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[RalphH]

LOL! My mistake is the PS and listed as so at the beginning of the record for the day but not in his governmental CV; https://pm.gc.ca/en/parliamentary-secretaries/kevin-lamoureux

At least I admit  my error while you usually disappear on one of the multi-week wilderness hunt trips after one of your infamous predictions fail to come true.

It has not passed 2nd reading ... there has to be a vote see;

https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/c-251

Cheers!

[IronNoggin]

My mistake

It has not passed 2nd reading ... there has to be a vote see;

You seem to be full of those these days! 

And exactly as I noted, second reading has been initiated and the Bill will not be voted on until it has gone through Committee.
Reading comprehension difficulties old timer??

Wondering...
Nog

[RalphH]

You seem to be full of those these days! 

And exactly as I noted, second reading has been initiated and the Bill will not be voted on until it has gone through Committee.
Reading comprehension difficulties old timer??

Wondering...
Nog

more authoritative sources disagree with your assessment:

Second reading

A second reading is the stage of the legislative process where a draft of a bill is read a second time.

In most Westminster-style legislatures, a vote is taken on the general outlines of the bill before being sent to committee.

from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_(legislature)

Second reading and referral to a committee

The second reading stage of the legislative process provides an opportunity to participate in debate on the general scope and principle of the bill.

Once the bill is adopted at second reading, it is referred to committee for further scrutiny.

from: https://www.ourcommons.ca/about/OurProcedure/LegislativeProcess/c_g_legislativeprocess-e.htm

the Parliamentary records also indicates that 2nd reading is not complete as it cannot be until the bill is adopted or not passed at 2nd reading:

https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/c-251

and as I stated above it has been moved to the bottom of the priority list.

Private Members' Business

At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans of Bill C-251, An Act respecting the development of a federal framework on the conservation of fish stocks and management of pinnipeds.

Mr. Small (Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame), seconded by Mr. Perkins (South Shore—St. Margarets), moved, — That the bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 93(1), the order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

from: https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/house/sitting-60/journals

who knows when it will be heard again?

I am not making this stuff and unlike you where you expect people to rely on your word or sometimes imperfect law and procedural knowledge, I provide definitive sources. These are not opinions, they are facts

I also want to clarify something else that is a fact and that is that depending on the sessions of parliament somewhere between 2 or 3% and 10% of private members bills are passed into law, hence my earlier remark "don't hold your breath".

A similar occurrence was following the appeal of the successful appeal The DLCC/MF&GC  when I told you that only a small number of requests for leave to appeal to the SCOC were actually heard by the SCOC you scoffed that your Legal Beagles knew better. Subsequently the leave was turned down without reason (which is normal).

Have a good weekend. I'll be doing crossword puzzles and math games to try and keep my wits up in the face of impending old age! You need to do something similar.

Cheers.

[IronNoggin]

You are indeed hilarious!

Enjoy your crosswords old timer...

Nog

[wildmanyeah]

Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): 

"The member is fortunate in the sense that he is in the first draw, which allows the member to ensure the legislation will, in fact, be voted on. There might be an opportunity to see it go to committee. We will have to wait and see. One of the things I do know is that there are members in all political parties who are taking a look at the issue of pinnipeds populations, because it is not just seals, as we can factor in walruses and so forth. They are having this huge impact."

[RalphH]

I think it would have been a better demonstration of his understanding of the matter if the other pinniped he mentioned was a sea lion. At least here on the PWC Sea Lions are cited as a major predator of salmon.  Walrus generally don't eat fish, they eat eat molluscs and other rather soft bottom dwelling invertebrates. That's why they have tusks, to root in the sea bed. Last time I checked we don't have many walrus in BC nor in the maritime waters though I guess there are of interest for harvest by the Inuit and Innu peoples in Labrador & Ungava etc

[IronNoggin]

Second Reading of Bill C 251 is up again at 2:30pm today: http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/

[RalphH]

IN didn't inform anyone but this Bill C-251(44-1) was defeated at second reading on June 15th.

https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/c-251

the vote; https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en/votes/44/1/151

the Vote by party: https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en/votes/44/1/151?view=party

[IronNoggin]

IN didn't inform anyone but this Bill C-251(44-1) was defeated at second reading on June 15th.

The reason I did not inform anyone was the vote was shut down due to "technical difficulties" with the electronic voting system.
At that point, the Speaker noted the vote would recommence in October of this year.

For this now to be handled like this, it sets a VERY dangerous precedence!

[IronNoggin]

Something is very VERY Amiss here.

At the last reading on June 15th, the Speaker stated that the vote was now removed until the next sitting in October due to "technical difficulties" with the electronic voting system.

Then, quietly, the government website suddenly announces the Bill as being defeated:

https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/c-251

I personally watched the vote via parlvu. I watched as four Liberals stood in support.

How is it possible that the vote now reflects but TWO Liberals in support?

https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en/votes/44/1/151?view=party

Something very much STINKS here...

Nog

[RalphH]

I guess they were using Dominion voting machines? 

2 Liberals or 4 wouldn't matter as the gap is 25 votes.

MP Small or another opposition member can always reintroduce a new, less flawed private member bill in October.

[RalphH]

if one goes to Hansard for June 15th https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/house/sitting-89/hansard

then to the 1st Private members business on the Contents tab on the right your will find the vote on

Conservation of Fish Stocks and Management of Pinnipeds Act Bill C251(44-1)

there you can read that the vote was suspended at 3:32pm while technical issues with the vote could be resolved. Twenty eight minutes later at 4pm the House resumed and a vote was called, Yeas 150, Nays 175. The speaker declared the motion to pass second reading defeated.

A suggestion to bring the items forward next fall when the house rises again after the summer recess is not mentioned.

[IronNoggin]

Unless they staged another complete vote, that doesn't explain the numbers discrepancies...

[RalphH]

You know Hansard is the official record. It gets reviewed by virtually everyone in the Commons. You know you weren't the only person watching the broadcast that afternoon & evening. The proceeding of the House are recorded and you could probably find them on line. Bits of it are usually broadcast on national news and on the the 'net. You know there were at least 325 MPs present including most of the Conservative big wigs and of course the HOC staff and public people in the gallery...yet no one has so far brought up the sneaky shenanigans regarding the vote you claim to have observed.

[IronNoggin]

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