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[RalphH]

There is more and more experience that if FNs get both a say and benefits in various kinds of resource use, they are more inclined to opt in than out.

[Dave]

There is more and more experience that if FNs get both a say and benefits in various kinds of resource use, they are more inclined to opt in than out.

Agreed, and I do think we will be seeing FN partnerships with sports fishing developing soon. If FN are successful in purchasing the TMP, the sky will be the limit.

[aquapaloosa]

Agreed, and I do think we will be seeing FN partnerships with sports fishing developing soon. If FN are successful in purchasing the TMP, the sky will be the limit.

And that will be the end of green groups using canadian indigenous groups to do their dirty work.

[wildmanyeah]

Traditionally First Nations were much more involved in the C/V steelhead harvest, from both the FSC perspective and the sports sector. It wasn't uncommon to hire a first nation guide to take you up river on horseback.  It also wasn't uncommon for them to set nylon nets in both the fraser and C/V in the winter to harvest steelhead.

If the Stolo wanted to they could get a quota tomorrow, That's just a fact.  They could probably even get a commercial quota as the SCC has ruled that the government is not justified in putting a recreation harvest ahead of FN FSC or FSC commercial. 

Add this fish farm case to the list and have the SCC set a president over traditional territories and the sky's the limit.  The future is here chris it will happen in our lifetime.


Paragraph 8 (g) Addressing the General Unjustified Infringement in Priority
in Allocation

The Court also found that Canada unjustifiably infringed the Five Nations’
exercising of their rights by giving priority in allocation to the recreational fishery
over their rights.

To address this unjustified infringement, DFO proposes the following remedy:
Where possible, DFO will, as a general principle take, the Five Nations’
commercial allocations as shares of the Canadian Total Allowable Catch (CTAC)
(i.e. after FSC and First Nations Treaty Allocations) in fisheries that have a
CTAC. By taking their share from the CTAC instead of the commercial TAC, DFO
provides the Five Nations with access that is not affected by the access provided
to the recreational fishery

For Coho, as there is no TAC to provide a share, DFO will provide the Five
Nations with a fixed allocation with priority over the recreational fishery. This
allocation will not be varied unless there is a conservation concern.

In the longer term, DFO is conducting a broader review of the entire Salmon
Allocation Policy to reconsider how allocations are assigned between all
Aboriginal rights holders and stakeholders. In the conduct of this review, DFO will
also address the court’s general direction on the Five Nations’ priority in
allocation over the recreational fishery in that policy.

[Dave]

And that will be the end of green groups using canadian indigenous groups to do their dirty work.

That will be a grand day.

[Fisherbob]

And that will be the end of green groups using canadian indigenous groups to do their dirty work.

I would think so also but the elected chiefs and the hereditary chiefs will have to work together. Sad to say but I do not see that happening any time soon.

[wildmanyeah]

I would think so also but the elected chiefs and the hereditary chiefs will have to work together. Sad to say but I do not see that happening any time soon.

Sad part is most people don't understand first nation politics. Hereditary chiefs making a stink about issues is typically because they are trying to get support from their band members so they get votes for future council positions.

It our world we would call in the official opposition.  Media fails in making this clear in a lot of instances because they dont understand First Nation politics.

[Novabonker]

That will be a grand day.

Love ya brother but how about eliminating the self serving bullshjt and propaganda  the feed lots put out. If you think all of that is gospel, well........

[Dave]

Nova, you're back!!   Hope all is well!

feedlots again, lol!

[wildmanyeah]

Love ya brother but how about eliminating the self serving bullshjt and propaganda  the feed lots put out. If you think all of that is gospel, well........

I have read Dave's posts for the last couple of years and he certainly does not take the "feedlot propaganda" as gospel.  However if we did just stick to science and not the social media sensation stuff the anti fish farm people would have very little to share.

As for ENGO's using First Nations to do their dirty work, First Nations have a name for it its called redwashing

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/environmentalists-red-wash-their-fight-against-pipeline-first-nation-chief-says

https://www.seawestnews.com/when-the-salmon-dont-return-they-have-a-name-for-it/

[Novabonker]

I got as far as the offer of security jobs. Wouldn't  it be  much more beneficial  to offer trades training  as a carrot instead of low paying security McJobs?

[chris gadsden]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-salmon-farming-lawsuit-1.4976042

[wildmanyeah]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-salmon-farming-lawsuit-1.4976042

Chris did you read the court document? it has more to do with salmon harvesting rights then aquacultural ones.  Looks to me like they are asking for similar to what the 5 nations got on WCVI.

Chris thank you soo much for this, this proves what i have said all along that this invovles more then just fish farms.

Relief sought
1. The plaintiff claims the following relief:

a. In respect of eulachon:

i. A declaration that the Dzawada?enuxw have an Aboriginal right to
harvest eulachon for food, ceremonial and social purposes within the
area depicted on the map in Appendix A (the ?Rights Area?);

ii. A declaration that the Dzawada?enuxw have an Aboriginal right to
exchange eulachon for other goods on a limited basis and to harvest
eulachon for that purpose within the Rights Area;

A declaration that the Dzawada?enuxw have an Aboriginal right to
manage the eulachon ?sheries within the Rights Area;

b. In respect of Coho, Chum (aka Chinook (aka ?Spring?), Pink and
Sockeye salmon (collectively the ?Sahnon Species?):

i. A declaration that the Dzawada?enuxw have an Aboriginal right to
harvest the Salmon Species for food, ceremonial and social purposes
within the Rights Area;

ii. A declaration that the Dzawada?enuxw have an Aboriginal right to
exchange the Salmon Species for money or goods on a limited basis
and to harvest the Salmon Species for that purpose within the Rights
Area;

A declaration that the Dzawada?enuxw have an Aboriginal right to
manage the Salmon Species ?sheries within the Rights Area;

c. A declaration that the Defendant has infringed the Dzawada?enuxw?s
Aboriginal rights in respect of eulachon by issuing each of the following
Fin?sh aquaculture licenses (collectively the ?Fin?sh Licences?):

i. License No. AQFF 115202 2016/2022 Burdwood Group, Raleigh
Passage, issued to Cermaq Canada Ltd.;

ii. License No. AQFF 115208 2016/2022 Cecil Island, Greenway

Sound, issued to Cermaq Canada Ltd.;

 License No. AQFF 115201 2016/2022 Cliff Bay Simoom Sound
Wishart Peninsula, issued to Cermaq Canada Ltd.;
iv. License No. AQFF 115213 2016/2022 Cypress Hrbr, Harbour PT,
Sutlej Channel, issued to Cermaq Canada Ltd.;
v. License No. AQFF 115309 2016/2022 Glacial Falls, Watson Cove,
Tribune Channel, issued to Marine Harvest Canada Inc.;
vi. License No. AQFF 115209 2016/2022 Maude Island, SE
Broughton 15., issued to Cermaq Canada Ltd.;
vii. License No. AQFF 115233 2016/2022 Midsummer Island, Spring
Passage, issued to Marine Harvest Canada Inc.;
License No. AQFF 115316 2016/2022 Potts Bay, Midsummer
Island, issued to Marine Harvest Canada Inc.;
ix. License No. AQFF 115214 2016/2022 Sir Edmund Bay, NE Shore
Boughton Inlet, issued to Cermaq Canada Ltd.; and
x. License No. AQFF 115327 2016/2022 - Wicklow Point, Broughton
Island, issued to Marine Harvest Canada Inc.
d. A declaration that the Defendant has infringed the Dzawada?enuxw?s
Aboriginal rights in respect of the Salmon Species by issuing each of the
Licenses;
e. An order quashing the Fin?sh Licenses; and
f. Such further and other relief as this Honourable Court deems just.

[Dave]

Where's the palm face slap icon when you need it

[chris gadsden]

Where's the palm face slap icon when you need it

Join in with the singing and drumming Dave.
 I will have all the speeches I recorded for you to dissect and PAP soon. https://youtu.be/D8YVK2wc9SI