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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: fish bonk on July 29, 2012, 11:27:55 AM
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Trying to figure out if we will get a crack at them this ear. Either in the Ocean or the river.
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all depends on the summer run size,wont know for another week.its always possible we might get a week of fishing mid august.
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Maybe, but doubtful, last cycle for this year ended up way under the expected return, but hey next year is the cycle from the 30 plus million that returned so we will see. Maybe by next week DFO will have a better idea of the numbers. From the numbers I am seeing and hearing about they seem quite low. Should just let them go up to do their business and then the next cycle around would hopefully be much healthier.
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Maybe, but doubtful, last cycle for this year ended up way under the expected return, but hey next year is the cycle from the 30 plus million that returned so we will see. Maybe by next week DFO will have a better idea of the numbers. From the numbers I am seeing and hearing about they seem quite low. Should just let them go up to do their business and then the next cycle around would hopefully be much healthier.
I'm all for that Mikeyman, just leave them be for one season. We had a super long opening last year and although all my sockey is long gone I don't mind missing one season, especially in a down year.
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numbers are low in the test fisheries, they may open it if numbers increase but are having a hard time because the river is so high. next year's cycle is from 2009 the lowest return that caused the cohen inquiry. the 30+million cycle that happened in 2010 will return in 2014.
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didnt they say same thing last year about how little is predicted and look how many came threw
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they provide predictions in % probability. last year for sockeye was from as little as 2.6mil - 9mil+ and the end result was around 4.6mil. Same goes with the pink last year the range was 12mil-25mil and ended up being around 17.5mil. DFO to be honesy can only guess at what will come back no science will figure out what nature has in store. its just a waiting game.
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I agree with the closure if the fish stock is low. Hope DFO don't open it even for a week just to get the license revenue. Every fish is important when the cyele is low. They should consider shutting down FN too. Friends already told me about the back lane 'food fish' trucks. ;D But when fish survival is at stake, all user groups should stop for the fish's sake.
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when fish survival is at stake, all user groups should stop for the fish's sake.
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I would hazard to say no, looking at the returns to date.
Also will the unusual high water for this time of year have a bearing too with it being more treacherous than usual as this fishery draws a lot of people that take chances trying to cross side channels to reach some bars.
Note, Peg Leg Bar access road is still blocked.
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But when fish survival is at stake, all user groups should stop for the fish's sake.
Funny how the native sockeye reports have documented over 45000 fish caught so far for food and ceremonial purposes. I wonder how many haven't been reported.
Not to mention.....I didn't know that food and ceremonial purposes involved selling them out of the back of a truck. Natives selling sockeye this summer is running rampant. I supposes when family members are used to knowing someone who BBs for them, that this year they aren't getting any.....so they buy them from the natives. What a joke.
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if the summer run is over 1.5 million then we have a chance of getting some , panel is meeting today so numbers might be available later today.
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Heard on the news yesterday that this sockeye run is a little stronger than originally predicted. The spokesman said that there is possibility of an opportunity for commercial and sportsmen for their fair share
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Heard on the news yesterday that this sockeye run is a little stronger than originally predicted. The spokesman said that there is possibility of an opportunity for commercial and sportsmen for their fair share
Nice, thanks for the post! :)
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the panel says the summer run is nr. to forcast abundance levels. looks like a sports opening coming in a week or so.
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yup my guess is Aug. 15th for the ocean
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I would hazard to say no, looking at the returns to date.
Also will the unusual high water for this time of year have a bearing too with it being more treacherous than usual as this fishery draws a lot of people that take chances trying to cross side channels to reach some bars.
Note, Peg Leg Bar access road is still blocked.
Chris is right. To anyone thinking about fishing any Bar on the Fraser, be very very careful. I lost a friend fishing at Peg Leg Bar last September. We were wading across a side channel that was only knee deep, the gravel gave way under our feet and we got swept into the main channel of the Fraser. I managed to get back but my friend was found a week later drowned. I've fished the Fraser for over 15 years. Do not underestimate the mighty Fraser, where your PFD"s, as Chris says the river is more treacherous then usual. I think a lot of people do not wear a life jacket because it makes them look dumb? Noob etc whatever reason, what's more important? Looking dumb or your life? I hope everyone takes this post seriously because lives are lost every year on the Fraser. Be safe!
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http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1751212
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Chris is right. To anyone thinking about fishing any Bar on the Fraser, be very very careful. I lost a friend fishing at Peg Leg Bar last September. We were wading across a side channel that was only knee deep, the gravel gave way under our feet and we got swept into the main channel of the Fraser. I managed to get back but my friend was found a week later drowned. I've fished the Fraser for over 15 years. Do not underestimate the mighty Fraser, where your PFD"s, as Chris says the river is more treacherous then usual. I think a lot of people do not wear a life jacket because it makes them look dumb? Noob etc whatever reason, what's more important? Looking dumb or your life? I hope everyone takes this post seriously because lives are lost every year on the Fraser. Be safe!
Thanks for the heads up FishingKing and it never hurts to repeat that. The river is not your friend and it can be very deceptive and unforgiving. Don't pay with your life for the cost of a fish. And as far as the sockeye opening, I'm easy going either way. If the number's support it go ahead and give a small opening and if not, no big deal. Just don't take any excessive chances and wear your PFD's.
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http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1751212
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Thanks for the heads up FishingKing and it never hurts to repeat that. The river is not your friend and it can be very deceptive and unforgiving. Don't pay with your life for the cost of a fish. And as far as the sockeye opening, I'm easy going either way. If the number's support it go ahead and give a small opening and if not, no big deal. Just don't take any excessive chances and wear your PFD's.
I agree with ATZ. No need to have an opening if the number is not high enough for it. DFO should not open it for selling more licenses if the number is border line. There are always coho & spring. Regarding the tragic drowing, it is sad that DFO or City of Chilliwack allows this to happen frequently at Peg. The last drowning I was aware of was a guy from Abbotsrford about 8-10 years ago. Are there more downings than that? The victims were doing the same thing - trying to cross the side channel and lost their footing & flowed out to the main channel. They should either shut Peg down in early season, or open Peg up for year round recreation by building a bridge across the channel. They can design the bridge so that water can still flow freely underneath the bridge so the bridge will not damage fish habitat. Or at least stretch a life-saving floating rope across the channel secured by posts. Why keep on wasting precious human lives for doing nothing at a trecherous spot in such a high-use recreation area?
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A little common sense goes a long way. Simple rule if you can't see where your going do not go there. However if the weather is warm enough do not wear waders at all, you will dry out quickly enough in the hot sun.
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Heard that we're getting an opening next Thursday; don't see it posted online yet though and there isn't another meeting 'til tomorrow :-\
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As of the meeting today; there is still no planned sockeye openings (other than current First Nations openings). Late run estimates are only 200,000 fish (compared to 1,470,000 last year), next meeting is on the 14th.
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As of the meeting today; there is still no planned sockeye openings (other than current First Nations openings). Late run estimates are only 200,000 fish (compared to 1,470,000 last year), next meeting is on the 14th.
Thanks for the info. Hopefuly more come up in the next week.
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The target would be the summer run 1.5 millon but nearly 600,000 have already passed mission,so time is running out for sockeye opening.
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Yeah, it's over; no sockeye opening this year.
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Oh well, no sockeye! Too bad, but, getting the stocks up is more important than the money an opening would bring.
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Hey, for those who don't know; the Osoyoos lake sockeye return is huge this year and the fishing is reportedly Hot right now. Limits are 2/day and should be good for a few weeks yet, so that might give some of you another option for sockeye.
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With estimates that legal ceremonial net fishing takes 50% of the overall annual catch, and commercial takes 40%, WHY THE HECK isnt recreational the first to open every season? I.E before other interests.
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With estimates that legal ceremonial net fishing takes 50% of the overall annual catch, and commercial takes 40%, WHY THE HECK isnt recreational the first to open every season? I.E before other interests.
Sport anglers get priority on springs and coho. Commies get first go at pinks chum and socks. Its a long standing policy of DFO.
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Oh well, no sockeye! Too bad, but, getting the stocks up is more important than the money an opening would bring.
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Hey, for those who don't know; the Osoyoos lake sockeye return is huge this year and the fishing is reportedly Hot right now. Limits are 2/day and should be good for a few weeks yet, so that might give some of you another option for sockeye.
Rumour has it that they may up the quota to 4/day soon :)
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Fishing in Osoyoos Lake only for Sockeye, so you will need a boat and a down rigger from what I hear. And for those who make the trip out and don't get their fish, apparently the native band will have Sockeye for sale at the Nkmip Desert Cultural Center which is just outside of Osoyoos.
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I think Chris is correct , highly unlikely. I have posted the lastest info for you.
Category(s):
ABORIGINAL - General Information,
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Gill Net,
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Seine,
COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Troll,
RECREATIONAL - Salmon
Fishery Notice - Fisheries and Oceans Canada
Subject: FN0723-Salmon: Fraser River Sockeye Update - Areas 11 to 29- August 10, 2012
First Nations food, social and ceremonial fisheries for sockeye are underway in
all areas. Fishers are requested to check for opening times and any
restrictions in their local areas. There are no planned commercial or
recreational sockeye fisheries at this time.
An update from the August 10th Fraser River Panel meeting follows:
The Fraser River Panel met August 10 to review assessment data on Fraser River
sockeye salmon, plan fisheries and discuss sockeye migration conditions in the
Fraser River watershed. Marine test fisheries indicate declining migration of
Fraser sockeye over recent days. DNA analyses indicate that the stock
composition of Fraser River sockeye in the marine approach routes is currently
approximately 5 per cent Early Summer-run, 80 per cent Summer-run, and 15 per
cent Late-run sockeye. The diversion rate of Fraser River sockeye through
Johnstone Strait has been increasing recently and is presently estimated at
37%. Estimates of sockeye passage in the Fraser River past the Mission
hydroacoustic site have been strong over the last several days. The observer at
Hells Gate has reported a large migration of sockeye over the past few days.
Early Summer-run sockeye continue to display a broad, multi-peak marine
migration profile, which has resulted in numerous run size increases this
season. At the Panel meeting on August 6 the Panel increased the run size
estimate for Early Summer-run sockeye from 510,000 fish to 530,000 fish. At the
Panel meeting on August 7, the run size estimate for Early Summer-run sockeye
was increased to 550,000 fish and at the meeting August 10 the run size
estimate was unchanged. The estimated 50 per cent marine timing of Early Summer-
run sockeye through Area 20 is currently estimated to be July 16, which is the
timing that was expected during pre-season planning. The estimated escapement
of Early Summer-run sockeye past Mission through August 9 is 477,000 fish.
At the meeting on August 7, the Panel agreed that Summer-run sockeye run size
estimates were consistent with the pre-season forecast of 1,585,000 fish. At
the meeting August 10 the Summer-run sockeye run size estimate was unchanged.
The estimated 50% marine timing of Summer-run sockeye through Area 20 is
currently estimated to be August 5, which is four days later than expected. DNA
analyses indicate that Chilko sockeye are continuing to contribute a large
portion of the Summer-run sockeye abundance migrating through marine assessment
areas. The estimated escapement of Summer-run sockeye past Mission through
August 9 is 613,000 fish.
At the meeting August 10, the Panel approved a run size estimate of 200,000
Late-run sockeye. A large portion of the Late-run sockeye return this season is
expected to be comprised of five year old Birkenhead and Weaver sockeye and
assessments conducted to-date are consistent with this expectation. The
estimated escapement of Late-run sockeye past Mission through August 9 is
101,000 fish.
On August 9 the discharge of the Fraser River at Hope was approximately 4,700
cms, which is approximately 18% above average for this date. The temperature of
the Fraser River at Qualark Creek on August 8 was 19.4 degrees Celsius, which
is 1.5 degrees Celsius higher than average for this date. The Panel manages
fisheries to provide additional Fraser sockeye above the spawning escapement
targets through application of management adjustments. The management
adjustments help ensure that the escapement targets are met, which off-sets en
route mortality and other factors that could affect meeting spawning escapement
targets. At the Panel meeting on August 6, after reviewing environmental and
stock assessment information, the Panel approved a decrease in the management
adjustment factor for Early Summer-run sockeye from 0.58 to 0.54. At the Panel
meeting on August 7 it was reduced to 0.49 and at the meeting August 10 it was
unchanged.
Total catch to date in all fisheries is approximately 290,000. Total escapement
into the river to date is approximately 1,269,000 sockeye. Total in-season run
size is approximately 2,515,000.
The next in-season meeting of the Fraser Panel is scheduled for Tuesday August
14, 2012.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Barry Rosenberger 250-851-4892
Fisheries and Oceans Canada Operations Center - FN0723
Sent August 10, 2012 at 15:04
Visit us on the Web at http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca
If you have any questions or would like to unsubscribe, please contact us via e-mail to: OpsCentre@pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca
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With estimates that legal ceremonial net fishing takes 50% of the overall annual catch, and commercial takes 40%, WHY THE HECK isnt recreational the first to open every season? I.E before other interests.
where do those 'estimates' come from? PSF publishes reported catches for all sectors. Fraser Aboriginal Fishery harvest is 147k on an escapement of 1.1 million. The commercial catch in the US is 99k. Canadian commercial and sport remain closed.
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Fraser Aboriginal Fishery harvest is 147k
As if they eat all them too... ??? How many get sold or even dumped? I have seen pics on this forum of salmon from past years being dumped.
It is 2012 for crying in the lake..Time to stop playing the victim. Tax Payers have paid billions and billions over the years so they have been more than compensated. Where doe the money go? Many Chiefs enjoy vacations and nice vehicles while members live in squalor. All reserves should be audited forthwith.
I also refuse to have any white guilt as i was not around when things allegedly happened. yes very bad things happened but time to move on. Do not forget too various Aboriginal groups used to have slaves and viscous bloody battles for land and resources. Things were not all sunshine and flowers before the Europeans arrived like we are led to believe.
Time to move on. Time moves forward not backwards. You have many programmes through the government to help you get education, jobs etc. Time to buck up and stop being a victim and making new generations perpetual victims. That is the problem with Canada so many 'victims' from so many different groups. Were really a country of victims...
Contrary to popular belief it is not racism to question things from any group. I have every right to know where my hard working tax dollars are going.
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As if they eat all them too... ??? How many get sold or even dumped? I have seen pics on this forum of salmon from past years being dumped.
It is 2012 for crying in the lake..Time to stop playing the victim. Tax Payers have paid billions and billions over the years so they have been more than compensated. Where doe the money go? Many Chiefs enjoy vacations and nice vehicles while members live in squalor. All reserves should be audited forthwith.
I also refuse to have any white guilt as i was not around when things allegedly happened. yes very bad things happened but time to move on. Do not forget too various Aboriginal groups used to have slaves and viscous bloody battles for land and resources. Things were not all sunshine and flowers before the Europeans arrived like we are led to believe.
Time to move on. Time moves forward not backwards. You have many programmes through the government to help you get education, jobs etc. Time to buck up and stop being a victim and making new generations perpetual victims. That is the problem with Canada so many 'victims' from so many different groups. Were really a country of victims...
Contrary to popular belief it is not racism to question things from any group. I have every right to know where my hard working tax dollars are going.
X2 well spoken
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the only reason its like this is because BC has the largest collection of bleeding heart/tree hugging/compensating/"we need to make everyone happy" people on the planet, all in the same spot. Do you think communist russia cared about the balkan states they rolled in and conquered when it was the USSR?
suuuuuure didnt!
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the only reason its like this is because BC has the largest collection of bleeding heart/tree hugging/compensating/"we need to make everyone happy" people on the planet, all in the same spot. Do you think communist russia cared about the balkan states they rolled in and conquered when it was the USSR?
suuuuuure didnt!
Native affairs has nothing to do with B.C.
If you want change please lobby your MP. Complaining on the internet does nothing.
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Sport anglers get priority on springs and coho. . Its a long standing policy of DFO.
hahaahahahahahahaahahaa............that's almost funny....
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hahaahahahahahahaahahaa............that's almost funny....
Please explain, this is how I understood it as well. Considering there wa no rec opening for sox until around the 90's we are lucky to get one.
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Hopefully there wont be one.
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Time to move on. Time moves forward not backwards. You have many programmes through the government to help you get education, jobs etc. Time to buck up and stop being a victim and making new generations perpetual victims. That is the problem with Canada so many 'victims' from so many different groups. Were really a country of victims...
Contrary to popular belief it is not racism to question things from any group. I have every right to know where my hard working tax dollars are going.
I could not agree with this statement more, the way it's set up now no responsibility for their own actions or moving forward will happen. Well said!
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Hopefully there wont be one.
Ya I could take it or leave it but I just mean that is how I understand that DFO alots the different salmon species.
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Sometimes I wish I was native... just to grab me some sox
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Sometimes I wish I was native... just to grab me some sox
You are kidding right???
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Sometimes I wish I was native... just to grab me some sox
Sure. But then on average you would be living well below poverty, be hated by many sports fishermen, and rather than fishing sox for fun, you would be fishing sox to feed your family and maybe sell some to supplement your low income.
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Sure. But then on average you would be living well below poverty, be hated by many sports fishermen, and rather than fishing sox for fun, you would be fishing sox to feed your family and maybe sell some to supplement your low income.
Agreed lol
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I don't agree with your racial stereotypes.
Do you think this improves relations between the two groups?...
Think ahead to a peaceful future of co-existing and perhaps things will not be so jagged around the edges.
**EDIT**
You're a Canadian. We are multi-cultural Nation. Get real.
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If its on average Brian then race has nothing to do with it does it? Not really a racist comment if by average this goupr lives below the poverty line. That being said I have no idea of what the average native income is so I can't comment on that but numbers are numbers.
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A poverty line that is determined by a different culture of people. They do not share the same ideals as poverty as you.
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lets keep this post on topic boys ;D
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A poverty line that is determined by a different culture of people. They do not share the same ideals as poverty as you.
Yep, that is a fair statement. Never looked at it from that point of view.
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As if they eat all them too... ??? How many get sold or even dumped? I have seen pics on this forum of salmon from past years
Contrary to popular belief it is not racism to question things from any group.
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I have every right to know where my hard working tax dollars are going.
unfortunately the Natives effectively own a portion of the salmon runs and the right to harvest them. Property rights are never equal and will never provide equality. It has nothing to do with owing them a debt. The right to the fish was provided before the debt existed. Learn a little about it before bitching. The fish aren't yours. Get over it.
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Perhaps one day we'll all escape the Dark Ages, and abolish all special interest groups.
One people...all Canadians...all equal rights. No special privilages for anyone.
Everyone will have the same opportunity to get to a job, to own property, to pay taxes, to fish and hunt, etc, etc.
Until then, this BS is here to stay....end of story.
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Perhaps one day we'll all escape the Dark Ages, and abolish all special interest groups.
One people...all Canadians...all equal rights. No special privilages for anyone.
Everyone will have the same opportunity to get to a job, to own property, to pay taxes, to fish and hunt, etc, etc.
Until then, this BS is here to stay....end of story.
Sorry, it will not happen in our life time, a high percentage of people in our country are just interested in earning a living and going with the flow or sit behind computer offering solutions but that is as far as they go.
For example, the Chilliwack Vedder River Cleanup Society have been trying to make a difference keeping the riparian zone clean for 10 years, taking off 80 tonnes of garbage people have dumped but very few people that use this river come out and help, 250 tops, on BC Rivers Day with an average of 100 on the other 2 cleanups. As well many users continue to dump their refuse, they just don't care in the me, myself and I society we now live in.
I have seen that over the 40 years of being involved in environmental and political issues and that is what all our governments bank on.
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Yep the amount of Garbage people leave behind is sickening. However I think the majority of it is left behind by weekend use campers and such party goers. I am amazed that we still have access to certain back roads just based on the amount of garbage left behind. One could put in restrictions on camping near watersheds but whose going to pay for the enforcement?
The Native issue is just a boiling pot eventually everyone else will just stop caring about current regulations and go start taking their self entitled fair share; hunting included.
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Sorry, it will not happen in our life time, a high percentage of people in our country are just interested in earning a living and going with the flow or sit behind computer offering solutions but that is as far as they go.
For example, the Chilliwack Vedder River Cleanup Society have been trying to make a difference keeping the riparian zone clean for 10 years, taking off 80 tonnes of garbage people have dumped but very few people that use this river come out and help, 250 tops, on BC Rivers Day with an average of 100 on the other 2 cleanups. As well many users continue to dump their refuse, they just don't care in the me, myself and I society we now live in.
I have seen that over the 40 years of being involved in environmental and political issues and that is what all our governments bank on.
Chris the new era is one of self entitlement. Where you have no idea what you have, but what is taking so long to get everything you want. That "want" pretty well clouds up any idea of how to get it to where you are going. :-\
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Heard a rumour today that it might open on Saturday...
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summer run downgraded to 1.3 million so looks like no chance of opening.
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Today DFO has reportedly said that there will not be a sockeye opening this year.
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no socks this year :(
is it next year the offspring of the 30mil show up?
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no socks this year :(
is it next year the offspring of the 30mil show up?
I think thats in 2014...
I would like to know what the 2013 cycle is supposed to look like....
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I think thats in 2014...
I would like to know what the 2013 cycle is supposed to look like....
2013 is coming off of the 2009 return which was the supreme disappointment that initiated the Cohen Commission. Returns won't be much better than this year, most likely.
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I also read that there have been 323,000 sockeye caught so far this year, out of the estimate run size of 2.2 million...that is 14 almost 15 % of the run taken by what I am going to assume is native fishery. Why is this allowed? This is crazy! With such a small return, nobody should be fishing for sockeye.
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I also read that there have been 323,000 sockeye caught so far this year, out of the estimate run size of 2.2 million...that is 14 almost 15 % of the run taken by what I am going to assume is native fishery. Why is this allowed? This is crazy! With such a small return, nobody should be fishing for sockeye.
You assumption is partly incorrect. The whiteys in Washington State had a crack at the sockeye already too. Test fisheries pick up quote a few, and yes, the Fraser FSC fishery has taken some.
Read up on allocation policy, escapement targets, total allowable mortality rules etc to see why. Also, reread this thread to see how people in all sectors are chomping at the bit to get a crack at these fish.
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Today DFO has reportedly said that there will not be a sockeye opening this year.
Also will save a lot of chinooks from being TOW'ed too.
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Its official, no opening.
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Its official, no opening.
Let the whining begin. ;D
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The market price of FN sockeye food fish just shot up...... now that the competition has disappeared. ???
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Bassonator will be happy, he just has to go to the back yard fence to get his. ;D
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Bassonator will be happy, he just has to go to the back yard fence to get his. ;D
You're not suggesting he'd do that and keep it a secret from us ? :o
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I for one am happy that there's no opening. It won't kill us to not fish for a couple years and its not like we'll starve. I do love fresh sockeye though so I guess I'll be having my Richmond residing nephew deliver me 3 or 4 beauties and I'll pay him when he arrives. They will be like precious cargo upon delivery, unlike last year when I had so many I gave away at least 30 to 35 lbs. of filleted and smoked sockeye.
Not this year I don't !!!!
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Saw wild Sockeye at Costco today about 20 bucks for a deboned whole fish. Not bad but i'm not sure where there from.
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Ranched Alaska.... ;D ;D ;D
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Its official, no opening.
Good for the fish. Let them spawn. DFO should shut down FN too. They already have their food fish and no point to let more precious soc die because somebody want to buy them from the back fence. ;D
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Yeah and pretty soon no more Shark Fin Soup too. ;D ;D ;D
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=145473&ID=recreational
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http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=145473&ID=recreational
While fishing for chinook and chum salmon, anglers are advised to avoid using
fishing methods such as bottom bouncing that catch sockeye salmon and use other
fishing methods that are selective.
The first principle of selective fishing is to avoid catching non-targeted
stocks. This means that anglers should use methods that do not catch sockeye.
The following fishing methods enable anglers to catch chinook and chum salmon
and avoid sockeye salmon interceptions:
Bar Fishing
Trolling Spoons at Creek mouths
Float Fishing
Pulling Plugs
Fly Fishing
I wonder how many people will comply?
Sad if you donot.
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While fishing for chinook and chum salmon, anglers are advised to avoid using
fishing methods such as bottom bouncing that catch sockeye salmon and use other
fishing methods that are selective.
The first principle of selective fishing is to avoid catching non-targeted
stocks. This means that anglers should use methods that do not catch sockeye.
The following fishing methods enable anglers to catch chinook and chum salmon
and avoid sockeye salmon interceptions:
Bar Fishing
Trolling Spoons at Creek mouths
Float Fishing
Pulling Plugs
Fly Fishing
I wonder how many people will comply?
Sad if you donot.
I must concur.
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I must concur.
I would also suggest those that continue now put themelves before the well being of our fish stocks. :'( :(
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Hell if I aint buyin from FN anymore this should be easy.
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Hell if I aint buyin from FN anymore this should be easy.
Yes, I always admire people that correct what they now see was the incorrect thing to be doing.
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Would be nice to see DFO, or other body, out on the river giving people a heads-up. I know people are supposed to read these in-season changes but, let's face it, most probably don't really read them that closely. It's most likely word-of-mouth ("sockeye are open? let's GOOOOOO!!")
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Would be nice to see DFO, or other body, out on the river giving people a heads-up. I know people are supposed to read these in-season changes but, let's face it, most probably don't really read them that closely. It's most likely word-of-mouth ("sockeye are open? let's GOOOOOO!!")
Most people have computers these days and should check notices but hey don't all read fishingwithrod.com? ;D ;D
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Most people have computers these days and should check notices but hey don't all read fishingwithrod.com? ;D ;D
And for those that donot read FWR please send to your friends that plan ro go out this weekend.
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=145461&ID=recreational
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And for those that donot read FWR please send to your friends that plan ro go out this weekend.
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/xnet/content/fns/index.cfm?pg=view_notice&lang=en&DOC_ID=145461&ID=recreational
Yes. Please. I'd like to be able to toss in my spin n' glo for once!! ::)
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This is likely the strongest working yet from DFO on this topic. Unfortunately, it still isn't good enough to get the point across. This would be the perfect year to shut 'er down when the snaggers continue to flaunt this "request", ruining it for the rest of the true sporties. While they're at it, I would love to see a complete closure of the Vedder from Sweltzer Creek down ~ 500m in August and September. Over 300 sockeye reported bonked last year, and I would speculate that many more that number were not reported (it's illegal after all).
When "sporties" clearly demonstrate they are unable to follow requests (release sockeye in Vedder, do not target sockeye in Fraser), it's time to make it easy for them.
UNfortunately, I have very little faith this could happen. Basically got laughed at when I enquired about it last year.
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dnibbies The by-catch of Cultus sockeye in the commercial fishery would take far more fish than the sport fisherman. They are allowed an allocation of Cultus fish in exchange for pike minnow removal from Cultus lake. If DFO were to protect Cultus fish they would have to
shut down the commercial fishery which will never happen. Once again people are targeting the wrong user group. I do agree anglers should take the time to properly ID their catch. DFO managers were informed that marking sockeye with an adipose fin clip would lead to misidentification of these fish. People just assume that a adipose fin clipped fish is a coho.
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My buddy who lives in Hope and was the DFO creel survey guy for years, has been watching anglers carrying dead Sockeyes back to their trucks for 2 weeks now, so asking these folks to stop bouncing is comical.
DFO allowed this fishery to blossom and trying to curtail it at certain times is stupid.
It's all or nothing really.
I will continue to selectively fish for Chinooks as I always have and fully expect most will bounce for Chinooks and some will kill anything, including Sox, Steelhead and interior Coho.
DFO is managed by fools, it's the only answer.
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Just a general question,
What is the number off fish that survive from egg to spawn. Or I guess out of all the eggs that come from one fish, how many will come back.
So if 3 million sockeye spawn, how many will come back in 4 years... on average
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dnibbies The by-catch of Cultus sockeye in the commercial fishery would take far more fish than the sport fisherman. They are allowed an allocation of Cultus fish in exchange for pike minnow removal from Cultus lake. If DFO were to protect Cultus fish they would have to
shut down the commercial fishery which will never happen. Once again people are targeting the wrong user group. I do agree anglers should take the time to properly ID their catch. DFO managers were informed that marking sockeye with an adipose fin clip would lead to misidentification of these fish. People just assume that a adipose fin clipped fish is a coho.
For sure the commies (and FNs) take more than the sporties do, although in 2011 the numbers I've seen actually look like it may not be that much more.Management of Late run interceptions the last 3 years is also a sore spot for me, as the goalposts get moved whenever it looks like managing around Cultus interceptions will slow fisheries. I still think that a short, targeted closure of the Chilliwack for a 3 or 4 week period in and around the vicinity of the Sweltzer confluence is a reasonable management measure. It's not about targeting certain user groups, it's about taking the steps necessary to get the fish back on the grounds, with as little impact as possible on harvesters. IN this case, everyone can keep fishing for coho and whites to their heart's content, but hopefully the impacts on the cultus fish would be minimized.
The adipose clip is definitely a contributing factor in the inadvertent bookings by greenhorns.
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Just a general question,
What is the number off fish that survive from egg to spawn. Or I guess out of all the eggs that come from one fish, how many will come back.
So if 3 million sockeye spawn, how many will come back in 4 years... on average
2 to 5 percent of fry return to spawn.
3 million spawners = 60,000 to 150,000 return.
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It's more like 2 to 5 percent of the eggs each female sockeye lays returns. So lets say each female sockeye lays 3000 eggs, so 2 to 5 percent of 3000 fry would return.
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I'm not sure how many eggs each salmon has, just throwing numbers but pretty much 2 to 5 percent of the fry return from each female fish.
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I'm not sure how many eggs each salmon has, just throwing numbers but pretty much 2 to 5 percent of the fry return from each female fish.
Yours is likely a more accurate statement than "3 million spawners = 60,000 to 150,000 return"
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I don't agree with your racial stereotypes.
Do you think this improves relations between the two groups?...
Think ahead to a peaceful future of co-existing and perhaps things will not be so jagged around the edges.
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You're a Canadian. We are multi-cultural Nation. Get real.
Ok, I don't want to sidetrack but need to address the comment about my msg being racist. I haven't said anything that isn't already accepted by our gov't and by the academics. That information is easily found.
http://www.policyalternatives.ca/sites/default/files/uploads/publications/reports/docs/Aboriginal%20Income%20Gap.pdf
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/04/08/aboriginal-income-disparity.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/01/28/bc-rae-speech.html
I support the FN rights to fish. Some people (not all) are getting upset with the rights given to the FN because it affects their recreation to fish for sockeye and they think it is unfair. Although there are a few legitimate concerns, some (not all) people are jumping on the hate wagon because of personal inconveniences in their recreation. All I'm trying to point out is how good we have it and put some perspective on things. I like having cultural diversity. I enjoy watching dip netting. I don't have a problem with sockeye being opened for FN only (if the fishery can support it of course).
If its on average Brian then race has nothing to do with it does it? Not really a racist comment if by average this goupr lives below the poverty line. That being said I have no idea of what the average native income is so I can't comment on that but numbers are numbers.
dereke, the stats are in the 2nd link above.
A poverty line that is determined by a different culture of people. They do not share the same ideals as poverty as you.
I agree with that. We could use the relative definition but things are still not rosy.
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2 to 5 percent of fry return to spawn.
3 million spawners = 60,000 to 150,000 return.
Typo. I think you meant 3 million eggs or fry.
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2 to 5 percent of fry return to spawn.
3 million spawners = 60,000 to 150,000 return.
Yes, sorry - 2 different things.
The first number is correct. "SAR" (Smolt to Adult Return)
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Why is it that FN is still allowed to fish and harvest close to 500,000 fish in a low cycle year? What is the right number for DFO to say FN has enough fish for their food & ceremony purpose? Why not shut down the river now for all fishing if even c/r sockeye by the sparse crowd of spring fishermen is considered endangering the sockeye stock? Even the test nets kill a lot more sockeyes than the possible mortality of c/r sockeyes. Shut that down too. We don't need to kill more sockeye unnecessarily.
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Why is it that FN is still allowed to fish and harvest close to 500,000 fish in a low cycle year? What is the right number for DFO to say FN has enough fish for their food & ceremony purpose? Why not shut down the river now for all fishing if even c/r sockeye by the sparse crowd of spring fishermen is considered endangering the sockeye stock? Even the test nets kill a lot more sockeyes than the possible mortality of c/r sockeyes. Shut that down too. We don't need to kill more sockeye unnecessarily.
This from a BBer..... ;D
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hmmm...bye bye sockeye, no more, net net and net some more. Even if they open the rec fishing why bother supporting an opening for such a low number return. It is crazy that the DFO will let the netting continue and put a ban on the sport fisherman to selectively fish, not that I support bottom bouncing, but what is the point when 25% of the run has already been scooped up, and they are worried about the .00000001 % of the fish accidental flossed by a Spring snagger. Wow what an unequal equation. my smelly socks! Nobody should be fishing at all for sockeye!!!!!!!! Let the 2.5 million fish spawn and maybe...just maybe the next cycle will double if not triple in size assuming that environmental factors don't take over.
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and they are worried about the .00000001 % of the fish accidental flossed by a Spring snagger. Wow what an unequal equation. ********!
My buddies wanted to go bb for a spring a couple of weeks ago so I tagged along, having not hooked any sockeye the last time out. That afternoon we hooked 20 sox between us. 1 by the gill rakers, 1 by the belly. Not exactly .00000001 % of the run; and that's just three guys in 4 hours. :(
Nobody should be fishing at all for sockeye!!!!!!!!
Agreed.
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This from a BBer..... ;D
BBers do care about the fish stock in case you don't know. We will sweat for our spring and refuse to go the back fence for some cheap FN soc. ;D ;D
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Like I said earlier Ive quit, but the thing is can you..obviously not cause your a meat fisher. Better yet have a bowl of sharkfin soup.
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Like I said earlier Ive quit, but the thing is can you..obviously not cause your a meat fisher. Better yet have a bowl of sharkfin soup.
I wonder how many are continuing TOW;ing out there? ??? Maybe Bent Rods will let us know.
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I wonder If people started calling the CO's continuously, telling them that people are ignoring the advisory and still continuing to BB everywhere that maybe, just maybe, they'd do something more stingent, like ban the BB method all together.
Worth a shot. I mean all they can do is nothing, and we're already used to that. ;D ::)
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They don,t respond when an actual law is broken why would they respond to a strong suggestion
DFO has some hard decisions to make and making suggestions will likely have little if any impact except for a small numer of " anglers"
I am just saying ......
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they will close the entire river not just bottom bouncing, careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
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they will close the entire river not just bottom bouncing, careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
I here ya, but maybe that's what's needed to get the point across. :-\
On a side note,
It would be a hard hit on the guide outfits, and would upset a lot of "fishermen", but then again I've seen some outfits {not saying yours} and their clients flossing all day and even though it's a legal method of fishing I think that being a guide/outfit that ethics and more "sporty" ways of angling should rule over the success rate, but that's a whole other can of worms there. ;)
Sometimes to keep the business afloat, fish in the boat overrules everything else.
Just my 0.02
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Like I said earlier Ive quit, but the thing is can you..obviously not cause your a meat fisher. Better yet have a bowl of sharkfin soup.
I believe you. ;) It will be better to have some proof though. ;D I am not a meat fisher. I have fished steelhead for 20 years with many many empty trips in winter, in snow and rain. Have you? Nah, the back fence is easier place to get some protein. ;D Sharkfin soup is still legal here. Until it is illegal, it is game. I won't eat something from illegal source like somebody does. ;)
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Sharkfin soup is still legal here. Until it is illegal, it is game.
But is it ethical? In Alaska it's legal to snag sockeye with barbed treble hooks, whereas in some countries it's legal to have sex with "underaged" girls.
Just because something's legal doesn't make it right (and, of course, the reverse argument can be made)...
Just sayin'
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I am not a meat fisher.
I'd say you are, you've been {working hard} flossing fish with your 10 ft plus leaders all summer. ;)
There's absolutely no sport in that. ::)