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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2020, 02:24:15 PM »

Email from the CSSA as follows:

RCMP prohibits first 12-Gauge Shotgun with 20mm Bore Law - CBSA Memorandum backs Firearms Lawyers on Shotgun Ban

May 8, 2020

OSHAWA: On May 5, 2020, CSSA and CSAAA issued a joint news release showing Justin Trudeau and Bill Blair – either through gross ignorance or gross incompetence – banned 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotguns under the 20mm maximum bore diameter restriction in *SOR/2020-96."

Minister Blair’s denied this via social media, saying,

“Both 10 and 12 gauge shotguns are under the 20mm provision, and thus not subject to the prohibition. Our government is taking action to protect Canadians by banning assault-style weapons – not those used for hunting.

“The truth matters,” Minister Blair said.

We agree 100%. The truth matters.

This morning, the RCMP confirmed the first 12-gauge shotgun prohibited under the new Order-in-Council.

The deadly evil weapon? An old Iver Johnson single-shot, fixed choke 12-gauge shotgun with a 2 3/4" chamber.
That's right, a standard old farm gun.

RCMP Technical Unit Supervisor, Tim Hobbs, confirmed this firearm would be classified as prohibited in a phone call with a prominent firearms dealer.

See this firearm being measured - see for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcGpz-2aBYk&feature=emb_logo

That’s why we asked for the legal opinion of one of Canada’s top firearm lawyers, Edward L Burlew LL.B.
Solomon Friedman LL.B., another respected lawyer well-versed in firearms law, agrees with Mr. Burlew’s opinion.

“Your standard 12-gauge shotgun, most people think it has a bore of 18.5 millimeters,” he told CBC Radio, “but modern shotguns are actually over-bored – they’re larger than 18.5 millimeters to allow you*to screw in attachments called chokes. It’s very common. Most modern shotguns are made that way and that they are almost all larger than 20 millimeters.”

If Minister Blair doesn’t want to listen to the opinion of two experts in Canadian firearms law, perhaps he will agree with the experts in one of the agencies he oversees.

The Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA) Memorandum D19-13-2, issued May 29, 2019, defines BORE as:

"The inside of the barrel of a firearm, from the throat to the*muzzle, through which the projectile travels."

By the CBSA’s definition, it may be all 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotguns – not just those with removable chokes – are now Prohibited firearms because they do not consider the forcing cone, the “throat” of the barrel, which exceeds the 20 mm maximum bore*diameter specified in SOR/2020-96.

Will Minister Blair support the CBSA opinion that meshes with two of Canada’s top legal experts in firearms law?
Or will he toss them under the bus because he can’t admit he made a huge mistake?

We demand Minister Bill Blair immediately rescind SOR/2020-96 until such time as he can figure out what he’s doing.
It’s clear he hasn’t figured out what he’s doing yet, and all Canadian hunters and sport shooters may pay the price for his incompetence.

Fixing this particular (among many) problem requires the addition of two little words: “except shotguns.” That it is so easy to fix yet Blair refuses to make the change, tells us the wording was intentional. Minister Bill Blair promised to call us the*next day to clarify the OiC. Two and a half days later... we're still waiting. More to come. - TB
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2020, 03:15:24 PM »

Important Alert: New Canadian Gun Ban Poses Risks for Exported American Shotguns

http://www2.nssf.org/webmail/127421/320079709/90e5324250e0ab22561ed5d0c0020f8535459ec8938d4cd8fc30e9262467ee1a
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2020, 10:53:11 AM »

RCMP Deletes ‘Grandfathering’ Option From Web Page on Rifle Bans

The RCMP deleted the option for so-called “grandfathering” this week from its web page on the government’s mass rifle confiscations, igniting concern owners will face jail unless they surrender their guns within two years.

https://thegunblog.ca/2020/05/09/rcmp-deletes-grandfathering-option-from-web-page-on-rifle-bans/
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2020, 11:57:58 AM »

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« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2020, 12:30:35 PM »

Quite something when even your pet paid for media speaks out against your actions:

Latest gun control effort isn't merely a failure. It corrodes trust among Canadians

There is more than one way to look at the federal Liberal government's announcement of a ban on certain models of semi-automatic rifles: as illogical symbolism that will do nothing to advance public safety; as a waste of scarce public funds; as craven wedge politics.

Canadians who have followed a rigorous process to obtain a licence to purchase a firearm accept that the privilege of ownership can be revoked if it is poses an unreasonable danger. It is a far different thing to render their property unlawful for use simply so that the government can be seen to be doing something.

In short, the government is criminalizing some people's property not because it will make anyone safer, but because it can – because it knows that the political benefits far outweigh any loss in popularity among people who were probably not inclined to vote Liberal in the first place.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opinion-gun-control-politics-1.5556541
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2020, 12:19:44 PM »

RCMP Officer: Banned guns are “not assault rifles or military weapons”

The article has resurfaced recently as firearms and sport shooting groups have shared it on social media networks to highlight that expert opinion understands that carbine rifles like the AR-15 are not “military-style assault rifles”, as anti-gun politicians and activists claim.

https://www.westernstandardonline.com/2020/05/rcmp-officer-banned-guns-are-not-assault-rifles-or-military-weapons/
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2020, 12:25:28 PM »

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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2020, 12:47:49 PM »

OIC Prohibits a CROSSBOW!



 The poorly constructed OIC introduced by Bill Blair has inadvertently banned this crossbow.

The PSE Tac-15 uses a standard Ar-15 upper in its construction. Cost to CDN taxpayers to buy back $2000 each!

Now some bow enthusiasts have prohibited devices in Canada.

Weirder and weirder each passing moment!

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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2020, 02:28:29 PM »

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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2020, 01:18:02 PM »

New facts prove the utter uselessness of Trudeau's gun ban

The RCMP claim Wortman’s fourth murder weapon – another handgun – was “sourced in Canada.” But that is most likely because it was Const. Heidi Stevenson’s sidearm. Wortman stole that one off her body when he killed the Mountie after their two cars collided.

Yet in their infinite “progressive” wisdom, the Liberals and their supporters have convinced themselves Wortman and others like him can easily be stopped before they act out their murderous fantasies.

It’s a snap, they claim. Just take away guns from law-abiding hunters, farmers, target shooters and collectors.

That’ll do it!

Don’t try very hard to stop the illegal import of firearms, or better screen gun owners for mental health or crack down on street gangs and the drug trade or keep track of the nearly 500,000 Canadians who have been banned from possessing guns.

(Legal gun owners have to register their addresses with the RCMP, while people banned from owning guns because of previous convictions for violent crimes, do not.)

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-new-facts-prove-the-utter-uselessness-of-trudeaus-gun-ban
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2020, 02:09:58 PM »

Federal gun grab puts politics ahead of safety

Unfortunately, it seems Ottawa isn’t interested in constructive solutions. Instead, the federal government seems to prefer a big, noisy, politically charged spectacle. They want an election issue. This is why you see the Liberals adopt political terms used in the gun control debate south of the border. How many times have federal officials used the term “assault style” or “military grade” in describing the firearms they plan to ban? These terms are not weapon classifications, rather they are marketing terms for a political campaign. They are designed to evoke fear of both firearms and the hunters, farmers, ranchers, and sport shooters who own them. Alienating these folks while expecting them to voluntarily hand over their property is a policy doomed to backfire.

https://www.rimbeyreview.com/opinion/nixon-federal-gun-grab-puts-politics-ahead-of-safety/
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2020, 11:56:03 AM »

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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2020, 12:25:38 PM »

Add a BOLT ACTION shotgun (added today due to "scary looks"), the Single Shot Ruger # 1, and numerous British Double Rifles to the list of those Prohibited.

Still think they are only after their mis-named "military assault rifles"?

A collaborative response to a comprehensive attack

A historic day is upon us, thanks to the Liberal government.

Never before have we seen the uniting of our community, or the activation of so many gun owners as we are seeing right now, and it’s only just begun.

In a rare show of unity, over 50 Canadian organizations, representing millions of members, from every province across the country, have joined forces in opposing the arbitrary and punitive “gun ban” by a government who fails to address crime. This is just the first step in a collaborative reaction, to a very comprehensive attack.

https://firearmrights.ca/en/a-collaborative-response-to-a-comprehensive-attack/
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2020, 02:56:44 PM »

Federal firearms ban misses mark—badly

Police report that between 70 and 90 per cent of guns used in violent crimes in Canada are smuggled, mainly from the U.S. Gang violence is a growing threat to public safety. According to StatsCan, one quarter (24 per cent) of all homicides were gang-related in 2018, up from 16 per cent in 2015, and licensed firearms owners are much less likely to commit murder than other Canadians. The evidence strongly suggests this gun ban won’t make us safer. If the prime minister wants to stop gun violence, he should encourage the provinces and municipalities to hire more police officers or improve screening at the border to prevent gun smuggling. But this ban targets the law-abiding, not the criminal.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/federal-firearms-ban-misses-mark-badly
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