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rheticus

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Another open-net salmon farm outrage: Now it's dead whales!
« on: November 19, 2016, 09:32:15 AM »

As if Marine Harvest and its ilk don't do enough damage to wild salmon stocks!
http://www.news1130.com/2016/11/19/humpback-found-dead-near-campbell-river/
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Re: Another open-net salmon farm outrage: Now it's dead whales!
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2016, 09:50:24 AM »

Does fisheries have any rules about dismantling these places if not in use ? or are they partly to blame for not caring.
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Re: Another open-net salmon farm outrage: Now it's dead whales!
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2016, 11:03:09 AM »

Just wait for the feedlot apologists to start trumpeting other cases where whales die from fishing activities - Because that makes it alright! :o ::)
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Re: Another open-net salmon farm outrage: Now it's dead whales!
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2016, 01:53:49 PM »

Do a search "Dolphins caught in gill nets", no one seems to know or care about this. Think about all the gill nets used along the B.C. coast each year.

How can you point the finger at one business but allow another to continue with no notice?
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Re: Another open-net salmon farm outrage: Now it's dead whales!
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2016, 03:34:03 PM »

To deplore the negligence of one industry is not to excuse the negligence of another. Who said it was? This particular dead humpback whale happened to be in the news today, and the fact of its death points to the deplorable negligence of a particular foreign industry that's damaging other things in our waters as well. It makes no sense to say "Shut up about any particular evil unless you list all the others"!
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Re: Another open-net salmon farm outrage: Now it's dead whales!
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2016, 04:19:09 PM »

Do a search "Dolphins caught in gill nets", no one seems to know or care about this. Think about all the gill nets used along the B.C. coast each year.

How can you point the finger at one business but allow another to continue with no notice?
Thanks for this SPEYMAN ... I did this google search for Dolphins and added a few others, all deaths attributed to legal commercial fishing.  As you say, this seems to be something not really talked about.  Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

http://wildwhales.org/conservation/threats/entanglement/
https://www.worldanimalprotection.org/sites/default/files/int_files/sea-change-campaign-tackling-ghost-fishing-gear_0.pdf
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/maritimeaffairs_fisheries/consultations/driftnet/contributions/doc/11-b-birdlife-international-last-en-20130628_en.pdf

 
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Re: Another open-net salmon farm outrage: Now it's dead whales!
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2016, 11:23:15 PM »

Again, I'm surprised that this makes such headlines and stirs up so much criticism from fish farm critics meanwhile this entanglement of cetaceans is common here and elsewhere in the world.....and none of these critics say boo about it. Instead, they use it as a rallying cry to remove net pens from the ocean because they are killing and injuring too many cetaceans. I don't think we should dismiss what happened here, but if critics are going to suddenly embrace this issue to save and protect cetaceans from unintentional entanglement in nets then you can't just look at one industry and point fingers while the other has a very extensive record worldwide for this same thing. Let Google be your guide on this one. Cetaceans being incidentally captured in commercial nets is worldwide, but the folks at Salmon Are Sacred have developed tunnel vision and just focused on aquaculture. Are they conservationists all the time or do they choose to be at certain times - depending on who the offending party is?

However, when you have commercial fisheries here pledging support to Mrs Morton (i.e. commercial fishers against fish farms Facebook page) and that same support being returned (i.e. Morton didn't condemn recent illegal commercial fishing this summer on threatened stocks and instead criticized DFO for taking action) then it starts to make more sense, in my opinion. One needs to look out for the other. Whales are meerly a pawn because if these critics truly were concerned about them then we would see equal effort with the industry that shoulders most of the responsibility.

Another thing that was mentioned in the article that Morton didn't pick up on (or ignored) was that the farm "site" in question was not active at the time. However, following the tradition from the new US President Elect, Morton has decided to divert from the facts to go on a rant about how these whales are attracted to these net pens because of the feed which attracts the herring.

What was a good question was do Fisheries have any rules about dismantling these places if not in use and if they are partly to blame.  I don't know, but I would have to say that having these incidents happen can't be in anyone's best interests - government, industry, conservationists, the general public or the cetaceans. Damage to these sites costs the industry money and it's not inexpensive sending out crews from the department to rescue these cetaceans.  Hopefully, there is something learned from this which can prevent this from happening again, but the important thing is that this issue goes beyond the aquaculture industry and includes the commercial fishing industry also.
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Re: Another open-net salmon farm outrage: Now it's dead whales!
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2016, 10:26:14 PM »

--Ghost nets and by-catch were reasons given to got to farms.  Bummer either way.
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Re: Another open-net salmon farm outrage: Now it's dead whales!
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2016, 10:14:41 PM »

It looks like Marine Harvest is taking action already.

http://www.campbellrivermirror.com/news/402297925.html
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Re: Another open-net salmon farm outrage: Now it's dead whales!
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2016, 09:20:42 AM »

http://globalnews.ca/news/3099867/another-humpback-whale-dies-on-b-c-s-west-coast-after-being-caught-in-fish-farm-nets/


Looks like this "This is the first time in 16 years of operating that Grieg Seafood has experienced an incident involving a whale at any of its farms in B.C. " is going to be a going concern. Until fishfarms start fessing up that when witnesses are around this does indeed happen more than once in 16 years. Shat them out of the water onto land based operations.
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Re: Another open-net salmon farm outrage: Now it's dead whales!
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2016, 11:22:05 AM »

Jeremy Dunn, executive director of the B.C. Salmon Farmers Association was on CBC radio this AM, talk about not answering the questions by Rick Cluff and all the denial as well. Sounds like the PAPG boys on this forum. :P

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Re: Another open-net salmon farm outrage: Now it's dead whales!
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2016, 03:01:58 PM »

Just wait for the feedlot apologists to start trumpeting other cases where whales die from fishing activities - Because that makes it alright! :o ::)
One more but wait for the same trumpets.....
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Re: Another open-net salmon farm outrage: Now it's dead whales!
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2016, 05:50:20 PM »

No one wants to see dead whales attributed to salmon farms.  If you listen to farm spokespeople they are working on ways and collaborating with whale experts to stop these mortalities.
The problem seems to be Humpbacks don't have the sonar capabilities as other whales, and because the population is increasing this will probably be a continuing problem until solutions are found.


"Humpbacks are particularly at risk from fish farm equipment because they do not have bio-sonar like toothed whales, Hildering said. This makes it less likely they will avoid the equipment when they're diving for food.

Fish farm industry leaders plan to meet with experts from Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) next month to discuss the recent entanglements and work on ways to prevent them, Dunn said.
"The experts are telling us there are significantly more humpback whales in the environment, and our farmers need to learn more about the whales," he said. "If DFO determines that there should be some changes made to the infrastructure of the farms, I think our members will certainly do that."




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Re: Another open-net salmon farm outrage: Now it's dead whales!
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2016, 06:00:53 PM »

No one wants to see dead whales attributed to salmon farms.  If you listen to farm spokespeople they are working on ways and collaborating with whale experts to stop these mortalities.
The problem seems to be Humpbacks don't have the sonar capabilities as other whales, and because the population is increasing this will probably be a continuing problem until solutions are found.


"Humpbacks are particularly at risk from fish farm equipment because they do not have bio-sonar like toothed whales, Hildering said. This makes it less likely they will avoid the equipment when they're diving for food.

Fish farm industry leaders plan to meet with experts from Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) next month to discuss the recent entanglements and work on ways to prevent them, Dunn said.
"The experts are telling us there are significantly more humpback whales in the environment, and our farmers need to learn more about the whales," he said. "If DFO determines that there should be some changes made to the infrastructure of the farms, I think our members will certainly do that."

'If DFO determines that there should be some changes made to the infrastructure of the farms"

Put them on land. Problem solved. And the one defense I find pretty porous is the pollution argument. If it's deleterious on land, what in the name of Great Aunt Agnes is it doing to the ocean?


"I think our members will certainly do that."

Think? No thinking involved - just DO IT.
Nothing like a black eye to spur some action that MUST be done.
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