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typhoon

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Re: Would you keep a mis-clipped?
« Reply #90 on: March 09, 2012, 10:59:55 AM »


I agree to an extent, but because they rely on much needed volunteer work, i would be hard pressed to criticize nor magnify the flaws in their methods. I would rather see an adaptation of the Adipose Recognition Program which is now in place in some States.
Can you provide some more information on the Adipose Recognition Program?
BC could consider adopting an already working policy.
My web search came up empty.
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Re: Would you keep a mis-clipped?
« Reply #91 on: March 09, 2012, 12:24:01 PM »

racking my brains out trying to remember which fishery website i came across with this specific program, but here's another discussion forum that mentions and posts the chart (which some are debating). the chart itself is legit because i've come across it many times before and i believe it's origins were from the ODFW booklet from the 1980's.

http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=114552
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Re: Would you keep a mis-clipped?
« Reply #92 on: March 09, 2012, 12:52:44 PM »

racking my brains out trying to remember which fishery website i came across with this specific program, but here's another discussion forum that mentions and posts the chart (which some are debating). the chart itself is legit because i've come across it many times before and i believe it's origins were from the ODFW booklet from the 1980's.

http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=114552

It pretty much mirrors this thread. I think we have agreed that a fish like Rod's is a misclip but that even in Oregon you could still be cited for it as a wild fish.
Here is the chart for those not clicking through:


Note that only (A) is considered legal in Oregon.
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Re: Would you keep a mis-clipped?
« Reply #93 on: March 09, 2012, 01:21:24 PM »

With that you are absolutely correct. I do believe at one point our Regulation Booklet also had this chart as a guideline for identifying a hatchery marked fish (using diagram A as the norm). I remember as a young teen seeing something like this in the late 70's / early 80's. Maybe someone who was as an adult at that time can recall.

Thanks for posting the chart...for some stupid reason i couldn't post it through the reply page...this is the reason I don't post photos under the Report Section.  ::)
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Re: Would you keep a mis-clipped?
« Reply #94 on: March 09, 2012, 01:34:46 PM »

If you can click onto the discussion forum which was dated back in 2006, you'll come across a gentleman cited for a mis-clip salmon (photo included) who was getting ready to go to court, but before he had a chance, the trooper who cited him decided to revoke his citation. Why?.... probably because the department was advised they would lose in court and could face a civil law suit for fining the gentleman and making him pay bail to get out of jail.
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Re: Would you keep a mis-clipped?
« Reply #95 on: March 09, 2012, 02:17:36 PM »

It pretty much mirrors this thread. I think we have agreed that a fish like Rod's is a misclip but that even in Oregon you could still be cited for it as a wild fish.
Here is the chart for those not clicking through:


Note that only (A) is considered legal in Oregon.

For the record, I personally wouldn't keep anything other than diagram A and B....I would even think twice over diagram 'C'  (only because of the controversy revolving this issue).

If I were to give any advice... Make damn well sure, you have a case of high probability on your side.

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Re: Would you keep a mis-clipped?
« Reply #96 on: March 09, 2012, 02:52:30 PM »

how frustrating.  >:(

after several emails to DFO Canada and several request (by them) for more information on specifics like region, city, river system, etc. and a detailed account of the nature of the debate and confusion, they directed me to contact our local jurisdiction for clarification...WTF??? I already told them of my contacts, but it seems they don't want to take accountability...It's like trying to get a dog to stop chasing it's tail!


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Re: Would you keep a mis-clipped?
« Reply #97 on: March 09, 2012, 02:57:20 PM »

LOL...what a waste of time...They wouldn't even respond to a request I made for their best opinion and advice dealing with this matter.

What they sent me was a crock...nothing more than a directory page.
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Re: Would you keep a mis-clipped?
« Reply #98 on: March 09, 2012, 03:27:42 PM »

LOL...what a waste of time...They wouldn't even respond to a request I made for their best opinion and advice dealing with this matter.

What they sent me was a crock...nothing more than a directory page.

ditto!
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Re: Would you keep a mis-clipped?
« Reply #99 on: March 09, 2012, 11:18:37 PM »

DNA samples are being taken regularly now but as you mention Sandy, there is scant baseline data to compare this to.  No doubt there are old scale samples archived somewhere but if their storage was not optimal they may be useless for accurate comparisons. 
Are there still pure wild steelhead in the Chilliwack?  I don't think anyone can say for sure but I can tell you this - the fish we observe spawning during our enumerations certainly act as wild as any other salmonids we have seen. 

Apologies for bouncing this thread around but the paper at the following link is relevant to issues brought up by Dave and others ... http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1752-4571.2011.00198.x/full
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