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Re: Re Fraser River Opening for Chinook Fishing
« Reply #61 on: August 24, 2017, 04:41:04 PM »

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Re: Re Fraser River Opening for Chinook Fishing
« Reply #63 on: August 26, 2017, 11:43:46 PM »

They have tried selective openings before only to have the bars lined with people tossing bouncing bettys with 13 ft leaders.
If they gave another opening the same would happen again.
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Re: Re Fraser River Opening for Chinook Fishing
« Reply #64 on: August 27, 2017, 07:35:21 AM »

They have tried selective openings before only to have the bars lined with people tossing bouncing bettys with 13 ft leaders.
If they gave another opening the same would happen again.
This had certainly not helped the situation, of course a few of us started discussing this topic many years ago, was a yearly topic on FWR and other forums. Saying that many groups have been trying to get FOC to bring in a 3 foot leader restriction or fixed rod only for many years now but FOC has resisted. Makes one think they just would like to see us off the river. I guess we have seen the best of it but I feel bad for younger anglers who do not get the enjoyment we old guys once had.

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Re: Re Fraser River Opening for Chinook Fishing
« Reply #65 on: August 27, 2017, 09:38:54 AM »

This had certainly not helped the situation, of course a few of us started discussing this topic many years ago, was a yearly topic on FWR and other forums. Saying that many groups have been trying to get FOC to bring in a 3 foot leader restriction or fixed rod only for many years now but FOC has resisted. Makes one think they just would like to see us off the river. I guess we have seen the best of it but I feel bad for younger anglers who do not get the enjoyment we old guys once had.

Yep the letter sums it up quite clearly

"We appreciate that some anglers choose to fish selectively; however, where regulations are not in place, DFO Conservation and Protection (C&P) staff are unable to take enforcement action, and C&P must manage staff resources to ensure monitoring and enforcement of existing regulations is prioritized."

IT would probably take a fixed weight and leader restriction but who knows

Rieber has convinced me that the angling comunity would just do what ever it takes to floss. He seems to know every method know to man. Good example of why to keep it closed

I also get tired of old timers telling me to keep it close and about conservation. I can count on 2 hands the amount of salmon ive taken. Hard to take advice from the old timers who contributed in destroying the resource.

Rod says to go find other placed to fish, easy for him I suppose. I could rant on about everything but I am passed the anger phase this season and now just depressed.  Glad me and my son went to hatchery even this spring, at least he got to experience the beauty of the resource in someway.
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Re: Re Fraser River Opening for Chinook Fishing
« Reply #66 on: August 27, 2017, 02:56:56 PM »

They have tried selective openings before only to have the bars lined with people tossing bouncing bettys with 13 ft leaders.

To be fair there has never been a selective opening, firm words 'discouraging' non-selective techniques are basically useless. Management by suggestion doesnt really work.

It would be like asking people to not use roe without instituting a bait ban, or to ask people to catch and release yet leaving the retention limit at 4. Good luck with that.

Sure, no doubt some people would absolutely comply, and good on them, but others either wouldn't care or legitimately dont understand the rationale behind the request and will just continue on business as usual.  I sure dont blame them either. Not everyone is a fishing expert, they probably think if something really was bad there would be some rule against it right?
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Re: Re Fraser River Opening for Chinook Fishing
« Reply #67 on: August 27, 2017, 04:56:46 PM »

Same old banter though. Bottom line is as much as I don't practice or support this method of "fishing",Bouncing Bettie's didn't wipe out the Salmon. Nets did. Climate change did. Seals. Any or all of the above, Not a few lucky weekend warriors with their Crappy Tire rods and their limits of salmon.
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Re: Re Fraser River Opening for Chinook Fishing
« Reply #68 on: August 27, 2017, 09:21:03 PM »

They have tried selective openings before only to have the bars lined with people tossing bouncing bettys with 13 ft leaders.
If they gave another opening the same would happen again.

Anyone who thinks we are not on the river because of our 'methods of fishing' is naïve.
The reason we are not on the river is because of politics (people in charge giving into pressure from a special interest group)...period...plain and simple...case closed. 
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Re: Re Fraser River Opening for Chinook Fishing
« Reply #69 on: August 27, 2017, 09:52:13 PM »

Anyone who thinks we are not on the river because of our 'methods of fishing' is naïve.
The reason we are not on the river is because of politics (people in charge giving into pressure from a special interest group)...period...plain and simple...case closed.

X2. DFO and its scientists are not dumb to know that the mortality rate from accident catch of the recreational sector is really nothing compared to the NETS from the other two user groups. There is simply no proof that any sector of the recreational fishing can hurt the stock as a bycatch. We are used as political pawn to get the other group(s) off the water (officially at least). So doesn't matter how you present it to DFO, it is falling on deaf ears.
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Re: Re Fraser River Opening for Chinook Fishing
« Reply #70 on: August 28, 2017, 08:53:35 AM »

well perhaps that what we get for being flaming head racists most of the time...

on a lighter note - it looks like the FN in river fisheries wrap up on the 31st  & none are scheduled for the week ending Sept 10th; which is a good sign for the possible opening of the river for the long weekend.

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Re: Re Fraser River Opening for Chinook Fishing
« Reply #71 on: August 28, 2017, 09:55:22 AM »

well perhaps that what we get for being flaming head racists most of the time...


Yep, Don't need Sports Fishermen throwing bouncing betties, hooks and lures at them. Don't need sports fishermen doing "citizen patrols" up and down the river. Don't need sports fishermen fishing at night, Don't need them getting there grandmas and wife shipping there limits home all day. Don't need to hear about countless sports fishermen fishing with barbs hooks and kicking their salmon on the beach.

There is a PSC meeting today I am expecting to here good things coming out of it. Cross your fingers
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Re: Re Fraser River Opening for Chinook Fishing
« Reply #72 on: August 28, 2017, 12:59:54 PM »

Commercial openings have all sorts of gear restricts from troll vs gill net to mesh size on nets, etc, etc.  no reason it cant be done for rec anglers too.

I would love to see gear restrictions designed to limit flossing become a common part of all sports fisheries....not just the fraser in the summer. 

my 2c.

Also need better definitions of hooking a fish.  in Oregon and Washington when I looked at the regs ages ago there was verbiage like "entice a strike" vs "hook a fish" and INSIDE the mouth vs in the mouth.
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Re: Re Fraser River Opening for Chinook Fishing
« Reply #73 on: August 28, 2017, 01:10:13 PM »

  I still can not get it how you close river  to protect chinook but at the same time hundreds Fraser fish taking from the salt  ???
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Re: Re Fraser River Opening for Chinook Fishing
« Reply #74 on: August 28, 2017, 02:31:39 PM »

Yep the letter sums it up quite clearly

"We appreciate that some anglers choose to fish selectively; however, where regulations are not in place, DFO Conservation and Protection (C&P) staff are unable to take enforcement action, and C&P must manage staff resources to ensure monitoring and enforcement of existing regulations is prioritized."

IT would probably take a fixed weight and leader restriction but who knows

Rieber has convinced me that the angling comunity would just do what ever it takes to floss. He seems to know every method know to man. Good example of why to keep it closed

I also get tired of old timers telling me to keep it close and about conservation. I can count on 2 hands the amount of salmon ive taken. Hard to take advice from the old timers who contributed in destroying the resource.

Rod says to go find other placed to fish, easy for him I suppose. I could rant on about everything but I am passed the anger phase this season and now just depressed.  Glad me and my son went to hatchery even this spring, at least he got to experience the beauty of the resource in someway.

So ask yourself, "Why is there so much resistance to change the Regulations?" For years there's been the cry to limit leader lengths as a positive step to stop flossing - no changes yet and now DFO C&R says they can't take action. Of course you can't take action because flossing is not against the law. Until it's called out in the Regulations and there is an open season, there will be flossing. Some form of Flossing will "exist" anywhere there is moving water.

Nice you think calling me out personally helps you justify your opinion - good on you if that helps you sleep. Personally, I haven't had the luxury or pleasure of bottom bouncing for several years. I'm just not interested as there is no salmon left to bounce for. Plus I haven't had a river boat for years and I'm not going to the walk-in river bars anymore. I really enjoyed bottom bouncing and the whole crazy social aspect of that river bar game but there was a request to stop long leader bottom bouncing and I stopped. Heck, my drift gear is posted for sale - I'm not going to use it anymore in any capacity.

So, in my opinion, if there truly is a short coming of salmon, keep it closed this year and change the Regulations. Open it again whenever the numbers and conditions justify an opening - but not before the Reg's are changed and the Law is in place to stop the long leader business.

You can change all you can dream of in the Rivers, this is still a drop in the bucket when these Super Trawlers wipe out entire runs. Were there not two reported Super Trawlers that the Coast Guard escorted out of BC's salmon waters? Commercial overfishing relative to the actual seasonal fish stocks? When a fisherman hits the river to catch salmon, he's going to want to stay to catch his limit of 2 sockeye - does it really matter if he catches 2 sockeye by bottom bouncing or if he catches his limit of 2 sockeye by flyfishing? The end result is the same. I really don't care if someone chooses to bottom bounce or flyfish as long as both methods are deemed to be legal. I don't care if Natives are catching their sockeye with a net - as long as it's deemed to be legal. I don't care how Jimmy Pattison catches his fish - as long as it's legal.

None of this even matters if the salmon stocks are not managed correctly. The recreational salmon fisherman is so small in this entire mess yet you still try focus on the smallest factor and make the biggest noise about it. Give your head a shake and stop trying to punish or restrict the Recreational fishermen.



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