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Title: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: chris gadsden on July 31, 2010, 08:55:29 PM
I was told that there will be a recreational sockeye opening on the Fraser starting on Tuesday but trying to conform that most of the day I could not. I also heard it opens instead on Friday.

Rumours ?


Either way I will flee the Fraser to some other flow I can not stomach the mayhem it causes.

I had asked FOC if they do open it to please give those that angle for them in a fair manner to open the Harrison River like they did a few years ago as it was a great fishery float fishing them with krill of ghost shrimp but leave the rapids area closed as it was notorious for snagging.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: gman on July 31, 2010, 09:07:42 PM
There were lots of boats netting the Fraser near Richmond today - I could see 10 or so from one spot. Looked like a larger native opening. Usually they have a bigi native opening just before the first sport opening.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: Jaws on July 31, 2010, 09:34:23 PM
Same in the Fort Langley area....lots of boats. DFO was checking every boat with nets.  On an unrelated note, why are there signs in the neighbourhood with phone numbers advertising salmon?????????
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: chris gadsden on July 31, 2010, 09:43:30 PM
Same in the Fort Langley area....lots of boats. DFO was checking every boat with nets.  On an unrelated note, why are there signs in the neighbourhood with phone numbers advertising salmon?????????
Seeing that I donot fish for them maybe I should buy some down your way but that should be illegal too. :D
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: barnun on July 31, 2010, 09:54:04 PM
glad i will be in mexico next week!  ;D
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: alwaysfishn on August 01, 2010, 07:30:12 AM

I had asked FOC if they do open it to please give those that angle for them in a fair manner to open the Harrison River like they did a few years ago as it was a great fishery float fishing them with krill of ghost shrimp but leave the rapids area closed as it was notorious for snagging.

Why don't they allow it anymore?
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: Robert_G on August 01, 2010, 02:19:38 PM
glad i will be in mexico next week!  ;D

Why on earth would anyone who lives here take a vacation to Mexico this time of the year? You've got 7 months here where it does nothing but rain and is damp out.
Why go now?
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: Jaws on August 01, 2010, 02:44:17 PM
Exerpt from:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=126336&ID=all (http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=126336&ID=all)

There are no directed recreational and commercial fisheries for Fraser River
sockeye at the present time. Fisheries are possible next week and all groups
should monitor next Tuesday's update.  Retention of Fraser River sockeye in
marine and lower Fraser areas in First Nations FSC fisheries is now permitted
as the window closure restriction to protect Early Stuart sockeye and the early
component of the Early Summer run stocks in these areas has passed. Window
closure restrictions are still in effect in portions of the BC Interior area at
this time. Refer to the 2010 Southern B.C. Salmon IFMP for details on the
timing dates for these closures.

The next Fraser River Panel meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, August 3rd.  A
further update will be provided on this date.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: liketofish on August 01, 2010, 06:56:57 PM
I'll say forget about buying the license just for sockeye fishery. DFO let the natives and the net fleets to vacuum suck the river first, then give you guys an opening so tons of licenses will be sold, and you will be fishing a river void of fish except those smallies which have net marks. That is if you are lucky to catch anything. Also, if the last opening 2 years ago is any lesson to learn, it may be shut down in days. Don't waste money on this fishery.  If you also fish for other species, then take this opening as a bonus.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: chris gadsden on August 01, 2010, 09:58:17 PM
Why don't they allow it anymore?
Too much flossing in the rapid's area and some were upright snagging them as the sockeye were in large schools waiting to move into their spawning areas.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: buck on August 02, 2010, 04:00:46 PM
Chris

That was a great fishery a the mouth of the Harrison. I wonder if they would entertain an opening from the mouth to the train bridge. Closed upstream of that point. That would at least eliminate non
ethical fishing methods. It would be great to see that float go down.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: chris gadsden on August 02, 2010, 04:20:39 PM
Chris

That was a great fishery a the mouth of the Harrison. I wonder if they would entertain an opening from the mouth to the train bridge. Closed upstream of that point. That would at least eliminate non
ethical fishing methods. It would be great to see that float go down.
I sent an e mail to Deb on that and Nick also talked to her, would not hurt if you sent her a note too.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: chris gadsden on August 02, 2010, 05:09:06 PM
Now I hear it will be a Friday opening, stay tuned.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: Rodney on August 02, 2010, 05:15:29 PM
Told you. ;D
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: chris gadsden on August 02, 2010, 05:18:40 PM
Told you. ;D
Wrong info from The Master, don't blame me. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: HOOK on August 02, 2010, 09:06:30 PM
how many days does the rumor say it will be open for ???
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: FISHIN MAGICIAN on August 02, 2010, 09:24:42 PM
In my opinion, flossing should be outlawed. I met and talked to a group of 6 people yesterday who were staying at Fraser River Lodge. Their guides were all flossing to get them into fish. They were hooking and releasing many sockeye. It's pretty sad when a lodge has to floss to get their guests into fish.   :o
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: Fish Assassin on August 02, 2010, 09:25:37 PM
Guess that would depend on the run and the civility of the fishermen
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: chris gadsden on August 02, 2010, 09:31:21 PM
how many days does the rumor say it will be open for ???
One day too many. ;D
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: chris gadsden on August 02, 2010, 09:34:23 PM
In my opinion, flossing should be outlawed. I met and talked to a group of 6 people yesterday who were staying at Fraser River Lodge. Their guides were all flossing to get them into fish. They were hooking and releasing many sockeye. It's pretty sad when a lodge has to floss to get their guests into fish.   :o
Very sad but they are bringing on their own death knell, short time gain long time loss but we will suffer too. We saw the beginning of it this season. ::)
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: Jaws on August 02, 2010, 10:53:56 PM
Folks, I don't get this argument about flossing or the resentment people have about it ..... it doesn't make sense and is a waste of time.  It's NOT the fishing method that should be scrutinized .....nets, barbless hooks, spears, shopping carts, dynamite, etc (well maybe not the latter); it's the number of fish that need to be preserved.  How different is bottom bouncing from netting a fish?  Yes, I get it, flossing is not 'the fine art of fishing' or doesn't even come close to the tenacity of fly fishing. 

On the other hand, isn't fishing about out-witting the fish and getting it out of the water?  Hence, if one wants to make a logical argument and bring "ethics" (good vs bad) into this discussion, I think bottom bouncing is as good or as bad as any of the other fishing methods.   

Back to the real issue here - the number of sockeyes.  If there are not enough, close the darn fisheries and go after those who fish for sockeyes.  If there are enough, allow people to fish for them.  If you want to protect them, ban bottom bouncing.....period.  Don't ask fishermen not to bottom bounce - ban it! 

Sometimes, I wish fish were smarter than us.  In the meantime, tight lines and follow the rules ....EVERYONE who lives here.

 
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: BBarley on August 03, 2010, 01:38:45 AM
Honestly, it's kind of sad.

One species of fish gets sooooooooooo much attention, and why, because it has some dark red flesh, and spawns by the millions most years.

Speaking from one who was raised on the Skeena River, I love when the sockeye stocks crash, because the commercial fishermen don't get openings, and hundreds of nets stay on the rollers instead of in the water, taking everything headed upstream.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: dereke on August 03, 2010, 07:26:02 AM
Folks, I don't get this argument about flossing or the resentment people have about it ..... it doesn't make sense and is a waste of time.  It's NOT the fishing method that should be scrutinized .....nets, barbless hooks, spears, shopping carts, dynamite, etc (well maybe not the latter); it's the number of fish that need to be preserved.  How different is bottom bouncing from netting a fish?  Yes, I get it, flossing is not 'the fine art of fishing' or doesn't even come close to the tenacity of fly fishing. 

On the other hand, isn't fishing about out-witting the fish and getting it out of the water?  Hence, if one wants to make a logical argument and bring "ethics" (good vs bad) into this discussion, I think bottom bouncing is as good or as bad as any of the other fishing methods.   

Back to the real issue here - the number of sockeyes.  If there are not enough, close the darn fisheries and go after those who fish for sockeyes.  If there are enough, allow people to fish for them.  If you want to protect them, ban bottom bouncing.....period.  Don't ask fishermen not to bottom bounce - ban it! 

Sometimes, I wish fish were smarter than us.  In the meantime, tight lines and follow the rules ....EVERYONE who lives here.

 

 Could not agree more with your post Jaws..... The infighting amongst us is counter productive.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: glog on August 03, 2010, 08:19:44 AM
Here. Here well said.

Its always the elitists that try and ram their ideas down everyones elses throat.
Bottom bouncing is a form of fishing and takes a lot more work than sitting in a deck chair waiting for some stupid bell to go off.


Yes its not sports fishing its a form of harvesting for the table which is perfectly legal.

Go after the real problem, the nets.  Natives can have all the openings the want just let them bottom bounce for the salmon like everyone else.

Get rid off the NETS on the Fraser and the story would be over.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: purple monster on August 03, 2010, 08:28:32 AM
is the river area from the fraser river
 up to the train bridge part of the Fraser river  or of the Harrison river???
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: SMOLT333 on August 03, 2010, 08:55:44 AM
Excellent post Jaws , fully agree with you
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: alwaysfishn on August 03, 2010, 09:00:57 AM

Bottom bouncing is a form of fishing and takes a lot more work than sitting in a deck chair waiting for some stupid bell to go off.


Hey, hey, easy now.......   I love it when that stupid bell goes off!!    ;D
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: alwaysfishn on August 03, 2010, 09:01:33 AM
is the river area from the fraser river
 up to the train bridge part of the Fraser river  or of the Harrison river???

The Harrison.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: TrophyHunter on August 03, 2010, 09:07:25 AM
Why on earth would anyone who lives here take a vacation to Mexico this time of the year? You've got 7 months here where it does nothing but rain and is damp out.
Why go now?

Because this is the Off season in Mexico and the trips are cheap !!!! I was just down there a couple of weeks ago and had a fantastic time !! anytime is a good time to get away and enjoy the tropics !!
my two cents
Rick
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: andychan on August 03, 2010, 09:26:01 AM
So I guess the rumour was bogus for an opening today.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: liketofish on August 03, 2010, 01:37:52 PM
Here. Here well said.

Its always the elitists that try and ram their ideas down everyones elses throat.
Bottom bouncing is a form of fishing and takes a lot more work than sitting in a deck chair waiting for some stupid bell to go off.


Yes its not sports fishing its a form of harvesting for the table which is perfectly legal.

Go after the real problem, the nets.  Natives can have all the openings the want just let them bottom bounce for the salmon like everyone else.

Get rid off the NETS on the Fraser and the story would be over.

Well said. If somebody here really cares about the fish, the focus should be the nets. How can any one with intelligence think that sporties' accidental hook up of sockeye (with its low mortality rate) can ruin the sockeye run? It is the NETS. Focus your effort on the NETS and not clobber up your fellow fishermen.

To add to Jaws point, don't just ban bottom bouncing when the stock is low. Ban bar fishing too as it is proven that it can hook sockeyes too. But the real deal is - ban the NETS.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: lovetofish on August 03, 2010, 03:38:08 PM
Here. Here well said.

Its always the elitists that try and ram their ideas down everyones elses throat.
Bottom bouncing is a form of fishing and takes a lot more work than sitting in a deck chair waiting for some stupid bell to go off.


Yes its not sports fishing its a form of harvesting for the table which is perfectly legal.

Go after the real problem, the nets.  Natives can have all the openings the want just let them bottom bounce for the salmon like everyone else.

Get rid off the NETS on the Fraser and the story would be over.

I tend to agree with you Glog, but when I am feeling lazy I don't mind bar fishing. One thing though, It is a lot more of a challenge to land a spring bottom bouncing, than with the bar rod and a pound of lead hanging off his face.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: roeman on August 03, 2010, 04:43:04 PM
All you people that complain about flossing and think you are a better person because you don't get into it, and complain about how busy the river gets, move away...  I bet you did floss at one time, you evolved to a different type of fishing.  Big deal, It is legal right now, if shooting some idiot that drove out in front of me and cut me off was legal I would pull the trigger.
Talked to a couple of FN at the Mission boat launch at 1130am on Saturday and they were putting sockeye into the back of a pickup.
I counted about 175 fish.  That was one 12' boat with a small net and only two people..   Times that by the number of nets on the entire Fraser, lets say for math purposes 100 nets...  That would mean between 15000 and 20000 dead sockey by noon on one day...  I will floss my 8 - 10 sockeye for the year every chance I get.... You  preachers out there don't like it I don't really care...
Lets go flossing....
 
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: bbronswyk2000 on August 03, 2010, 04:54:50 PM
All you people that complain about flossing and think you are a better person because you don't get into it, and complain about how busy the river gets, move away...  I bet you did floss at one time, you evolved to a different type of fishing.  Big deal, It is legal right now, if shooting some idiot that drove out in front of me and cut me off was legal I would pull the trigger.
Talked to a couple of FN at the Mission boat launch at 1130am on Saturday and they were putting sockeye into the back of a pickup.
I counted about 175 fish.  That was one 12' boat with a small net and only two people..   Times that by the number of nets on the entire Fraser, lets say for math purposes 100 nets...  That would mean between 15000 and 20000 dead sockey by noon on one day...  I will floss my 8 - 10 sockeye for the year every chance I get.... You  preachers out there don't like it I don't really care...
Lets go flossing....
 


You have anger issues. I could care less if someone flosses but something like that is disturbing......
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: speycaster on August 03, 2010, 05:01:19 PM
Why are you worried about that Bobo, there are far more people than sockeye. We can afford to rid the planet of 5 or 6 billion humans, we breed like fruit flies without the benefits that fruit flies provide. ;D
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: roeman on August 03, 2010, 05:16:10 PM
You have anger issues. I could care less if someone flosses but something like that is disturbing......
It was meant as a joke, taking things to the extreme bobo
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: Rodney on August 03, 2010, 05:21:34 PM
Note that the bolded paragraph is for openings in tidal waters. Opening in the Non-tidal portion of Fraser River will take place a day or two later.

http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=126386&ID=recreational

The Fraser River Panel met today to review stock assessment data on the Fraser River sockeye runs, discuss fishery planning, and receive an update regarding migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed. Test fishing catches in the marine assessment areas have been fluctuating recently but have generally been good for this time of year. The diversion rate of Fraser sockeye through Johnstone Strait is currently estimated to be approximately 50%. There has been a strong migration of sockeye observed at Hells Gate and the fish have been reported to be in good condition over the past week.

The abundance of Early Summer-run sockeye currently migrating through the marine approach areas is tracking above expectations and later than expected. For management purposes, the Panel has adopted a provisional run size estimate of 950,000 Early Summer-run sockeye. The estimated escapement of Early Summer-run sockeye past Mission through August 2 is 423,000 fish.

Based on the observed migration of Summer-run sockeye through the marine approach routes to-date, assessments of abundance are less than expected if their arrival timing is similar to pre-season expectations. Based on later run timing for Early Stuart and Early Summer runs, Summer-run stocks may be migrating later than expected but it is too early to confirm run size. Proportions of Summer run stocks are approximately 30-40% of marine test fisheries catches. The estimated escapement of Summer-run sockeye past Mission through August 2 is 218,000 fish.

The Late-run sockeye forecast range is 5 million to 12 million with a mid-point estimate of 8 million fish (Late Shuswap, Cultus, Portage, Harrison, Weaver, and Birkenhead stocks). Late-run sockeye returns are forecast to originate primarily from the Late Shuswap stock group. The expected 50% migration timing of Late-run sockeye through Area 20 is approximately mid August. For management purposes, the Panel adopted a provisional run size estimate of 400,000 Harrison sockeye at the meeting today. In recent years, Harrison sockeye have exhibited earlier marine timing than other Late-run sockeye stocks.  Assessments of Late-run sockeye timing, abundance, delay in the lower Strait of Georgia and in-river entry behaviour will be conducted over the next several weeks. The estimated escapement of Late-run sockeye past Mission through August 2 is 247,000 fish, most of which are Harrison.

On August 2 the discharge of the Fraser River at Hope was about 3,280 cms, which is 23% below average for this date. The temperature of the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on August 2 was 18.8 0C, which is 1.2 0C above average for this date. The temperatures are much less than had been forecast on Friday. Temperatures are forecast to rise to 20C then drop back to 18.6C by August 11th. Sustained water temperatures in this range can cause severe stress to migrating sockeye and may lead to substantial en route mortality. Migration conditions for Fraser sockeye will be monitored closely over the next several weeks and appropriate management actions will be taken. Management adjustments are employed to help achieve spawning escapement targets for Fraser River sockeye.
      
The following fisheries are planned:

Licence Area B seine will open daily from 6 AM to 9PM on Thursday, August 5, and Friday, August 6, in portions of Management Area 12 and 13. Check separate Fishery Notice for further details.

Licence Area D gill net will open 6 AM to 3PM in portions of Management Areas 11, 12 and 13. Check separate fishery notice for further details.

Area E gill net remains closed at this time, next update regarding potential opportunities will be Friday, August 6.

Area H troll remains closed at this time at the recommendation of the Area H Harvest Committee, next update regarding potential opportunities will be Friday, August 6.

South Coast marine areas, including the tidal portion of the Fraser River, recreational fisheries will open beginning Thursday, August 5. Check separate fishery notices for further details.

First Nation food, social and ceremonial fisheries vary by areas with opportunities in marine areas, lower Fraser and portions of the BC interior area, consult with local DFO offices for openings. Window closure restrictions are still in effect in portions of the BC Interior area at this time. Refer to the 2010 Southern B.C. Salmon IFMP for details on the timing dates for these closures.

The next Fraser River Panel meeting is scheduled for Friday, August 6th.  A further update will be provided on this date.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: liketofish on August 03, 2010, 05:28:30 PM
Now the license sales will be on fire, and so are the betties.  ;D You bet the DFO license sales server will go down with heavy traffic.  ;D
The tackle stores and fish guides as well as bouncers are all  :D :D :D
But the anti-bouncing gangs are ..... >:( :(
Such is life. Gain some, lose some. Heehaw!  Let's get ready for the meat or harvest fishery (or whatever u call it), and hopefully it will be longer than one weekend fishing.  ;D
Judging from the last bouncing trip a few days ago, those socx this year are large and beautiful fish, strong and awesome fighers. Despite what the anti group say, they are good biters too this time of the year(yes, I had 3 fish in a row biting the wool with hooks all inside the mouth,one even swallow it down the throat, you just need to slow down the swing towards the end and slowly feed some line to slow down the presentation, as the water is clear enough for them to see). Have fun guys. ;)
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: Rantalot on August 03, 2010, 10:21:34 PM
Its harder to get them below the bridge,so watch DFO will not open it above:)
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: dennyman on August 03, 2010, 10:58:00 PM
Hmm...can they make it any clearer. That notice was about as clear as mud. For those that really want a sockeye, then you are going to have to fish the tidal water section of the Fraser. And if you don't have one,  I would not buy the tidal license till the opening becomes official.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: bbronswyk2000 on August 04, 2010, 05:49:08 AM
It was meant as a joke, taking things to the extreme bobo

I know it was I was just adding fuel to the fire. Seriously though on those bars where the "fun" will take place their will be guys with those types of anger issues ;)
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: oddjob on August 04, 2010, 09:29:47 AM
Am I right to believe that the sockeye opening on thursday is for tidal only .Where does it say when it will be open for non tidal ? I have read the notice several times and have come up with the same question ,could someone please clarify with for me .
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: Easywater on August 04, 2010, 10:06:55 AM
Looks like an upcoming notice for tidal Fraser only.

There will be another notice released (probably Friday) outlining the tidal opening (dates, limits, etc).

We may also get a non-tidal opening sometime in the near future but it doesn't look like this week.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: tworivers on August 04, 2010, 10:46:30 AM
As Rodney noted above...
"Note that the bolded paragraph is for openings in tidal waters. Opening in the Non-tidal portion of Fraser River will take place a day or two later."
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: Rodney on August 04, 2010, 10:53:09 AM
southern BC marine sockeye salmon openings:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=126425&ID=recreational

Fraser River mouth and Tidal Fraser river sockeye salmon openings:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=126429&ID=recreational
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: devon42 on August 04, 2010, 11:47:54 AM
i dont know if its just me but those links didn't work
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: ejeffrey on August 04, 2010, 11:59:44 AM
Same for me.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: BCfisherman97 on August 04, 2010, 12:04:28 PM
i dont know if its just me but those links didn't work

http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/index.html
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: DavidD on August 04, 2010, 12:17:19 PM
Tis because the links have some extra character at the beginning (http://%22).

The other posted by BCFisherman97 work fine...
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: BwiBwi on August 04, 2010, 12:32:55 PM
Looks like Rodney is rushing out to fish.   ;D  Getting sloppy  ;)
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: Rodney on August 04, 2010, 03:12:04 PM
Links fixed.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: lovetofish on August 04, 2010, 07:32:03 PM
Can anyone explain why the limit in the tidal portion of the Fraser River is four sockeye, yet if the river is opened for sockeye retention above the Mission bridge, the limit is only two?
Below the vedder there is no way to know if you are catching a Cultus lake bound sockeye or not. Above the Vedder at least you are not likely to be catching these fish.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: Rodney on August 04, 2010, 09:08:49 PM
Can anyone explain why the limit in the tidal portion of the Fraser River is four sockeye, yet if the river is opened for sockeye retention above the Mission bridge, the limit is only two?
Below the vedder there is no way to know if you are catching a Cultus lake bound sockeye or not. Above the Vedder at least you are not likely to be catching these fish.


Number of angling rod hours. Recreational fishing pressure is significantly lower in the tidal portion of Fraser River and Southern BC marine waters due to the fact that a boat is required for most of the fishing.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: kosanin kosher salt on August 04, 2010, 09:48:32 PM
how can you catch a sockeye in the tidal portion of fraser river?
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: BBarley on August 04, 2010, 10:20:04 PM
how can you catch a sockeye in the tidal portion of fraser river?

Just go downstream of the million nets in the river and wait for a dead one to float by, then slip a hook in it's mouth and game on!
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: canso on August 04, 2010, 10:21:08 PM
how can you catch a sockeye in the tidal portion of fraser river?

same as pink fishing.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: alwaysfishn on August 05, 2010, 08:03:45 AM
Just go downstream of the million nets in the river and wait for a dead one to float by, then slip a hook in it's mouth and game on!

If you use a long leader, you can brag to all your friends that you "flossed" it!    ;D
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: lovetofish on August 05, 2010, 09:13:17 AM
Thanks Rodney.
 Is it the same reasoning for the coho fishing in the salt water, where unmarked fish may be kept as well as hatchery fish?
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: Gooey on August 05, 2010, 10:33:50 AM
read the regs lovetofish - hatchery sockeye must be released.

PS - we used to troll the tidal areas of the fraser (around the mouth) for socks and when you found the shool they would bite hard.  little pink and orange hotchies.  this opening is really a marine opening.  guys that run boats dump a lot into the economy with gas and tackle, it also allows charter boats to do more bookings so I think the 4 fish limit is an incentive to drive that sector and I think its a good idea.  when we trolled out there we nver saw near the pressure you would see on a single average fraser river bar.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: Rodney on August 05, 2010, 10:41:33 AM
In some saltwater areas, unmarked/wild coho can indeed be kept. For example:

http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=124811&ID=recreational

In most Southern BC marine waters where most coho salmon are Fraser River bound, only hatchery marked coho salmon are permitted to be kept. The difference in management measures is due to the natal streams where those coho salmon that you are targeting are coming from.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: lovetofish on August 05, 2010, 02:21:20 PM
read the regs lovetofish - hatchery sockeye must be released.

PS - we used to troll the tidal areas of the fraser (around the mouth) for socks and when you found the shool they would bite hard.  little pink and orange hotchies.  this opening is really a marine opening.  guys that run boats dump a lot into the economy with gas and tackle, it also allows charter boats to do more bookings so I think the 4 fish limit is an incentive to drive that sector and I think its a good idea.  when we trolled out there we nver saw near the pressure you would see on a single average fraser river bar.
Gooey, Thanks for that. I have never had the chance to fish salt water, so the tidal regs are foreign to me.  I guess the Mission bridge is just the tidal boundary, and really not many fish are caught in this portion of the river, so these limits are tuned more for the salt where most of the fishing pressure is.
 I have just seen clips of tidal regs and I am not familiar with the different tidal areas, hence my question about coho.
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: liketofish on August 05, 2010, 03:26:43 PM
Like anywhere else, it is the 'rich' vs the 'poor', and the rich gets to play while the poor stays home or the rich enjoys their private beaches of their own island while the poor gets jammed up in popular public beaches..  ;D Geez, I thought Canada is much more advanced than some banana republics or Asian countries.

But in this case, why the 'rich' gets to play first  ???  ;D
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: Rodney on August 05, 2010, 03:40:36 PM
Gooey, Thanks for that. I have never had the chance to fish salt water, so the tidal regs are foreign to me.  I guess the Mission bridge is just the tidal boundary, and really not many fish are caught in this portion of the river, so these limits are tuned more for the salt where most of the fishing pressure is.
 I have just seen clips of tidal regs and I am not familiar with the different tidal areas, hence my question about coho.

Fishing opportunities in the tidal portion of the Fraser River are pretty readily available, most anglers are just not aware of it. The other fact is success rate. Because non-tidal portion of the Fraser River and its tributaries is much narrower, your chance of encountering a fish is significantly higher than fishing from shore between Steveston and Mission. For example, when fishing for coho salmon in the Chilliwack River on an October day, you may encounter several fish during one outing. On the other hand, when fishing around Steveston, encountering one fish would be considered a good day. This factor tends to discourage or turn anglers off, which is great for those who are keen to expend the time down here to catch a fish because crowding is never an issue.

Anyway, back to the daily quota differences. Many factors are involved when determining it as mentioned in my previous post. The run size/escapement requirement, number of angling hours, harvest rate, interception of vulnerable species that may mix in with species that are permitted for fishing, etc are just some of the factors. In the case of wild coho salmon in Southern BC, retention is not permitted because the stocks are not sustainable for it. To counter this problem while satisfying recreational fishermen's needs, hatchery raised stocks are used to supplement the fishery.

Like anywhere else, it is the 'rich' vs the 'poor', and the rich gets to play while the poor stays home or the rich enjoys their private beaches of their own island while the poor gets jammed up in popular public beaches..  ;D Geez, I thought Canada is much more advanced than some banana republics or Asian countries.

But in this case, why the 'rich' gets to play first  ???  ;D

::)
Title: Re: Sockeye Opening Tuesday?
Post by: Rodney on August 06, 2010, 03:24:13 PM
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=126546&ID=recreational

The current status of the Fraser River sockeye return provides for recreational sockeye retention opportunities in the non-tidal waters of the Fraser River in Region 2.

Effective one hour before sunrise Monday, August 9, 2010 until further notice, in those waters of the Fraser River in Region 2 (non-tidal Fraser River) retention of sockeye is permitted with a daily limit of two (2) per day.

Further to FN0569 a sockeye hook and release mortality study will be operating on Grassy Bar on August 9 to 13, 16 to 20 and 23 to 27.  A component of this study is to catch sockeye by beach seine.  Operating a beach seine effectively uses a significant portion of the bar and anglers/vessels cannot be in the area. On the following dates a significant portion of Grassy Bar will be utilized by the study for the beach seine component and be unavailable for recreational angling: August 12, 17, 19 and 26.  The Department requests your cooperation with making alternate fishing arrangements on these dates.

Notes:
Anglers are requested to release any hatchery marked sockeye.  These fish are hatchery raised sockeye and part of a recovery program designed to increase the numbers of Cultus Lake sockeye.

Sport anglers are encouraged to participate in the voluntary Salmon Sport Head Recovery program by labelling and submitting heads from adipose fin-clipped chinook and coho salmon.  Recovery of coded-wire tags provides critical information for coast-wide stock assessment.  Contact the Salmon Sport Head Recovery Program at (866) 483-9994 for further information.

Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation?  If so, please call the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line at (800) 465-4336.

For the 24 hour recorded opening and closure line, call toll free at (866) 431-FISH.

Variation Order No. 2010-332.

FOR MORE INFORMATION:

For more information contact the local DFO office in your area for updated information as it becomes available.