angered. Its not my job to reprimand everyone I see that is fishing unethically.

Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: hue-nut on September 19, 2009, 10:41:48 PM
Like Rodney said this happens every year. Why is anyone surprised? I ignore it. I take the Vedder for what it is. An urban hatchery enhanced system. I go fishing to enjoy myself not to get into confrontations or get angered. Its not my job to reprimand everyone I see that is fishing unethically.



good point BB, I simply cut this guys line and called the violations line. The snagging is so rampant that it you focus on it, your day will be ruined, better to just do your thing and report what you feel is worthy.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Stu on September 19, 2009, 10:43:07 PM
Because treble barbed hooks, single barbed hooks, are permitted at some lakes and seas. It is up to anglers to know and follow the regulations that are in effect at the water where they fish.

This is a bit confusing to me atm.
This is from the BC freshwater synopsis:
 
Quote
Use barbed hooks or a hook with more
than one point in any river, stream, creek
or slough in B.C. (Note: the use of barbed
hooks in lakes is permitted, unless noted in
the Regional Water-Specific Tables)

According to this, if a lake is not specifically marked as a single barbless hook, I can use treble barbed hooks if i chose so?
 
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Rodney on September 19, 2009, 10:55:18 PM
That is correct.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Stu on September 19, 2009, 10:58:45 PM
Thank you Rodney for clarifying it, I just assumed that I have to use single barbless hooks everywhere.
I just will continue using barbless hooks anyways, much easier on fish if I want to release it.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Fish Assassin on September 19, 2009, 11:05:22 PM
I just don't understand this snagging business  ??? ??? ???

- If there is that many fish that you can actually snag them couldn't you just fish for them in a legal way?
- How can they pull it out by snagging in the body? If I hock a fish in the mouth it is hard to make it stay there, many get unhocked. Wouldn't the hock rip out of the flesh easyer than out of their mouth?

Perhaps it's a case of economics. Lot cheaper buying a bunch of treble hooks and pencil lead. No need for floats, leaders, bait, lures etc.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: scalper66 on September 19, 2009, 11:37:37 PM
snaggers make me sick.....
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: coho killer on September 19, 2009, 11:54:35 PM
should have seen tamahi today...
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: hookme on September 20, 2009, 01:05:25 AM
I was in the canal this morning, near the bridge the same scene  fishermen on the island Snaggers on the other side. I don't know What got in to me? but I just decide to cross the bridge try to talk to one of the guys, rather than Yale " You are Snaging !!!!! You should return the fish !!!!!! " Well we all know what will happened if we said that is either they will give you the LOOK or the FINGER or they will just ignore you and talk by them self on there native language. ??? This guy that I approached a little bit Agitated when he saw me I introduce my self that once I use your technic before, and I told him  there is more better way than just more than a meter leader  and 4 to 5 feet gap from weight to float I show him the rope then...Fish ON! in the mouth  the guy was so proud of him self he was showing it to his freinds. But one guy  BUT IN "Yeah I know that technic ..I don't have the Time and Patience to do that  >:(that's my cue to get out there. It just come to show the guy that I talk to was the Newbie guys and the other one is the MASTER OF SNAGGERS >:(

    
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: marbles on September 20, 2009, 06:32:27 AM
Its not just the vedder they have been''flossing'' for weeks at peg leg,its the most weasley way to fish I have ever seen,me and a friend fished for 8 hours and although hooked plenty of pinks we didnt keep we had 3 keepers,this guy rolls up beside us and in 1.5 hours has 3...slimy
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: mattyo on September 20, 2009, 08:00:55 AM
I'm off to the Vedder today!!! I'm bringing my can of bear spray(for the bears of course) a copy or two of the regs and a few buddies. Gonna educate some of these yahoos myself. :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Davis on September 20, 2009, 08:23:59 AM
I read all the complaining and peed off people here on this thread,do what i do,STOP FISHING THE VEDDER.I live a few mins from the flow and gave up Salmon season on the Vedder a long time ago in disgust.I will not witness the brutal carnage and lack of ethics,gong show.It sickens me so I don't go ,as simple as that.End of story.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: tumbleweed on September 20, 2009, 09:11:30 AM
we were at the Peg Leg yesterday and there was snaggers everywhere. We were using spoons and  catching them all day and it was alot of fun. The guys beside us where snagging them in the hump, it makes me sick. They did pull alot more fish than us but I don't get it. I go fishing to feel them fight and the challenge of catching them. This is my first year salmon fishing and I am still learning but you don't need to be a rocket scientist to now that what they are doing is wrong and they are going to wreck it for all of us.  >:(
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Bavarian Raven on September 20, 2009, 10:25:05 AM
it sickens me too, watching people snag fish like that. what ever happened to the "skill" involved in fishing
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: fisherwithrod on September 20, 2009, 12:48:33 PM
Personally, I would like to see a couple more actions taken place beside the ones mentioned above. I'd like to see information boards set up at main access points. I'd like to see an information sheet with background info on regulations, ethics and etiquettes developed and copies available at tacklestores. Perhaps the money can come from local organizations that we should be supporting, such as the Fraser Valley Salmon Society or the BC Federation of Driftfishers. We can keep talking about the problem but if we don't develop solutions and prevents, the talk would simply become whines.

Very well said. Education must accompany enforcement in my opinion, and we can't leave everything to the government to do.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Gaffer on September 20, 2009, 06:58:27 PM
I'm off to the Vedder today!!! I'm bringing my can of bear spray(for the bears of course) a copy or two of the regs and a few buddies. Gonna educate some of these yahoos myself. :o ;D ;D
So you and "a few of your buddies" are "gonna educate some YAHOOS"? look in the mirror Pal ! Bear Spray ? over a FISH !!??  What's next ? Saturday Night white sheet and pillow cases party?  Grow up for C**** sake! Your collars on too tight
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: hue-nut on September 20, 2009, 07:27:17 PM
So you and "a few of your buddies" are "gonna educate some YAHOOS"? look in the mirror Pal ! Bear Spray ? over a FISH !!??  What's next ? Saturday Night white sheet and pillow cases party?  Grow up for C**** sake! Your collars on too tight

you must be a snagger!!! haha just kidding.  I think that he may have been joking
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: mattyo on September 20, 2009, 08:16:00 PM
Thanks Hue Nut ;D just a little humor!! As much as I want to speak my mind I will take the mature approach and keep my yap closed. I'm going to go and grow up now Gaffer.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: hue-nut on September 20, 2009, 09:08:46 PM
Thanks Hue Nut ;D just a little humor!! As much as I want to speak my mind I will take the mature approach and keep my yap closed. I'm going to go and grow up now Gaffer.

yeah haha no prob, a buddy and I stopped at kwb today on our way back and let me tell you I have seen some gong shows, but today surpassed them all. It was comic chaos, at one point, a guy on the east side hooks a fish...fish on!!! as he starts fighting the fish which was hooked in the tail, guy on the west side hooks a fish and proceeds to fight his fish, actually hooked in the mouth!! they are now fighting each other because they both have hooked the same fish. Anyways it was quite funny but disgusting at the same time, so I gave the RAPP line a call ( foul hooked fish were being kept, and there was willful snagging going on). The way I see it is stay away from the snaggers if you can (hard to do), call it in if you see illegal activity, and don't carry it around with you and let it wreck your day, there will always be snaggers. ::)
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Terry Bodman on September 20, 2009, 09:34:38 PM
I recommend you go to the Interior, find a nice calm lake, and fly fish for rainbows. That way, you will avoid the Vedder show and not get an ulcer. In additiion, you will probably catch some fish and have a great day as a bonus. :D :D
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Stu on September 20, 2009, 10:15:24 PM
I was just thinking, almost anyone has digital cameras\cell phones with camera.
Why not record it and post it lets say on youtube as a hall of shame? Especially making sure the faces are well recognizable.

Just a thought.  :-X
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: jon5hill on September 21, 2009, 12:12:50 AM
All it takes is a great angler to convince snaggers that they are idiots. I watched this man once at the Vedder when I was like 12 years old, and to this day he defines what I think is an ethical and masterful angler. He was standing alongside about 30 other guys near the boundary by slesse, downstream from the hole that everyone gets up at 3AM to secure for the morning. He was casting across stream with this really old looking seldex centerpin and hooked fish at literally a 10 to 1 rate when compared to everyone else including all the snaggers. All of the fish hooked in the top of the mouth, or the side of the mouth. He was a very unassuming and quiet man in his 40's. People were emphatic that the spot he was in was some honey hole. He was very courteous, and when someone tried to get into his spot he'd simply give them the spot and walk somewhere else, where he would be just as successful anyway. I watched about 4 or 5 guys walk up to him, put their rods down and just watch. It was art the way he was mending the line, and making minor adjustments to his rig. He released every single fish he caught, and when he was done, he quietly filled a garbage bag with trash and left. He was like Indiana Jones amongst a bunch of chimpanzees playing with their own poopoo.

Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: mattyo on September 21, 2009, 06:14:24 AM
Lead by example! While fishing the vedder yesterday I saw a father and son casting away. They werent catching or snagging many fish.my buddy and I were floating some roe catching the odd pink. This other guy comes up and suggests that they were not fishing deep enough. The father and son than adjusted their floats to be dragging the weight off the bottom. Wouldn't you know it every cast, fish on:(. I know what I'm going to see when I go to the Vedder so this was no suprise. It just kills me though to see young kids be taught these terrible techniques and ethics. ::)
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: jimmywits on September 21, 2009, 08:27:39 AM
All it takes is a great angler to convince snaggers that they are idiots. I watched this man once at the Vedder when I was like 12 years old, and to this day he defines what I think is an ethical and masterful angler. He was standing alongside about 30 other guys near the boundary by slesse, downstream from the hole that everyone gets up at 3AM to secure for the morning. He was casting across stream with this really old looking seldex centerpin and hooked fish at literally a 10 to 1 rate when compared to everyone else including all the snaggers. All of the fish hooked in the top of the mouth, or the side of the mouth. He was a very unassuming and quiet man in his 40's. People were emphatic that the spot he was in was some honey hole. He was very courteous, and when someone tried to get into his spot he'd simply give them the spot and walk somewhere else, where he would be just as successful anyway. I watched about 4 or 5 guys walk up to him, put their rods down and just watch. It was art the way he was mending the line, and making minor adjustments to his rig. He released every single fish he caught, and when he was done, he quietly filled a garbage bag with trash and left. He was like Indiana Jones amongst a bunch of chimpanzees playing with their own poopoo.


Thanks for a great story and a good laugh, that,s a classic!
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: skaha on September 21, 2009, 09:37:39 AM
--I don't like to see things come to this but what about a limited entry permit tag like is used in some hunting areas.

--It is a large number tag pinned on with a number visible to all others.
--With the number ID you simply have to observe record report.

--I use barbless circle hooks, however even these can be used for "flossing" if not rigged and fished properly.

--And yah fly fishers aren't more ethical, any rookie will know in short order a barbless hook is just less painful to remove from your hat.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: SMo007 on September 21, 2009, 10:11:14 AM
All it takes is a great angler to convince snaggers that they are idiots. I watched this man once at the Vedder when I was like 12 years old, and to this day he defines what I think is an ethical and masterful angler. He was standing alongside about 30 other guys near the boundary by slesse, downstream from the hole that everyone gets up at 3AM to secure for the morning. He was casting across stream with this really old looking seldex centerpin and hooked fish at literally a 10 to 1 rate when compared to everyone else including all the snaggers. All of the fish hooked in the top of the mouth, or the side of the mouth. He was a very unassuming and quiet man in his 40's. People were emphatic that the spot he was in was some honey hole. He was very courteous, and when someone tried to get into his spot he'd simply give them the spot and walk somewhere else, where he would be just as successful anyway. I watched about 4 or 5 guys walk up to him, put their rods down and just watch. It was art the way he was mending the line, and making minor adjustments to his rig. He released every single fish he caught, and when he was done, he quietly filled a garbage bag with trash and left. He was like Indiana Jones amongst a bunch of chimpanzees playing with their own poopoo.




That is a great story. As a new fisherman, it's what I aspire to be, and hopefully what I'm teaching to my little girl.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: tumbleweed on September 21, 2009, 05:37:29 PM
All it takes is a great angler to convince snaggers that they are idiots. I watched this man once at the Vedder when I was like 12 years old, and to this day he defines what I think is an ethical and masterful angler. He was standing alongside about 30 other guys near the boundary by slesse, downstream from the hole that everyone gets up at 3AM to secure for the morning. He was casting across stream with this really old looking seldex centerpin and hooked fish at literally a 10 to 1 rate when compared to everyone else including all the snaggers. All of the fish hooked in the top of the mouth, or the side of the mouth. He was a very unassuming and quiet man in his 40's. People were emphatic that the spot he was in was some honey hole. He was very courteous, and when someone tried to get into his spot he'd simply give them the spot and walk somewhere else, where he would be just as successful anyway. I watched about 4 or 5 guys walk up to him, put their rods down and just watch. It was art the way he was mending the line, and making minor adjustments to his rig. He released every single fish he caught, and when he was done, he quietly filled a garbage bag with trash and left. He was like Indiana Jones amongst a bunch of chimpanzees playing with their own poopoo.


Thanks for sharing that, it's a great story.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: fisherwithrod on September 21, 2009, 07:24:01 PM
"...what about a limited entry permit tag like is used in some hunting areas.
--It is a large number tag pinned on with a number visible to all others.
--With the number ID you simply have to observe record report."

This idea can have some traction. The entry tag would mention a "total number of fish caught in a season" and a fillable table by various categories; every fish kept is recorded; once you have reached the maximum you cannot keep fish anymore for the season. This can be a practical way to keep the pressure down for all types of (non)ethical fishermen out there. Easier to explain and enforce. Just an opinion...
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: hue-nut on September 21, 2009, 09:05:07 PM
there will always be snaggers and unfortunately most of the places that snaggers fish, there is no "bite", the fish are totally molested and will not bite, so it can be very hard to show people another way and how successful you can be short floating.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: jon5hill on September 22, 2009, 11:44:41 PM
I fished the Vedder this morning at first light, non stop all the way until 5pm. \

There were no visible coho or springs except one dead jack spring on the shore and the usual 900 million pinks. I may have got a bite on my first cast with my fly rod, but after that all the way until 4PM no fish were biting. I threw roe (my first cure, not so well done but the spider wire saved me), blades, spoons, and flies at them (the pinks) and none would bite. I foul hooked quite a few trying to figure out the best way to avoid them. I foul hooked them with my fly rod too as I was using intermediate sinking line. I finally got it solved though. Put the fly rod away and went to the bait tosser - adjust your float so that it's half a foot from your pencil lead. 1 foot leader to whatever you are presenting and voila - no snagging. When they started to bite at 4pm, I managed 8 hookups in a row all in the mouth. I finally started to feel like an angler after that and kept one rather silver looking female.  I saw one other guy short-floating amongst about 20 other guys. The remaining 19 guys were all flat-floats, dragging and snagging. To the uninformed observer, it is all the same, but it makes a world of difference among us.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: hue-nut on September 23, 2009, 09:45:25 PM
fished first light today, guy comes in across the river from me, no float, big friggn weight, first cast pink in the back, second cast pink in the tail. ::)  Next thing I know...kerplunk!! he's dredging the water that I showed up at first light for, to short float some biting fish! I yell over to him that I don't want him bouncing the water that I am floating because, I am actually trying to get the fish to bite, as I am talking my float drains, fish on! I proceed to hook 20 plus fish over the next two hours and land 12, fishing 8 feet of water about 4 feet from float to roe bag. The snagger switches to a float when the sunlight comes out, all in all he hooked about 8 fish, could not keep even one of them because they were all fouled.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: skaha on September 24, 2009, 01:30:29 PM
--I know I'm not a snagger when....just spent 3 days at little shuswap near chase. not one bite. not the kind of pressure you coastal guys are used to but no one at the boat launch had caught a fish in a couple of days..just to stop the laughter about our fishing abilities, several had caught fish on sunday but not bites since. The fish seem to turn on and off.
--one plus for tackle manufacturers when not getting bites start using everything in the box to try and figure something out.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Froodogga on September 24, 2009, 07:04:38 PM
the bottom bouncing crew was out again today on the lower vedder...pulling fish in sideways and backwards...the biggest eye rolling comes when they place the fish they just dragged up about 15 feet out of the water on a tee and kick field goals with them... >:(
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: jon5hill on September 24, 2009, 08:31:44 PM
the bottom bouncing crew was out again today on the lower vedder...pulling fish in sideways and backwards...the biggest eye rolling comes when they place the fish they just dragged up about 15 feet out of the water on a tee and kick field goals with them... >:(

Oh my god are you serious? That right there would have been the threshold of my tolerance. I'd enter raging bull mode and probably start by letting my fists do the talking. That's the most horrible thing I've heard of. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Froodogga on September 25, 2009, 09:33:29 AM
I was exaggerating a bit...i mean there was no actual "tee" but, there was definately "air time" and about two to three feet of elevation on most fish kicked back into the river... :-[
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: doja on September 25, 2009, 09:50:09 AM
I was exaggerating a bit...i mean there was no actual "tee" but, there was definately "air time" and about two to three feet of elevation on most fish kicked back into the river... :-[

Ya I've seen this before too. Usually older experienced people who are tired of bending down to gentle release the fish.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: chris gadsden on September 25, 2009, 11:56:41 PM
What I sent to FOC and others this evening.

While out on the Vedder River today I was again shocked by the methods many people were using to snag the pinks. Most were not even fishing by a method that would even see the fish biting. Many were hauling them up on the beach before releasing them or keeping them. I had also had to have a talk to 3 people who put down their fishing rods and were trying to catch pinks by their hands in a shallow side stream. If the resources are there the FOC officers will be kept very busy writing tickets. It is a very sad situation out there that certainly spoils the fishing experience these days.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: lucky on September 27, 2009, 05:15:35 PM
Lately I've been fishing around #3 road and there are a bunch of snaggers there who have it down to a science. The way to do it is to snag a big chinook then walk it down river away from everyone else, then get your buddy to net it and remove the hook so that nobody can see that it was snagged.

Before today I've never seen so many pinks walking backwards across the water  ::) One fellow used a bit too much force and snapped his rod!  ;D
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Froodogga on September 27, 2009, 07:03:06 PM
Another technique I've seen is where a dude foul hooks a fish, takes it to where he thinks he is far enough so nobody can see, then takes the hook out of the tail fin and hooks it into the fish's mouth, then carries it back to where he initially caught it...I've seen "that move" about a dozen times in the last 5 years or so...
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: troutbreath on September 28, 2009, 01:53:29 PM
Probably the best thing to do is let people know the best way to target the fish without snagging them. Then the snaggers look like losers who don't know how to catch fish.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: skaha on September 28, 2009, 06:45:19 PM
--It would not take much money to have some posters placed at strategic places to demo the no snagging rule. after all DFO gets reg change posters put up and no fishing posters put up when the rule is not followed.
--This would help the people that truely do not know. there is little hope for those who choose to ignor the rule other than peer pressure of many fishers following the rules.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Fish Assassin on September 28, 2009, 07:24:26 PM
Majority of the people snagging knows the rules but choose to ignore them. The fact that they land their fish downstream away from other fishers would seem to confirm that.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: scotkemp on October 10, 2009, 06:16:47 PM
i am absolutely disgusted i was at the train bridge and i seen at least 50 people snag fish accidently or purposly and keep them. the guy beside me showed up 4 bottom bouncing casts 4 fish snagged and he kept all 4. and not to mention peoples kids were bashing fish with sticks in a small stream if you take offence to this well than!!!!! i will give you my address
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: rhino on October 10, 2009, 06:22:57 PM
no need to be soo irate...what did you do about it?did you call dfo? Being pro active is easier on the nerves and stress levels from my experience.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: marbles on October 10, 2009, 06:27:49 PM
i am absolutely disgusted i was at the train bridge and i seen at least 50 people snag fish accidently or purposly and keep them. the guy beside me showed up 4 bottom bouncing casts 4 fish snagged and he kept all 4. and not to mention peoples kids were bashing fish with sticks in a small stream if you take offence to this well than!!!!! i will give you my address
I agree with yopu theres lots of scum bags out there and thedfo know where they are,but do nothing
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Stratocaster on October 10, 2009, 06:46:42 PM
Has anybody even hooked any pinks lately that were worth keeping?  Why is it still open for them?  IMHO retention of pinks should have stopped as of Sept 30th.  I remember a time when coho and spring jacks were the only thing that you were allowed to keep on the Vedder.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Frankey on October 10, 2009, 07:19:46 PM
When will the carnage finaly end?
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: chris gadsden on October 10, 2009, 07:28:00 PM
When will the carnage finaly end?
I thought in a week but I saw some fresh ones taken today but the numbers are decreasing by the look of the morgue along the beaches. Maybe the smell will decrease the people out there too. :-\
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: scotkemp on October 10, 2009, 08:36:31 PM
yes i am irate about this and yes dfo will be called and my girlfriend is writing a lettewr to the editorial section of all lower mainland papers
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: splenule on October 10, 2009, 08:43:05 PM
I like the idea of photographing the offenders (preferably with a clear view of their faces) and posting the pics and/or sending them to the DFO.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Frankey on October 11, 2009, 06:50:38 AM
DFO is fully aware of whats happening out there and turning a blind eye.The best thing that could happen now is some heavy rains to flush the system out and end what has been the worst i have ever seen.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: scotkemp on October 11, 2009, 09:14:25 PM
im gonna start vigilante justice im gonna go not fish and take detailed videos of people fishing illegal than im gonna follow them to there vehicle with licence plate and all than send it to dfo and place vehicle descriptions and plate numbers here
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: dennisK on October 12, 2009, 07:28:48 AM
im gonna start vigilante justice im gonna go not fish and take detailed videos of people fishing illegal than im gonna follow them to there vehicle with licence plate and all than send it to dfo and place vehicle descriptions and plate numbers here

You should carry some protection in case you get harassed by the poachers. I hear bear spray is good.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: skaha on October 12, 2009, 09:05:26 AM
DFO is fully aware of whats happening out there and turning a blind eye.The best thing that could happen now is some heavy rains to flush the system out and end what has been the worst i have ever seen.

--Please put the blame where it belongs on DFO political Bosses. If DFO is given the bodies and direction they would be happy to do their job.
--Write a letter to your MP for DFO and MLA for CO's

--Let them know how much this is costing them to allow this kind of paractice. Even local tackle shops should be concerned because they don't make as much money on a person with a big hook, piece of yarn and a snagging pole as they would with legit fishers trying every lure, fly, and fishing method to try and get the fish to bite!
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: trout80 on October 12, 2009, 12:38:45 PM
I wonder if the dfo would be willing to pay to train and uniform volunteers who would be willing to donate their time to patrol our rivers and bust these people.I would sign up in a heartbeat so would my son.The province could also do this for volunteer Co's to patrol our lakes where we know there is also poaching going on.
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: dennisK on October 13, 2009, 11:02:05 AM
seems like problems are not just here.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLOBjgE-BuI&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: Rantalot on October 13, 2009, 11:07:54 AM
wow what a complete moron :-\
Title: Re: Snagging pinks in the Vedder
Post by: cutthroat22 on October 13, 2009, 11:20:35 AM
Oh my goodness.  Did he kiss the fish or headbutt it?   ???

I really think we need more of these vids showing folks on our local flows.