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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: chris gadsden on June 30, 2012, 02:02:53 PM
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http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2012/06/27/2581214/northwest-sees-record-returns.html
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http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2012/06/27/2581214/northwest-sees-record-returns.html
Those fish don't have to pass any feedlots on the way out to the ocean, do they?
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Those fish don't have to pass any feedlots on the way out to the ocean, do they?
That is why lots of them are returning. ;D ;D
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Those fish don't have to pass any feedlots on the way out to the ocean, do they?
You must know Washington State raises Atlantic salmon in net pens. What may not be known is what Columbia River sockeye juvenile migrants, and specifically the stocks mentioned, do when meeting the Pacific. They have 3 choices … head south to probably warmer water, not a wise choice according to recent science; head due west to the open ocean; or head north to mingle with Fraser, Skeena, Nass, Alaskan, and Russian stocks in the N. Pacific and Bering Sea. I don't pretend to know how they migrate or where they go but I would bet it's where other sockeye stocks mentioned above rear successfully.
If that is indeed the case these stocks probably migrate past the same BC salmon farms Fraser stocks do.
Too bad there isn't more data on this but that's coming from David Welch and a host of big name scientists (sorry, Alexandra Morton was not asked to collaborate). Big bucks have been promised to track seaward bound salmonids, including fish on routes past active salmon farms.
Would love to dig up the link for you but it's Saturday night … look on the Cohen site for the proposal and details.
Or google P.O.S.T.. Dr. David Welch
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Nice post dave. Those are exciting and useful studies underway. Money well spent.
Now if only Morton could get her hands on the results before everybody else. She could really do something with it. Its the one big advantage of her paying for her own tests and research. Regardless of the content she can release to the public what ever version or interpretation she wishes. Its highly effective for her cause.
What ever happened to the lab results from her last claim?
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Going Green Good for Pattison’s Pocket Book
Protesting the Protesters, June 29, 2012
A common protest against salmon farms is that they are owned by multinational corporations. It seems that to these protesters big industry = bad. But when a large industry matches your world view it is ok and it doesn’t matter how much money they make or how many nations they are involved in because they agree with your beliefs. Two examples of this: the “wild” Alaskan fishery (marketing coordinated by ASMI) and Jim Pattison Group (which owns companies across Canada and the US). I have talked at length about the billion dollar Alaskan industry but what is going on with Jim Pattison Group (JPG)? June 28, 2012: Overwaitea Food Group, which is owned by JPG, achieved a “green” ranking in Greenpeace‘s seafood sustainability report by discontinuing “red-listed” items such as net-pen farmed salmon.
http://protestingtheprotesters.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/going-green-good-for-pattisons-pocket-book/ (http://protestingtheprotesters.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/going-green-good-for-pattisons-pocket-book/)
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Going Green Good for Pattison’s Pocket Book
Protesting the Protesters, June 29, 2012
A common protest against salmon farms is that they are owned by multinational corporations. It seems that to these protesters big industry = bad. But when a large industry matches your world view it is ok and it doesn’t matter how much money they make or how many nations they are involved in because they agree with your beliefs. Two examples of this: the “wild” Alaskan fishery (marketing coordinated by ASMI) and Jim Pattison Group (which owns companies across Canada and the US). I have talked at length about the billion dollar Alaskan industry but what is going on with Jim Pattison Group (JPG)? June 28, 2012: Overwaitea Food Group, which is owned by JPG, achieved a “green” ranking in Greenpeace‘s seafood sustainability report by discontinuing “red-listed” items such as net-pen farmed salmon.
http://protestingtheprotesters.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/going-green-good-for-pattisons-pocket-book/ (http://protestingtheprotesters.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/going-green-good-for-pattisons-pocket-book/)
Nice hi-jack!
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You must know Washington State raises Atlantic salmon in net pens. What may not be known is what Columbia River sockeye juvenile migrants, and specifically the stocks mentioned, do when meeting the Pacific. They have 3 choices … head south to probably warmer water, not a wise choice according to recent science; head due west to the open ocean; or head north to mingle with Fraser, Skeena, Nass, Alaskan, and Russian stocks in the N. Pacific and Bering Sea. I don't pretend to know how they migrate or where they go .........
Ending your analysis with a line like that, kinda ruined the credibility of your analysis Dave...... ;)
I think Chris and I are winning this one. ;D ;D
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Too bad there isn't more data on this but that's coming from David Welch and a host of big name scientists (sorry, Alexandra Morton was not asked to collaborate). Big bucks have been promised to track seaward bound salmonids, including fish on routes past active salmon farms.
Would love to dig up the link for you but it's Saturday night … look on the Cohen site for the proposal and details.
Or google P.O.S.T.. Dr. David Welch
Thanks for posting this Dave. Now that these acoustic telemetry tags are becoming much smaller we can hopefully look at a larger size distribution. However, it appears as though your post was not clearly understood by a particular member already. I will attempt to assist at this point.
http://kintama.com/faqs/ (specifically read #2)
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Ya know, it doesn't matter how many times I read Larry, Curly and Moe's pro salmon farm RAH! RAH! posts, I still feel like I'm staring at the southbound emissions of a northbound unnuetered male bovine, sorta overcome with nausea. Do you boys get together for script parties?
AF - JUST THIS ONCE , I'm agreeing with you. Weird huh?
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AF - JUST THIS ONCE , I'm agreeing with you. Weird huh?
I knew you'd come around to seeing things as they really are....... ;D ;D
Maybe there's hope for the pro-feedlot boys as well.
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http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Vancouver+Aquarium+forced+lack+funds+disband+marine+life+tracking+program/6849724/story.html
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I knew you'd come around to seeing things as they really are....... ;D ;D
Maybe there's hope for the pro-feedlot boys as well.
Nope - They're way too busy polishing each others shoes to let facts get in the way. ;)
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Nope - They're way too busy polishing each others shoes to let facts get in the way. ;)
We shoe shiners are looking forward to reading something intelligent, or anything meaningful, you can bring to this discussion :D
How about starting with your interpretation of "the facts"?
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Ya know, it doesn't matter how many times I read Larry, Curly and Moe's pro salmon farm RAH! RAH! posts, I still feel like I'm staring at the southbound emissions of a northbound unnuetered male bovine, sorta overcome with nausea. Do you boys get together for script parties?
AF - JUST THIS ONCE , I'm agreeing with you. Weird huh?
Actually the last post really had nothing to do with either being pro or anti salmon farming. It was to clearly demonstrate that it has been difficult to track salmon in their ocean phase. We know very little about the early marine life of Pacific salmonids. There are many projects going on right now to help address this. Knowing this, Dave was being honest in his response that he wasn’t going to pretend where they migrate; however, some people like to go out on a limb and presume they know everything already. Then limb breaks and they start crying foul – the typical response of anti-fish farm critics. Or worse, they follow Ms Morton off the edge of a cliff like a herd of buffalo.
David Welch works for Kintama and deals specifically with this sort of telemetry tracking. I had the opportunity to listen to a presentation from him some time ago. If you would have tried looking up David Welch, POST or Kintama by googling (like most good cyberscientists do already) you would have found this out. Perhaps if you did a little more listening and less ranting about bovines you might learn something too. Have a Happy Canada Day!
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We know very little about the early marine life of Pacific salmonids
Point, set match. I don't think gambling with the wild runs is a smart idea. I've also first hand witnessed what's happened around a feedlot in my native Nova Scotia that used to have some pretty prolific lobster catches in that area for generations until the "farm". Funny, you assume my posts to be of ignorance. You're not the first persons I've offended with plain speech and somehow, I doubt you'll be the last. (and try reading some humour in it there Curly ;D ;D ;D)
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We know very little about the early marine life of Pacific salmonids
Point, set match. I don't think gambling with the wild runs is a smart idea. I've also first hand witnessed what's happened around a feedlot in my native Nova Scotia that used to have some pretty prolific lobster catches in that area for generations until the "farm". Funny, you assume my posts to be of ignorance. You're not the first persons I've offended with plain speech and somehow, I doubt you'll be the last. (and try reading some humour in it there Curly ;D ;D ;D)
I am used to insults coming from people that don't know what they are talking about. No offence really taken.
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kintama :o :o ;D ;D ::) ::)
Odd choice for a name....
Again, we get the ignorance thing thrown up.Repugnant,lame and sad really, but a subterfuge of arrogance is expected when defending the history of feedlots.Care for a nice cup of Norway or Scotland's records with fish "farms"? With that record and the balognie that followed it, credibility isn't there. Reread my previous post about the lobster area in Nova Scotia. Being that Dave spent some time studying at Dalhousie, he might have some knowledge about this. While it may be true I hold no degrees as my family didn't have the resources to send me there,(being fishermen) I also don't rely on my income from one side or drink from that kool aid pitcher of either side. I also witnessed what mismanagement did to eastern stocks, all the time being cheer-led along by corporate interests - not the fisheries best interests. The lesson was learned the hard way for many families that depended on fishing as a way of life for generations, mine being one.
Sincerely, Ignoramus Maximus ;) ;)
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Do you guys ever get beyond slagging anyone who disagrees with your interpretations? What would prompt you to look up the Urban Dictionary definitions of the name of a perfectly legitimate research outfit and why would you think they were relevant?
Your points would carry far more weight if you could get beyond the shooting at the messenger and provide some actual facts in support of your broad brush declarations.
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kintama :o :o ;D ;D ::) ::)
Odd choice for a name....
Again, we get the ignorance thing thrown up.Repugnant,lame and sad really, but a subterfuge of arrogance is expected when defending the history of feedlots.Care for a nice cup of Norway or Scotland's records with fish "farms"? With that record and the balognie that followed it, credibility isn't there. Reread my previous post about the lobster area in Nova Scotia. Being that Dave spent some time studying at Dalhousie, he might have some knowledge about this. While it may be true I hold no degrees as my family didn't have the resources to send me there,(being fishermen) I also don't rely on my income from one side or drink from that kool aid pitcher of either side. I also witnessed what mismanagement did to eastern stocks, all the time being cheer-led along by corporate interests - not the fisheries best interests. The lesson was learned the hard way for many families that depended on fishing as a way of life for generations, mine being one.
Sincerely, Ignoramus Maximus ;) ;)
So, your response to a BC company that is helping to establish our ability to track the movements of Pacific salmon is to find its name in the Urban Dictionary and slag it? That seems a bit strange since anti-fish farm critics love to cite Dr. Welch’s work as being leading edge. The bold text is a nice touch – makes me really take notice.
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He had the kintamas to put it in bold. ;D
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http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2012/06/27/2581214/northwest-sees-record-returns.html
"A record run of more than 400,000 of the Columbia Basin's farthest-swimming salmon are expected to return this year, almost all of them wild fish bred in rivers, instead of the hatcheries that produce most Northwest salmon."
LOL! Right! :D
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Do you guys ever get beyond slagging anyone who disagrees with your interpretations? What would prompt you to look up the Urban Dictionary definitions of the name of a perfectly legitimate research outfit and why would you think they were relevant?
Your points would carry far more weight if you could get beyond the shooting at the messenger and provide some actual facts in support of your broad brush declarations.
Just returning fire Sir ;D Um, google it and see what comes up. If you find a different definition than I did, please let me know. I didn't invent this. ::) Maybe Dave has a warped sense of humour. ??? Again, I'm a plain spoken man who states what I believe to be accurate, although I'm never wrong.Well I thought I was wrong once, it just turns out I was mistaken . Never figured fisherman to be the overly sensitive types. Mistaken again. ;)
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I did Bing it and the first hit is Kintamaresearch.org, an obvious place to start. The second is kintama.com as Steve suggested you look at and the third is the urban dictionary site. Of course, a giggle about testicles is certainly more worthy of mention than anything you might have read on either of the first two about the subject of the discussion: you did look at them didn't you? The rest of your answer was a passable evasion of any question you may have been asked. You may well never be wrong, but are you ever relevant?
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BING is Not Google. BING is Not Google.BING is Not Google.BING is Not Google.BING is Not Google. (Get the point?)
Ya know the low opine you have of me really hurts. :'( :'( :'( Sorry, I had you confused with a fisherman, but as it turns out, after a little research, I found another aquaculture shill. I have grandkids that I want to see wild salmon and what's left of wild BC, not a bunch of money funneled off to Norway after our runs have been destroyed. I will fight tooth and nail to see that doesn't happen with whatever resources I can muster.
Here's what GOOGLE - not bing- GOOGLE (get that - GOOGLE) comes up with. I'm sure you're man enough to apologize to me. ;D ;D
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Regardless of the direction they swim once leaving their estuary, I would be intrigued to hear that Columbia River Sockeye were making a detour through the inside passage past those aforementioned feedlots.
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A timely story about stupidity and shortsightedness:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/06/29/f-cod-moratorium-history.html
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A timely story about stupidity and shortsightedness:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/06/29/f-cod-moratorium-history.html
Agreed. Over harvesting is bad stuff, and is happening to wild salmon on this coast as I type.
But, what has this to do with salmon farming in BC except to reinforce our posiition that to save wild salmon, harvest rates must drop?
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"A record run of more than 400,000 of the Columbia Basin's farthest-swimming salmon are expected to return this year, almost all of them wild fish bred in rivers, instead of the hatcheries that produce most Northwest salmon."
LOL! Right! :D
The news story should have elaborated a little more about the contribution of hatchery raised Sockeye from a DFO hatchery in the area as well as the hard work from local First Nations. In fact, I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that Okanagan Nation Alliance is interested in constructing their own hatchery for the purpose of promoting the reintroduction of Sockeye to Skaha Lake.
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I believe that they want to see Sockeye back in all the feeder streams of the Okanogan basin.
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BING is Not Google. BING is Not Google.BING is Not Google.BING is Not Google.BING is Not Google. (Get the point?)
Ya know the low opine you have of me really hurts. :'( :'( :'( Sorry, I had you confused with a fisherman, but as it turns out, after a little research, I found another aquaculture shill. I have grandkids that I want to see wild salmon and what's left of wild BC, not a bunch of money funneled off to Norway after our runs have been destroyed. I will fight tooth and nail to see that doesn't happen with whatever resources I can muster.
Here's what GOOGLE - not bing- GOOGLE (get that - GOOGLE) comes up with. I'm sure you're man enough to apologize to me. ;D ;D...........
Sorry son, when I Google Kintama, thats Google, not Bing, get that? Google, not Bing, the first four links that come up take me to the Kintama.com site that Steve suggested. The fifth delivers me to your site. It appears that Google has remembered your preferences if it delivers you to the urban dictionary site. And of course, regardless of position in the list, there is still that fiddly little question of relevance. As you say, I am sure you're man enough to apologize to me.
And you still manage to remain irrelevant and true to form; not a word about topic or the work Kintama does (you still haven't read it have you?) but you do include a snide personal comment and some other diversionary nonsense. About the only thing you've managed to prove so far is that I was right in my original comments.
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The news story should have elaborated a little more about the contribution of hatchery raised Sockeye from a DFO hatchery in the area as well as the hard work from local First Nations. In fact, I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that Okanagan Nation Alliance is interested in constructing their own hatchery for the purpose of promoting the reintroduction of Sockeye to Skaha Lake.
In October 2003, the Okanagan Nation Alliance proceeded with a small Okanagan sockeye broodstock collection and egg take, raised the eggs in a hatchery, and released 352,500 sockeye fry into Skaha Lake. This marked a historic occasion, where, for the first time in over 50 years, sockeye salmon were able to occupy their historic habitat within Skaha Lake.
http://www.syilx.org/naturalresources-majorinitiatives.php
Broodstock collection and egg-take occurs on the Okanagan River near Oliver in mid-October. Eggs and milt are delivered to the Shuswap River Hatchery for fertilization and incubation.
http://www.syilx.org/operations/fisheries-and-aquatics/okanagan-sockeye-reintroduction-program/stock-augmentation-broodstock/
Cheers,
Nog
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Sorry son, when I Google Kintama, thats Google, not Bing, get that? Google, not Bing, the first four links that come up take me to the Kintama.com site that Steve suggested. The fifth delivers me to your site. It appears that Google has remembered your preferences if it delivers you to the urban dictionary site. And of course, regardless of position in the list, there is still that fiddly little question of relevance. As you say, I am sure you're man enough to apologize to me.
And you still manage to remain irrelevant and true to form; not a word about topic or the work Kintama does (you still haven't read it have you?) but you do include a snide personal comment and some other diversionary nonsense. About the only thing you've managed to prove so far is that I was right in my original comments.
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(not) all I hear is a kettle calling the pot black.... I do admit that it takes big kintamas to try and sell your nonsense here. All I see is subterfuge and belittling anyone or anything that doesn't suit a feedlot agenda. Carry on little buddy! ;) (BTW read your own posts Son)
William Novabonker CCT, UFT, WDR, JWDR
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Just returning fire Sir ;D
I'll give at least as good as I get. Want a discussion of the facts? Then start with and stick to a discussion of the facts.
Perhaps the difference between the pot and the kettle is that I and others who disagree with Morton's version of the facts explain the basis of our disagreements and provide facts to back them up. Our presentations don't consist solely of declarations of undying support for Ms. Morton, accusations that everyone who disagrees with her is a shill for the industry and arguments based on what you feel instead of what is factual and logical. And note that much of what I have said in response to you is simply turning your own statements back at you.
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What facts would you like little buddy? How about the salmonid crashes in Norway and Scotland?Peer reviewed studies? How about the chemicals,hormones,antibiotics and other crap used to produce faux fish? Dyes that turn grey mush into pink mush? Seabed devastation, lied about escape numbers, large donations to supportive political parties that forgive fines for blatant violations and warn of inspections? First hand experience? How much do you need little buddy? I, along with those that separate the bullspit from the buckwheat see through the "support team" like a screen door. Epic fail. Try again.
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What facts would you like little buddy? How about the salmonid crashes in Norway and Scotland?Peer reviewed studies? How about the chemicals,hormones,antibiotics and other crap used to produce faux fish? Dyes that turn grey mush into pink mush? Seabed devastation, lied about escape numbers, large donations to supportive political parties that forgive fines for blatant violations and warn of inspections? First hand experience? How much do you need little buddy? I, along with those that separate the bullspit from the buckwheat see through the "support team" like a screen door. Epic fail. Try again.
A disappointing and weak response Bonker. Defend your statements and tell us about the crashes, chemicals, hormones etc.
Or not.
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http://www.bellona.org/aquaculture/artikler/Antibiotics
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_url?hl=en&q=http://www.vliz.be/imisdocs/publications/103588.pdf&sa=X&scisig=AAGBfm1cPm9CCD8JxmCkDbOXaV_8Go2Ong&oi=scholarr
http://www.focs.ca/fishfarming/index.asp#chemicals
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/marine/Fish-Shellfish/18716/environmentalimpact
Makes me want to fire up the barby and slide some of that right through the old tube as residual chemicals don't mean squat. It'll be nice to glow in the dark after dinner. Or maybe I should have a nice tin of dog food as it's probably better for me and much higher in nutrition.
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Appreciate the links, thanks.
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Use google Dave all the things Novabonker mentions have been in the news for years and years.
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Use google Dave all the things Novabonker mentions have been in the news for years and years.
;)
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Use google Dave all the things Novabonker mentions have been in the news for years and years.
Just smile and wave Dave...smile and wave.
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What facts would you like little buddy? How about the salmonid crashes in Norway and Scotland?Peer reviewed studies? How about the chemicals,hormones,antibiotics and other crap used to produce faux fish? Dyes that turn grey mush into pink mush? Seabed devastation, lied about escape numbers, large donations to supportive political parties that forgive fines for blatant violations and warn of inspections? First hand experience? How much do you need little buddy? I, along with those that separate the bullspit from the buckwheat see through the "support team" like a screen door. Epic fail. Try again.
Problem seems to be that you keep the bullspit and pitch the buckwheat.
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Problem seems to be that you keep the bullspit and pitch the buckwheat.
Good one. How long did you spend thinking that gem up?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/450000-salmon-to-be-destroyed-after-outbreak-of-anemia-in-newfoundland-and-labrador/article4398076/?cmpid=rss1
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A lot less time than you spent on Google doing your "research".
Enjoy that tin of dog food!
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A lot less time than you spent on Google doing your "research".
Enjoy that tin of dog food!
Eye'm soree ewe end eye doughn't sea aye two eye un thus subbgekt. Mite bea mye lak uf edgewkashun ur meye lak of reeserch scills. Due ewe wantt sum kibbles enstead uf thet chemikal fush? bedder fer ewe. Et's jest themm thar hi falutin' $5 werds thet tribs mee upp. Eye didd reeserch yer postses end fer sumone whoo clames hiss entelecktual ebilitees, ya sur putt alotta balowknee end propeegander en dem thar tings.
Carry on.
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Oh my! Fluent in two languages..........I'm impressed :D
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What happens when he forgets spellcheck.... ;D
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Oh my! Fluent in two languages..........I'm impressed :D
Yes I am, I also speak Newfinese as well.
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Newfinese counts as two. It completely changes when they're drinking.
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch........
So, none of you want to post rebuttals to the sources I posted. Surely, bright folks like yourself can prove that stuff wrong....... Or can you? ??? ??? ???
Getting back to the name Kintama, which absentone claimed I was nit picking about, is there another definition? I can't find it. Maybe ol' Dave was pulling a swifty when he pulled that out of the sack, sitting back chuckling. Maybe I should rename my company "Balls Of Gold"??????
Newfinese counts as two. It completely changes when they're drinking.
See - ya do have a sense of humour! Get yer ha ha on! ( I'll be filing a discrimination case at the Supreme Court of Canada this morning, right after I lodge a complaint at the Human Rights Tribunal)
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I see you still haven't read up on Kintama's work.
Why is it every time one of you jokers decides to take up the cause you spend three minutes on Google, read the titles and then announce you now can prove everyone else wrong. Even worse, just like everyone else who takes your path you then expect someone to come along yet again and hold your hand to walk you through the reasons why the subject involves much more than what a few generalized partisan tracts from ten years ago would suggest. It's comparable to deciding after your Grade 4 social studies class that you have all the answers and know everyone else is wrong. Personally, I believe it's just because you like holding hands.
Tell you what though: there is a huge volume of information available even in the posts on the subject here. Work your way through that to get to the point where reading about the work Kintama does means something to you and then come back with your questions. I'm sure you'll find people will be willing to answer them then because at that point, they may actually mean something.
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Geez Nova I just went and read through those links you provided, buddy get with the program, all has been adressed in other posts you have to look for it.
Or are you just being an internet troll....... ;D
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I like the flies in your signature bassonater, they will work really well to catch bass fishermen. ;D I will have to tie up a few to use at the Pitt sloughs or at meetings of the WCBA. ;D
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I see you still haven't read up on Kintama's work.
Why is it every time one of you jokers decides to take up the cause you spend three minutes on Google, read the titles and then announce you now can prove everyone else wrong. Even worse, just like everyone else who takes your path you then expect someone to come along yet again and hold your hand to walk you through the reasons why the subject involves much more than what a few generalized partisan tracts from ten years ago would suggest. It's comparable to deciding after your Grade 4 social studies class that you have all the answers and know everyone else is wrong. Personally, I believe it's just because you like holding hands.
Tell you what though: there is a huge volume of information available even in the posts on the subject here. Work your way through that to get to the point where reading about the work Kintama does means something to you and then come back with your questions. I'm sure you'll find people will be willing to answer them then because at that point, they may actually mean something.
Can you Readers Digest that post for me?
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Can you Readers Digest that post for me?
Over and out Bonker, at least for me.
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I like the flies in your signature bassonater, they will work really well to catch bass fishermen. ;D I will have to tie up a few to use at the Pitt sloughs or at meetings of the WCBA. ;D
Ha ha thats sorta funny.... ;D
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Can you Readers Digest that post for me?
Sure. Easy.
Just because Morton says it's true doesn't mean that it's true.
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Just because Morton says it's true doesn't mean that it's true.
May I make a suggestion?
Rather than continually complaining about what Morton says....... why don't you sign the petition to have the Canadian Government gag her?
Then you can stop posting, sit back and wait for the government to shut her down...... ;D ;D ;D