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shuswapsteve

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--The "SPIN" is that everything is now fine. The media battle...showing the  slurry running down the creek vs the Mine manager who will be shown fishing the shores and holding up a glass of Gin clear water before taking a sip.
Read the website:
http://www.gov.bc.ca/env/

Restrictions have been lifted (other than the excluded area near Hazeltine) according to the best information collected to date. What do you want Interior Health to say? That the water is not safe to drink when the facts from samples say otherwise? They are no discontinuing monitoring and testing the water - this only the beginning. If there is any spin it's coming from dumb reporters who don't take the time to get the facts straight and love to sensationalize the situation. Read their headlines and then check to see who is providing the expert opinion.
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--You go into the Hospital with your left leg cut off....24 hrs later the Doctor proudly announces... we did several tests and thank God you're right leg is OK. In fact your right leg is in very good shape and you can continue to use it.
--The good news is that while the lab was doing tests on your right leg the bleeding stopped on your left leg. bleeding....there is however still.... much rehab work left to do and no matter what is done... you are not going to be the same as before the accident.

- I am not discounting the importance of the water nor of continued testing. I would not send someone into a dangerous situation to collect samples. They knew enough about what was in the sludge from company records provided. This information was useful in the short term.
- Moving forward to longer term rehab of course they need to know what came out and where it is and what can reasonably be done about it.
--This area is in the interior wet belt... I'm sure the next big rain event will be of some concern.


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Read the website:
http://www.gov.bc.ca/env/

Restrictions have been lifted (other than the excluded area near Hazeltine) according to the best information collected to date. What do you want Interior Health to say? That the water is not safe to drink when the facts from samples say otherwise? They are no discontinuing monitoring and testing the water - this only the beginning. If there is any spin it's coming from dumb reporters who don't take the time to get the facts straight and love to sensationalize the situation. Read their headlines and then check to see who is providing the expert opinion.


2. As a result of this latest testing, Interior Health (IH) has further rescinded its water use advisory. The “Do Not Use” advisory will remain indefinitely for the impact zone directly affected by the breach, which includes Polley Lake, Hazeltine Creek, and where Hazeltine Creek runs into Quesnel Lake, extending to 100 metres from the edge of the sediment deposition.

--This would be the left leg... the right leg is OK for now



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Yeah that's what you were saying. Thanks.  ;)


But getting back to the ridiculous - No staff available because it was a stat. Despite my best efforts, I can't for the life of me figure out where that notion comes from. I worked for years in the private sector doing emergency clean ups for floods, fires etc. Left for a job once while eating Christmas dinner. It was just part of the job.
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--Maybe some registered experts need to go back to school for a refresher course.
Found this on another site............
Provincial government sheds scientists, but needs more
Vancouver Sun
Wednesday, August 13, 2014
Page B06
By Scott McCannell

Last week, just a day after the Mount Polley tailings pond disaster, The Vancouver Sun reported that B.C.'s Mines Minister Bill Bennett told a news conference in Williams Lake that he was "losing sleep" over the potential state of 20 similar ponds in the province.

"This gives us about the best reason a person could have to really take a step back. Every Canadian has to be concerned about this," Bennett was quoted as saying.

We at the Professional Employees Association are also losing sleep over what happened at Mount Polley and what could happen elsewhere in the province. In fact, it gives us nightmares because we believe the provincial government is increasing the risk of other tailings pond collapses by systematically cutting back on the number of experts and scientists it employs to inspect them and ensure they are safe.

Since 2004, the Ministry of Energy and Mines has decreased the number of engineers and geologists it employs by 21 per cent. The inspection of tailings ponds is one of the many duties these professionals carry out on behalf of the people of British Columbia.

Minister Bennett says there has been no decrease in the number of inspections of tailings ponds in the past five years (once per year for structural integrity, unless there are complaints or specific issues), but perhaps the inspection schedule itself is the problem. News reports since the incident quote consultants and members of local communities as being concerned about the safety of the pond, but there's no indication that the government sent its engineers to investigate. Bennett said at his Williams Lake media conference that there was no warning or cause for concern.

But it stands to reason that if you cut back on professional staff whose job is to inspect and monitor facilities like tailings ponds, the risk to public safety and the environment increases.

For more than a decade the government has been reducing Licensed Science Officers right across the board. We warned about this in a report in March this year (endangeredexperts. ca/report/PEA_Report.pdf). We showed that between 2009 and 2014 the number of experts and scientists in government dropped by 15 per cent, and the trend is downward.

Our study echoed concerns that have been raised in the past by B.C.'s auditor general. In a February 2012 report, the AG found that the B.C. Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations lacked the capacity to gather important information about forest management.

Only a small portion of B.C.'s forests was ground surveyed to the extent needed to inform decision-making and assist in timber supply reviews, according to the AG's report. This impacted decisions made on harvesting timber, reforestation and the overall health of the forest resource.

These are important issues because natural resources are the backbone of the B.C. economy and neglecting their management and monitoring is a threat to the environment and to the economic well-being of all British Columbians.

Licensed science officers are professionally trained and accredited experts and scientists including foresters, engineers, agrologists, geoscientists, veterinarians, psychologists, physiotherapists and pharmacists. They provide the provincial government with advice, guidance, research, monitoring and review services to help ensure the efficient and effective management, utilization and oversight of B.C.'s natural resources, infrastructure, food and water resources and some aspects of health care services.

They are often the firstline stewards of our natural resources and have oversight of the safety of infrastructure - including tailings ponds. We believe there are now not enough science officers working for the province to adequately look after the interests of British Columbians - and the situation is getting worse.

The cutbacks mean that much of the work these experts and scientists were doing has been reduced, discontinued or contracted out to the private sector. We currently face the prospect of an LNG development boom in B.C. While these projects have the potential to significantly benefit British Columbians, they could become major liabilities if oversight and stewardship are left almost exclusively to the proponents and their consultants.

Now more than ever B.C. needs licensed science officers to ensure that the LNG sector is developed in a way that provides the maximum possible protection to the environment and the people of the province. We should be hiring more experts, not getting rid of them.

Scott McCannell is executive director of the Professional Employees Association (pea.org), a labour union representing 2,500 professionals in British Columbia, including approximately 1,150 government-licensed science officers working for the province.
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--You go into the Hospital with your left leg cut off....24 hrs later the Doctor proudly announces... we did several tests and thank God you're right leg is OK. In fact your right leg is in very good shape and you can continue to use it.
--The good news is that while the lab was doing tests on your right leg the bleeding stopped on your left leg. bleeding....there is however still.... much rehab work left to do and no matter what is done... you are not going to be the same as before the accident.

- I am not discounting the importance of the water nor of continued testing. I would not send someone into a dangerous situation to collect samples. They knew enough about what was in the sludge from company records provided. This information was useful in the short term.
- Moving forward to longer term rehab of course they need to know what came out and where it is and what can reasonably be done about it.
--This area is in the interior wet belt... I'm sure the next big rain event will be of some concern.
You said that the "spin" is that everything is fine now. Who is saying that everything is fine? Why would they say that everything is fine if an advisory is still in effect for that particular area around Hazeltine Creek?  It's buyer beware when it come to reading about this tailings breach in the media.
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Reports of people getting sick...Solid coverage from this top blogger.

http://commonsensecanadian.ca/mount-polley-making-people-sick-anecdotal-clues-questions/
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Now if the mine happened to be Glenn Clarks back deck imagine the investigation eh.




Editorial: Mining company cash to politicians leaves a stench

Vancouver Sun August 15, 2014 11:49 AM

 

It was an uncomfortable discovery last week that the controlling shareholder of Imperial Mines is a political supporter of Christy Clark.

Photograph by: Leah Hennel, Calgary Herald


It was an uncomfortable discovery last week that the controlling shareholder of Imperial Mines is a political supporter of Christy Clark, and that several companies Murray Edwards is linked to made substantial donations to the provincial Liberals during the years.

As Vancouver Sun reporter Kelly Sinoski reported, Edwards helped organize a $1-million private fundraiser in Calgary last year to bolster the premier's re-election bid. And six firms the Calgary billionaire is connected to have contributed $436,227 to the premier's party since 2005. Specifically, Imperial Metals donated $131,390 to the governing party. Edwards, who has helped the premier make business connections in Calgary, owns, directly or indirectly, 36 per cent of the mining company's shares.

The news is uncomfortable because Imperial Mines earlier this month suffered a tailings pond breach at its Mount Polley mine, releasing millions of cubic metres of metals-laden silt into surrounding waterways, causing potential problems both for human drinking water and fish. The water and silt continue to be tested.

It lately has also come to light that Imperial Metals has received no fewer than five warnings from provincial mining inspectors - the last of which, in May, focused directly on the tailings pond, which overflowed Aug. 4.

Now, in the proper course, political contributions and gestures of support B.C.'s premier received from Edwards and his corporate interests would have no influence on how the mine gets policed by the province. But some inevitably will wonder: could it be that enforcement would have been more rigorous had there been limits on money the governing party has received from this mining company?

It is precisely because no British Columbian ever should be left to wonder about a such potential conflict that B.C.'s excessively permissive system of political donations needs to be reined in.

As it happens, B.C. joins Saskatchewan, Newfoundland and P.E.I. as having the most liberal political donation rules in Canada.

Election BC's Don Main explains: "There are no limits to contributions in B.C. at either the provincial or local elections level. Corporations and individuals (and trade unions) from anywhere in the world can make political contributions of any amount," as long as their donations are not anonymous.

The federal government, Nova Scotia, Quebec and Manitoba all ban contributions from both corporations and trade unions.

And donations from outside Canada are banned at the federal level, and in Quebec, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta. In most provinces, annual donation limits are imposed at various levels but always under $10,000 - except in Alberta, where it's under $15,000.

Integrity B.C.'s Dermod Travis earlier this week said that in 2012, Imperial Metals lobbied the province to shorten the approval process for new mines and extend a flow-through tax credit for the industry, measures B.C. has been acting upon.

Isn't that a coincidence?, Travis asks. "Now, every single cent of those donations could simply be because Edwards is a swell guy and Imperial a swell company," he says. "But that won't wash away what some call the sewer scents of B.C. politics from Edwards's largesse."

The province should take prompt action to restrict political contributions, to give voters greater confidence their governance system has no such odour.

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CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story misspelled Dermod Travis's name.

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© Copyright (c) The Vancouver Sun

 
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another SLICE of dirty fish perhaps?

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The B.C. Liberals - The bestest government money can buy.
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Reports of people getting sick...Solid coverage from this top blogger.

http://commonsensecanadian.ca/mount-polley-making-people-sick-anecdotal-clues-questions/

Lots of speculation - very little evidence. Very common theme from this "top blogger".
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"This gives us about the best reason a person could have to really take a step back. Every Canadian has to be concerned about this," Bennett was quoted as saying.

Hopefully this will be part of the investigation, but....yeah...Mr. Bennett and his government should take a step back and consider what the impact of these cuts have had to environmental protection - especially if they want public confidence with future projects. 
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--Maybe some registered experts need to go back to school for a refresher course.
Over the past decade there has been a 21 per cent cut to the number of licensed science officers in the Ministry of Energy and Mines.

Endangered Experts website...........http://endangeredexperts.ca

Video at the top and further info if you scroll down.
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Apparently Sockeye do not go into the East Arm of Quesnel Lake according to "Dr." Morton. Morton is quick to jump on the enviro-bandwagon, but it appears like she needs to spend some more time learning about Fraser Sockeye and where they spawn. Doesn't seem she has spent much time on the Horsefly either.

Graphic above from:
http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/alexandra_morton/2014/08/been-to-hell.html#comments
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