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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Big Steel on September 27, 2005, 05:00:45 PM
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Was just wondering if anyone has heard anything about the chehalis being rediverted through the hatchery???? I know that they were trying to redirect it last year, but the last I heard was that the natives wouldn't let the workers on there land to do this, thus stopping work on the situation. I guess that the natives liked the river going through their land!!! :o :o Was just wondering because since the river changed flows I don't know what is going to happen to the coho population, are there going to be enough coho able to get back to the hatchery to sustain a run???? Are the natives now goig to net the chehalis as well??? Was there early last year, got into some damn fine fish, then two or three days later I went back and there wasn't a coho to be found, anywhere. Just made me wonder a bit, was still early november and there were no cohos even seen let alone hitting. Where did all the ho's go!!!! Is this what we are to expect????? I wouldn't be opposed to some of us fisherman going out there while the water is low and redirecting it ourselves. Just means carrying alot of rocks about 40 feet!!!!! Mind you that would take allot of fisherman!!!!! ;) ;)
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Hey Big Steel - I observed what you did last year also! Had some geat days with coho. Then later (when it should have been even better) - nothing! By December - the easter seal was full of fish - but they were all coloured by then...
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I wouldn't be opposed to some of us fisherman going out there while the water is low and redirecting it ourselves. Just means carrying alot of rocks about 40 feet!!!!! Mind you that would take allot of fisherman!!!!! ;) ;)
Then, unfortunately, you'd be nailed by DFO for affecting a salmon bearing waterway :(
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Yes nature will take it's coarse, but how much time do you think the hatchery has before that coarse is taken. Does anyone know the return numbers for last year at the hatchery? Are they notably different from previous years? Just putting 2and 2 together and if there is any water at the hatchery( or a decent flow anyways) Stands to reason that not allot of coho made it to the hatchery. Could be wrong though!!! Hope that I am!!!!
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OK WELL strike that idea then!!!! Thanks Dragonspeed, I didn't know that they would nail a person for that!!!! :( :( I kinda thought that we would be helping!!!!
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You really think the DFO is going to do anything if their were 100 people doing this? I doubt it. The Chehalis is in trouble and I have been fishing this system for 20 years and its going to be one of the worst years on record. Goverment needs to get some balls for once and just do something about it.
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You really think the DFO is going to do anything if their were 100 people doing this? I doubt it. The Chehalis is in trouble and I have been fishing this system for 20 years and its going to be one of the worst years on record. Goverment needs to get some balls for once and just do something about it.
I don't know if they would, but it can be pretty expensive to find out:
http://www-comm.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/pages/release/p-releas/2001/nr079_e.htm
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I Guess that guy didn't know streams and rivers are colour coded. You can only build to within 5m of a red coded stream.
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You really think the DFO is going to do anything if their were 100 people doing this? I doubt it. The Chehalis is in trouble and I have been fishing this system for 20 years and its going to be one of the worst years on record. Goverment needs to get some balls for once and just do something about it.
I don't know if they would, but it can be pretty expensive to find out:
http://www-comm.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/pages/release/p-releas/2001/nr079_e.htm
$2,000 is some pretty good coin I guess but not as much as driving into a river and totalling a vehicle hey ;)
The goverment doesnt want to step in and do anything about our rivers. Just like the Upper Pitt River where its world renowned for its flyfishing and their is garbage everywhere. The longer they wait the more its going to cost. You just have to shake your head sometimes.
Like when its time to vote. Do you vote NDP because you know they will make a bigger impact on the enviorment? Or do you vote Liberal because you know with the Liberals our economy will flourish. The NDP justs puts us in debt but cares about everything whereas the Liberals are smarter when it comes to the budget. Personally I take the Liberals but am sad that the enviorment has to suffer.
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$2,000 is some pretty good coin I guess but not as much as driving into a river and totalling a vehicle hey ;)
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The goverment doesnt want to step in and do anything about our rivers. Just like the Upper Pitt River where its world renowned for its flyfishing and their is garbage everywhere. The longer they wait the more its going to cost. You just have to shake your head sometimes.
Like when its time to vote. Do you vote NDP because you know they will make a bigger impact on the enviorment? Or do you vote Liberal because you know with the Liberals our economy will flourish. The NDP justs puts us in debt but cares about everything whereas the Liberals are smarter when it comes to the budget. Personally I take the Liberals but am sad that the enviorment has to suffer.
I think if we could be sure that DFO would "sanction" the event, that we could probably get quite a few volunteers up at some point.....
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I have been told as recently as last week planning for the work and the raising of the needed funds for the diverson back towards the hatchery is underway but it will no happen until next year. :( :(
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I have been told as recently as last week planning for the work and the raising of the needed funds for the diverson back towards the hatchery is underway but it will no happen until next year. :( :(
Just like the Pitt was supposed to be cleaned up 6 months ago... Untill I see it I will believe it. In the meantime the salmon stocks will go down...down...down...You get the picture.
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Well I see that we have some interest in the chehalis, good!!!! Does anyone have the emails or numbers that we can call and harass them about this and may other topics??? If we all just took a couple of minutes away a day and emailed the hell out of them, they would probably get the picture. But would we bug them enough to get them to do something about it??? Who knows!!!! We should also get this on the news as well. "Chehalis River Hatchery in trouble" will the powers that be step up??? They opened sockeye to shut us up and the seemed to work!! Maybe if we make a big enough noise about this as well, they will speed up the fundraising and the date to which the river will get re-diverted as well. Will it work? Don't know until you try. But I think that we have to do something, I would be willing to start there. By the way, I mean REALLY EMAILING THE HECK OUT OF THEM!!!!! EVERDAY!!!!!
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Big Steel, here's some info that you may find useful. It's a thread from before you were around
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=7198.msg65498#msg65498
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I would not recommend harrasssing them but I would suggest you phone the Chehalis Hatchery or e-mail them. They are really good guys there and I am sure they have done every thing possible to get this work done as soon as possible.
Phone 604-796-2281 or e-mail chehatch@uniserve.com
Please keep us updated with the info you dig up on the plans that are in the work for next year to correct this problem.
Thanks in advance.
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Thanks Biff, I've got the emails addresses. I will use them, but I do think that EVERONE HERE should join me and take a couple minutes everyday to bug the crap out of them!!!!! ;) ;)
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Sigh... ::)
Why do people always feel they have every right to "harrass" public servants, in the hope of getting some changes made, without sufficient political, scientific background research on the situation? So harrassment and bugging are now efficient tactics to get things moving in this country?
That delete button is going to come in very handy on a lot of people's computers soon...
The Chehalis water diversion issue will be brought up again when the SFAC meets with the Chehalis First Nation at the FN dialogue session next Wednesday.
Want to make your voices heard? Join an affiliation that deal with fishery issues through proper channels. Fraser Valley Salmon Society would be one, the annual fee is the cost of gas from Vancouver to Vedder.
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Sigh... ::)
Why do people always feel they have every right to "harrass" public servants, in the hope of getting some changes made, without sufficient political, scientific background research on the situation? So harrassment and bugging are now efficient tactics to get things moving in this country?
That delete button is going to come in very handy on a lot of people's computers soon...
The Chehalis water diversion issue will be brought up again when the SFAC meets with the Chehalis First Nation at the FN dialogue session next Wednesday.
Want to make your voices heard? Join an affiliation that deal with fishery issues through proper channels. Fraser Valley Salmon Society would be one, the annual fee is the cost of gas from Vancouver to Vedder.
I know you didn't say political.... Were you here when the NDP was spending, spending, spending and putting our economy in the crapper? I say forgot about the politicians as they are about as usefull as a dirty snotrag when it comes to the environment. People need to stand together and do things on their own sometimes. I for one wouldn't harass a public servant but would harass a politician as we elected them in. I would go to the river and do things on my own. I do belong to the Fraser Valley Salmon Society and I do write letters to my members of Parliament when it calls for. Most of the time it does not even get a response.
For instance I have been pushing for a dock at Mike Lake in Maple Ridge. They make you park for $5 and the place is a swamp and barely reachable to launch a float tube or anything else for that matter. I have written 5 letters, made 3 phone calls and nothing. You see sometimes they just don't give a rats a%%.... I am hopefully going to be building this dock myself in the spring with some help hopefully.
If we could find out what ramifications their would be from changing the river the way it is now, to a new route I would be up for helping in a heartbeat.
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The Chehalis hatchery issue was initially discussed in late August with the Chehalis First Nation and DFO. Here's what happened:
It was confirmed that this topic had been suggested at the last dialogue session as an agenda item of interest, and that the approach taken was to make initial inquiries to confirm that the topic belonged at the table. In this case, Jessica had talked with Jim Thomas and decided that indeed it was a worthwhile topic because in addition to the Chehalis hatchery issue, it was her understanding that there may be some recreational fishery access issues through Chehalis reserve lands and that this topic might also relate to other First Nations.
The group briefly determined that discussion today would focus on the hatchery issue specifically. Robert Hope and Lester Mussell said they did not need to discuss fisheries access issues at this time. Jim Thomas said he couldn’t speak for Chehalis on this, but thought that if the issue of flow to the hatchery wasn’t resolved, the need to address the issue may arise.
Jim Thomas provided the group with some background on the current situation at the Chehalis hatchery, and explained that things had started with a significant storm event on October 17, 2003. The storm blew out the dyke at the dogleg near the access at Morris Valley Road and changed the flow regime in the Chehalis River causing the hatchery to be dewatered. It also caused some damage to reserve lands and a disruption to angling because the river flowed through the forest. In late 2004, there were minor attempts to change the flow regime back and some water was rerouted back to the hatchery via the old river channel. Angling opportunities had improved because of this. Jim also shared some interesting biological information – last year there were 1.7 million chum salmon in the Chehalis (possibly the largest biological group in North America), which confirms the species’ ability to recolonize the new channel. Jim said he thinks this will lead to an improvement in the resource and doesn’t think the river can be changed back. He reported that the provincial Ministry of Environment is proposing to dyke a large area of the reserve to stabilize the new channel.
Jim confirmed that efforts this year to further increase flow to the hatchery would need to be done soon to fit in the instream works fisheries window (before mid September). There was discussion about whether the changed flow regime was impacting hatchery production. This is believed to be the case, for example, Gwyn Joiner pointed out that the Chilliwack hatchery might supply Chehalis with Chilliwak chinook because the Chehalis can’t get their own with the new flow regime. It was confirmed that Larry Kahl, the Chehalis hatchery manager, needed to be brought onside with any planning.
The group has a lengthy discussion about an approach to instream works. Jim suggested that a small project to dredge a portion of the river to divert some flow to the hatchery might be feasible. Jim indicated that the Chehalis First Nation might be interested in doing this because they are worried about potential impacts from the new flow regime on the Chehalis healing centre. It was pointed out that the Chehalis is a very dynamic system as seen from the numerous channels in the estuary. Any small instream work would probably need emergency approval to get going in time. Matt Foy would be a key DFO contact as well as an engineer. Nick Basok estimated it might cost $4000 to dig a small channel (~3 x 10 x 30 m), but had heard DFO has no money. Bill Wimpney pointed out that if there was group support, we could get funding from the Pacific Salmon Commission. Steelhead Aggregates may also be a source.
Nick Basok summarized the discussion by pointing out that there are broad benefits to improving the flow to the hatchery: more fish returning, more fish for the Chehalis rack fishery, more angling opportunities and less flood risk on reserve.
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I say forgot about the politicians as they are about as usefull as a dirty snotrag when it comes to the environment. I for one wouldn't harass a public servant but would harass a politician as we elected them in. I do write letters to my members of Parliament when it calls for. Most of the time it does not even get a response.
For instance I have been pushing for a dock at Mike Lake in Maple Ridge. They make you park for $5 and the place is a swamp and barely reachable to launch a float tube or anything else for that matter. I have written 5 letters, made 3 phone calls and nothing. You see sometimes they just don't give a rats a%%.... I am hopefully going to be building this dock myself in the spring with some help hopefully.
No replies to so many calls, letters, or "harrassment" to the politicians, maybe the approach needs to be changed? If one approaches another and does not intend to be respectful right from the beginning, the recipient will probably just ignore him or her.
Might want to look for a permit for that homemade dock. Liability issues that lead to safety and lawsuits would be your first concerns.
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I say forgot about the politicians as they are about as usefull as a dirty snotrag when it comes to the environment. I for one wouldn't harass a public servant but would harass a politician as we elected them in. I do write letters to my members of Parliament when it calls for. Most of the time it does not even get a response.
For instance I have been pushing for a dock at Mike Lake in Maple Ridge. They make you park for $5 and the place is a swamp and barely reachable to launch a float tube or anything else for that matter. I have written 5 letters, made 3 phone calls and nothing. You see sometimes they just don't give a rats a%%.... I am hopefully going to be building this dock myself in the spring with some help hopefully.
No replies to so many calls, letters, or "harrassment" to the politicians, maybe the approach needs to be changed? If one approaches another and does not intend to be respectful right from the beginning, the recipient will probably just ignore him or her.
Might want to look for a permit for that homemade dock. Liability issues that lead to safety and lawsuits would be your first concerns.
You are quick to assume that they are harassment letters ( harassment is with one "r" not 2 "r's )
I took some business in school and some law ( didn't finish them but still learned enough to get by ). I know how to talk to people and how to go about getting my point across when the time comes. I don't harass I write letters, give the appropriate time for a response and write again.
You see this is how I work. If you are a man of high intelligence than I will talk to you in that manner as my point will be made much clearer. If you are a redneck than I will talk to you in a manner in which you are accustom to. Different ways for different people. Thats the way to get through to people.
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You are quick to assume that they are harassment letters ( harassment is with one "r" not 2 "r's )
I took some business in school and some law ( didst finish them but still learned enough to get by ). I know who to talk to people and how to go about getting my point across when the time comes. I don't harass I write letters, give the appropriate time for a response and write again.
You see this is how I work. If you are a man of high intelligence than I will talk to you in that manner as my point will be made much clearer. If you are a redneck than I will talk to you in a manner in which you are accustom to. Different ways for different people. Thats the way to get through to people.
You're the one who suggested that you only haRass politicians, not I.
So that's how you work eh, treating people differently based on their educational background? Nice to know.
How about, treat others like the way you would like to be treated?
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I never said treat, you did. I said talk. I have a wide range of friends, they include jocks, scholars, rednecks and guess what I speak to them all differently. My point is the same but the language in which I use is different. You did not understand what I was saying. Maybe ask questions before assuming. I did say harass politicians and I would if I needed to. In such cases that I have been involved in I have not needed to take that approach. In 99% of cases I would not take that approach, it would only be in desperation that I would use such a tactic.
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Um ya ok, thanks for the lesson...
Uh, why did you jump in and defend yourself in the first place when I mentioned harassment of public servant is unnecessary? My concern was when Big Steel suggested people should contact the DFO staff emails provided and bug the crap out of them. Were you just assuming that I was talking about you? Or am I assuming that you were assuming that I was talking about you? Or...?
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Well Rodney, the statement " bug the crap out of them" was just a statement. Do you really think that in these emails that I would have been, how you like to think,"bugging the crap out of them". You talk to people on this site how you shouldn't assume anything, you should ask for an explanation of what a post really meant. I didn't see that, I saw you attacking me in front of everyone before you asked for a clarification. But whatever. Furthermore, you and various other people on this site keep preaching that we should get off our butt's and try and make a difference, but it seems that you only want people to help if you can run it, which is fine, for you. I don't have the money to donate funds for these measures that have been posted in various threads recently. I believe that there was a few that your organizations were asking for donations, and one from Gadson that was asking for a minimum of $200 for raffle prizes. I am putting my fiance through school right now, so I don't usually have $10 let alone $200.
So I am sorry if you think that I was just going to harass the dfo. I am trying to do what I can with the limited amount of resources that I have to do with it. I am a very bright person, that doesn't like being talked down to by someone that has a degree in whatever it is that you do. I have a degree in life, and I know what has worked for me in the past.
So if you would like me to just sit on my hands and do nothing, well who knows, maybe I will do just that!!!!
Rod I like you, I like your site, but really. Not all of us on this site are mindless. I for one was just going to ask for an update about the chehalis, what was in the plans for dealing with the situation, and what was the time frame going to be. Then let them now that I was just a concerned fisherman. I was even going to say thanks for your time. That was were the start was going to be for me. Now for what everone else was going to do, maybe nothing for that matter, I haven't got a clue. Neither do you.
PS Rodney, I don't think that other people like being talked down to as well. Is it just me or have you been a bit cranky lately!!!!! ::) ::)
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Um ya ok, thanks for the lesson...
Uh, why did you jump in and defend yourself in the first place when I mentioned harassment of public servant is unnecessary? My concern was when Big Steel suggested people should contact the DFO staff emails provided and bug the crap out of them. Were you just assuming that I was talking about you? Or am I assuming that you were assuming that I was talking about you? Or...?
I am done arguing semantics
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Nina calls me, Moody Rodney. ;)
My previous post was a generalize statement, wasn't intended to focus on you only. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be "bugging" the crap out of them, but please keep in mind ANYONE can have access to this forum. When I say anyone, I mean, anyone who has the ability to read, to use the internet, at any age. When you make the statement, "EVERONE HERE should join me and take a couple minutes everyday to bug the crap out of them!!!!!" some people would take it literally! I don't want to hear from these staff later on at the next meetings that people have been sending in these emails because FWR forum is telling them to. That's why I quickly jumped in before and expressed my thoughts to prevent that from happening. So, apology goes to you for seemingly singling you out, but the concern still stands.
My frustration lately stems from working with DFO staff, who are pushed to the limit to provide a recreational sockeye opening, to lack of attendance at the river cleanup, which some of my colleagues spent countless hours to make sure it ran smoothly. A month ago, a good portion of this forum participants wanted a protest on the absence of recreational sockeye fishery while FN fished, in the name of conservation! Once a sockeye opening was given, people were happy and all of a sudden conservation concerns disappeared!
By the way, I don't run any of these events. The Help Habitat Fundraiser is run by the Chilliwack River Action Committee, the river cleanup is run by the Chilliwack/Vedder River Cleanup Coalition, the upcoming SDA fundraiser is run by the Sportfishing Defence Alliance... so on. I am simply using this website as an existing tool to broadcast the information for them, I couldn't care less if the website is mentioned when the events are held.
These groups don't expect people to chip in money constantly, but they cannot exist without people's volutneer or financial support. People need to understand that the resulting benefits from these projects come back to them.
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I have been involved in 5 cleanups so far this year. I do my part in every way possible. I donate money when the opportunity comes along. I write letters to try and make a difference. The one thing that bothers me on any of these forums is the people that complain and don't do anything about any of the problems. If you want to complain start making a difference. Its just like the people that don't vote and than complain about government. If you don't vote than shut up since you didn't make a difference.
Thats my rant for the day.......
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Big Steel just to clarify my statement. I said I was going to donate a minimum of $200 to buy prizes for the SDA fundraiser, not asking everyone to do the same. As a director of the SDA I like the other directors which are far too few by the way have to do most of gathering of the prizes for the event.
I just hate doing this to be honest with you so I instead will donate money to buy prizes instead of taking the time which is taken up by too many such commitees ( I know no ones fault but my own) to fullfil my obligations as a director.
As I stated earlier anyone that can donate prizes no matter how small or buy a ticket it will be greatly appreciated. I also have had one donation and two other inquires come in for the SDA the last two days.Thanks guys. Others feel free to PM me if you are able to help out.
Also one other thing, organizations like the FVSS, Drift Fishers, SDA, Chilliwack River Action Comittee, Chilliwack/Vedder River Cleanup Coalition, and many more similar groups along with all their directors that are working for you the sports angler to protect all our fishing opportunities and help perserve fish stocks for the future.
Thanks also must go to FWR for giving a number of these organazations the use of this web page to promote their events.
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OK first, Nice fish, I would hope that I would not get in "trouble" for that little statement. I was mearly expressing my view/opinion. Afterall, this is a discusion forum is it not!!!! ;)
To you Rod, yes I second your concern. I should have chosen more appropriate words I suppose. I did not mention harassment, I do not want to harass DFO. All i wanted was for people out there to voice there concerns on the situation. If DFO gets a couple of hundred, well thoughout and respectfull emails, maybe they might do something about the problem. But to be honest with you I don't know if that would work. I have not seen much if any action in any of the matters concerning FN. They seem to be turning a blind eye to pretty much everything right now. So I don't know if anything would help. But emailing them, to me is better than nothing. I was already told that if we went to try and fix it ourselves, which wouldn't be that hard with enough man power, that dfo would stop us and fine us. Not to mention what the First Nations might do if we tried this. It feels like our hands are tied. I think that everyone agrees that the level of mismanagement in the DFO is astonishing. Maybe the emails will let them know that we are watching, as if they didn't already know!!!! Maybe we should be making our concerns known to someone that can do something about the mismanagement of our fish stocks. I don't know who this would be. Who is a higher power than DFO??? Maybe we should be talking to them.
Anyhow, I don't have a lot of stats or figures for any of this, I will leave that to the wiz kids of the internet. But I do see first hand what is going on on the rivers. I do listen to what is being said on the rivers, the views and concerns of many fishermen. I myself would put more stock in what I here from an old pro that has been on the river for thirty years and has seen it all then I would all the stats you can pull up that were done by a bunch of pencil pushers that have never been on the river. This is not a shot at you Rod or anyone else on this site. It is shot at the pencil pushers working for various organizations that try to tell you how it is without ever being there. Stats don't tell the whole story sometimes.
Anyhow, I am sorry for my wording, I should have thought it out a bit more ;) ;)
eddie99 who were you referring to????? Because Rod makes a difference and you say that you do, so who does that leave from this thread!!!!!
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I was just speaking about what I do to proove a point. I know you are new and by the sounds of it you want to make a difference. I am sure you will be there at a cleanup and do what you can. I am speaking about allot of the internet fishermen that complain. Allot of them have been around for quite sometime and dont do squat.....
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Chris I totally respect that the organizations are there to protect our fishery. I am also VERY appreciative of this fact. If I could doante I would, and will in the future. I have nothing but repsect for all of you here. As I said though, I am just trying to do what I can with what I have got to do it with. That's means that I will help out other fisherman or would be fisherman whenever I can. Whether that be helping them to understand fishing techniques, or helping them with there car or whatever. If I can get some to make there voices heard, then at least that is something. Hell, if I can get my voice heard then that would be something. If I have to send a few emails, write a few letters then that is what I will do, cleaning up the river, yup. Whatever I can do I am trying to do it. I am always up for some suggestions as well. I am sure that there are plenty of them. ;D ;D
Don't know what else to say, probably said to much already!
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eddie the only thing that I am new to is this site. I have probably spent more time on the rivers than a lot of the people here. I do clean up after myself and tons of others everytime I am on the river. Not just when there is a big river clean up day. I do make a difference out on the river, in various ways. Come fishing with me and you will see that. If people around me need help, I help. If there is crap around me where I am fishing, then it magically appears in my vest when I make it back to the truck. So, no I am not trying to make a difference. I am making a difference, even if it is a small one!! ;)
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Big Steel. A lot of what you are talking about IS and HAs been tackled by a number of the organizations that I mentioned in my post above.
The work the SDA has been doing the last few years paid off with a lot of increased enforcement this year by FOC on the Fraser River. Granted a lot more has to be done but it takes time and remember the people (volunteers) doing the work are doing the best they can. Also keep in mind most of them have nothing to gain other than the opportunity to protect their fishing opporunities and the fish for the future.
I know you just joined this forum a short time ago and may not know of all the work that has gone on the last few years, actually 21 when the Fraser Valley Salmon Society was formed and got the Fraser River open again for the retention of adult chinooks. You may wish to go to the FVSS web site to read their history.
I appreciate your enthusiasm and the more letters you can write to the different levels of Government the better. You also may wish to join some fishing groups in the future to help accomplish the goals you seek.
Did we every get away from the topic Chehalis. ::)
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K so what were we discussing again???? Oh ya the chehalis!!!!! One question!!! Do you think that the dfo is going to act in a sufficient enough time to save/restore the hatchery coho before it is to late ??? ??? By saying to late I mean, before it will take 20 years to get a decent hatcery run gong again!!
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I know this year the summer run for Steelhead was not what it once was. Or maybe it was just me......
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Ok boys enough of the B.S...........lETS GET AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER AND GO FISHING!!!!
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Ok boys enough of the B.S...........lETS GET AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER AND GO FISHING!!!!
I wish I could trust me I do. With kids,wife working 12 hours a day I dont have time other than Saturdays.... :(
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Well I just sent out my first respectful letter to dfo regarding the Chehalis, don't know if I wll get a reply but I guess that only time will tell!!!!! ;) ;)
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Well I just sent out my first respectful letter to dfo regarding the Chehalis, don't know if I wll get a reply but I guess that only time will tell!!!!! ;) ;)
Well done. Let us know if you get a reply.
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Nina calls me, Moody Rodney. ;)
Moody Rodney, cranky Rodney.......take your pick ::) ;D