Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: BladeKid on September 22, 2010, 05:41:16 PM
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The poll is regarding recreational fishing, as commercial and native are whole other issues.
Michaelt
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Why should we do this when other sectors including the ocean fishers would continue to fish?
If you can get the governments to pay more attention to environmental issues all salmon species would be doing a lot better.
Take the recreational angler, who in most cases are really concerned about the welfare of our fish out of the equation things will get a lot worse for their well being.
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The poll is regarding recreational fishing, as commercial and native are whole other issues.
Michaelt
why?
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That makes absolutely no sense.
Close the Fraser.
Oceans fishing remains open, ever been to any lodges on the West Coast and see the numbers of fish that recreational anglers take.
Close the Fraser, but what about the Vedder, Chehalis, Harrison, Stave.
It would be interesting to know sales from lower mainland fishing stores in Aug 2010 compared to Aug 2009.
The entire economic benefit is huge. I know that is not enough, but there is allot more benefit from recreational sport fishing compared to FN fishing. When my family has a ceremonial purpose someone bakes a cake.
My rights have changed since my grand parents, maybe other peoples rights need to change as well...
That would be the first place to start in my opinion...
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Eliminate the human race from the face of this planet for 1000 yrs would do great wonders for nature.
Any action in a bubble is at best ineffective. Closing just sports fishing will only change the type of whining. ::)
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No need to close down the entire Fraser. Spot closures may be ok though. It seem the bulk of the problems of hooked coho and steelhead stem from the Peg Leg area.
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No need to close down the entire Fraser. Spot closures may be ok though. It seem the bulk of the problems of hooked coho and steelhead stem from the Peg Leg area.
I agree, the DFO could enforce newer boundaries and dates to eliminate the majority of the non-tidal upper sections until they feel the bulk of fish have made their way . This would counter the poaching and " mistakes" that are being made...to a certain degree. Native fisheries would still be exempt , but that's another story all together.
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Why should we do this when other sectors including the ocean fishers would continue to fish?
If you can get the governments to pay more attention to environmental issues all salmon species would be doing a lot better.
Take the recreational angler, who in most cases are really concerned about the welfare of our fish out of the equation things will get a lot worse for their well being.
I completely agree with Chris on this one.
As far as spot closures, That just moves the masses to the open areas where the same problems will crop up. Education and enforcement is needed in these areas.
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I completely agree with Chris on this one.
As far as spot closures, That just moves the masses to the open areas where the same problems will crop up. Education and enforcement is needed in these areas.
Ever wonder why PegLeg is so productive for both Socks and Springs and anything else that swims through there? When the Fraser is lower near the end of August, it becomes a narrow channel that the bulk of the runs must swim through. The chances of hooking up a steelhead or coho are much higher there than any other bar. Its similar to the top end of Landstrom bar (which has been closed for a number of years). If too many steelhead and or coho are hooked in a particular area, then that area should be close IMHO.
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The sockeye salmon opening should have been closed sooner (after Labour day at the latest) in my mind to protect threatened species like Interior coho salmon and steelhead.
Didn't those that choose to go after them have enough by then anyway?
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Imagine closing all fishing for 8 years. For sure all species would benefit. Leave them all alone, let nature take it's course.
Oops, forgot I was on the fishing site and not the PETA site. NVM. ;D
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Imagine closing all fishing for 8 years. For sure all species would benefit. Leave them all alone, let nature take it's course.
Oops, forgot I was on the fishing site and not the PETA site. NVM. ;D
Be carefull Burn, Pamela Anderson is related to my first cousin, so I could turn you in. ;D ;D ;D
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If taking the recreational fisherman off the river earlier would have protected the migration of other salmon...
Imagine if the nets came off the river earlier, what that would do...
Why start with the fishing that has the least impact,
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2010 Fraser River Panel Sockeye Review - Sept 17, 2010:
Canadian Commercial Catch: 10,015,500
Fraser River Aboriginal (FSC): 514,650
Areas 12-124 Aboriginal: 273,980
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Recreational: 289,230
Catch Accounted-to-date: 13,109,160
Potential Spawning Escapement: 11,906,620
Total Accounted-to-date: 25,015,780
Recreational accounts for 2.2%
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Recreational accounts for 2.2%
I wonder how accurate this actually is.... I've heard that they account for it by doing their fly overs, counting the number of recreational fishermen and multiplying that by the daily limit....
Anyone know for certain if that's how they count?
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No matter how you look at it even with a gross margin of error rec. fishing has insignificant impact.
Yup, the rec. sock fishers are effectively irrelevant, their take is in the range of % of margin of errors (most stats are +/- several %).
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i dont think shutting down the recreational will help the salmon run ..
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The poll is regarding recreational fishing, as commercial and native are whole other issues.
Michaelt
This makes no sense whatsoever.. ???
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If the closure is not for all sectors then I say leave it open.
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Last night, I was at a dinner and had a conversation with a retired commercial fisherman (whose son is still a commercial fisherman). From his point of view, DFO mismanages the resource. His view is that there are not enough commercial openings and that there are too many fish returning to the spawning grounds and most are dying and unable to spawn. Just a different perspective, in the continuing argument as to who gets the right to kill the last fish...
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Since sockeye salmon don't bite in the freshwater phase, why not open it every day for the commercial fleets?
It certainly would discourage the flosser-to-be's.
Fishing is fishing, flossing isn't fishing!!
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funpig> With Commercial they can get the last fish. At least with Rec fishing even over a month's opening barely dented the population. Luv that too many returning argument, that's saying nature doesn't know how to manage the resource and that DFO only manages properly by letting commercial take the last fish.
shakespug> You do realize your drift fishing esp. in fast water flosses a lot of fish.
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Flossing = gathering ie The hunter/gatherer.
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funpig> With Commercial they can get the last fish. At least with Rec fishing even over a month's opening barely dented the population. Luv that too many returning argument, that's saying nature doesn't know how to manage the resource and that DFO only manages properly by letting commercial take the last fish.
shakespug> You do realize your drift fishing esp. in fast water flosses a lot of fish.
Not if my leader is 2 feet short? ???
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Since sockeye salmon don't bite in the freshwater phase, why not open it every day for the commercial fleets?
It certainly would discourage the flosser-to-be's.
Fishing is fishing, flossing isn't fishing!!
Yeah there's a great idea ::)
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If you are drift fishing for salmon/steelhead in fast water a 2' leader can floss a lot of spawning fish.
So what species are you targetting?
In slow or fast water?
Not if my leader is 2 feet short? ???
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It seems alright the way it is right now. Certain rules could be made sometimes if there's any concern about the salmon run
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"Modify" the present system would have been a good item to include in the options. I personally can't vote for any of the options shown.
Judging by the multiple complaints about 'line left on the bars', 'people not cleaning up their litter' 'too many Tim Horton's cups'..... add to that: rod, reel, & tackle purchase, boat & vehicle gas, DFO & CO fines ... I'd have to assume that the Rec. fishers put a lot of money into Fraser Valley businesses. The guide boats seemed to all be more than busy for 5 or so weeks as well. I'd guess that's a couple of million more $'s than the commercial or First Nations groups pump into the valley economy.
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Eliminate the human race from the face of this planet for 1000 yrs would do great wonders for nature.
There's a book about that-estimates 300 years would do.