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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2020, 10:23:05 AM »

The sheep are falling into line:

Half of Canadians in cities support full ban on firearms: Ipsos poll



Anyone else happen to think this came on incredibility fast?

Anyone else want to venture a guess as to whether this oh-so-quick to be delivered poll was sponsored by the liberals?

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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2020, 11:48:53 AM »

 The Mowhawks - Akwesasne have been under Canadian Military Counter Intelligence surveillance working with US Homeland security because of terrorist threats and smuggling of just about anything including a very profitable cigarette business and weapons smuggling. With parts of these reserves in Canada and the US it's pretty easy for them. This is one of the major firearm smuggling routes. One report said " We were going to go in and clean up , confiscate illegal weapons" etc but our government declined to act due to fears of causing an Indigenous up rising. But these guys can still own the guns that were banned today. ........ you know , for deer hunting.

Don't like it?

Do something about it:

https://norskk.com/life/2020/5/1/sue-trudeau-keep-your-guns
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2020, 01:01:50 PM »

This will let the Liberals declare that they’ve done something, and it’ll no doubt feature prominently in their next fundraising email blast. But read between the lines of all these bills and proposals and you’ll see the truth: the Liberals know that lawful Canadian gun owners aren’t a problem, but they’ll use them as a convenient money-filled pinata every time the party’s coffers run low, with the public picking up the tab.

It makes for great political theatre. But let’s be clear what it is: this isn’t policy; it’s politics — at your expense.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/matt-gurney-the-liberals-useless-assault-weapons-ban
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2020, 01:25:09 PM »

Following a reading of yesterday’s regulation banning a swath of semi-automatic firearms and a briefing with officials from Public Safety, CBSA, Global Affairs, RCMP and the Department of Justice, it was made abundantly clear that the regulations were crafted in haste, and that the government has neither planned nor formulated the rest of the legislation required to implement their hastily crafted policy. As a result, the regulation is both flawed and dangerous.

During the briefing the government could not answer simple questions about the methods used for selection, why bolt action firearms were included on the list, why some shotguns are caught in the bore diameter restrictions, why some rimfire firearms are listed contrary to the selection criteria, and on and on. They also stated that the government, on behalf of the Governor in Council, has deemed the list of firearms banned as “not suitable for hunting or sport shooting”, but simultaneously provided an exemption for indigenous owners for the purpose of hunting. Further, this is contrary to the decades-long history of these very firearms being safely used for hunting and sport shooting.

This entire regulation bears the mark of an irrational process done in haste, and it divides Canadians.

https://firearmrights.ca/en/ccfr-calls-for-blairs-removal/
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2020, 03:32:26 PM »

Ontario Premier Doug Ford is taking aim at the federal government's new gun control measures, saying he believes the feds should focus on smuggling of illegal weapons at the border and strengthening jail sentences for gun crimes rather than targeting legal gun owners.

"I can't help but think that money could be put at a much better use hunting down the violent criminals and stopping the illegal guns at our borders," he said.

"You think gun violence is going to go down in Toronto? I don't believe gun violence is going to go down in Toronto based on taking guns off legal gun owners."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/doug-ford-takes-aim-at-trudeau-governments-gun-control-measures/ar-BB13wbAo
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2020, 06:27:03 PM »



    The BCWF encourages members impacted by this ban to write to your MP


    https://bcwf.bc.ca/initiatives/your-firearms-rights/

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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2020, 12:05:26 PM »

We often hear how this action somehow represented the will and desires of the majority of Canadians.
Something Trudeau trots out at every single opportunity.
I guess he too is relying on biased online polls to determine this...

Oddly enough, the liberals spent a considerable amount of time and energy finding out what Canadians actually wanted
Only to realize it wasn’t inline with what they wanted to do.
They even went so far as to document that very fact:  https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/2019-rdcng-vlnt-crm-dlg/index-en.aspx
This is something they have now forcibly shoved under the rug, as they continue to point towards any online poll that agrees with their stance instead.

Quite shameful the way this was done.
A minority government, lying continuously to it's citizens, end-running democratic function, and forcing their own Agenda on the public via an Order In Council.
This is NOT the Canada our forefathers fought and died for any more.
And it has made me shameful of my own country as a consequence.

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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2020, 12:13:00 PM »

Many of these now banned rifles were previously classed as a Restricted Weapon - the same classification as handguns in Canada.
In order to acquire one, you must pass a rigorous course to get your Restricted Possession & Acquisition License (RPAL).
Then, you are subjected to an intensive background check through the RCMP (CPIC).
That background check is repeated on your behalf DAILY for as long as you hold the RPAL. Yes. Daily.
The rifle (or handgun) in question must be Registered.
So, you apply for said registration to be transferred to you from the current owner / business.
Another background check.
If green-lighted, you are sent a Registration Certificate for said firearm.
Now you need an Authorization To Transport (ATT) the firearm from it's current location to your residence.
Another background check.
To be transported, the firearm must be trigger locked, and further secured in a locking hardshell gun case.
Once at home, the firearm must be secured in an adequate safe as described in related legislation.

Next up, you want to take it to the range.
Another ATT required. Another background check of course.
To the range and back must be in the straightest line possible (as it was previously to bring it home).
No deviations, no stopping to visit uncle Charlie, or grab a candy bar, or whatever.
Straight line, there, straight line back.
Once again, the firearm must be trigger locked, and further secured in a locking hardshell gun case.

VERY stringent. Any non-compliance and you will not only be charged, you will lose the privileged to own ANY firearms, including non-restricted.
The daily background checks are conducted to ensure there is nothing looming that would present cause for concern with you owning any of these firearms.
Reasonable? Yep. Detailed? Yep. Sufficient? Yep.
And something NO criminal is ever likely to embrace.

Again, this is simply NOT about gun or gang violence whatsoever.
It is simply a method for Trudeau to cater to his uneducated urban base, pandering to fears he himself created.
Virtue Signaling at it's finest.
For you see tackling the very real problems of illegal firearm acquisitions, illegal firearm use, mental health issues, and our overly leaky border would require actually coming up with a working plan, and acting decisively towards addressing those goals. Costly. A hell of a lengthy time span required, and not likely to collect the political points he wants in the immediate time-frame desired.

So, so go after the low-hanging fruit.
Target the most rigorously vetted members of society who have well indicated their extreme level of responsibility over the years.
Does it matter that not a single crime or criminal act will ever be effected by this move?
Hell No!
But hey, look, we did something...  ::)

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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2020, 05:01:32 PM »

Apparently (heard this from a coworker - so take it with a grain of salt, as I haven't had time to confirm it yet) most 10/12 gage shotguns are also included in this ban as well. (Pump action anyways). Can anyone confirm this?  :o
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2020, 08:08:46 PM »

Many shotty barrels are threaded at the end to accept screw in chokes. That threading can make the bore >20mm and therefore apparently fall under this ban. Yet to be seen how the govt will handle this.
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2020, 09:37:25 AM »

Whether by intent or simply blind ignorance, most modern 12 gauge shotguns that utilize screw-in chokes, and the majority of 10 gauge shotguns are now considered Prohibited Assault Weapons. The legalese can be found here:

https://www.csaaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/SOR2020-96-CSAAA-Legal-Opinion-re-12-gauge-shotguns.pdf

They now join a target 22 caliber rifle, and four bolt action rifles as well.

This is NOT about "assault weapons" whatsoever.

It IS all about CONTROL.

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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2020, 01:52:41 PM »

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-2574

This petition has taken off like a Rocket!
Over 80,000 signatures in the first 24 hours it has been out.
It is more than probable that this Parliamentary Petition will exceed the last one focused on this matter wherein it was recognized to be the largest number of Canadian signatures on such a petition ever.
With all that is happening, I suspect this one will literally blow the last one right out of the water for that title.

Again, there is much going on in this regard elsewhere.
And also again, any who are concerned or affected and want to know just what is being done as a result, feel free to contact me via pm.

Cheers,
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2020, 01:56:56 PM »

First Firearms Petition (the one that has set the highest number ever recorded) was presented to Parliament today:

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-2341
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Re: Federal government could act on gun control as early as Friday
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2020, 02:02:35 PM »

The NFA launches a second, somewhat parallel lawsuit against the Feds:

https://nfa.ca/2020/05/07/nfa-announces-support-court-challenge-to-liberal-gun-grab/
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