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RalphH

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Re: People cause climate change
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2018, 09:48:27 PM »

Not quite... Google accepts payment to have certain websites appear at the top of search results. I am not a climate change skeptic or have a belief in creationism yet when I google stuff like human evolution or climate change skeptic and creationist websites is what appears at the top of the search.

Google has over the years, dumbed down it's search parameters and it is harder to use even simple boolean operators ("and"', "if". "or" "not" etc) to find what you want.

Facts are the earths climate has gone up and down for longer than humans have been on this planet. I am not a scientist. Nor do I pretend to be one. I do however try my best to do my own research. We live in a time where google search results are delivered to every single individual thru a very complex maze of algorithms. The systems knows what you like, your political leanings, beliefs and even as I type its filling in the blanks. That type of thing. Search results given to an individual who is a believer in man made climate change will just reinforce those beliefs. While someone who is against it will have their beliefs reinforced with search results that counter. We have never lived in a time where we have so much data at our fingertips but yet been fed so much missinformation.

I dont know what to believe and I certainly dont care to be told what to believe that's for sure. I've always felt that these things are presented to working class people as the new age Dragon causing terror in the village. Tools used by the elite to distract people. Tools like climate change are used to further demonize human beings. Racism is another tool used to turn people against people. So are left and right political parties. All these things are used to distract us from the real enemy of human kind. The mega rich global elite families that control governments around the world for centuries.

... your 2nd paragraph was not hard to guess or unexpected given many of your previous posts. Haha

" It's not that I am not a racist, I just don't want to be called a racist!"
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Re: People cause climate change
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2018, 05:50:00 AM »

Not quite... Google accepts payment to have certain websites appear at the top of search results. I am not a climate change skeptic or have a belief in creationism yet when I google stuff like human evolution or climate change skeptic and creationist websites is what appears at the top of the search.

Google has over the years, dumbed down it's search parameters and it is harder to use even simple boolean operators ("and"', "if". "or" "not" etc) to find what you want.

... your 2nd paragraph was not hard to guess or unexpected given many of your previous posts. Haha

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The are called Google Ads. Been going on for a long time. My business pays for this.
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Re: People cause climate change
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2018, 07:08:41 AM »

I'm not sure if you're choosing ignorance, trolling or simply not aware of the widely accepted facts...

His avatar picture is from a card called "Incite" from a game called Magic the Gathering. Just like the Illuminati someone is bound to bring up in this thread, Robert hides clues about his affiliations in plain sight  :P
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Re: People cause climate change
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2018, 07:25:28 AM »

The are called Google Ads. Been going on for a long time. My business pays for this.

not just google ads. Where specific websites appear on the search list can be influenced - pushed up or in cases where people want something to 'disappear' pushed so far down they are unlikely to be seen.
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Re: People cause climate change
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2018, 08:32:13 AM »

They say in our lifetime we will probably see Atlantic salmon and Pacific salmon ranges meet in the arctic.

Pacific salmon appear to be expanding their range into Arctic ecosystems and may be acting as effective sentinels of climate change. Salmon harvests voluntarily reported through the Pacific Salmon Collection Program (PSCP) suggest recent increases in both the abundance and distribution of Pacific salmon in the Arctic over the past decade. In the Canadian western Arctic, chum salmon have been harvested annually since 1997 and more abundant harvests appear to have increased in frequency. Pink salmon harvest has increased from the sporadic catch of individual fish prior to 2003 to 41 pink salmon reported in 2004, 18 reported in 2008, three reported in 2011, and eight reported in 2012 (i.e., predominantly in even-numbered years). Recent reports also expand the known distribution of this species upstream in the Mackenzie River, eastward in the Beaufort Sea and one putative pink salmon was recorded off the east coast of Greenland. Since 2003, one kokanee, one coho, seven Chinook, and ten sockeye salmon have also been reported in the Mackenzie River watershed. Multiple fish identified by local subsistence harvesters as “unusual” were captured near Arctic Bay, Nunavut, in 2011 and 2012. Although abundance and distribution data obtained from voluntary harvest reports need to be interpreted with caution, Pacific salmon may be following thermally suitable habitat northward and benefiting from increased productivity in the Arctic. Reduced sea ice extent and longer durations of open water in the Arctic may also facilitate expanded marine migrations of juvenile and adult salmon. Efforts to document the harvest of Pacific salmon will continue. Pacific salmon may be demonstrating new marine pathways that facilitate the expansion of other similarly opportunistic species and, as such, may be harbingers highlighting major arctic changes.

(PDF) Pacific Salmon in the Arctic: Harbingers of Change. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272567234_Pacific_Salmon_in_the_Arctic_Harbingers_of_Change [accessed Sep 07 2018].

Salmon are showing up in the Arctic in record numbers
https://thenarwhal.ca/salmon-are-showing-up-in-the-arctic-in-record-numbers/

And it’s not just pink and chum salmon anymore: other southern species including coho, sockeye and Atlantic salmon are starting to show up as well.
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Re: People cause climate change
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2018, 08:44:17 AM »


The real question is how much is being caused by humans and how much is being caused by natural fluxuations. That's whats up for debate.


Its actually not up for debate anymore they have scientifically proven that based on historic trends and scientific evidence the earth should actually be in a cooling trend.  The fact that we are in a heating trend is 100% man made,
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Re: People cause climate change
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2018, 09:04:29 AM »

there are very few scientists in the specific field that are arguing that global warming that is specifically caused by human activity is not happening or even doubtful. This is usual as there are always holdouts in any scientific debate after a broad consensus is reached and the community basically has to wait until they die before the debate is finally silent.

The problem with the global warming/climate change debate has been that there have been so many charlatans and scientists with experience in other obliquely related fields who have taken a 'con' position and been given media attention far beyond what their expertise deserves.

There is some argument about the extent of the changes we will see over the next century with some saying it will be severe and likely unmanageable to relatively moderate and something that can be adapted to - if CO2 emissions are reduced - but there will be major impacts on standards of living world wide. 
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Re: People cause climate change
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2018, 12:28:10 PM »

Its actually not up for debate anymore they have scientifically proven that based on historic trends and scientific evidence the earth should actually be in a cooling trend.  The fact that we are in a heating trend is 100% man made,

I'm so avoiding this conversation because people are so set in their beliefs.  However, I want to 100% agree with this, sort of.  We are being told we are in a heating trend.  The last decade though temperatures have been going down though.  The data has been manipulated.  Plenty of evidence of data manipulation out there.  When there is money and power involved, anybody getting money or wanting money needs to be looked at with scrutiny.
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Re: People cause climate change
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2018, 12:34:19 PM »

The world is flat. Humans are playing no role in global warming. It’s the cow farts that are causing the high CO2 levels. We need to bag up those cow farts and send them up to space  ::) ::)

The belief that we humans have played no role is ignorant. You can’t argue with ignorance and stupidity, you’ll never win.
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Re: People cause climate change
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2018, 12:34:41 PM »

I'm so avoiding this conversation because people are so set in their beliefs.  However, I want to 100% agree with this, sort of.  We are being told we are in a heating trend.  The last decade though temperatures have been going down though.  The data has been manipulated.  Plenty of evidence of data manipulation out there.  When there is money and power involved, anybody getting money or wanting money needs to be looked at with scrutiny.

100%

Without Climate Change they wouldn't have a Carbox Tax ;)

A bullish!t tax. Revenue from that tax goes right into government coffers and offers nothing back to the development of new green technologies to help this so called problem.
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Re: People cause climate change
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2018, 12:49:01 PM »

100%

Without Climate Change they wouldn't have a Carbox Tax ;)

A bullish!t tax. Revenue from that tax goes right into government coffers and offers nothing back to the development of new green technologies to help this so called problem.

I’m by no means defending the carbon tax but New revenues generated from increasing the carbon tax will be used to

Provide carbon tax relief and protect affordability
Maintain industry competitiveness
Encourage new green initiatives

As per the government. The first one doesn’t even make sense. Charge a carbon tax on everything then give families a carbon tax rebate cheque. The second couldn’t be more vague.  Is the later happening, who knows. Hard to find stats in that.  Stats are saying though that because gas prices have gone up so much recently with a carbon tax adding to the costs that people are driving less and purchasing less gas therefore emitting less co2. Or it’s all just bs that we are being fed and the rich just get richer.
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Re: People cause climate change
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2018, 03:35:20 PM »

I'm so avoiding this conversation because people are so set in their beliefs.  However, I want to 100% agree with this, sort of.  We are being told we are in a heating trend.  The last decade though temperatures have been going down though.  The data has been manipulated.  Plenty of evidence of data manipulation out there.  When there is money and power involved, anybody getting money or wanting money needs to be looked at with scrutiny.

Yuk yuk, what BS. Is this manipulation part of  an Alex Jones conspiracy theory?

The last 2 record wildfire seasons in CS were no doubt due to manipulation as well.

NOAA has as an on line discussion paper on how the rising temperature trend slowed down from 1998 to 2012 compared to the previous 30 years but since 2012 the incremental rate has returned to what is was before '98.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/why-did-earth%E2%80%99s-surface-temperature-stop-rising-past-decade

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Re: People cause climate change
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2018, 04:31:14 PM »

His avatar picture is from a card called "Incite" from a game called Magic the Gathering. Just like the Illuminati someone is bound to bring up in this thread, Robert hides clues about his affiliations in plain sight  :P


Or perhaps I just saw this avatar in another forum and decided it was cool and I wanted to use for my own....but like most people here you've already made up your own assumptions....
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Re: People cause climate change
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2018, 07:27:49 PM »

I was an early advocate of global warming thanks to Al Gore. I was telling anybody who would listen that we were going to be roasted like a chicken. I admit was naive. I was expecting to see Vancouver waterfront homes and building swamped by rising waters. I waited 15 years, but it never happened.  I would go to Jericho Beach and English Bay weekly to check if the sea crept further up the beach. I did this for years. Nada. It's the same as it has been since I first went to those beaches as a kid in the 1960's. I thought for sure my home on Burnaby mountain would be the new water front 15 LOOONG years I waited. I felt duped. Now I picture Mr. Gore like the old man behind the curtain in the Wizard of the Oz.

Here's an interesting news I read a while back. Miami just approved a $10 Billion waterfront project. What is the significance of this project? Nothing really, except Miami's elevation is a measly 6 feet above sea level. One must  assume the banks are funding the project, or maybe rich Hedge fund managers or pension funds. One must also assume they are some of the most well connected and in-the-know people in the world. Do YOU believe these people would actually invest in such a project if they knew the ocean levels were truly rising? Just look around you in Vancouver. Are the rich well heeled people dumping their waterfront homes along West Point Grey?... for my new waterfront home?

My advice to all of you is live your life to the fullest and be thankful you get to live in such a beautiful part of the world. I am neither a believer nor a skeptic. I just let go of the noise and went on to live my life.
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Re: People cause climate change
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2018, 07:42:57 PM »

I was an early advocate of global warming thanks to Al Gore. I was telling anybody who would listen that we were going to be roasted like a chicken. I admit was naive. I was expecting to see Vancouver waterfront homes and building swamped by rising waters. I waited 15 years, but it never happened.  I would go to Jericho Beach and English Bay weekly to check if the sea crept further up the beach. I did this for years. Nada. It's the same as it has been since I first went to those beaches as a kid in the 1960's. I thought for sure my home on Burnaby mountain would be the new water front 15 LOOONG years I waited. I felt duped. Now I picture Mr. Gore like the old man behind the curtain in the Wizard of the Oz.

Here's an interesting news I read a while back. Miami just approved a $10 Billion waterfront project. What is the significance of this project? Nothing really, except Miami's elevation is a measly 6 feet above sea level. One must  assume the banks are funding the project, or maybe rich Hedge fund managers or pension funds. One must also assume they are some of the most well connected and in-the-know people in the world. Do YOU believe these people would actually invest in such a project if they knew the ocean levels were truly rising? Just look around you in Vancouver. Are the rich well heeled people dumping their waterfront homes along West Point Grey?... for my new waterfront home?

My advice to all of you is live your life to the fullest and be thankful you get to live in such a beautiful part of the world. I am neither a believer nor a skeptic. I just let go of the noise and went on to live my life.

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