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[avid angler]

Cultas lake sockeye are already gone.   They won’t come back.   How many returned this year that they counted.  60 fish.   Anyways………….   Keep up the rants.   Bass will eat their own

Cultus sockeye haven’t even started to return.

[danielk]

I thought a few have already.  they mentioned it last DFO fishing opening report.   Unless I miss read. Totally possible haha.  But still it’s sad.  We used to see them all the time years and years ago on the boat.    Anyways I don’t want to sidetrack.  Keep ranting 😎   

[danielk]

This is from last  panel meeting.  60 was way to much.     



The Cultus Lake fence was installed on July 25 and as of August 17, 7 Sockeye have been manually counted through the fence or passively recorded on video.

[Wiseguy]

is this from personal experience?

When I asked more about it. I was told a refrigerated truck is coming from the Chilliwack area to Edmonton. Some of the guys on my crew put their orders in.

[avid angler]

This is from last  panel meeting.  60 was way to much.     



The Cultus Lake fence was installed on July 25 and as of August 17, 7 Sockeye have been manually counted through the fence or passively recorded on video.

I guess it’s totally possible. But I’ve also seen chilliwack lake sockeye stray into the hatchery. Pretty well all of the cultus sockeye I’ve caught or seen have been in the last 3 weeks of September

[wildmanyeah]

450k sockeye past mission in the last 3 days. not to bad

[CohoJake]

Before we get all depressed about this year's return, does anyone else remember the last time there was no fishery in a peak return year? I think it was 2010? Or 2006? The point is, the run has bounced back before and can do so again.

[RalphH]

Here is why no one talks about it Rod, you will be labeled a racist as I was by Ralph or in your case a racist enabler.

I didn't call anyone a racist or a racist enabler. You are making that up.

the point is why criticize Fns to excess for what is absolutely common and ignored?   My comments are about the quality of the journalism.

it's not just veggie stuff. I have for example come across both a dead Holstein cow and a sheep. Most waste ends up in the dumpster and people never see it. Much the same with commercial fishing and rec angling. These doesn't even count the waste from c&r mortality or the by-catch dumped at sea.

[wildmanyeah]

Before we get all depressed about this year's return, does anyone else remember the last time there was no fishery in a peak return year? I think it was 2010? Or 2006? The point is, the run has bounced back before and can do so again.

I only went back to 1990, this year is worse than them all

1990 - 21 mil
1994 - 16.8 mil
1998 - 10.8 mil
2002 -  15.4 mil
2006 -  13 mil
2010 -  28.2 mil
2014 -  18.9 mill
2018 -  11 mill

Edit: Interesting note is 1998 and 2018 have the same estimated return however if you compare the catches of the two, they are not even remotely the same. I am not sure when they started the hydroacoustic program perhaps that's the difference.

https://psc1.shinyapps.io/PSC_In_Season_Fraser/

[Dubs604]

I only went back to 1990, this year is worse than them all

1990 - 21 mil
1994 - 16.8 mil
1998 - 10.8 mil
2002 -  15.4 mil
2006 -  13 mil
2010 -  28.2 mil
2014 -  18.9 mill
2018 -  11 mill

Edit: Interesting note is 1998 and 2018 have the same estimated return however if you compare the catches of the two, they are not even remotely the same. I am not sure when they started the hydroacoustic program perhaps that's the difference.

https://psc1.shinyapps.io/PSC_In_Season_Fraser/

It's weird.  2018's hydroacoustic numbers were weirdly steady at around 20,000-60,000 fish per day from around August 27 to mid-September.  Not surprised to see 2010's September numbers off the charts, with the number of Lates that year.  2002 had big numbers in that period (just a couple days later than 2010), but 2006 (which had slightly stronger Lates than 2002) had numbers that were comparatively low (like 50,000 compared to 500,000 a day). 

If I had to guess, I'd assume that if the current estimates for Lates remain what they are (~1,200,000), that the hydroacoustic numbers for around Labour Day onward would be really low.  Lates in 2011 were 1,125,000 (comparable to current estimates), and their numbers were in the 15,000 to 110,000 range a day from now until September 17 of that year.

[mikeyman]

I was told they are using new data and formulas to estimate the run sizes. I still think they are under reporting and hiding the numbers from us to allow native only fisheries then make us point fingers at the US openings and each other. True liberal agenda is in truth and reconciliation and we are being used to meet the political agenda. We were never going to get an opening in August ever. Regardless if the run was 5 or 20 million.The native delegates pushed for this for a long time. That is why there is no fishing for chinook until September 1st. For a few years now. It isn't to save the salmon. It is to let the natives Gill net everything and get firsts without giving anyone else the opertunity. It is shitty. I was all for truth and reconciliation. But this isn't how it should go. It creates separation between people. Not bringing them together to reach the goals. Sad as I will be voting different next time. If the conservatives get in. The cuts to both dfo and the reconciliation efforts will come. So greed on one end will have negative consequences unfortunately. 

[mikeyman]

I would love to see the stats from enforcement of illigal fish sales. I am willing to bet not one person gets fined or charged from the fsc fishery.

[Dubs604]

You can download an Excel spreadsheet for this season at the following link:

https://www.psc.org/publications/fraser-panel-in-season-information/fish-passage-past-the-psc-hydroacoustic-counting-station-near-mission-bc/

Looks like they update it daily (or at least very regularly).  Current cumulative passage estimate is 3,551,500.  For kicks, I added the daily hydroacoustic numbers from 2018 from today's date until around Thanksgiving to the current cumulative passage estimate.  So if it tracks 2018 (which we've noted had daily numbers that appear to be lower than previous bumper years), we get to around 5,700,000 fish by Thanksgiving. 

[redside1]

. True liberal agenda is in truth and reconciliation and we are being used to meet the political agenda.

we are not being used but access to fish & game is being used to meet the Truth & Reconciliation agenda of the federal government.
There is no cost to them for giving away access to fish & game. Urban dwellers don't know what's happening and will continue to vote Liberal. Access to Fish & Game will be severely curtailed in the next few years. It's already happened in the hard to get at places. Look how the central coast is closed to fishing crab to everyone except First Nations. You can't hop on a boat in Bella Coola head out into the saltwater and toss a trap down.

[mikeyman]

we are not being used but access to fish & game is being used to meet the Truth & Reconciliation agenda of the federal government.
There is no cost to them for giving away access to fish & game. Urban dwellers don't know what's happening and will continue to vote Liberal. Access to Fish & Game will be severely curtailed in the next few years. It's already happened in the hard to get at places. Look how the central coast is closed to fishing crab to everyone except First Nations. You can't hop on a boat in Bella Coola head out into the saltwater and toss a trap down.

How do you figure we are not being used? Lol. Who buys licenses? Who pays taxes? Who doesn't get access to the fisheries anymore? We are not being used? Give your head a shake! Who invested 30 grand in a boat? Gear. Consuming. Supporting tourism I can go on. Where does the money come from?
I could see Canadians having enough this next go around. Don't count your chickens bud. I never thought I would change my mind.