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[Sandman]

Budweiser, for example, is actually one of the worst beers out there. 

Sorry, Sam, but I hear Anheuser-Busch is going to launch a $150 000 defamation lawsuit against you.

[Sam6140]

lol.. look up Budweiser and see the rash of complaints and harsh criticism.   Especially the American Budweiser (brewed by Anheuser-Busch) - which has got it's nickname "Headache in a can."   Budweiser here is only slightly better and brewed by Labatt.

[Sandman]

lol.. look up Budweiser and see the rash of complaints and harsh criticism.   Especially the American Budweiser (brewed by Anheuser-Busch) - which has got it's nickname "Headache in a can."   Budweiser here is only slightly better and brewed by Labatt.

Sorry, I forgot the sarcasm emoticon 

[Sam6140]

of course I know you were kidding, just thought I'd share more info. lol

[alwaysfishn]

Interesting website.....  http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/SeafoodWatch/web/sfw_factsheet.aspx?fid=133

"Our scientists research government reports, journal articles and white papers. They also contact fishery and fish farm experts. After a thorough review, we apply our sustainability criteria to develop an in-depth Seafood Watch Report. All of our reports are reviewed by a panel of experts from academia, government and the seafood industry and are available on our website. From our reports, we create our seafood recommendations.

Our website offers a complete list of Seafood Watch recommendations, with background information."

[JPW]

Very interesting.  I think the biggest challenge would be correctly identifying the fish you're purchasing (there seems to be rampant mislabeling) and even if that information is correct, knowing specifically where it was from and how it was harvested could be very difficult to determine.

[aquapaloosa]

Even YOGA is now bad for you says yoga expert!

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/top-picks/dont-do-yoga/#clip599373

[Sandman]

Even YOGA is now bad for you says yoga expert!

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/top-picks/dont-do-yoga/#clip599373

not sure how this got here...but is that what he said?

[alwaysfishn]

Apparently Canadian farmed salmon isn't   so   as bad......   

The American Heart Association recommends eating fish, especially fatty fish such as salmon, at least twice a week to ensure you get plenty of heart-healthy omega 3 fatty acids. Fresh or farmed: Dr. Jampolis revisits her answer

To get a few more answers for you, I consulted Jane Houlihan, senior vice president for research of the Environmental Working Group, a nonprofit organization that has examined this subject in detail. She told me the following:

"Nearly all salmon Americans eat are farm-raised -- grown in dense-packed pens near ocean shores, fed fish meal that can be polluted with toxic PCB chemicals, awash in excrement flushed out to sea and infused with antibiotics to combat unsanitary conditions. Some salmon are raised on farms that use more sustainable methods, but you can't tell from the packaging.

Eating farmed salmon occasionally is not a great health concern, but risks can add up if you eat salmon often. But the long-term environmental damage caused by the industry is substantial. We recommend wild salmon over farmed whenever possible."

A 2003 report by the EWG showed that farmed salmon in the U.S. has the highest levels of PCBs, toxic man-made chemicals, so Canadian salmon may be slightly better. I suggest that you limit farmed salmon consumption to once a week at most if you are unable to find fresh, wild salmon. In addition, trim the skin and fat as much as possible and use cooking methods such as grilling and boiling to reduce fat, as this is where the toxics are stored.

[chris gadsden]

And the debate goes on. I would suggest readers locate a book "A Stain Upon the Sea," a 2004 publication that believe it or not is still current. It is written by local people (Stephen Hume,Alexandra Morton, Betty Keller,Rosella Leslie, Otto Langer, Don Saniford). After reading this book I have not eaten nor supported  farmed salmon.

Thanks Terry, just picked up a copy in the library. After reading some already, it is verifying what I have believed the last while.

[troutbreath]

"Corona beers are pure crap, and they're known to make people feel drowsy and tired, and cause headaches.  They're a total downer of a beer."


Probably why Mexico is so screwed up right now.    

But for me a German or a host of other European beers hit the spot. Budweiser is swill for eating them wretched dirty fish aka farmed salmon. Like most American beers.  

[alwaysfishn]

http://www.intl-ecogen.com/newspaper.html

"In her initial study, Jacobs looked at 10 Scottish farmed salmon and two wild fish. She found harmful dioxin levels significantly higher in the former variety. So high, in fact, that eating just one 3.5-ounce portion would exceed the weekly maximum acceptable dose of dioxins in Britain.

In his soon-to-be-published study, Easton studied four farmed and four wild salmon. He found the levels of polychlorinated byphenals, pesticides like DDT and other toxic substances in farmed salmon were 10 times higher than the levels in the wild salmon.

The levels are still well within Canadian safety standards, he said in an interview, but come close to exceeding the World Health Organization's recommendation for tolerable daily intake. He noted that the WHO standards were upgraded in 1998 and argues that Health Canada's guidelines are too low. "

No wonder Staniford compares fish farm companies to cigarette manufacturing companies....

[alwaysfishn]

Because of what they feed it, farmed salmon has only about 25% of the Vitamin D that wild salmon has.

 Type of Fish           Vitamin D (IU)
 Salmon, Farmed     240 ± 108
 Salmon, Wild             988 ± 524

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2698592/pdf/nihms20896.pdf

[alwaysfishn]

Oceanwise is an agency that was set up by the Vancouver Aquarium and has a growing following of restaurants, suppliers and consumers. They have strict criteria for the seafood recommendations they make, based on whether the product is sustainable and ocean friendly.

Please note that they do not recommend feedlot Atlantic salmon.

Salmon

Status                 Variety                         Wild/Farmed                             Harvest method                             Region
Ocean Wise    Chinook salmon,                    Wild                      Gillnet, Seine net, Troll                           Alaska, British Columbia
Ocean Wise    Chum salmon                          Wild                      Gillnet, Seine net, Troll                             Alaska, British Columbia
Ocean Wise    Coho salmon                           Wild                      Gillnet, Seine net, Troll                             Alaska, British Columbia
Ocean Wise    Coho salmon, Sockeye salmon    Farmed                          Closed system                                   Canada, US
Ocean Wise    Pink salmon                          Wild                      Gillnet, Seine net, Troll                           Alaska, British Columbia
Ocean Wise    Sockeye salmon                           Wild                      Gillnet, Seine net, Troll                           Alaska, British Columbia
Under Review    Sockeye salmon                           Wild                      Gillnet, Seine net, Troll                           Japan, Russia
Not Recommended    Atlantic salmon               Farmed                          Open net pen                                   Worldwide
Not Recommended    Salmon (various)           Wild                      Gillnet, Seine net, Troll                           California, Oregon, Washington

http://www.oceanwise.ca/seafood/salmon
http://www.oceanwise.ca/partners/all

[aquapaloosa]

Follow the funding trail on that one.  Geesh.