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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: penn on August 04, 2013, 11:55:43 AM
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Some friends and I took a trip out to the pipeline bar , to find large NO TRESPASSING signs posted at the trail entry at the lower end . We did happen to speak to those who posted those signs , a young First Nations couple , who do own the land the trail passes through . It is in fact their private property , as it turns out . They live a short distance from the trail and have tired of picking up all the garbage left (also people cr***ing along side the trail ) and decided to close it off for public use . There have been issues with people knocking down the barriers they have put up and they are on the trail stopping people from crossing . They are getting the police involved and the situation will escalate if their wishes are not respected . So be advised of the situation and please keep off their property , it is all private property in the area and they are with in their rights to keep people out. They told us if people left no garbage and such behind , they would not be doing this . If you or your friends are considering heading out there be aware ahead of this time . If you are going out to one of the other areas , take your garbage out with you before you maybe offend some of the other bands who may take action after they tire of cleaning up after the public too , in other spots where you take access for granted . Thanks .
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I don't fish there, but another example of a few people ruining access for the rest.
Whether it is people fishing, camping, or just hanging out somewhere, I would assume most people are doing so to enjoy the outdoors. So why make a mess of it?
Pack it in, pack it out. It truly is that simple.
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Pack it in, pack it out. It truly is that simple.
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People who leave their garbage behind are garbage themselves.
I wish they could be disposed of, too. >:(
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a few ruin it for the rest. generally and then the rest end up paying for the few.
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I admit im guilty of littering once in awhile however its not on purpose and only when steelheading does it happen. Its always my Timmies cup !! I set it down when I start to work a run, thinking I have put it in a spot where I can easily see it later on, unfortunately what usually happens is I cant find the damn thing on my walk out, even with myself and whoever im fishing with :o this doesn't happen but a couple times a season but I think about it the rest of the day and how I could have not seen it, of course im also thinking about that half cup of coffee I didn't get to finish. Wish my waist pack had a cup holder LoL
I do not litter anything on purpose and will not let people im with do it either.
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So it was YOUR half full coffee cup of Tim's I have bumped into a couple of times on the mid river. :o
I always wondered who is the dude that would leave his coffee so neatly placed on the beach.
No sweat, I emptied it and packed the cup out for you - maybe that's why you couldn't find it sometimes. ;D
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I admit im guilty of littering once in awhile however its not on purpose and only when steelheading does it happen. Its always my Timmies cup !! I set it down when I start to work a run, thinking I have put it in a spot where I can easily see it later on, unfortunately what usually happens is I cant find the damn thing on my walk out, even with myself and whoever im fishing with :o this doesn't happen but a couple times a season but I think about it the rest of the day and how I could have not seen it, of course im also thinking about that half cup of coffee I didn't get to finish. Wish my waist pack had a cup holder LoL
I do not litter anything on purpose and will not let people im with do it either.
You had me when you admitted to littering! Anyway, we've decided to exonerate you and your sin ... if you attend the next cleanup ;)
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This was posted on another forum:
I live just outside of hope on the #7 hwy and my family and I own 69 acres of land, 8 of that is right on the river. Last year during fishing season we politely asked all the fisherman to just clean up after themselves. Well that never happened. So this year we are kindly asking all you fisherman to stay off of our property and stop cutting your trail through it. We are sick and tired of cleaning up truck loads of garbage out of our land after fishing season is over. Not to mention the destruction of our gates and trees. I would like be able to walk through to the river without worrying about stepping in human feces and glass.
We are concerned for the safety of our dog who has come back numerous times with fish hooks in his feet and rotting food in his mouth.
The few have ruined it for the many. The police have been contacted and will now be doing regular patrols of the area so if you are illegally entering our property or crossing the rail road tracks expect a fine for doing so.
You have now been warned.
Thanks to those who have talked to us and apologized for trespassing.
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Is this a different bar than the one that the OP is talking about? Here is Pipeline Bar.
http://www.sharphooks.com/tripplanner.aspx?subpage=directions&lake=fraser+-+pipeline+bar&lakeid=222
This was posted on another forum:
I live just outside of hope on the #7 hwy and my family and I own 69 acres of land, 8 of that is right on the river. Last year during fishing season we politely asked all the fisherman to just clean up after themselves. Well that never happened. So this year we are kindly asking all you fisherman to stay off of our property and stop cutting your trail through it. We are sick and tired of cleaning up truck loads of garbage out of our land after fishing season is over. Not to mention the destruction of our gates and trees. I would like be able to walk through to the river without worrying about stepping in human feces and glass.
We are concerned for the safety of our dog who has come back numerous times with fish hooks in his feet and rotting food in his mouth.
The few have ruined it for the many. The police have been contacted and will now be doing regular patrols of the area so if you are illegally entering our property or crossing the rail road tracks expect a fine for doing so.
You have now been warned.
Thanks to those who have talked to us and apologized for trespassing.
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Soon all the bars will be closed and they who litter will only be able to litter their own homes. No more fishing on the Fraser, hurray!!!
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No more fishing on the fraser probably would'nt be such a bad thing anyways
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Is this a different bar than the one that the OP is talking about? Here is Pipeline Bar.
http://www.sharphooks.com/tripplanner.aspx?subpage=directions&lake=fraser+-+pipeline+bar&lakeid=222
the bar across the river on the north shore is often called the Bible Camp. Back in 2010 the Pipeline bar had access from the west end when the property was unoccupied. I haven't been there since. Most of the access on the north shore east from Agassiz to Hope has been cutoff due to property and parking issues. It's a shame but no one is to blame other than the greedy slobs who made such a mess of things and then think it's funny (I've been laughed at for gathering a bag or 2 of garbage and hauling it out). We live in a society of yahoos. Most drug dealers have better manners than your average casual angler.
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I too saw the signs.
However one thing I have noticed is that the low water area is not private property or part of the reservation. on the mineral titles map there is a clear strip between the reservation and the actual river of crown land that runs right down the river.
Second the reservation ends on the west side of the truck pullout I make it 100 meters, access to the bar should be fine from there.
Maybe the real reason for closing this off is to prevent the reporting of the illegal drift net fishing that I and others have reported over the years that occurs just below Pipeline bar and is clearly visible from that bar.
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nice one Milo and yes it could very well have been mine however I don't fish mid river much with the spey rod these days. I usually try and place my cup on top of a large rock or something to make it even easier to find. I swear to god sometimes a person has taken my cup before I went back for it which is all fine and good even though I was looking forward to drinking it still. I have also found my share of other's cups still partly full or completely empty and packed them out. the ones that really piss me off are the cups floating down the river past us !! I always think to myself "hope he fell in and that's why im seeing this!"
Dave - I am man enough to admit when I do wrong, it doesn't happen often but it does happen. I wont flame a guy for leaving his stuff behind if I can tell it wasn't intentional. I have found backpacks, waist packs, tackle boxes and even a fishing rod/reel along the river over the years and not a soul in sight. Also hooked a rod setup out of the canal one day that still had a very fresh whitey on the other end LoL never did see a guy/gal come looking for it though (rod was busted in many places)
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Hook, I'm sure you know my tongue was firmly planted in my cheek when I said that :)
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Is this a different bar than the one that the OP is talking about? Here is Pipeline Bar.
http://www.sharphooks.com/tripplanner.aspx?subpage=directions&lake=fraser+-+pipeline+bar&lakeid=222
The bar I was refering to is the one on the north side of the river , just slightly downstream from that spot shown on your map .
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One other point they talk about truck loads of garbage etc. In all the years of going to pipeline and walking that trail, I have never seen any of the following
1. Natives picking up garbage but any amount never mind truck loads
2. Large amounts of garbage (truck loads) along the trail anyway
I have seen myself and fellow fisherman cleaning up the bar packing out a lot of the fishing line etc so that at then end of the season the bar is mostly clean. You are right there are a lot of idiots out there but there are also a lot of good folks.
A couple of years ago I met the guy that owned the land , he stopped me and asked me what I thought of the idea of putting in a campground and road access and wanted to know fi I would pay to stay there, I said that would be good. I asked him about the trail, and he said he had no problems with using it as he said they had access further down the river.
The two young ones are problem related, as this guys was older and wiser. The amount of garbage has not changed.
I suspect there is a lot more to this move other than about the so called garbage. That's just an excuse.
Probably time to get a boat.
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I admit im guilty of littering once in awhile however its not on purpose and only when steelheading does it happen. Its always my Timmies cup !! I set it down when I start to work a run, thinking I have put it in a spot where I can easily see it later on, unfortunately what usually happens is I cant find the damn thing on my walk out, even with myself and whoever im fishing with :o this doesn't happen but a couple times a season but I think about it the rest of the day and how I could have not seen it, of course im also thinking about that half cup of coffee I didn't get to finish. Wish my waist pack had a cup holder LoL
I do not litter anything on purpose and will not let people im with do it either.
So you're the dude that left the Timmies cup on the Vedder, Squamish, Capilano, and Chehalis Rivers. You get around ;)
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Maybe the real reason for closing this off is to prevent the reporting of the illegal drift net fishing that I and others have reported over the years that occurs just below Pipeline bar and is clearly visible from that bar.
doubtful. DFO patrols that part of the river pretty much daily by helicopter and there is a lot of boat traffic so there are other opportunities to observe and report netting. Besides there isn't much netting along those bars.
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I too saw the signs.
However one thing I have noticed is that the low water area is not private property or part of the reservation. on the mineral titles map there is a clear strip between the reservation and the actual river of crown land that runs right down the river.
Second the reservation ends on the west side of the truck pullout I make it 100 meters, access to the bar should be fine from there.
Maybe the real reason for closing this off is to prevent the reporting of the illegal drift net fishing that I and others have reported over the years that occurs just below Pipeline bar and is clearly visible from that bar.
Typical defense from a flosser. ::)
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Typical defense from a flosser. ::)
I bet money that some smarta** would try to turn this garbage debate into a flossing debate before noon today.
I won. Thanks big fish. :P
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HA HA Dave, im not too worried about it and I was playing along. Its all in good fun anyhow isn't it ?
FA - I do not fish the Capilano and barely fish the Chehalis (only a couple times a season for coho)
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I had a quick read of this and don't find the need to banter about the issue . I respect the request of legit property owners and think others should do the same out of respect if for nothing else . As for using the river and its bars be part of the solution not the problem how hard is it to take a garbage bag with you and if you crap in the bush burry it !
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Typical defense from a flosser. ::)
Start your own thread instead of trying to hijack this one .
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I had a quick read of this and don't find the need to banter about the issue . I respect the request of legit property owners and think others should do the same out of respect if for nothing else . As for using the river and its bars be part of the solution not the problem how hard is it to take a garbage bag with you and if you crap in the bush burry it !
I agree .
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Is this bar the same as the one normally called 'Snaggy Bar'? If this is, and they block the lower trail, then it will be a long walk from the upper section near the pipeline and it is impossible to do so at high water. If people cannot fish Snaggy Bar, then they will crowd up Scale Bar and Seabird even more. Perhaps the native owner can charge a user fee, say $5 per head to fish it. He can easily get hundreds of dollar per day if Sockeye opens or during weekend. ;)
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Do you remember the guys name that wanted to put in a campground?
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Does anyone know the owner of the land and his contact information. I would like to meet him and make him a business proposal, which may induce him to open the trail for fishing.
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Is this bar the same as the one normally called 'Snaggy Bar'? If this is, and they block the lower trail, then it will be a long walk from the upper section near the pipeline and it is impossible to do so at high water. If people cannot fish Snaggy Bar, then they will crowd up Scale Bar and Seabird even more. Perhaps the native owner can charge a user fee, say $5 per head to fish it. He can easily get hundreds of dollar per day if Sockeye opens or during weekend. ;)
Yes .
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Kenwee sent you a PM please call,
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No sorry Don't remember the guys name it was a few years back maybe 5 years. We had a long friendly talk. Used to love taking light gear and fishing for pinks at the far south end away from the crowds.
As for the netting, we watched dozens of nettings in sockeye season starting just below, Funny just before the helicopter or patrol boat appears the drift netters disappear and re-emerge after they are gone. They stay when they are allowed to net. Have no problem with the set nets its the drift nets that create the fish shortage.
Start at the very south end and drift all the way down the entire river. Only thing they tend to miss is the pinks as they run so close to shore.
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OK just so you all know Its my daughter and son inlaw ;) They have had to deal with the worst kind of behavior that no one should have to deal with !! Look im sure a lot of you do pack out your garbage but truth be told the % of you that do is crazy low, it's one of the reasons I stopped partaking in the harvest ! So if people keep insisting in cutting down the fence or blazing a new trail the police and CN will be called.
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That's okay maybe it was you I talked with that day. Seemed like a good idea at the time.
As by making a parking lot with access would allow for easier cleanup and installation of a couple of bins charge a camping rates and/or a daily rate to stay. Especially when the guys come down and do the cleanup at the ne dof the season.
But getting to old to walk far anyway time to get a boat a lot easier.
cheers
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I talked to her and tried but it is a no go for access this year !
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Thank you Rantalot, Lots of us will gladly pay for the privilege to access the bar. Sorry so many people have behaved badly to the owners. Because of a few bad apples, the whole barrel is spoilt.
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I know but who knows maybe things will change but as it is we as fisherman cannot continue to abuse our resources and expect things to stay the same.
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Okay its unfortunate.
On the bright side, If one was to walk down from the east end, I guess one will not have to fight the crowds anymore and could also bar fish from the bar. So maybe its good news for the fish and the fisherman that put in the effort.
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I know but who knows maybe things will change but as it is we as fisherman cannot continue to abuse our resources and expect things to stay the same.
How I wish it would but until some severe fines are levied all users will continue to do the same.
As most know the Chilliwack Vedder River Cleanup Society had our 39th cleanup nearly 3 weeks on the Chilliwack Vedder River and our 150 volunteers did a great job taking nearly 1.5 metric tonnes off the riparian zone of the watershed. However many areas are again showing too much garbage being left behind by many users and dumpers. 2 more areas on the Vedder will be gated in the near future by the City of Chilliwack because of complains of residents.
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This is what we did a few years ago to deal with a similar situation on the Fraser River.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=25392.msg239720#msg239720
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I just signed up with this site so here is what we posted on another site.
we are truly tired of the garbage, the excrament on the trail, and on one occasion a fisherman parked in front of our gate blocking access to our driveway. It was very frustrating having to walk down to the river repeatedly asking who's truck it was just so I could get into my driveway. One other issue is the train if people would have the common sense to stand way clear of the tracks till the train passes it wouldn't sound it's horn at 5 am. We posted this to make u aware of our concerns and why we gated and closed the trail.
We on several occasion last year came down to the river voiced our concerns and made it clear if something wasn't done we would close the trail. Some of you. Not all of you ignored or failed to pass this message along.
We would also like to say our property is not the only one affected. There are other members that own land on the trail and they are just as unpleased as we are with the mess.
We appreciate the ones that show compassion and understanding in this matter and we are brainstorming amungst ourselves to find a solution to try keep everybody happy.
This isn't a financially motivated play as we both work very hard and have no need to take a fee to cross.
Here are some ideas that we have come up with:
Dig and build proper outhouses, place garbage barrels for fishing line only i will empty these as we do have access with our truck this means if line is seen please pick it up even if its not yours. food waste and emptys would still have to be packed out as the bears will upset any litter barrel containing food. Please don't suggest conservation dealing with bears as we believe they are welcome to this area before anyone else.
When parking do not park in any driveway or road access I matter how little it looks used.
We are not giving permission to cross its private railway property but When crossing the tracks stand back at the road or in the trail so there is no reason for the train to sound it's horn in the early morn.
We are not giving permission at this time but these are some ideas we have.
As well we ask u do not venture right where the trail turns left as it is a sacred area. If this area is occupied by persons other than Band members it be delt with immediately and closed indefeanetly.
These are ideas and can be built upon. But as well doesn't guarentee this will be opened so untill there is a satisfactory solution this will remain inaccessible.
We have talked to many of you and everyone claims to take home their garbage but obviously it's not enough so maybe if everyone picks up the garbage they see it will solve a majority of the issues.
Hopfully we can come to an agreeable solution and the private property no trespassing signs will read private property please respect it. Thanks
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That is very nice for the owner to come out and interact with the fishermen here. It shows they are concerned about their own privacy and our intrusion on their rights to enjoy their property and yet they try to cater to our need to fish. I salute the owner for this. :)
I for one had fished the lower Pipeline for years and always packed things out when I saw them. I wear a vest which has the pouch to carry the fish so I don't have to carry them in a garbage bag with my hand . This gives me an extra hand to carry a bag for carrying out garbage, mostly lines and drink bottles/cans. We need to show our stewardship of the place we have been given permission by the gracious and long-suffering owners to cross their property and to enjoy our fishing. We should police among ourselves to remind others when we see them leaving without cleaning out their garbage. I think if a sign is posted over the entrance to the trail or in the bar, it will help to remind fishermen of their duty to keep the place clean.
I believe most of the long-time users of the bar are good guys. I know of a Chinese friend who has been camping out near Hope every year to fish the place with his whole family and his kids grew up fishing there. It is like their annual ritual. They always packed things out as a family. I hope there is a solution so that good guys like them are not penalized by the irresponsible ones. Perhaps all of us should collectively check to make sure the bar is cleaned up each time we fish it and remind every one consistently about the need to do this in order to be given permission to fish there. Another way is to have a clean-up project every week particularly during August, the busiest month there (like a river clean up). If these clean up dates are posted there, people will have a target date to work with.
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Hey kid if you read this I think Liketofish just hit the nail on the head ;D Perhaps a workable idea??
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Hows about just allow access to bar fisherman? ;) Much different crowd, plus there are a heck of a lot of guys that simply cannot fish ethically anymore due to all these pigs taking over. We could use a "safe zone"
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I wish rodney would put a "like" button on here :-)
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Hows about just allow access to bar fisherman? ;) Much different crowd, plus there are a heck of a lot of guys that simply cannot fish ethically anymore due to all these pigs taking over. We could use a "safe zone"
Why not just fly fishermen? ;)
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The bar I was refering to is the one on the north side of the river , just slightly downstream from that spot shown on your map .
Thanks. Ah. Got it. North side. Some people know it as Chawathil Bar.
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So are we talking Snaggy Bar being closed or Chawathil Bar? I have never been to Chawathil Bar. Snaggy Bar doesn't seem to have a house and driveway and people park on Hwy7 by the roadside. I am a bit confused.
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I just signed up with this site so here is what we posted on another site.
we are truly tired of the garbage, the excrament on the trail, and on one occasion a fisherman parked in front of our gate blocking access to our driveway. It was very frustrating having to walk down to the river repeatedly asking who's truck it was just so I could get into my driveway. One other issue is the train if people would have the common sense to stand way clear of the tracks till the train passes it wouldn't sound it's horn at 5 am. We posted this to make u aware of our concerns and why we gated and closed the trail.
We on several occasion last year came down to the river voiced our concerns and made it clear if something wasn't done we would close the trail. Some of you. Not all of you ignored or failed to pass this message along.
We would also like to say our property is not the only one affected. There are other members that own land on the trail and they are just as unpleased as we are with the mess.
We appreciate the ones that show compassion and understanding in this matter and we are brainstorming amungst ourselves to find a solution to try keep everybody happy.
This isn't a financially motivated play as we both work very hard and have no need to take a fee to cross.
Here are some ideas that we have come up with:
Dig and build proper outhouses, place garbage barrels for fishing line only i will empty these as we do have access with our truck this means if line is seen please pick it up even if its not yours. food waste and emptys would still have to be packed out as the bears will upset any litter barrel containing food. Please don't suggest conservation dealing with bears as we believe they are welcome to this area before anyone else.
When parking do not park in any driveway or road access I matter how little it looks used.
We are not giving permission to cross its private railway property but When crossing the tracks stand back at the road or in the trail so there is no reason for the train to sound it's horn in the early morn.
We are not giving permission at this time but these are some ideas we have.
As well we ask u do not venture right where the trail turns left as it is a sacred area. If this area is occupied by persons other than Band members it be delt with immediately and closed indefeanetly.
These are ideas and can be built upon. But as well doesn't guarentee this will be opened so untill there is a satisfactory solution this will remain inaccessible.
We have talked to many of you and everyone claims to take home their garbage but obviously it's not enough so maybe if everyone picks up the garbage they see it will solve a majority of the issues.
Hopfully we can come to an agreeable solution and the private property no trespassing signs will read private property please respect it. Thanks
Thanx for this. You need not explain yourself. Keep it closed. There is always going to be A-holes around who will disrespect your property. Seen it many times in the past, property owners tires of the BS, close off access to to popular fishing spots.I personally don't blame you one bit. You can build out houses and put up garbage barrels,but guess what? There will still be those who will not use them. I was on the rotary trail recently and was appalled at the amount of garbage along the river bank at Peach rd. There was a garbage barrel 20 ft away. I spent a few minutes picking up the tims cups,pop cans,fishing line,empty worm containers,etc and threw it in the barrel... >:(
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So are we talking Snaggy Bar being closed or Chawathil Bar? I have never been to Chawathil Bar. Snaggy Bar doesn't seem to have a house and driveway and people park on Hwy7 by the roadside. I am a bit confused.
yes it is snaggy bar. my friends where also talking to the young native guy when he put the gate up.
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So are we talking Snaggy Bar being closed or Chawathil Bar? I have never been to Chawathil Bar. Snaggy Bar doesn't seem to have a house and driveway and people park on Hwy7 by the roadside. I am a bit confused.
I don't know what Snaggy bar is but probably the same thing as there are multiple names people will use for the same locations. Here's Chawathil bar which I know from the books that I've read.
http://www.sharphooks.com/tripplanner.aspx?subpage=lakeinfo&lake=fraser+-+chawathil+bar&lakeid=223
From the descriptions, it sounds like this is the one. There's an undocumented trail leading to this bar which we understand now goes through private property (while I'm sure some were already aware of it but not everyone).
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I just signed up with this site so here is what we posted on another site.
we are truly tired of the garbage, the excrament on the trail, and on one occasion a fisherman parked in front of our gate blocking access to our driveway. It was very frustrating having to walk down to the river repeatedly asking who's truck it was just so I could get into my driveway. One other issue is the train if people would have the common sense to stand way clear of the tracks till the train passes it wouldn't sound it's horn at 5 am. We posted this to make u aware of our concerns and why we gated and closed the trail.
We on several occasion last year came down to the river voiced our concerns and made it clear if something wasn't done we would close the trail. Some of you. Not all of you ignored or failed to pass this message along.
We would also like to say our property is not the only one affected. There are other members that own land on the trail and they are just as unpleased as we are with the mess.
We appreciate the ones that show compassion and understanding in this matter and we are brainstorming amungst ourselves to find a solution to try keep everybody happy.
This isn't a financially motivated play as we both work very hard and have no need to take a fee to cross.
Here are some ideas that we have come up with:
Dig and build proper outhouses, place garbage barrels for fishing line only i will empty these as we do have access with our truck this means if line is seen please pick it up even if its not yours. food waste and emptys would still have to be packed out as the bears will upset any litter barrel containing food. Please don't suggest conservation dealing with bears as we believe they are welcome to this area before anyone else.
When parking do not park in any driveway or road access I matter how little it looks used.
We are not giving permission to cross its private railway property but When crossing the tracks stand back at the road or in the trail so there is no reason for the train to sound it's horn in the early morn.
We are not giving permission at this time but these are some ideas we have.
As well we ask u do not venture right where the trail turns left as it is a sacred area. If this area is occupied by persons other than Band members it be delt with immediately and closed indefeanetly.
These are ideas and can be built upon. But as well doesn't guarentee this will be opened so untill there is a satisfactory solution this will remain inaccessible.
We have talked to many of you and everyone claims to take home their garbage but obviously it's not enough so maybe if everyone picks up the garbage they see it will solve a majority of the issues.
Hopfully we can come to an agreeable solution and the private property no trespassing signs will read private property please respect it. Thanks
Just going to throw an idea out there. :)
I think it would be a great to schedule a cleanup day (maybe a yearly or semi-yearly event) for this area and see how many people would be willing to come out. We could create membership/access cards and the property owner would sign them basically giving said individual(s) authorization to access the site and then they would be handed out to the people who came out to do the clean up (I would be willing to cover the costs to create these cards for everyone that shows up). We could also chip in and buy a few garbage cans for non-food waste.
I would recommend to leave the "Private Property No Trespassing" sign up to stop people who are not "authorized" to access the site. I think this would go a long way to keeping the area pristine.
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The access card to bottom bounce is just crazy and would not work lol best believe if a pile of select meat heads are parked and flossing 100 other vehicles will stop and head in.What next, have an armed guard checking your access cards and keeping the rest out? Give me a break, whats happened to civilization the last 10 years......
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The access card to bottom bounce is just crazy and would not work lol best believe if a pile of select meat heads are parked and flossing 100 other vehicles will stop and head in.What next, have an armed guard checking your access cards and keeping the rest out? Give me a break, whats happened to civilization the last 10 years......
Flossing started......
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If I were the property owners I would just leave it closed to the public. Keep all the garbage in fewer places. I'd like to see the flossers do a clean up of lets say scale bar.
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The access card to bottom bounce is just crazy and would not work lol best believe if a pile of select meat heads are parked and flossing 100 other vehicles will stop and head in.What next, have an armed guard checking your access cards and keeping the rest out? Give me a break, whats happened to civilization the last 10 years......
Who's talking about an access card to bottom bounce? The property owner posted in this thread regarding people leaving garbage behind and blocking the gate and asked for us to brainstorm possible solutions.
I'm not one to let the losers keep ruining something I love doing. ;)
PS, I despise flossers as well.
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Let us all who have fished there organize a day to clean up the place. That is the only decent thing to do. The owner has been most accommodating and kind to our needs and we should clean up the place regardless of whether the trail is going to be opened or not. We should start the ball rolling here.
Perhaps this action will make people who litter think about the wrong they have done and correct themselves.
Let's make the world a better place for all.
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Slobs have always been the reason for land owners closing off access. It's just that First Nations didn't patrol their land at one time, and now they do because they have more backing from the government.
However, I've always been amazed at how our municipalities have not valued the money that anglers bring into the community. If you go south of the border you will find many well organized boat launch sites on most bigger rivers. And, even the smaller rivers have cement launch sites and flush toilets. That is not the case in British Columbia. Most of the few access points that we actually do have are small and very rough. The Fraser is a HUGE river and yet there are only a handful of boat launches on its entire length. There are NO proper boat launch sites on ANY river on Vancouver Island. The two fishing communities of Uclulet and Tofino only have ONE very small boat launch site each... and no public parking. The Stamp river has only two boat launch sites and both are small, rough and far apart. The Cowichan River has none, and the one egress point at the brink of Skutz Falls to take out rafts is VERY dangerous in medium to high water. I can rave on and on about this situation but the municipalities don't care. Even our Provincial and Canadian Parks departments don't seem to want anglers anywhere near our waterways.
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excellent point.
You are correct US is much more pro-active in these.
Snake and Columbia are huge rivers and all have access points with outhouses, garbage cans etc.
And they clean them up.
In a lot of cases access points have been separated from the private land to allow river access.
Considering the money involved and benefits it could be a way to go. Maybe even add an extra $10 to the fishing license system to pay for it, providing the money went to this enhancement not into other things.
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I'd rather just put my garbage in my buddy's vest when he's not looking. That way there's no garbage left behind and I don't need to carry it out. It's win-win ;D
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Today, at about 8.30am a silver grey Toyota RAV 4 was parked by the side of the road in front of the trail. The owner showed total and utter disrespect
that the property is private and the request for use of the trail is not allowed.2 persons of Asian origin walked into the trail to the bar.
If there is a sign reading Private Property, NO Trespassers, please show respect and do not use the trail . It is PRIVATE PROPERTY you could be charge for trespassing if the police are called.
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Yah,its going to be tough to keep people from trespassing there by the sounds of it...
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Yah,its going to be tough to keep people from trespassing there by the sounds of it...
Not really, the owner just needs to start calling the RCMP. I myself would walk down there with a rifle and tell them to GTFO if I owned the land lol
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Two cars parked there now ! Too bad im going out there until Sunday, If some is parked there sunday I will walk down the trail and stay at the head to make sure its a long walk for them back to they're car :)
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A call to the towing company might help - imagine the lesson learned when hiking out to not only find your vehicle gone, but a hefty tow bill to rub it in a little! oooops, outside typing voice? :-X
Today, at about 8.30am a silver grey Toyota RAV 4 was parked by the side of the road in front of the trail. The owner showed total and utter disrespect
that the property is private and the request for use of the trail is not allowed.2 persons of Asian origin walked into the trail to the bar.
If there is a sign reading Private Property, NO Trespassers, please show respect and do not use the trail . It is PRIVATE PROPERTY you could be charge for trespassing if the police are called.
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Not really, the owner just needs to start calling the RCMP. I myself would walk down there with a rifle and tell them to GTFO if I owned the land lol
Not sure how well the R.C.M.P will respond. I should of explained futher by saying the owners will have to be there 24-7 to keep the flossers away...
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Cant have the vehicles towed as it is ok to park on the side of the road. Like I said I f I see a vehicle there sunday I will go down and make sure that they have a VERY long walk back :)
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If you wonder why areas get closed down check out the pictures I posted from today on the Fraser Valley Salmon Society FB page although most likely not dumped by anglers.
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I've never found this bar a good bar fishing bar..... so keep those flosser's out Rantalot !!!! now down stream is a different thing !
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Here is the problem most of the land that we access is native land and if this continues my daughter will most likely ask the rest who have land along the river to block access as well.
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Here is the problem most of the land that we access is native land and if this continues my daughter will most likely ask the rest who have land along the river to block access as well.
Now this will really cause a sh*t storm. Lol. Where my popcorn?
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Most likely but hey the ignorant ones have caused the situation!
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They are not ignorant. They are stupid, selfish and have no sense of civic duty. Close all the access trails on native land to all outsiders. There will be peace and tranquility!
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So it was YOUR half full coffee cup of Tim's I have bumped into a couple of times on the mid river. :o
I always wondered who is the dude that would leave his coffee so neatly placed on the beach.
No sweat, I emptied it and packed the cup out for you - maybe that's why you couldn't find it sometimes. ;D
tip out the coffee , and fill it with river water, then replace it. :)
sandy , left more equipment and thermouses by the river than he cares to admit too, or did I just do it!
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I would like to thank all the fisherman who have been hiking in from further down and walking down the beach. Also would like to thank them for giving people crap for still hiking through my property.
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Not really, the owner just needs to start calling the RCMP. I myself would walk down there with a rifle and tell them to GTFO if I owned the land lol
Would you shoot to kill or just maybe shoot them in the leg to seriously maim?? Or just blowing hot air? If you pointed a rifle at me I'd make sure you did jail time . I'd be snapping plenty of pics with the cell phone to prove it .
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Would you shoot to kill or just maybe shoot them in the leg to seriously maim?? Or just blowing hot air? If you pointed a rifle at me I'd make sure you did jail time .
Who said anything about aiming at anyone. Just the rifle alone and yelling at them to get out would scare most away.
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I would like to thank all the fisherman who have been hiking in from further down and walking down the beach. Also would like to thank them for giving people crap for still hiking through my property.
Thank you Solruua for the conciliatory tone of you posts . Better then some of the extremist responses this thread is getting .I was one of those three guys you met last week Saturday And I posted this thread because I told you I would , even though I knew of the type of replies it would likely get . You are more likely to get better responses with a reasoned approach .
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Who said anything about aiming at anyone. Just the rifle alone and yelling at them to get out would scare most away.
What's a rifle for ???? I'd only take plenty of pics of you and would not leave the scene as I would be waiting for the RCMP next. It would still get you jail time .
This is why there is so little co-operation on so many issues because of so many extremist factions in the fishing community. I posted this thread to help the land owner out , not to start some divisive anti- flossing / pro-flossing downward spiraling thread . The issue was about respecting private property and keeping the place clean , you don't get much co-operation if you fly off the handle the wrong way and use an issue to promote a secondary agenda .
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What's a rifle for ???? I'd only take plenty of pics of you and would not leave the scene as I would be waiting for the RCMP next. It would still get you jail time .
This is why there is so little co-operation on so many issues because of so many extremist factions in the fishing community. I posted this thread to help the land owner out , not to start some divisive anti- flossing / pro-flossing downward spiraling thread . The issue was about respecting private property and keeping the place clean , you don't get much co-operation if you fly off the handle the wrong way and use an issue to promote a secondary agenda .
Rifle could be for target practice with the cans, if it's even loaded. It isn't illegal to carry an unloaded rifle around on your own property. You're the one twisting stuff about and assuming stuff. If you disobeyed the signs stating private property and no trespassing I would love for you to call the cops and wait for them because you would be arrested.
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Rifle could be for target practice with the cans, if it's even loaded. It isn't illegal to carry an unloaded rifle around on your own property. You're the one twisting stuff about and assuming stuff. If you disobeyed the signs stating private property and no trespassing I would love for you to call the cops and wait for them because you would be arrested.
What ever... ::) have fun explaining that to a judge . Personally , I don't believe you would even do it . Sounds like hot air to me, but if not whatever, have fun explaining it to a judge . Jail time for threatening people with a rifle , a fine for trespassing . Bad idea threatening people with a rifle , not matter how you try to rationalize it . Have a good one , I got better things to do .
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What ever... ::) have fun explaining that to a judge . Personally , I don't believe you would even do it . Sounds like hot air to me, but if not whatever, have fun explaining it to a judge . Jail time for threatening people with a rifle , a fine for trespassing . Bad idea threatening people with a rifle , not matter how you try to rationalize it . Have a good one , I got better things to do .
My original post about the rifle was if I owned the land but I guess you forgot. So how would I get charged for trespassing on my own land then?
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Ok so today I went to check things out and noticed one car parked at the trail. So we drove and after finding the owner and asking him if he could read? He said it was his first time on the trail blah blah blah, so we warned him next time the cops would be called.We walk back and after I helped one guy land a huge spring we ended up talking to another fellow who had fished there all week and taking the long trail to the beach,turns out the guy parked up on the trail head was talking crap as this guy he had been there all week parking in the same spot!
We just told everyone that if it continues that my kid would be talking to the rest of the landowners to block access all the way back as far as they could ! It only takes one dick head to start all this crap.
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Also pasted scale bar today to see about 30 cars parked in clear view of the no parking signs! Where are the cops who are suppose to be handing out no parking tickets ???
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While I think the owners of the private land has the rights to their privacy but I do think the fishermen are also being kicked around and be deprived of enough parking space at Scale Bar. There are spots by the truck scale closed out for parking unnecessarily. The closing of Pipeline or Snaggy Bar will mean over-crowding at the Scale Bar and Seabird Bar, and yet these bars had closed off parking close to the entry trails to the bars unnecessarily.
While some members here are hammering their fellow fishermen for not respecting posted signs, since when DFO and whoever selling us fishing licenses respect their customers and do their part to provide reasonable parking for known popular fishing areas. Selling large number of licenses and not providing enough legal parking spots will force people to park illegally.
Ian Forbes posted here that in the State, authorities do their share to provide boat launches for fishermen. We are not evening talking boat launches, just some parking spots during the brief fishing season of about one month in those known popular locations, parking spots that are costing nothing to DFO and whoever the authorities are. These were parking spots there already but just closed off with poor excuses from the authority. Yet some members here seem to think fishermen are deliberate in breaking the law. Those poor souls just happened to drive up to 2 hours from town and spent $$$ in gas, then finding no spots to park. Many don't know where else to fish if their intended spot is closed off or running out room to park (in this case due to closure of the Snaggy Bar). Don't expect them to head back to town and forgo fishing.
I don't agree people should break the law deliberately, but the authority is making life very difficult for Fraser fishermen (unless you own a boat). I won't cheer the authority for so doing. There will be more people dropping out of fishing if they get ticketed repeatedly. I personally had friends dropping out just because of their car broken in. So getting parking ticket often when they have no where to park will frustrate people enough to just exit the hobby and just happy to buy cheap from illegal source. I guess some members will be happy to see less people fishing, but fish license fees do help DFO keeping up their stocking program and services. If less people fish, less license revenue, and less funding for fish projects. It goes both ways.
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I went to Snaggy accessing from the top end the first time this year. Bad idea. It is a dangerous route. I don't recommend people with family and children or those not fit enough to try this route at all. Don't try it if you have ankle problem or with bad back. Besides the long, uneven and sloping walk over endless rocks and gravels, there is also a log jam blocking the shoreline, forcing people to climb the steep slope on slippery loose soil, climb over the fallen log, tip toeing among dead branches and descend sharply without good footing spots. One wrong step they will be falling down to fast fast current and risk drowning. If some one just saw off the log, then it will be safer. Until then, it may be a death trap waiting to happen. The owner has the right to close the popular trail off, but the strong fishing desire of fishermen who used to fish there may force them to take the unnecessary risk to try to catch a fish. I don't blame many people staying off to other bars. Seabird and Scales are now the other close by choices to consider. If only they provide enough legal parking spots for all these extra fishermen who now abandon Snaggy or Lower Pipeline Bar.
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Wow so your saying the people fishing should not hrld accountable? A few years back there was lots of parking at scale bar but then stupidity took over ! People were parking in a very insafe manner and making it hard for scale access to the trucks.maybe if people observed the rules instead lose im a flosser and i can do want mentality then it might change. Soon enough there will be little access to the lougheed side of the Fraser. People who use will have no one to blame but themselves!
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Rules are rules, and I have no sympathy for people breaking them to fish these places. Hopefully it will reduce the gong show.
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^^ Yuup, totally agree, and although it's unfortunate I can't say I mind at all since I personally never venture over that way except when going to the Stave, and last year I started taking my mountain bike in the back of my truck so I can ride in and not have to worry about parking there either. I just hide it in the bush somewhere and go walking.
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Ian Forbes posted here that in the State, authorities do their share to provide boat launches for fishermen. We are not evening talking boat launches, just some parking spots during the brief fishing season of about one month in those known popular locations, parking spots that are costing nothing to DFO and whoever the authorities are. These were parking spots there already but just closed off with poor excuses from the authority. Yet some members here seem to think fishermen are deliberate in breaking the law. Those poor souls just happened to drive up to 2 hours from town and spent $$$ in gas, then finding no spots to park. Many don't know where else to fish if their intended spot is closed off or running out room to park (in this case due to closure of the Snaggy Bar). Don't expect them to head back to town and forgo fishing.
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