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[Uncivil]

I don't mean to start the debate all over again but I was reading the fishing reports and Chris Gadsen mentioned that "the best bait for sockeye is krill or small ghost shrimp" .  I guess I missed something in all the bite don't bite posts about the Fraser fishery.  I was under the impression that the only way to catch a sockeye in Fresh water was by flossing.  Is this a clear water thing? Vedder, Harrison specific ? Just curious.  I wouldn't mind float fishing for Sockeye if the opportunity is there I just didn't think it was worth it.  

[dennisK]

would you be fishing ghost shrimp "bar style" - cast out and sit and wait?

[casinoJim]

Fact : In the Vedder I am float fishing with a short leader... I often ( with wool ) land and release Sockeye with a hook set exactly the same as the springs I land.

My opinion is the Sockeye are biting my wool presentation.

Am I wrong here?? Please let me know if I am missing something.

CJ.

[TtotheE]

I've read somewhere that socks bite when HOLDING, but are lockjaw on the move.  I can believe socks would take your presentation while you were short floating for other salmon in the Vedder.

[Dynamite kid]

It's a proven fact that sockeye will bite even after entering freshwater,I have caught them shortfloating in the vedder river and also at the mouth of the Thompson in september when fishing for spring jacks.I have also caught them float fishing in the fraser,top end of herrling island 12 years ago when myself and dr sg were the only ones on the whole bar.It is also proven fact that sockeye will take shrimp type baits in the Harrison ,however it has not been open as of late so we will have to wait and see what happens.Sockeye are obviously very fond of shrimp and krill as their red flesh is evidence of this.Next time your on the Fraser and the sock fishing is hot ,try float fishing some deli shrimp in tight to shore,make sure the flow is a little less than typical flossing type water.You might be surprised at what happens,also try a chunk of sockeye roe as their are many more spring jacks than you would imagine.It may be much more challenging to hook fish in this manner ,but much more rewarding also.Good luck.

[Sam Salmon]

I've caught Sockeye in the Fraser on a small green corky on 18" of leader under a float-same as fishing a smaller river.

That was before all the snagging started now I won't go near that fishery.

[JP PATCHES]

CJ, the sockeye in the Vedder might bite your wool every now & then, springs too. But more often than not they are lined. Short leader or long wool will foul pooled up salmon. Wool is a lethal lining tool. If you see a group of snaggers, what are they using....wool. If you feel your flossin' em, go real short with you hook at least 15" off bottom & see if they bite....you'll get the more aggressive fish.....the ones we want.

[JP PATCHES]

Right on Doc, I would like to see more short floaters on the Vedder, its great to see a float go right down unlike bottom dragging. Do ya use shot lines or bulk lead?

[JP PATCHES]

Nice to see there are some shortfloaters left. You must be a Thompson regular Doc?

[chris gadsden]

Casino Jim:sockeye do bite wool.

I will relate a short (no pun intended) floating story re sockeye fishing.

It was when we first got the sockeye open through The Fraser Valley Salmon Society and we had a high runoff and the water levels were up that year during the sockeye migration. I landed 9 or 11 one day ( not sure of numbers) while fishing springs. I was connecting with the sockeye in a clear river mouth area on bugs.

 As I use a little pink wool when I fish springs, coho and steelhead with my roe or bugs my bug fell off or was taken off by a fish. I thought I would try fishing just the wool. Well to my surprise the sockeye were pulling the float down and if I was winding in slowly they would chase it.

So that day I knew they would bite but of course they have to be able to see the wool or if using bait smell it.

PP Patches if you are concerned if the fish you are catching are biting all you have to see were they are hooked. From my fishing experience a biting fish will be hooked inside the mouth at least 95% of the time while a fish flossed will be hooked outside the mouth 95% of the time.

Just inspect the mouth area when you land it but of course keep it in the water until you decide if you are keeping or releasing it.

I also think I will take DK adviceand try floatfishing long the edges of the Fraser when the sockeye are in thick. However when we started fishing sockeye we fished that way and did not get many. As well we knew nothing about flossing so we never checked where the were hooked but now we know so will be inspecting each fish caught if we hook any. Stay tunned as we will see if we can roll some shortly.

[JP PATCHES]

Thanks for the response Chris, I do agree sockeye will take wool, but most of the time.........Another way to tell if you fouled the fish is the side of the river you're fishing from. If you are fishing the drivers side & the fish are hooked in the passenger side chances are they are lined. If you are fishing the drivers side & hooking them in the mouth or drivers side, they probably bit.

Chris, do you know how to get in touch with the FVSS, I sent in dues 2 yrs in a row with no response, reciept anything. Do they still exist?

[chris gadsden]

Thanks for the response Chris, I do agree sockeye will take wool, but most of the time.........Another way to tell if you fouled the fish is the side of the river you're fishing from. If you are fishing the drivers side & the fish are hooked in the passenger side chances are they are lined. If you are fishing the drivers side & hooking them in the mouth or drivers side, they probably bit.

Chris, do you know how to get in touch with the FVSS, I sent in dues 2 yrs in a row with no response, reciept anything. Do they still exist?

Contact them through their web site and tell them of your concern. If no response let me know.

http://members.shaw.ca/fraservalleysalmonsociety/

[Bantam_50]

I also know that trolling a certain spoon will take sock's off a certain river mouth in the Fraser. So you know they're biting. But it's more likely an aggression bite, than a feeding one. I'm sure that's what most angler's are experiencing in the Vedder.


Chris you should pm me and I'll give you a heads up on that spoon. You could try some experimenting (using leaf craft 2) and post the results.

btw - that spoon took 3 socks and 2 coho's in the first week of Sept..... Doh!...did we just let the cat out of the bag.

[ham]

Sam you know how to fish

[Uncivil]

Thanks for the replies folks.  I will have to try it some time.  How do you fish Krill though and were do you get it or do you just use shrimp baits.  Also If i read it right the river needs to be relativley clear.   Now the kicker question, my understanding of short floating is keeping the leader short (12" to 24") and the "bait" at least 2 feet off the bottom.  By my reading you guys are keeping the bait quite a bit higher than that.  I am confused can someone help me out a bit?