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British Columbia Sport & Outdoor Lounge => Hunters' Cabin => Topic started by: IronNoggin on February 12, 2021, 01:41:01 PM
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The Liberal government is poised to introduce legislation as early as next week aimed at strengthening gun control.
The long−promised bill would flesh out last spring’s ban of many firearms, propose stricter storage provisions and target gun smuggling.
The government outlawed a variety of firearms by cabinet order in May, saying they were built for the battlefield, not hunting or sport−shooting.
The ban covers some 1,500 models and variants of what the government considers assault−style weapons, meaning they can no longer be legally used, sold or imported.
The bill is expected to propose a program to buy back these firearms at fair market value, but allow owners to keep them with strict conditions.
The government has long signalled its intention to empower municipalities to manage the storage and use of handguns within their individual jurisdictions, given that they have different needs and concerns.
https://www.kelownanow.com/news/news/National_News/Trudeau_government_poised_to_introduce_new_gun_control_legislation/
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As expected:
From this article: https://www.cp24.com/news/trudeau-government-would-allow-municipalities-to-ban-handguns-under-new-bill-1.5310838
"Newly tabled gun legislation would allow municipalities to ban handguns through bylaws restricting their possession, storage and transportation. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says today the measures will be backed up with serious penalties to enforce these bylaws, including jail time for people who violate municipal rules."
Municipal Bylaws are now to circumvent the Federal Firearms Act, The Canadian Criminal Code, and the Constitution? You thought he was facing serious legally oriented backlash over the OIC, just wait until you see the line-up of Legal Beagles jumping at the chance to bite into this mess!
CTV's spin doesn't mention the handgun aspect, but does address the OIC Prohibitions:
Feds table firearms legislation with optional gun buyback program
"The federal government is moving forward with its promise to impose stricter gun laws today and will implement a voluntary buyback program to purchase now-prohibited firearms in the "coming months."
Owners of any of the 1,500 firearm models and their variants that the government reclassified as "prohibited" last May will have the option of keeping their weapon under strict storage rules or selling it to Ottawa.
Owners will be first be required to properly license and register their weapon, so authorities know how many are in the hands of the public and whether conditions are being followed.
The government did not provide a clear estimate of the cost of the program."
There is a hell of a lot to question right there...
If these weapons are so damned dangerous they had to be prohibited via a knee jerk OIC, why the hell would they be allowed to remain in legal owner's hands?
Why would anyone who owns a previously unrestricted firearm that landed on the Prohibited List run to inform the government of their ownership? What level of compliance do they think will be achieved here?
They can't produce a budget? More likely they don't want the public to become aware of the millions upon millions this fiasco will cost in an all for naught fumbling of dealing with firearm violence & criminal use in Canada.
Nog
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Vancouver mayor wants handgun ban if legislation passes
Vancouver’s mayor says he plans to ask council to implement a handgun ban in the city, if the federal government gives municipalities the power to do so.
https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/02/16/vancouver-mayor-wants-handgun-ban/
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The actual Bill at First Reading for any who might be interested:
https://parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/43-2/bill/C-21/first-reading
Interesting creep. Now AirSoft "guns" have made the list...
Nog
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'The vast majority of gun crimes are committed with illegally obtained firearms': Conservatives respond to Trudeau gun ban
"Taking firearms away from law-abiding citizens does nothing to stop dangerous criminals and gangs who obtain their guns illegally," a statement from the Conservatives says.
https://thepostmillennial.com/the-vast-majority-of-gun-crimes-are-committed-with-illegally-obtained-firearms-conservatives-respond-to-trudeau-gun-ban
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Why the Liberals insist on a handgun ban that nobody wants
"In a Throne Speech mostly devoted to far more important matters, the Liberals committed to pressing ahead with the least rational and most disposable of their election promises on guns: their promise to empower cities to ban handguns.
Gun control organizations tell us this is a dumb plan: Any gun laws we make must be uniform across the country, lest we follow the United States in creating an ineffective patchwork of laws and loopholes. Canada’s gun lobby is also adamant that it is a dumb plan, for the same reasons. Minister of Public Safety Bill Blair deserves congratulations: He has achieved the impossible, crafting a gun control proposal on which both sides agree.
The Liberals can take comfort in that favourite refuge of politicians, the middle-ground fallacy. If everyone is dissatisfied, you must have arrived at a fair and reasonable balance. Alas, it’s also possible that you have come up with a bad plan.
It’s not even clear how cities can ban handguns. No such ban in Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver can succeed without provincial co-operation. But the provinces have joined other stakeholders in the consensus that this is not a wise plan. Doug Ford and Jason Kenney have voiced public opposition to any ban on handguns, and the Saskatchewan government has even made a law to stop its cities from regulating firearms.
Any attempt to work around the provinces can only lead to the Supreme Court. If nothing else, it’s a laudable job creation plan – someone has to keep the nation’s hungry lawyers in buttons, bows and BMWs.
And gang violence will continue, and Canadians will continue to die, but we will all rest assured that we have done something."
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-why-the-liberals-insist-on-a-handgun-ban-that-nobody-wants/
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An analysis of Bill C - 21:
Yesterday Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Public Safety Minister Bill Blair, Deputy PM Chrystia Freeland and Justice Minister David Lametti took to the airwaves to announce their sweeping new ‘gun control’ election platform, Bill C-21. https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/FullText.html (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/FullText.html)
Before we look at what’s in Bill C-21, it’s important to take note of what’s not contained in this draft legislation.
Firearm Confiscation Compensation
Both the Prime Minister and the Minister of Public Safety said this legislation was required in order to implement their much-talked-about Firearm Confiscation Compensation program.
Not one line of Bill C-21 deals with funding for a compensation package for firearm owners who agree to surrender their legally-acquired firearms to the government.
Quote: “Details of a buyback program will be announced later.”
New Safe Storage Requirements
The federal government appears to leave any new firearm storage requirements in the hands of individual municipalities. Bill C-21 says an individual must store their firearms in compliance with any municipal storage requirements that may be issued.
Quote: “comply with strict storage conditions (to be prescribed) and confirm periodically they are still in compliance.”
So what’s in the bag?
Now we can get to what’s included in Bill C-21. This legislation will, if passed, redefine ‘replica firearm’ to include pellet and BB guns.
OnTwitter, Doctors for Protection from Guns moronically called these items “gateway guns” in their effort to demonize childhood. [ii]
Make it a criminal offence to unpin a “high-capacity” magazine:
Possession of a “high-capacity” magazine was already a crime. No explanation was offered for why we need a new criminal offence for these magazines.
Allow anyone to make an ‘ex parte’ application for a Firearms Prohibition Order against another person:
After decades of dealing with the current Firearms Act ‘red flag law’ we know many complaints are made to “get back at” or “punish” a former intimate partner, not because there is a legitimate fear for personal safety. The ‘ex parte’ application contained in Bill C-21 will likely see this percentage of abusive and baseless complaints rise significantly.
Allow police officers to enter your home without a warrant.
Bill C-21 will allow police officers to enter a home without a warrant to “search for and seize any such thing, and any authorization, licence or registration certificate relating to any such thing, that is held by or in the possession of the person.”
Note the legislation does not say the subject of these invasive measures must be a gun owner. All that’s required to set this train wreck in motion is for someone to lodge a complaint.
When the state can enter your home – “search for and seize any such thing” – without a warrant, we no longer live in a nation of laws. We live in a nation of cancel culture, wokeness and second-class citizens where anyone, not just firearm owners, can be attacked using this provision.
Increase the maximum penalty from 10 to 14 years for some Criminal Code offences.
Since the current penalties for Sections 95, 96, 99, 100 and 103 are almost certainly unconstitutional (the primary reason Private Members Bill C-238 was defeated last week), this change seems pointless since the penalties will be tossed out by the Supreme Court when they are eventually challenged. [iii]
Municipal Handgun Ban
The primary emphasis of Bill C-21 is to allow municipalities to ban handguns within their municipal boundaries and possibly the creation of so-called “central storage facilities” using existing firearm businesses.
(a) the individual must not — within the boundaries of a municipality — store a handgun at a place other than a business that is the holder of a licence that authorizes it to store prohibited firearms or restricted firearms, in the case where
(i) a by-law to that effect is in force in the municipality,
(ii) the municipality has notified the federal Minister, in the prescribed manner, of the passing of the by-law, and
(iii) the municipality has provided the prescribed information to the federal Minister, or a person designated by that Minister, in the prescribed manner;
The municipal handgun ban cannot take effect until 180 days after a notice is sent to the Minister “in the prescribed manner” and includes “the prescribed information” – neither of which is defined in C-21.
No Explanation for Constitutional Overreach
The federal government has no jurisdictions over cities as they are the creation of provincial authorities. The federal government does not explain how their patchwork handgun bans will survive a constitutional challenge.
These are some of the provisions contained in the Liberal Government’s pre-election platform on firearms.
Not one line of this legislation addresses criminal misuse of guns. It focuses entirely on licensed, RCMP-vetted, firearm owners – AGAIN!
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Nog,
As an American, I enjoy your sharing of news and commentary on this issue because it is gives perspective to the situation down here. Here's my thoughts:
I agree that the US experience shows you can't effectively ban guns in one city when they are just going to be brought in from the county. While I don't think the American prevalence of firearms, and handguns, is healthy, it is clear that piecemeal solutions don't work. One of the biggest differences between fishing in BC vs. fishing in the US is that in the US there is a good chance that multiple anglers on the river bank with me are carrying a handgun, regardless of how remote or urban the location is. If I were in Alaska or Montana then it may make some sense to carry large caliber handgun to the risk of brown bear attacks, but to me our black bears don't justify packing heat.
As to the "ex parte" firearm prohibition order - I have seen this both ways. As a young attorney (back when I did divorces - never again) I represented a young man whose estranged wife sought a restraining order that resulted in him losing his firearms, and he therefore had to miss a hunting season. She later admitted to me that she didn't really have a subjective fear for her life, and she only did it to get back at him. On the other hand, a young woman who used to date my brother-in-law was shot and killed by her boyfriend who had PTSD from serving in Afghanistan and should not have had a firearm, shortly before he killed himself. Or when I was 7, a classmate of mine was locked outside of his house while his mother was shot and killed by her boyfriend inside. That is the real risk we run when we do not have mechanisms in place to remove firearms from those who are mentally unwell or just plain abusive.
I do also wonder how much of the gun crimes in Canada are caused by the illegal flow of firearms from the US, and if Canada's existing laws would be more effective if it were an island (or at the very least didn't have a limitless supply of firearms next door).
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That is the real risk we run when we do not have mechanisms in place to remove firearms from those who are mentally unwell or just plain abusive.
Thanks for your reply Sir. Well thought out & presented.
In relation to this first comment, I agree. However that mechanism already exists here.
What the liberals are now presenting is that anyone, anywhere, with no knowledge of who you are or what your standing is, may file requesting your firearms be removed. And that any such filing must be taken seriously and acted upon. Over-reach in other words.
I do also wonder how much of the gun crimes in Canada are caused by the illegal flow of firearms from the US, and if Canada's existing laws would be more effective if it were an island (or at the very least didn't have a limitless supply of firearms next door).
It has been repeatedly proven that the vast majority of firearms used in criminal offenses within Canada originate from the the US, illegally smuggled by criminals into Canada. The new proposed legislation pays but little lip service to this, and a pittance of tax funding to address (substantially less than what is actually required).
On the other hand is does set the taxpayer up for a bill that will exceed a Billion dollars. Funding that would serve a much better purpose in actually benefiting Canadians were it to be employed in a myriad of alternative directions. This for a vote pandering exercise that will result in no real effect whatsoever on gangs, drugs, smuggling and criminal use of firearms.
Cheers,
Nog
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The devolving of the handgun issue to municipalities is going to be a much larger undertaking than they thought.
Municipalities are the creation of, and the jurisdiction of the provinces.
More and more this is being recognized, and steps taken to prevent their attempt to download the matter there.
Alberta's Minister of Justice and Solicitor General Kaycee Madu is but one example, stating:
“We are also bewildered by the supposed provision for municipal bylaw gun bans. Albertans are smart enough to know that made-in-Toronto calls for city gun bans are futile, since criminals flagrantly using guns won't follow such a bylaw anyways. In addition, a patchwork approach of policy varying by invisible municipal boundaries would create obvious confusion in enforcement, and the federal government clearly knows that.
“The Constitution is clear that municipalities fall under the jurisdiction of the provinces. In fact, municipalities in Alberta are a creation of the provincial government. The federal bill has just been introduced, but should it pass, Alberta would vigilantly defend its jurisdiction.
“I'd also note that MLA Michaela Glasgo has introduced private member's Bill 211, which would limit municipalities' ability to pass bylaws on these matters. The Government of Alberta will expedite that bill, and remains on track to appoint Alberta’s Chief Firearms Officer.”
https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?xID=77288C6D1F828-FBA6-1EE2-A272038F4543240D
The Bill is extremely poorly written, and will face substantial legal challenges if passed. More and more it looks like the liberals didn't really intend for it to pass, but rather were hoping the Conservatives would rise to the bait and offer them an opportunity to leverage that response for the purposes of their impending election call. Apparently that isn't quite working they way they thought it would.
Cheers - Nog
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And in their latest spin the bottle move, the liberals tabled C - 22...
Trudeau reduces sentence for serious gun crimes
"Two days after saying growing gun violence is 'unacceptable'
Mandatory minimum sentences are being removed for a long list of offences including:
– Use of firearm in commission of offence
– Possession of restricted or prohibited weapon knowing possession is unauthorized
– Possession of loaded handgun
– Possession of weapon obtained through crime
– Weapons trafficking
– Unauthorized import/export of firearm
– Illegal discharge of a firearm with intent
– Robbery with firearm
– Extortion with firearm
The government put these changes into a bill they described as dealing with systemic racism in Canada’s justice system and making sure that people who make simple mistakes don’t pay for them for the rest of their lives.
“These are people with health problems. These are single mothers. These are young people who perhaps have made a couple of mistakes,” Justice Minister David Lametti said while introducing his bill.
It sounds nice and it pulls on the heartstrings, but it’s also a load of BS."
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-reduces-sentence-for-serious-gun-crimes
There is more in that article, including a poll on C - 21.
In this matter I firmly agree with the author.
From this ironic action, the Trudeau government well indicates they are not serious about dealing with firearm crime, and in fact are simply deflecting from their problems of late, while pandering once again for votes.
Shameful
Nog
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A Lawyer speaks out regarding AirSoft gun prohibitions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2oIWs_h3Vc
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The Canadian Bar Association: The government has failed to make the case that banning legal handguns is a solution to tackling violent crime. "PAL holders are less than half as likely as the average Canadian to commit homicide"
Irrational lawmaking
https://www.nationalmagazine.ca/en-ca/articles/law/opinion/2021/irrational-lawmaking
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What You (We) Can Do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVcLK9b6aW4
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Record petition in support of gun rights presented before the House of Commons
https://tnc.news/2021/03/11/record-petition-in-support-of-gun-rights-presented-before-the-house-of-commons/
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Interesting turn of events...
Opponents of gun control bill are denouncing Trudeau and no longer want him at Polytechnique commemorations
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/mobile/opponents-of-gun-control-bill-are-denouncing-trudeau-and-no-longer-want-him-at-polytechnique-commemorations-1.5352094
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It appears Sock Boy is caving to the threatened photo op loss.
Nothing grabs a narcissistic personally harder than denying them their moment of virtue signaling fame...
Trudeau hints at openness to gun bill changes after criticism from victims' families
"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he is confident the Liberal government's approach to gun control is the right one, but added he's open to hearing suggestions for improvement.
The families, survivors of the mass shooting and witnesses said in a letter to the prime minister this week he would no longer be welcome at annual commemorations unless his government strengthens the bill."
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/trudeau-hints-at-openness-to-gun-bill-changes-after-criticism-from-victims-families-1.5354346
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Bill C-21 Is ‘Harmful’ to Olympics, Shooting Federation of Canada Tells Blair
The Shooting Federation of Canada said the government’s new draft law to criminalize federally licensed gun owners is “harmful” to Olympic and Paralympic disciplines and “will fundamentally choke our sport off at the roots.”
Bill C-21’s measures to eliminate handgun ownership in particular will end athletic careers in one of the world’s most-inclusive sports, SFC President Sandra Honour told Minister Bill Blair in a March 3 letter.
“As the President of the SFC, it is my duty to inform you that your latest proposed firearm legislation Bill C-21 is harmful to the Olympic and Paralympic disciplines, our cultural heritage, and a blow to the many aspiring athletes that have dedicated thousands of hours in the hope of representing Canada on the international sport stage,” Honour said in the letter.
https://sfc-ftc.ca/resources/Documents/EN/2021-03-02 Letter to Minister Bill Blair regarding Bill C-21 for web posting EN.pdf
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Regardless of which side of the fence you sit on, the following video well addresses the issues and the underlying reasons for them quite well. If the anti's in the crowd can get over who the messenger is long enough to try and understand the message, I do believe you will discover some enlightenment here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scvt19zx-ug
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Baby Steps, but steps nonetheless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6X1AXp5dug
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https://toronto.citynews.ca/video/2021/04/09/the-trailer-for-veracity-the-gun-chase/
Getting a gun has never been easier for criminals in Toronto
More than 2.2 million Canadians have a firearms licence and very few of those people are using them in crimes. But nearly every gun seized by Toronto police that is involved in a crime is unregistered and in the hands of people who wouldn’t qualify for a gun under current Canadian regulations.
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/04/23/gun-chase-getting-guns-toronto/
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No silver bullet: Bill C-21 won’t stop Canada’s illegal gun problem
Bill C-21 aims to curb gun violence through stricter regulations, but it won’t work — at least not according to police, victims, gun rights’ advocates, former gang leaders and convicts.
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/04/23/gun-chase-bill-c-21-illegal-guns/
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This fellow is BANG ON!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJNylFu89C0
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Federal Court Orders Liberals to Hand Over Evidence for May 2020 Attacks
31 May 2021
Canada’s Federal Court ordered the government to hand over all documents leading to its May 2020 political attacks against licensed gun owners and businesses, in a major procedural win for the teams fighting the crackdown.
30 Day Deadline
Associate Chief Justice Jocelyne Gagné gave the Attorney General of Canada (AGC) 30 days to give her the evidence, she said in a decision dated May 27 and received by lawyers today.
The governing Liberal Party previously refused to share materials behind its 01 May 2020 Order in Council (OIC) criminalizing honest citizens and ordering them to surrender their suddenly blacklisted rifles and shotguns by April 2022.
‘Landmark Decision’ — Burlew
“In this landmark decision Justice Gagné has required that AGC provide the court with all documents, being the evidentiary record before cabinet that were used in deciding to enact the OIC banning firearms that became SOR/2020-97,” Edward Burlew, one of the lawyers challenging the crackdown, told TheGunBlog.ca today by e-mail.
The Department of Justice in Ottawa didn’t respond immediately to our invitation to comment.
Rule 317, Under Court Seal
The notes, reports, emails and other documents to be produced under Rule 317 of the Federal Courts Rules will be viewable only by the court at first.
Gagné’s decision said the court will analyze the material to decide “whether the public interest in disclosure outweighs its secrecy.”
She rejected the government’s claim to cabinet confidentiality under Section 39 of the Canada Evidence Act.
What the Documents May Show
The political and ideological motivations for the Liberal attacks on honest citizens.
Why the Liberals developed the crackdown in secret and hid their plans from parliament and the public.
How the Royal Canadian Mounted Police supported the attacks, in particular the role of Murray Smith.
The cost of the crackdown, estimated at hundreds of millions or billions of tax dollars.
How the Liberals and RCMP invented the tactic of “nullifying” firearm-registration certificates to criminalize lawful owners.
‘Democratic Principles Prevailed’ — Generoux
“I am deeply relieved that democratic principles prevailed in this situation, and very happy that the judge will get a fuller picture of what went on behind the scenes in the secret drafting of this OIC,” Christine Generoux, a gun owner who’s representing herself in Federal Court, told TheGunBlog.ca. “I feel confident that any existing empirical evidence will support our arguments and exonerate gun owners.”
Memos, Emails and More
Annex A of Gagné’s decision starting on Page 19 is eight pages of the types of documents to be handed over.
They include “Certified copies of all records, research, analysis, policy papers, briefing reports, studies, proposals, presentations, reports, memos, opinions, advice, letters, emails and any other communications that were prepared, commissioned, considered or received” by the government.
Seeing the Evidence — Ek
“We are confident that we will get to see much more than what the government wanted us to see, which was nothing!” said Nils Ek, a national pistol competitor and one of the court applicants.
The entire Federal Court Order to Produce Evidence can be found here:
https://thegunblog.ca/2021/05/31/federal-court-orders-liberals-to-hand-over-evidence-for-may-2020-attacks/
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Gun lobbies, gun control advocates favour end of latest Liberal bill as Commons recess nears
The absence of a controversial firearm bill among priority bills the Liberals want to get through Parliament over the next few weeks has both gun lobbies and gun-control groups relieved.
When Public Safety and National Security Minister Bill Blair tabled Bill C-21 in the House of Commons last February, the legislation was likely intended to take pressure off the government after its even more controversial firearm prohibition order last year.
The measure sparked a Federal Court challenge by gun owners and businesses and the court case continues.
As the Commons nears its scheduled recess date nine sitting days away, June 23, it appears unlikely Bill C-21 will make it into the Public Safety and National Security committee for close scrutiny and evidence.
“C-21’s lack of inclusion in the government’s agenda demonstrates the bill’s lack of necessity,” said Tony Bernardo, executive director of Canadian Shooting Sports Association.
“Sport shooters are not using their firearms for evil, but gang crime is sweeping the country,” Bernardo said Friday in an email exchange from Oshawa, Ont., which is located east of Toronto.
“It is abundantly clear that gang violence is where the government needs to prioritize its efforts, not legislating against RCMP-approved and licensed firearms owners,” he said, reflecting common views of gun owners that have been prevalent through the Liberal government’s gun control program since 2015.
https://ipolitics.ca/2021/06/11/gun-lobbies-gun-control-advocates-favour-end-of-latest-liberal-bill-as-commons-recess-nears/
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Lieberal government defies court orders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-riF490Nfo
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Gun buyback could cost nearly four times Liberal estimate: PBO
A taxpayer rights group is demanding that the Liberal government immediately end its gun buyback program after a Parliamentary Budget Office estimate pegged the program’s cost at $756 million, nearly four times what the Liberals originally claimed.
“Today we learned the gun buyback could cost hundreds of millions more than Canadians have been told and the government still doesn’t know the full costs,” said CTF Federal Director Franco Terrazzano.
“This is a huge sum of money and the people on the front line say the buyback won’t make Canadians safer.”
“Like the first Liberal government gun registry, the firearms buyback program is yet another billion-dollar boondoggle that does nothing to truly address increasing violent crime, gun smuggling, and gang violence in our communities,” Stubbs said in a statement.
“The simple fact is that every dollar spent taking a firearm away from a law-abiding firearm owner is a dollar not going to fight the true issue of firearm crime in Canada – illegally smuggled guns.”
“The government’s initial figure was a joke,” he said. “Anyone familiar with the Liberals’ track record on firearms policy knew it. Yet that hasn’t stopped this government from politicking on the backs of lawful Canadian gun owners, no matter the cost.”
https://tnc.news/2021/06/29/gun-buyback-could-cost-nearly-four-times-liberal-estimate-pbo/
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The entire point of this conversation may soon be moot.
Trudeau has managed to really tick off the judge presiding on the matter, and she has noted there will be repercussions. What will those be...
Firearms ban enacted without justification
In May of 2020, the Liberal government of Justin Trudeau announced a sweeping and immediate ban on more than 1,500 types of firearms that it deemed too dangerous for ordinary Canadians to use and possess. Firearms included in the ban range from semi-automatic sporting rifles like the AR15, which is prevalent in shooting competitions, all the way to high-end, bolt action hunting rifles.
Those cynics among us would have looked at then-recent events in Nova Scotia, noted the timing of Trudeau’s announcement, and correlated the two. They would also have attributed the Trudeau Liberals’ actions to political opportunism. And now it seems they were right.
The last year has seen numerous court battles and legal actions brought against the Trudeau government over and arising from the blanket firearm ban instituted by the order in council of May 2020.
One of these legal actions involves firearms retailers fighting the validity of the order in council directly. As a result of their efforts, on May 27, a federal court judge ordered the Trudeau Liberals to produce the evidentiary backing for their decision to unilaterally ban and plan for the confiscation of the firearms affected by the order in council.
Given that the Trudeau Liberals have always claimed themselves to be open, transparent and committed to sound, evidence-based policy, one would assume that they would be more than willing to produce any evidence that supports their policy directive that is the order in council in question. And one would be wrong.
Just recently, the Trudeau Liberals made it known that they were suddenly invoking Section 39 of the Canada Evidence Act; something that I’m sure most of us have never heard of. Not only that, but they did so after they were ordered to produce the evidence and after having previously stated there would be no need to introduce Section 39 into the proceedings.
However, now that they have invoked this legal clause, Trudeau and the Liberals are using it as a shield to effectively claim that whatever evidence was used in their decision to ban and confiscate the legally owned and used private property of law-abiding Canadian citizens is so sensitive as to be a state secret and threat to national security should anybody outside of cabinet be allowed to see it.
Even though the Trudeau Liberals may have currently brought proceedings to a halt, the use of Section 39 may yet prove damaging to their case. Justice Gagne may not look favourably upon its exercise and view it as nothing more than legal gamesmanship.
If she is of this opinion, she may draw an “adverse inference” and allow proceedings to continue. An adverse inference would not be favourable to Trudeau and the Liberals as it effectively means the court has taken the view that the government has nothing with which to back themselves up; or that what they do have is indeed damaging to their case and so they don’t want it made public.
As previously stated, it’s doubtfully a matter of national security. Thus, one is led to the inference that they either have no evidence at all, or what evidence they do have is damaging to their position.
In either case, it paints a picture of a government that enacted policy without justification for political gain, and upon a segment of the population deemed expendable in the pursuit of votes. So, yes, we are left with the very real possibility that the Trudeau Liberals’ OIC and firearms ban of May 2020 represents little more than an exercise in political posturing to secure votes.
https://www.thesudburystar.com/opinion/columnists/firearms-ban-enacted-without-justification
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Interview with Brian Sauvé - the President of the National Police Federation and the union that represents the RCMP:
https://canadian-taxpayers-podcast.castos.com/episodes/47-interview-brian-sauve-president-of-the-national-police-federation
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Gun lobby tells Ottawa to crack down on illegal gun owners
With a handful of long-delayed gun-control measures now in place after cabinet regulations finally took effect last week, a prominent firearm lobby wants the government to put illegal weapons in its crosshairs.
Like all four major Canadian gun lobbies that have opposed virtually all new firearm laws passed through Parliament by the Liberals, the Canadian Shooting Sports Association (CSSA) wants the government to shift its target from sport shooters and hunters to illegal guns and shootings.
CSSA executive director Tony Bernardo says a shakeup is necessary of the section of the Criminal Code that pertains to the prohibition orders for different types of weapons, and the association has come up with a plan it wants the government to adopt.
“Canadians don’t care about target shooters and duck hunters; they want the daily cycle of gang violence to stop,” Bernardo told iPolitics in an email. “Pursuing laws that only impact the law-abiding is a fool’s errand, doomed to fail simply because it is based on an erroneous premise. Let’s give our police and judges the tools they need to stop the problem.”
https://ipolitics.ca/2021/07/16/gun-lobby-tells-ottawa-to-crack-down-on-illegal-gun-owners/
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Feds spend over $2 million on gun buyback before buying a single gun
The federal government has already spent over $2 million dollars on its gun buyback scheme even though it hasn’t even started buying a single firearm, according to records obtained by the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.
“Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s gun buyback has all the makings of a taxpayer boondoggle,” said Franco Terrazzano, Federal Director for the CTF. “This is going to cost a lot of money, but police officers are making it clear that it won’t make Canadians safer.”
The federal Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness confirmed that $2,017,334 has been spent on salaries and operations for the buyback to date. It also confirmed no firearms have been purchased.
The cost of reimbursing gun owners could cost up to $756 million, according to the Parliamentary Budget Officer. However, the PBO did not include staffing and administration costs due to a lack of program details.
https://www.taxpayer.com/newsroom/feds-spend-over-2-million-on-gun-buyback-before-buying-a-single-gun
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OFAH report examines hunting firearms
What firearms are reasonable for hunting is the focus of a report released today by the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters (OFAH).
The 68-page document, titled What Firearms are Reasonable and Proportionate for Hunting in Canada: An examination of previously non-restricted firearms prohibited under SOR/2020-96, was authored by OFAH Director of Programs and Policy Matt DeMille.
The report examines the relationship between hunting and firearms and analyzes firearms prohibited by order in council (OIC) on May 1, 2020. Canadian firearms owners identified these firearms as being used for hunting, prior to being prohibited, the OFAH stated in a release.
Of the 64 firearms examined that were previously non-restricted, almost all of them were used for hunting by Canadians. The report concludes that there is nothing that separates these now-prohibited firearms from other non-restricted firearms available for hunting in Canada.
https://oodmag.com/ofah-report-examines-hunting-firearms/
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On Oct. 8, 2018, Robert Michael Mero, who has Métis heritage, was convicted of possession of a loaded, restricted firearm and possession of heroin for the purpose of trafficking.
Police had seized a number of items when they searched Mero’s home in Prince George in 2016. Those items included a .38-calibre pistol, ammunition, 23 grams of heroin and a bulletproof vest.
B.C. Supreme Court Justice Joel Groves sentenced Mero to 40 months in jail.
Released upon appeal due to his aboriginal background...
https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/highlights/no-jail-for-man-with-gun-after-judge-fails-to-consider-indigenous-heritage-4554439
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Let drug dealing, illegal gun toting criminals walk.
Then turn around, over-react, and shoot a 70 year old gunsmith.
Man shot in police incident was gunsmith, neighbour says
“They shot a gunsmith,” Pringle said Thursday. “You have to put that in there. He has guns because he’s a gunsmith. He had a customer with him too. That’s what Rodger has always done. He was a gunsmith. He kept to himself. He was harmless.”
“Those who knew Rodger knew he was as threatening as a toothless puppy or a declawed kitten. This situation causes great concern for all legal firearm owners.”
Donnell said Kotanko had expertise in the care and upkeep of both long arms and handguns. He said Kotanko occasionally did work for members of the Norfolk OPP.
https://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/news/local-news/man-shot-in-police-incident-was-gunsmith-neighbour-says-2
Sheesh!
Nog
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Judge Sides With Gun Owners, Allows Hearings to Fight Trudeau’s May 2020 Attacks
Alberta judge allows Section 74 hearings, says “nullification” of firearm-registration certificates “did not occur by operation of law.”
In the absence of proper process and an express statement that previously issued registration certificates were revoked, and in the absence of any other provision in the Criminal Code or the Firearms Act mandating revocation in these circumstances, the revocation (nullification or invalidation) of the registration certificates did not occur by operation of law.
https://thegunblog.ca/2022/01/21/court-win-judge-sides-with-gun-owners-allows-hearings-to-fight-trudeaus-may-2020-attacks/
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That presents rather interesting news.
The original opportunity to file a Section 74 Challenge came with a government issued edict on the amount of time one could do so following the date OIC was let. Quite restrictive actually, and most affected missed the time period as a consequence. This new Decision reverses that, and now allows any who did not previously file the right to do so if they wish. Already there has been a rush of Section 74 Challenges launched in the short time since this ruled was made. Expect a heck of a lot more, now including mine.
I strongly suggest that if you are affected, you file ASAP. The tide is shifting and the more weight we can collectively put behind that the better chance we might yet prevail.
https://thegunblog.ca/2020/08/11/why-and-how-i-applied-for-a-section-74-hearing-cameronss/
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Cabinet Admits Hunters’ Ban
Cabinet yesterday for the first time acknowledged its national ban on “military style assault weapons” includes hunting rifles. Enforcement of the ban proposed by Emergency Preparedness Minister Bill Blair is now delayed 18 months amid Indigenous complaints and cost overruns: “To misguide and mislead Canadians is disingenuous.”
https://www.blacklocks.ca/cabinet-admits-hunters-ban/
Liberals admit their “military style” gun ban includes hunting and sporting rifles
The Trudeau government has finally confessed that its now-delayed gun ban on so-called “military style assault weapons” also applies to hunting and sporting rifles.
https://tnc.news/2022/03/17/liberals-admit-their-military-style-gun-ban-includes-hunting-and-sporting-rifles/
No creep you say...
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Buckle Up!!
New federal firearms bill will be introduced on Monday: Lametti
Federal Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino will table new firearms legislation on Monday, according to his colleague Justice Minister David Lametti.
On the Monday, May 30 "notice paper" — the document where MPs and ministers signal plans to soon table bills and motions — Mendicino has given notice of a new bill titled "An Act to amend certain Acts and to make certain consequential amendments (firearms)".
www.ctvnews.ca/politics/new-federal-firearms-bill-will-be-introduced-on-monday-lametti-1.5921171
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National handgun ‘freeze’ among new firearm regulations proposed by Ottawa
https://globalnews.ca/news/8879445/ottawa-canada-gun-control-bill/
Text of Bill C 21 is now up: https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-21/first-reading
More pointless virtue signalling restricting honest, law abiding firearms owners. And once again, entirely useless in controlling criminal firearm use. Pathetic.
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Their spew: https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/cntrng-crm/frrms/c21-en.aspx
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Trudeau's new gun law doesn't target gun crime
The only thing the Trudeau Liberals know about guns is how to use them for political advantage.
There is a measure to increase the maximum penalty for gun smuggling and gun trafficking from 10 years to 14 years, which is a good thing, but this same government is lowering sentences for these same offences in another bill. In fact, they are scrapping the mandatory minimum for a number of serious gun crimes in Bill C-5.
Currently, importing a gun illegally carries with it a mandatory minimum of three years on the first offence and a five-year minimum on the second offence. The Trudeau Liberals are scrapping that along with mandatory minimums on using a firearm in commission of a crime, possessing a restricted or prohibited weapon, possession of loaded handgun, possession of weapon obtained through crime, weapons trafficking and using a gun to commit robbery or extortion.
This bill focuses on guns, it focuses on licenced gun owners, but it doesn’t focus on crime. It’s a classic distraction tactic from Trudeau and his government that makes it look like they are doing something to tackle an issue when they aren’t.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeaus-new-gun-law-doesnt-target-gun-crime
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14 top cops and policing experts who doubt the effectiveness of the proposed Liberal gun ban
Police officers and police departments across Canada have voiced their opinions on the Liberal government’s gun bans.
In 2019 the Liberals made a decision to ban “assault-style” rifles and earlier this week, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced a ban on handguns and even further restrictions on law-abiding firearm owners.
Current and former officers have voiced their concerns about Trudeau’s gun bans and its effectiveness in combatting illegal crime.
Here are 14 police officers and policing experts who have gone on record speaking out against the proposed ban, in their own words:
https://tnc.news/2022/06/01/14-top-cops-and-policing-experts-who-doubt-the-effectiveness-of-the-proposed-liberal-gun-ban/
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Canada does not have a ‘gun problem’; we have a ‘crime problem
Dear editor,
Re: June 1 editorial – Gun control a shared issue
What happened at that Texas school was a gut-wrenching tragedy. One of the things that makes it even worse (if such a thing was possible) is when opportunistic politicians and ideologues try to exploit the tragedy and the fragile emotional state of its aftermath in an attempt to thrust forward their agenda. “Never waste a crisis,” they cry.
One of the first obstacles to having a ‘conversation’ about ‘gun control’ (a very broad subject which does not lend itself to finding specific, effective solutions) is that the people crying loudest for gun control are almost all ignorant. Ignorant of the facts – particularly regarding the current, extremely strict laws in Canada.
It’s not my intent to be insulting, it’s just a fact. Legal gun owners in Canada, some of the most vetted citizens, face criminal prosecution if we make even the slightest error related to storage, transportation or paperwork. As such, we make it a point to fully educate ourselves on all those pitfalls so as to avoid jail. In my experience, the average legal gun owner in Canada understands the minefield of Canadian gun law better than the average police officer (unless he/she too is a private, legal gun owner – many are).
Justin Trudeau is just such an opportunistic politician/ideologue. He and his colleagues cannot stand the private ownership of guns and are constantly on the lookout for tragic opportunities to exploit. He did it with the Nova Scotia murders and he’s done it again with the Texas tragedy. He has metaphorically climbed onto the bodies of dead children to manipulate your emotions. It’s absolutely disgusting.
Nothing he announced on May 30 would have any effect on a similar incident nor is any of it even related to that particular horrific event. It’s all just posturing and virtue-signalling – Trudeau’s particular specialty. Naturally, the media gobbles it up and regurgitates it back to its ignorant audience, further misinforming them.
We do not have a ‘gun problem’ in Canada. We have a ‘crime problem’ in which unlicensed criminals misuse illegal handguns in support of their illegal drug trade. How is freezing the legal commerce of handguns going to fix that? It won’t. Contrary to the Black Press editorial, ‘straw purchases’ by licensed gun owners and theft of legal guns only accounts for an extremely minor source of crime guns. It is well known that over 80 per cent of crime guns in Toronto are illegal, smuggled handguns.
I haven’t the space to correct the rest of the misinformation in the editorial but I’ll mention two other misleading statements: a. There has not been 30 x K – 12 ‘school shootings’ so far this year. That figure covers all gun-related activity in the environs of a school. Included in that are incidents not related to a school or on school property. In fact there have only been 13 incidents in the past 60 years that meet the criteria for a ‘school mass shooting.’ (Yes, I agree, one is too many.) And b. The US does not lead the world in murder, gun crime or school shootings. These are facts you can verify and not just parrot the talking points of the anti-gun lobby.
Herein lies a major problem. As long as we are distracted by ever increasing restrictions on the legal gun community, we are wasting time and resources that should be spent on the actual root causes of our crime problem. Yet, following a tragedy, the politicians and media parade out the ‘usual suspects’ of the anti-gun lobby who spew false statistics, half truths and outright lies while giving no time for comment from calm, articulate and factual speakers like Rod Giltaca of the CCFR. We can’t have that valuable ‘discussion’ if one side ignores all the facts and screams at the other side.
So why does Trudeau keep attacking legal gun owners? Simple. Because he can get away with it. Removing guns from private ownership is a pillar/cornerstone of leftist ideology. It has been for over 50 years. Trudeau is determined to pursue that ideology regardless of public safety or the actual facts. His main aim, however, is not to sacrifice any power in the pursuit of that ideology.
Enter 2.25 million licensed gun owners. We are lost to him. We will never vote for his party so we don’t matter. He can toy with us as he wishes and appear to be ‘doing something’ when actually he is doing nothing meaningful. All while never losing a single vote. He gains votes among the ill-informed general public and boasts about it in his party’s re-election propaganda.
Remember, more criminals vote liberal than legal gun owners. So, rather than go after actual criminals in a full court press, he wastes resources and tax dollars attacking a safe minority group. This clouds the real issues and nothing of any efficacy gets done.
Finally, to all those who cry, “why does anyone need a (insert handgun, semi-auto rifle etc). Much of the private property we own in Canada is not needed. Why does each household need more that one car? Particularly when cars kill more than 10 times the people than guns (suicides account for more than 60% of all gun-related deaths). A killer in Toronto murdered 10 people using a white van (5 times more victims than those shot and killed on Danforth). Where are the cries to ban ‘assault vans’? Why do we need motorcycles that can exceed 200kms/hr? What’s the fascination with ‘scary’ dog breeds that intimidate pedestrians and attack children?
‘Need’ has nothing to do with it. If, in pursuit of ideology, politicians decide, on a whim and contrary to all logic and facts, to outlaw the legally-obtained private property of citizens who have done no wrong, the onus is on them to prove their case. They have failed to do so. So what’s next? Ban antique cars in the name of climate change? Ban the aforementioned ‘scary’ dog breeds? Why not? Most of the rifles on his banned list from 2020 have never been used in a crime and are only on the list because they are ‘scary-looking.’
D.J. Vernon,
Comox
https://www.comoxvalleyrecord.com/opinion/letter-canada-does-not-have-a-gun-problem-we-have-a-crime-problem/amp/
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RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki tried to ‘jeopardize’ mass murder investigation to advance Trudeau’s gun control efforts
RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki “made a promise” to Public Safety Minister Bill Blair and the Prime Minister’s Office to leverage the mass murders of April 18/19, 2020 to get a gun control law passed.
Shortly after the news conference Campbell, Asst. Commander Lee Bergerman, Leather, and Nova Scotia Communications director Lia Scanlan were summoned to a meeting. RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki and a deputy from Ottawa were on the conference call. Lucki was not happy.
The Commissioner said she had promised the Minister of Public Safety and the Prime Minister’s Office that the RCMP (we) would release this information. I tried to explain there was no intent to disrespect anyone however we could not release this information at this time. The Commissioner then said that we didn’t understand, that this was tied to pending gun control legislation that would make officers and the public safer. She was very upset and at one point Deputy Commissioner (Brian) Brennan tried to get things calmed down but that had little effect. Some in the room were reduced to tears and emotional over this belittling reprimand.
https://www.halifaxexaminer.ca/featured/rcmp-commissioner-brenda-lucki-tried-to-jeopardize-mass-murder-investigation-to-advance-trudeaus-gun-control-efforts/
She should be immediately fired.
Nog
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Trudeau interfered with RCMP in Nova Scotia shooting
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau used the mass shooting in Nova Scotia to advance his political goals, and interfered in an active police investigation to do it.
The report, released Tuesday by the public inquiry into the mass shooting that took place in Nova Scotia on April 18-19, 2020, paints a grim picture.
It shows a national police force that is in disarray and clearly prone to political interference — something that should never happen.
Scanlan, in an interview with the inquiry, backed up what was in Campbell’s notes and said that Trudeau and then-public safety minister Bill Blair were interfering, “weighing in on what we could and couldn’t say.”
The killer in the Nova Scotia massacre did use an AR-15, but had purchased it illegally, after it was smuggled in from the United States.
He was not allowed to own guns in Canada, and had been under a previous court order ban on possessing guns. He had also been reported by neighbours to the RCMP, but they never acted until it was too late.
The massacre in Portapique was preventable if people had done their jobs properly. They didn’t and that is what the inquiry should be mainly focused on.
torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-interfered-with-rcmp-in-nova-scotia-shooting-says-report
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Liberal interference on the shooting probe is part of a familiar pattern
Who does not believe the Liberals would seek to exploit the worst mass shooting in modern Canadian history to advance their agenda on gun control? That sort of thing is in their DNA.
Pressing police to release details of a criminal investigation in order to further the government’s agenda is entirely in keeping with this Prime Minister’s behaviour.
Then there is the politics of gun control.
The Liberals love to use the issue as a cudgel against the Conservative Party. Many Conservatives believe citizens should have the right to use guns for hunting, to protect livestock, and for recreational shooting. They point out that the handguns used in crimes are almost always acquired illegally.
But urban voters fear both handguns and long guns. They support increased restrictions. So the Liberals often deploy gun control as a wedge issue against the Conservatives, as they did successfully in last year’s federal election.
Pushing the RCMP commissioner to get investigators to release the list of guns used in a crime in order to juice a new announcement on gun control is exactly the sort of thing you would expect this government to do.
The Liberals love to exploit the news of the day to further their agenda. Following word that the U.S. Supreme Court was preparing to overturn Roe v. Wade, which protects abortion rights, they announced increased funding for abortion services.
To sum up: It is entirely consistent with this Liberal government’s disregard for proper procedure and its eagerness to exploit the news of the day for the Prime Minister’s Office to push for the release of the kinds of guns used in a major crime. It wouldn’t bother anyone in that office in the least.
www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-liberal-interference-on-the-shooting-probe-is-part-of-a-familiar/
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Bill Blair & Trudeau are doubling down on the denials.
At the same time, Senior (retired) RCMP are weighing in with support for the RCMP Inspector that filed the initial report - collaborating what was stated.
An emergency meeting of a standing Parliamentary Committee is being called, despite the objections from the lieberal chair. It is expected the Committee will call all of the principles to testify.
I fully expect Trudeau to employ his standard practice, and toss the lady under the bus as swiftly as is possible.
Answer for it?
Hardly...
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Long-gun magazine restrictions expected
The federal government says it will bring forward further restrictions on long-gun magazines that could impact many hunting firearms, although they are not included in the reintroduced Bill C-21.
The original Bill C-21 introduced in 2021 ordered a buyback of what the government calls “assault style rifles” and made it a criminal offence to increase any magazine’s capacity beyond what is currently lawful. That bill was reintroduced this past May in the wake of a US school shooting with, among other things, the federal government adding a freeze on handgun sales.
This was accompanied by signalling from Public Safety Canada that “the permanent alteration of long-gun magazines so that they can never hold more than five rounds and prohibit the sale and transfer of magazines capable of holding more than the legal number of bullets” is coming.
Previous magazine capacity restrictions only applied to centrefire semi-automatics.
Hunters affected
“This bill is yet another example of the federal government missing the mark when creating new firearms legislation,” Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters (OFAH) Senior Advisor, Community and Partner Relations, Brian McRae, said. “More legislation that targets legal firearms owners does absolutely nothing to address the core issues around crime and the real problems that lead to gun violence in Canada. This legislation will have no effect whatsoever on crime in this country. The wrong people are once again getting caught up in this.”
He is especially concerned regarding the impacts on hunters. “You’re seeing coast-to-coast mainstream media headings about how the proposal focuses on the buying, selling, and transferring of handguns, but if you dig a little deeper, you’ll find many other aspects and measures within the bill that have other implications which are worrisome for our membership and the greater firearms community,” McRae said.
His fear is that the magazine restrictions could come soon through regulations that may not come before Parliament.
“With this bill comes a very strong signal from government, that additional regulations will be coming, and probably sooner than later,” McRae said. “The government has indicated their intention to implement measures that will severely impact long guns with a requirement to permanently alter all long-gun mags so that they can never again hold more than five rounds. This would have massive implications for the hunting and recreational shooting community.”
For instance, the minimum magazine capacity of a current Winchester Model 94 lever action .30- 30 is six, and most models hold seven cartridges. Most .22 rimfire guns of all actions also hold more than five.
https://oodmag.com/long-gun-magazine-restrictions-expected/
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The Canadian Taxpayers Association was quietly informed that the Trudeau government is fighting to block their intervener status in an upcoming related court case:
It took two years for the federal government to respond to our original court filing and argue our “motions to intervene should be dismissed.”
They of course are fighting back.
They have also released a a guide called The Truth Behind Justin Trudeau's Gun Ban and Buyback. You can get a free copy by clicking this LINK:
https://www.taxpayer.com/-/The_Truth_Behind_Trudeaus_Gun_Ban_and_Buyback
Cheers
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The New Gun Bill - Everything You Need To Know
However, in terms of broad, reaching legislation, the last component the new Bill C-21 includes is a reference to future regulations coming in the future to limit all long gun magazines so that they can never hold more than five rounds, and prohibiting the sale and transfer of all magazines capable of holding more than the legal number of bullets. When asked to clarify if that would be restricted to semi-automatic firearms, with the example given that the Lee Enfield holds 10-rounds, senior government officials stipulated that the government is currently looking to limit all long gun magazines regardless of action or calibre.
https://calibremag.ca/the-new-gun-bill-everything-you-need-to-know/
LUDICROUS!
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Regarding the RCMP Commissioner and her behavior, she, Blair, Campbell and others testified this morning in front of the Public Safety Committee. It was a very interesting exchange, and is now leading to another hearing. Due to his direct involvement, Conservative Members of the Committee requested Minister Lametti be forced to testify. Of course the lieberal members resisted that in furious form, but did accept his senior staff be brought in to testify. The next one should be as interesting as this one was:
https://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2/20220721/-1/37451
No matter how you slice it, the Commissioner is obviously guilty. Which means the lieberals most likely are as well.
Sad