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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: chris gadsden on November 14, 2012, 12:15:09 PM
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http://www.vancouversun.com/news/metro/urged+renew+leases+open+salmon+farms/7547659/story.html
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I always wondered why those who need farmed salmon don't raise it themselves.
In BC we don't really need farmed salmon. Most of farmed raised stuff is exported anyway.
So those who need it should raise it.
It's baffling
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I always wondered why those who need farmed salmon don't raise it themselves.
In BC we don't really need farmed salmon. Most of farmed raised stuff is exported anyway.
So those who need it should raise it.
It's baffling
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Say what? Do you mean like having chickens in the back yard?? Hey, there might be a market here, perhaps Canadian Tire will start selling back yard salmon rearing pens ...
Glad your'e back Chris, I missed posts like this.
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I have a headache. Does anyone have a recipe for ibuprofen so i can make some at home now. I need it.
Also I am wondering if anyone has an extra turkey i could have for xmas dinner since mine died yesterday. The neighbors cat got it. Dang!!
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Say what? Do you mean like having chickens in the back yard?? Hey, there might be a market here, perhaps Canadian Tire will start selling back yard salmon rearing pens ...
Glad your'e back Chris, I missed posts like this.
No Dave.
I mean that British Columbian's have more than enough wild salmon to sustain them and supply the demand.
Majority of the wild salmon farming is done by foreign companies for export to foreign countries.
Sure we do have some in stores but we don't really need it.
It's more like me coming to your house to take a piss because I don't want to clean up mine.
Some probably wouldn't mind that because it creates jobs.
I think New Foundland would probably need those jobs more.
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I always wondered why those who need farmed salmon don't raise it themselves.
In BC we don't really need farmed salmon. Most of farmed raised stuff is exported anyway.
So those who need it should raise it.
It's baffling
I can honestly say that over the years on these threads this is one of the most ridiculous posts I have seen.
Having said that I am considering growing my own cycle of talapia in my yard this summer just to take a poke at the suggestion above.
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Actually the post makes sence ...growing fish we don't need is unnecessary
Good luck on the talapia
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Good luck on the salmon growing in your place!
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No Dave.
I mean that British Columbian's have more than enough wild salmon to sustain them and supply the demand.
Sure we do ::) Which wild stocks do you suggest we harvest to meet this demand? Lets say a consumer wants a fresh salmon for a family gathering tomorrow or next week or next month or even 5 months from now. Which wild stock should be harvested so this consumer can have his salmon dinner ? Where will he purchase this salmon?
Short of denying consumers fresh fish, salmon farming is the only viable method of suppling this demand. Get your head around it.
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I can honestly say that over the years on these threads this is one of the most ridiculous posts I have seen.
Having said that I am considering growing my own cycle of talapia in my yard this summer just to take a poke at the suggestion above.
Actually you just posted the most ridiculous comeback, to a very concise statement about why we need raise those dirty fish here. It's not like they haven't caused more problems than raising some chickens. Well if you end up with some bird flu maybe not. Maybe your onto something with the talapia in the back yard. You got my OK. Change is good. :)
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Sure we do ::) Which wild stocks do you suggest we harvest to meet this demand? Lets say a consumer wants a fresh salmon for a family gathering tomorrow or next week or next month or even 5 months from now. Which wild stock should be harvested so this consumer can have his salmon dinner ? Where will he purchase this salmon?
Short of denying consumers fresh fish, salmon farming is the only viable method of suppling this demand. Get your head around it.
Dave, I am not against salmon farming.
This is a ridiculous argument.
Most people eat previously frozen fish. Those who want the fresh fish, go and catch it.
In order to supply the demand, you have commercial fisheries which catch fish in nets.
Then they freeze it. Then they ship it to Safeway. Then you go to Safeway and buy the fish frozen.
We have among the largest salmon rivers in the world. Fraser, Skeena and Nass alone can surely supply this demand.
I am just saying that those who need the salmon and don't have it, should take on the fish farming. We don't need it in BC we have all the salmon we can eat.
Japan is one of the largest consumers of fish, lots go to the US too. Why don't they take these companies and invite them to put nets in waters around Japan and raise atlantic salmon. They already do have farmed tuna on large scale.
The only reason we have these salmon farms is because somebody, somewhere sold the idea and paid someone in government to sell the idea to us as an economic benefit.
The few thousand jobs gained in the fish farming industry were taken from the fishing industry.
It's not like I don't appreciate farming. It's just if you have millions of wild chickens running in the forest, why do you need to farm it if it ruins the soil around the farm.
Let those who need it, do it.
aquapaloosa, I'm not talking about individual economics here.
If you have a headache kick yourself in the keister, you will forget about the headache fast ;D :D
To summerize,
nobody wants to crap in their own back yard because it stinks.
It's easier to do it in someone else's.
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So, was there a fish farm tenure protest staged today at CC`s office? Kinda thought I would see Chris and af in the crowd on the 6 o'clock Global news ...but no such luck. Was this latest media event staged by Ms. Morton, ughhhm, well, you know ... ignored by the media???
Surely someone covered it?
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We have among the largest salmon rivers in the world. Fraser, Skeena and Nass alone can surely supply this demand.
No. To meet todays demand for salmon would mean fishing those stocks to extinction.
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Farmed salmon has grown to dominate British Columbia’s provincial salmon harvest. From 2005 to 2009, the landed value of farmed salmon in British Columbia ranged from about $320 million to $410 million annually. In comparison, over the same period, the landed value of all wild salmon (including sockeye) ranged from about $20 million to $60 million annually. In 2010, however, the landed value of sockeye alone was $91.3 million. Reports on the number of jobs associated with the BC finfish aquaculture industry vary, depending on whether the jobs counted are direct or indirect, part-time or full-time, or year-round or seasonal. A 2009 PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP report prepared for the province found that salmon farming in British Columbia provides an estimated 6,000 direct and indirect jobs. In 2010, DFO released a study entitled Socio-Economic Impact of Aquaculture in Canada, which reported similar numbers. It indicated that, in 2007, the aquaculture industry generated about 6,000 full-time-equivalent (FTE) jobs in British Columbia, which included 2,220 FTEs in direct activities, 2,330 FTEs in indirect jobs, and 1,410 FTEs in induced activities, totaling $223.3 million in labour income. – quote from Justice Bruce Cohen’s Final Report: The Uncertain Future of Fraser River Sockeye, Volume 1, Chapter 8, Salmon Farm Management, page 378.
Most of what is produced here is exported to markets like the US. It is also true that countries like the US and Japan are involved in aquaculture (more than just finfish) which grows every year. In fact, the US wants to get even more involved in aquaculture (well…salmon ranching actually is already, but we just like turn our backs and plug our ears and think they are wild fish). However, just because the people of this province might not need it in the quantities being produced or someone else wants it more does not necessarily mean that there is not a reason to raise it here and export it or that there are not people here that depend on the economic benefits of those exports. Aquaculture is BC’s largest agricultural export and likely the most regulated. This province, this country exports many things and those exports support employment here whether you agree with a certain industry or not. Many communities on Vancouver Island once depended on the forest industry for economic benefit; however, those dollars have quickly dried up and many have turned to other industries like aquaculture.
I mean that British Columbian's have more than enough wild salmon to sustain them and supply the demand.
Really? Other than a few CUs (Conservation Units), the majority of Fraser River Sockeye are in the red zone. Some we know very little about (i.e. Taseko) due to limitations in enumeration methods. Ask a commercial fisherman here how busy he/she has been in the last 10 years. 2010 was an exceptional year for them in regards to Sockeye, but other than that it has been pretty lean. I am not exactly sure if things are that much better in Alaska in regards to actual wild fish harvest. In Alaska in 2010, of the 158 million salmon that were commercially harvested, 77 million were identified as ocean ranched if you look at Alaska Department of Fish and Game website. Luckily, Fraser Sockeye has a very rich data set when compared to other Pacific Salmon species. Unfortunately, species such as Chinook and Coho are in much worse shape having even more data gaps. So much so that Cohen even recommended that funding be allocated for other salmon species that share the Fraser with Sockeye.
If you look at research from Dr. Peterman and Dr. Dorner (mentioned in the Cohen Final Report) you will see that most Fraser River, non-Fraser River Sockeye stocks in Canada and the US have shown a decrease in productivity – starting in the late 80s. Additionally, if you read Cohen’s findings you will notice that we need to do a better job at assessing Fraser River Sockeye outmigrants. There are obvious gaps in our knowledge on mortality rates during downstream migration. Other than Chilko and Cultus we do not know much about the health status of many Fraser Sockeye in their nursery lakes. The department used to do many more lake stock assessments, but that has fallen off the table over the years. Cohen recognized this and made a recommendation calling for a doubling of these assessments including annual monitoring programs to estimate fall fry populations. Given this and the status of many Fraser Sockeye CUs, I am not sure how you can say that we have more than enough wild salmon to sustain us and supply demand. I argue that our mixed-stock fishery mentality does not compliment sustainable commercial fisheries very well – not just here but also other places in the world. If someone wants to go fishing and catch their own fish and not eat farmed fish or grow them in their own yard then that’s fine also.
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shuswapsteve,
Yes indeed.
Our population is only 4.5 million people in BC and there is enough wild salmon to keep us happy for a long time.
The problem is well, we can't support our Facebook friends, and friends of our friends. And friends of their friends.
Yes, sure, the farmed salmon is the majority of consumed salmon today. But if we were more careful 100 years ago we wouldn't have raped this resource and we would have an abundance of fish in every river.
Granted, global warming does have an effect on overall ocean productivity and survival.
The lumber industry didn't dry up.
It was moved when collapse became inevitable. It was butchered because someone saw and thought that we could supply the whole world with lumber.
So we raped and pillaged our resources and didn't give a rat's a.s about the future.
The lumber industry didn't collapse because suddenly the trees couldn't grow anymore. Or we ran out of soil.
It collapsed because we over-harversted and then some companies moved to where the labour is cheaper.
Same jazz happened with the cod fishery in New Foundland. I mean, have we not learned anything from this?!
I guess not.
I am not saying we can supply the World demand for salmon but
if Americans and Japanese need the fish, let them raise it.
Japan is 12 times the size of Vancouver Island and 170 times the population. They have a huge demand.
Like I said.
Read my summary bit...
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--Not there yet but I'm starting to buy into the idea that Salmon Ranching as the phrase has been coined, has many of the same problems as open pens (in the wrong place). We just don't easily see the problems so to many they don't exist.
--I want to see a diverse and sustainable fish industry in BC... so we should be consentrating our efforts into how to do so rather than just closing our eyes and saying no, no, no.
--flooding our rivers with hatchery stock to free graze with no control in the open ocean could... spread disease....these masses of hatchery stock could wipe out natural runs at time of spawn.... could be over competing for open ocean food supply... depleting our Herring stocks etc.
--why do we need such large scale projects... why would we use the Frazer for rearing. why not use some smaller coastal water sources for hatchery raised (fish ranching) including specialty stock abundance for sport harvest industry... some already exists with smaller hatchery supplement.
--why don't we pick... with industry help "the best open net pen farm" and study the hell out of that one to see if it is in deed viable. then make an informed none gold rush decision as to how many and where they could be
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aquapaloosa, I'm not talking about individual economics here.
Sorry for my late reply, I misunderstood your statement about the "grow your own salmon over there".
Myself as a salmon farmer still see it as a bit ridiculous. The logistics involved, well I do not think we are there yet. Closed containment is a long ways away ever for us here where we have far more access to water. I see what you are getting at though and your idea has some merit though salmon in not a good choice of species. There are many trout farms all across the interior of north America though doing just as you suggest.
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adriaticum,
True, the days of supplying folks here or abroad with commercially caught BC wild salmon is not what it used to be, but there is more to it than that. One thing you need to remember is the allocation of the resource and the pecking order for the various stakeholders. For instance, recreational fisheries for salmon (i.e. Sockeye) will open once DFO establishes that conservation and FSC needs are met. Conservation objectives (and additional objectives in the future) can curtail commercial and recreational fisheries. These conservation concerns could be endangered stocks like Cultus Sockeye and Interior Fraser Coho. Many Upper Fraser Chinook stocks could soon follow. Currently, in the non-tidal Fraser River from Mission to Hope, if a harvestable surplus of Fraser Sockeye is not being detected and if there is concern that First Nation FSC needs or conservation concerns won’t be met there won’t be any recreational Sockeye fishery in that area. Additionally, if escapement plans in the Integrated Fisheries Management Plan are not being met you and other recreational anglers will likely have your salmon fishing closed altogether. That’s reality. It does not matter if there are only 4.5 million people in this province and we have decided as a collective to not export a single wild salmon across our borders and keep them all to ourselves. Not all 4.5 million people in this province have the same access to wild salmon. Many people do not like it, but that’s how it is.
For Fraser River Sockeye, management adjustments can be made inseason which can affect whether stakeholders have access to Sockeye or not. Inputs such as Fraser River water temperature and water flow (along with biological data) can influence management adjustments. These adjustments are made to ensure more Fraser Sockeye make it to the spawning grounds. They account for enroute loss due to unfavourable environmental conditions during upriver migration so it will allow for more Fraser Sockeye to pass by Mission. Allowing for more escapement means less for all stakeholders. As was indicated in Cohen’s report and reinforced by Technical Report #9 (Climate Change), the Fraser River has experienced 2 degree Celsius warming in the summer as compared to 60 years ago. Late Run Sockeye that enter the Fraser early may experience water temperatures 5 degrees Celsius warmer than they normally would. Temperature and water flow are big factors in the equation and will play a more prominent role in the years ahead. Female Fraser Sockeye experience increased mortality when compared to males during poor environmental conditions (specifically higher than optimal water temperatures). This will undoubtedly impact First Nations, commercial fisherman and recreational anglers (people like you).
In addition to what I already mentioned in my previous post there are clearly significant challenges ahead (hence the title of Cohen's report). I don’t think everything is just going to fall apart right away and nobody is going to be able to catch a salmon, but it is not as sustainable as you may think for our own province. Definitely your access to them is not guaranteed and will likely be impacted greatly in the future.
As for the decline in the lumber industry in BC there is more to it than over-harvesting. The downturn in the US housing market, the price of lumber, our long dispute with the US over softwood lumber exports and the mountain pine beetle are also factors. Vancouver Island communities that used to depend on the forest industry are now turning to other industries, like aquaculture, for employment and economic spin-off whether people agree with it. If an industry has any impact do we just say let someone else should do it because they need it more than us? If that is the case then there is a long list of industries that fit that bill, not just aquaculture. Unfortunately, if we used your logic in regards to exporting we would have very little employment here and we would all be poorer for it. Should we do that for the beef industry or other industries? How do you think agricultural land is developed and what do think the impacts may be (i.e. water use; trampling of riparian areas; run-off of pesticides and fertilizers; ditching; diking; water channelization)? If we can farm salmon in a sustainable and environmentally responsible way here in BC I do not see why we need to export those jobs and economic benefits somewhere else.
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thanks shuswapsteve, good information.
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I think poor logging practices as well as over fishing helped kill off both industries. I know guys who worked on Seine boats that said they could wipe out a whole river system by dropping the nets on the front of the river going into the ocean. They would go back and do it the next year and the year after til it was toast. DFO has done little to stop the overfishing on the east coast due to political pressure. Same thing goes here with the fish farm lobbyists. This isn't rocket science you know. Just follow the money and you get to the root of the problem. Also I really doubt that the west coast is a good habitat for Atlantic salmon as they seem to all die off from disease here historically anyway.
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SS........ I fixed your last statement so it would make more sense...... ???
If Since we cannot farm salmon in a sustainable and environmentally responsible way here in BC, I do not see why we need to export those jobs and economic benefits somewhere else.
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Hatcheries used to play a much larger role in producing commercially available fish but today they produce a fraction of what they used to the Govenment has shifted those those fish and jobs to the aquaculture industry.
And yes the hatchery model was not perfect either but we did not have the issues we face today with wildly fluctuating returns and disease.
Hatcheries today only provide limited fishing opportunities for sportsmen.
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SS........ I fixed your last statement so it would make more sense...... ???
If Since we cannot farm salmon in a sustainable and environmentally responsible way here in BC, I do not see why we need to export those jobs and economic benefits somewhere else.
I didn't expect anything less from you, AF. Thanks.
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Hatcheries used to play a much larger role in producing commercially available fish but today they produce a fraction of what they used to the Govenment has shifted those those fish and jobs to the aquaculture industry.
And yes the hatchery model was not perfect either but we did not have the issues we face today with wildly fluctuating returns and disease.
Hatcheries today only provide limited fishing opportunities for sportsmen.
Hatcheries play more than an enhancement role for sportsmen. Coded wire tags are applied to hatchery fish which help determine survival and explotation rates. Important if you are managing an indicator stock. It is often difficult to get enough wild juveniles to apply CWTs. Nibbles can add much more.
In regards to salmon ranching in Alaska, it's contribution is almost half of the commercial catch there.
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Hatcheries used to play a much larger role in producing commercially available fish but today they produce a fraction of what they used to the Govenment has shifted those those fish and jobs to the aquaculture industry.
And yes the hatchery model was not perfect either but we did not have the issues we face today with wildly fluctuating returns and disease.
Hatcheries today only provide limited fishing opportunities for sportsmen.
Huh? The skeena sockeye fishery, the WCVI Chinook fishery, much of the Johnstone Strait chum fishery, and many many terminal fisheries. Limited opportunities?
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SS........ I fixed your last statement so it would make more sense...... ???
If Since we cannot farm salmon in a sustainable and environmentally responsible way here in BC, I do not see why we need to export those jobs and economic benefits somewhere else.
Go have a read of your buddy troutbreath's latest post.
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At CC's office last week.
http://youtu.be/ANo3yML3Ouc
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If we can farm salmon in a sustainable and environmentally responsible way here in BC I do not see why we need to export those jobs and economic benefits somewhere else.
We can't do it in an evironmentally responsible way.. That is the whole point being made.
The argument from the feedlots is that land based farms while environmentally responsible are not economically profitable.
We care more about our resources and heritage than multinationals making a dollar, this is the point you just don't get.
And as for saying look at other industries footprints (Ie. agriculture, cattle industry as Ss pointed out) did your mommy ever teach you two wrongs don't make a right?!!!!
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.............. did your mommy ever teach you two wrongs don't make a right?!!!!
;D ;D ;D
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We can't do it in an evironmentally responsible way.. That is the whole point being made.
The argument from the feedlots is that land based farms while environmentally responsible are not economically profitable.
We care more about our resources and heritage than multinationals making a dollar, this is the point you just don't get.
And as for saying look at other industries footprints (Ie. agriculture, cattle industry as Ss pointed out) did your mommy ever teach you two wrongs don't make a right?!!!!
We can’t do it in an environmentally responsible way? That wasn’t the conclusion or the impression I got from reading Cohen’s Final Report. If it was I am sure that Cohen would have recommended that the industry cease all open-net pen aquaculture in BC immediately. Again, Cohen didn’t say that fish farming in BC was bad and must be removed immediately; however, by looking at the testimony objectively (and considering documents like the Wild Salmon Policy and his interpretation of the precautionary principle) he felt that more work was required to satisfy concerns – particularly with the impact of diseases on the survival of wild salmon (including monitoring). What he recommends in regards to aquaculture in BC are reasonable. They also serve a larger role by expanding our knowledge of fish diseases in wild populations. Personally, I do not disagree with any of Cohen’s recommendations as they pertain to aquaculture and you will also find that the BC fish farm industry does not disagree either. Many of the governmental and non-governmental scientists that provided testimony actually agree on some of the things that need to be done. On the other hand, it seems as though fish farm critics have marginalized themselves once again by busily misinterpreting the report’s findings and recommendations to make it sound like a condemnation of fish farming in BC (I noticed Ray Grigg could not resist either). They are also using the same old rhetoric which is specifically addressed in the report by Cohen, such as evidence that diseases on fish farms are out of control or unusually high, ISA (and ISAV) and marine anaemia. From my observations, many fish farm critics have no idea about fish pathogens like IHNV or ISAV, but start making these grand conclusions about them and their impacts.
The insinuation that BC fish farmers care more for the almighty dollar than wild salmon is getting really old and silly. They already utilize close-containment for the early stages of rearing so they are probably more familiar with the pros and cons of the technology than most fish farm critics. It is good that people care about their resource, but they should also care about getting the right information in order to make informed decisions. Cohen’s recommendations help to address that. We should all try to support the implementation of these recommendations (not just the ones that pertain to aquaculture) and encourage those responsible to work quickly to address them instead of fighting old battles where what is myth and what is not as well as what needs to be done has been addressed in Cohen’s Final Report.
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Your point SS is that we are just burying those diseased Atlantic Salmon here because they need a proper grave rather than been eaten. Very humble of you. I see they did a lot of that in Chile the other year. All very touching really. No problems with cigarettes too, just don't inhale.
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People (ff critics) do not understand isav ihnv.
You are right we are not all biologists. However, it doesn't take a biologist to understand these foreign diseases are not native to this ecosystem and should not Be transferred to our wild stocks.
There are types of hepatitis that doesn't technically kill you. Its ok to have disease as long as it wont be actual cause of death right??
Will Shuswapsteve prick his finger?? I rest my case.
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Pro feedlot folks like SS use their "expertise" to talk down to ordinary folks that use common sense..... The term "where there is smoke there is fire" is not fact as science will suggest, however it is common sense.
"Experts" like SS would like you to accept that until science proves there is no fire, you shouldn't worry about the smoke. If you talk about the smoke....... they ridicule your lack of scientific knowledge.
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People (ff critics) do not understand isav ihnv.
You are right we are not all biologists. However, it doesn't take a biologist to understand these foreign diseases are not native to this ecosystem and should not Be transferred to our wild stocks.
There are types of hepatitis that doesn't technically kill you. Its ok to have disease as long as it wont be actual cause of death right??
Will Shuswapsteve prick his finger?? I rest my case.
I misinterpreted a recent post by adriaticum and don't want to do the same with yours so help me out here ... just what is your case? Are you suggesting IHN is not native to the Pacific coast? Or are you just agreeing you are not a biologist like SS?
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I misinterpreted a recent post by adriaticum and don't want to do the same with yours so help me out here ... just what is your case? Are you suggesting IHN is not native to the Pacific coast? Or are you just agreeing you are not a biologist like SS?
People (ff critics) do not understand isav ihnv.
You are right we are not all biologists.
What point are you trying to make? That I am not a biologist?
Ok agreed. But that does not mean FF are safe in our waters
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Your point SS is that we are just burying those diseased Atlantic Salmon here because they need a proper grave rather than been eaten. Very humble of you. I see they did a lot of that in Chile the other year. All very touching really. No problems with cigarettes too, just don't inhale.
Actually, that isn’t my point all. I am not really sure what you are ranting about, but I suspect you put a lot of thought into this post so thanks for relaying the information.
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Pro feedlot folks like SS use their "expertise" to talk down to ordinary folks that use common sense..... The term "where there is smoke there is fire" is not fact as science will suggest, however it is common sense.
"Experts" like SS would like you to accept that until science proves there is no fire, you shouldn't worry about the smoke. If you talk about the smoke....... they ridicule your lack of scientific knowledge.
Nice deflection, but I never attempted to ridicule anyone about their lack of scientific knowledge nor did I refer to myself as an “expert” in this thread. I definitely did not say that there is nothing to worry about. However, I am not surprised by your latest tactics by making this more personal than it has to be. Much of what I posted in this thread is readily available in Cohen’s Final Report. For instance, the information I relayed earlier in this thread is in Volume 1. You are naturally frustrated because now that Cohen’s Final Report is out in the public domain you are having a much harder time finding new material to twist.
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People (ff critics) do not understand isav ihnv.
You are right we are not all biologists. However, it doesn't take a biologist to understand these foreign diseases are not native to this ecosystem and should not Be transferred to our wild stocks.
There are types of hepatitis that doesn't technically kill you. Its ok to have disease as long as it wont be actual cause of death right??
Will Shuswapsteve prick his finger?? I rest my case.
First, let’s be clear….I never insinuated that because you may not be a biologist that you cannot possibly understand any of this (i.e. ISAV or IHNV). You are correct that it does not necessarily take a biologist to understand these concepts; however, it does require some effort on your part to get the right information, to be able to understand it and to be able to ask the right questions from those involved with fish diseases if needed. For instance, IHN is not a foreign disease. Wild salmon here are already carriers of IHNV. Information on this disease is readily available on the internet (i.e. US or Canadian Governments, OIE, universities, fish farm industry and fish hatcheries) and was particularly noted in the testimony at the Cohen Inquiry along with ISA (and ISAV). I am not going to rehash the IHN thread all over again, but if you search for it on this site you can visit any of the links I provided or feel free to find your own if you disagree with mine.
With your hepatitis example you actually made a good observation that many farm fish critics do not seem to accept – just because you get a virus does not necessarily mean that you will develop a deadly disease. Developing the disease can involve other factors which are likely more important than the virus itself (i.e. environmental conditions, physiological stress). I did not say that it is okay to have disease, but it is important to know the difference between viruses and diseases.
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From Judge Cohen's report
"I accept the evidence that the state of scientific research about sockeye - fish farm interactions is not sufficiently developed to rule out diseases on salmon farms as contributing to the decline of Fraser River sockeye and posing future risks." volume 3, page 20
"In my view, the risk of serious harm that salmon farms pose to Fraser River sockeye along their entire migration route - not just 1 km from the mouth of the river - needs to be considered and reflected in siting criteria." volume 3, page 22.
"In summary, I have concluded that net-pen salmon farming in the Discovery Islands poses a risk of serious harm to Fraser River sockeye through the transfer of diseases and pathogens." volume 3, page 25.
http://www.campbellrivermirror.com/opinion/letters/179572741.html
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"In my view, the risk of serious harm that salmon farms pose to Fraser River sockeye along their entire migration route - not just 1 km from the mouth of the river - needs to be considered and reflected in siting criteria." volume 3, page 22.
"In summary, I have concluded that net-pen salmon farming in the Discovery Islands poses a risk of serious harm to Fraser River sockeye through the transfer of diseases and pathogens." volume 3, page 25.
http://www.campbellrivermirror.com/opinion/letters/179572741.html
I am also curious what bright mind decided to put open net pen farms in the ocean right in the path of migrating salmon.
Ocean covers 75% of earth surface and they chose right smack in the middle of the road.
Brilliant.
That's the guy whose head I'd like on my wall...