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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rieber on October 02, 2004, 11:57:49 PM
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We drove under the #1 bridge late this afternoon and found what looked to be four fishermen fighting - over what? Did anybody else see this or knew what the heck was going on. Guys were fighting on the bank and in the river - what gives?
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Perhaps they were giving group hugs. :D
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I find most people pretty amicable and even helpful. Always seems to be 1 or 2 people who like to beak off.
They should go carp fishing, its more relaxing ;)
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probably fighting over a spot ;D ;D
btw ... this site is dead at 3 am ;D
Just got home from a night on the town ?
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"LONG LEADER...SHORT LEADER...LONG LEADER...SHORT LEADER"
You get the idea ;D
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Two fellas on one side of the river. Three on the other side. One of the two forgets to pinch barb and one of the three hooks up and line goes to one of three to untangle. One of the three (drunk?) sees barb and gives two words of wisdom. Two's tell three's what they think of thier words of wisdom and so on and so on. Three's drive over to greet two's and enforce the letter of the law.
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Two fellas on one side of the river. Three on the other side. One of the two forgets to pinch barb and one of the three hooks up and line goes to one of three to untangle. One of the three (drunk?) sees barb and gives two words of wisdom. Two's tell three's what they think of thier words of wisdom and so on and so on. Three's drive over to greet two's and enforce the letter of the law.
That's taking angler education to a whole new level ::)
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Drunk? At the Vedder? Say it ain't so ::)
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So - how did it all end? Did they hug and make up :-*or did someone go home with an ow-wee :'(
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Wow, I'm new to BC, and I gotta say, that all this talk about conflict in salmon fishing is making me not too eager to go try it out. I had been quite excited about it before coming here, but this isn't the first time I've heard of conflicts between fishermen on the rivers. Is this the norm, or can a person actually expect to *relax* and *enjoy* fishing rivers like the Vedder for salmon?
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Yes, There is lots of good guy's on the river. If you find yourself around a bunch on no-minds your best to move. Most people are great and helpfull. The "nut cases" are usually at the easy to reach spots and they usually look like red necks.
Good Luck
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Hey Zaphoid,
Not to say that some rivers are bad rivers, but there are a few particular rivers that recieve more morons simply because of their location, and because they have more fish that other rivers.
I used to have the perception that the only way to salmon fish is to be around fighting red-necks, but the more you fish, the more decent people you meet, and the more rivers and locations you find. I came to realize that there are far more locations without idiots than with them.
Also, everyone has the ability to fish the rivers, some exploit this right more than others and trash them, there aren't many of them, but many of them seem to have additional ideas other than just fishing... ::)
Don't let it put you off, just go out and see for your self, there really is some great fishing to be had :D
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"LONG LEADER...SHORT LEADER...LONG LEADER...SHORT LEADER"
You get the idea ;D
HAHAHAHAHAHA If it was under the Keith Wilson, then Id imagine the argument would be between the 6 ft and 10 ft leader users... :P ;)
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Wow, I'm new to BC, and I gotta say, that all this talk about conflict in salmon fishing is making me not too eager to go try it out. I had been quite excited about it before coming here, but this isn't the first time I've heard of conflicts between fishermen on the rivers. Is this the norm, or can a person actually expect to *relax* and *enjoy* fishing rivers like the Vedder for salmon?
People are generally really nice, as long as your weight isn't touching the bottom of the river people can't chew you out to easy.
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If I make a bad cast...I will apologise for it. If I cast a barbed hook by mistake and someone calls me on it....I certainly wouldnt beak off about it.
That run is very much like fishing the fraser: its very conjested, it often attracts the lowest common denominator of fishers, and as is the case here, the concerned parties showed no curtousy for each other.
Any new fishers reading this thread, do not be too alarmed about this. its a relatively isolated incendent, between what sounds like a couple groups of meat heads.
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When I see someone breaking the regs, I'll just get on my cell phone and call the DFO. I would not bother talking to them about it. This way, there's no conflict.
As far as the way people fish, they are entitled to any way they please -- so long as they are not breaking any regs. This is respecting the way other people's fishing method --as specified in the fishing reg's hanbook about ethicate.
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Matuka, two thums up.
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fishermanphil wasn't there but he almost has the story right. Yes there were two drunks on the Chilliwack side that came over to the Abbotsford side. The older agressive drunk is so fired up that he skids his truck to a stop, jumps out and waits until the one Abby side fisherman turns his back while he is reeling in, then he runs and pushes/launches the fisherman into the river. The other Abby fisherman jumps down the bank to make sure his buddie isn't drowning underwater in his breathable waders.
The drunk then starts yelling "come-on tough guy, you want some of me to". The fisherman in the water has seriously hurt his ankle thinking it was broken and struggles to pull himself out of the water while the other Abby man tries to keep this drunken clown occupied. The drunk grabs the dry Abby man, ripping the strap off his breathables and starts taking swings. The dry Abby man grabs this drunk and pulls him down the bank and proceeds to give him an attitude adjustment. Abby man lets the drunk go and starts climbing up the bank to join the wet Abby man who is now up the bank. The second drunk (who's been observing) takes exception to the fact that his drunk friend just gotten an adjustment, so he tries to kick the head off the shoulders of the dry Abby as he climbs up. Well dry Abby man sees this comming and grabs the leg of the kicker, then grabs both legs behind the knee and launches this clown over his shoulders and onto the rocks and water below. THe clown landed flat on his back and hurt hid shoulder, probably dislocated, by the way he was walking afterwards. By this time wet man and drunk one are both up on the bank and the drunk is trying trying to get ahold of the wet man. Dry man is now steaming and rushes to the top to get this drunk away from his injured buddy wet man. THe drunk gets tries taunting dry man with profanity and insult but dry man won't go for it until drunk man tries a sucker punch. Dry man sees the punch coming, ducks it and tackles the drunk to give him another adjustment. Finally it comes to an end when drunk man doesn't want to play anymore and dry man lets him up. The two drunks finally leave.
What's scary is the complete disregard for life that the drunk man displayed. Deliberately attacking from behind, pushing a fisherman in the river knowing full well that those breathable will easily fill up with water. Absolutely disgusting. This guy was out to drown wet man. Seriously makes you wonder what the hell is wrong with people.
The drunk man claims to have fished the river for twenty years so the locals will know who this is. He drives a 1990's white extended cab Dodge Dakota with green pinstriping and a large old dent on the box, passenger side. This truck has a white canopy with a boat rack as he had a green pontoon boat strapped to the top. If you see this vehicle or know who he is don't turn your back on him.
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Classic case of "liquid courage". Too often I see anglers drinking while fishing. They get tanked over the course of the day and then drive home endangering himself and others on the road. Why do they feel a need to drink to have a good time ? >:(
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IEven though I tend not to think like a legal eagle...if I was "wet Abby man" I would enjoy taking a lot of money from Drunk Chillie man for assualt with intent.
Stupid tool sounds like he got what he deserved
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You know it makes me wonder what really happened to the two or three drownings that have occurred on the river lately.
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fishin hooligans, now ive heard it all , reminds me of the casuals(soccer hooligans) back home, they go to all the away matches just to fight with the locals. wankers everywhere these days ;)
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Just wondering... so which guy was it that was fishing with the barb???
The wet guy? The dry guy? Drunk #1? Drunk #2?
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Wet guy failed to pinch his barb completely down. Drunk#1 hooked up and reeled in wet guys line then bit the hook off the leader. Wet guy had a problem with this and words were exchanged to a point where drunk team drove up the dike, over KW bridge and down the other side. You would think this would give the guy time to cool off but just the opposite. Drunk team actually stopped other vehicles on the Abby dike trying to catch the wet guy. Just bloody crazy.
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It took me a while to get the "lay of the water" when I first started fishing (a long time ago ;). EVERYONE has to start sometime, give newbies a break, maybe you can learn something.
I'm sorry, but the worst part for me? The locals (or so they look) who think they OWN the river! Some of these people are out there 30 or 40 days a year or more and yet can't/won't give anyone else a chance to fish any of the better holes. In the regs it says that we should move along up the bar after hooking a fish. Yeah right, I see it all the time. That would be fun on say Herrling but in the smaller holes why not???
Not everyone has been so lucky to have a teacher, if you have, share your good fortune!
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I'm sorry, but the worst part for me? The locals (or so they look) who think they OWN the river! Some of these people are out there 30 or 40 days a year or more and yet can't/won't give anyone else a chance to fish any of the better holes. In the regs it says that we should move along up the bar after hooking a fish. Yeah right, I see it all the time. That would be fun on say Herrling but in the smaller holes why not???
Actually what's said in the regs are guidelines-there is no force in law that requires people to be courteous.
Also-have you given any thought to "Where does it all end"?
How many newbies can be accommodated?
There's no more riverbank today that there was 25 years ago but there are many many more times as many people.
One doofus was seen last year using a stepladder to fish over other people-that's what it's become in some places.
Would you give up your spot so the ladder using doofus can have a place to fish?
I remember on old boy on the Chehalis one time trying to sandwich in between 2 guys just down from me.
They turned around and snarled at him and he said "There's always room for one more"!
Everyone around started hooting and shouting No No No .We'd all been there since well before light and he slept in and decided to go fishing-if he'd been 30 years younger he would have been punched/kicked into the river and spat on-that's what crowds do.
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Sorry, you're right. In the reg's book, but not one. ooops
I agree that there are alot more people out there fishing, and the same or less space. And, that there are some people who are unpleasant to be around. But why fish a meat hole if crowds aren't your scene?
It would be nice if we didn't all have to arrive before dawn to get your "rock" ( or stepladder!!! Holy s***) I know I'm being a little idealistic, but would be nice if we could figure out a way to deal with the crowded places. Without resorting to weapons and/or stadium seating that is!
My fishing Bud is of the theory that the whole sockeye meat fish debacle has attracted a whole new, very different complexion to fishing around here. The attraction isn't the process, it's filling the freezer.
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Having said that, some of the more "experienced" guys are starting to move away from the "common spots" and are exploring rivers. They are often able to find spots that few people fish, but can be quite productive. It's the same with all fisheries, I've got spots in the ocean that few/no people know about for the simple reason that I have taken the time to explore a bit.
It's true that there isn't any more river space than there was 25 years ago, but there are some parts of rivers, and even some rivers that few people fish, and it's not because of a lack of fish, it sometimes just due to lazyness, soemone fishes near you and the only way people seem to think they can solve the problem is by yelling at them. Perhaps taking the time to have a quick quiet word with them and explain what they just did. Try to live with it, and move on as a final resort.
But then again, what do I know, I'm just a kid...
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But then again, what do I know, I'm just a kid...
We were all Kids once and no one here is criticising your ideas.
Myself I think the only solution is to make Freshwater Salmon fishing 100% C&R.
Then it'll be just people who love the outdoors and the demographic that mooha is talking about can crawl back under their rocks.
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Hey Sam, coming from someone who doesn't eat salmon, I agree fully. But then it'd be a challenge to get dad to drive me to the river...only a few months until the licence... ;)
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I don't bet annoyed; I get even ! Suddenly I lose control of my motor coordination. My lines go every which way, over people's line. I develop poor eyesight. I take forever to untangle lines because of my poor eyesight and shakey motor coordination.
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Myself I think the only solution is to make Freshwater Salmon fishing 100% C&R.
If they make fishing with a rod and reel 100% C & R then any native fisheries should be banned completly as well.
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It's really sad to hear criticism of newbies. In that light, I guess there are certain people that would prefer that only the elite, experienced fishermen can fish, and the hell with the rest of them. I mean, just because Fisherman A doesn't catch as many fish as Fisherman B, that should entitle Fisherman B a spot on the river? Sounds goony to me.
Look, I know it can be frustrating to have people come late and try to barge into the prime spots. Those people need to told to take a hike - literally! Yes, there are more people than ever fishing, but I still believe there are plenty of locations along the river. You just have to walk a little bit. Leave the prime locales to the gong fest and venture a bit. Breathe deeply, relax, and enjoy what's around you.
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As I drive in from the city ( sorry, it's true) it's frustrating to me that when steelheading I have to leave as soon as I bonk one (or should I say if) . However, it means that my "spot" is cleared for the next guy. If this rule was applied to the floss fest, it would weed out people who are 'goin for the spring'. Not catch and release, but a way to administer those who need help learning some manners.
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I had a similar situation regarding the step ladder the other day on the river. I had a older guy and his buddy cast right over top of my head literally. the guy stood 3 feet above me and casted wildly over my head a couple times, when I looked at him he did one of those avoid eye contact things. I debated whether to go and throw him in the river or tell him where to go. Eventually he snagged my line so I snipped his mainline and glared. I was almost sure someone one was going to get hit in the head by some lead.
Its amazing how disrespectful and dangerous people can be on the river. And its not like the spot I was at was a extraordinary good fishing spot. I would have gladly moved over a couple of feet to make room for them, but I guess some people prefer to fish from the road....
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Ah yes, tis' the season of crazies again.... Thanksgiving, Halloween and....
daytime soap opera at Vedder ;D
I go by one rule when someone arrives... Simple: Treat others like the way you want to be treated. Newbies, locals, out-of-towners, doesn't matter, a simple greeting at first eye contact starts things off good usually. If not, oh well, I'll live. ;)
I think if you choose to fish in heavily congested portions of the river, you need to expect there bound to be conflicts as we are all different.... Just like driving. Everyone is at the river with a different objective... Some are simply to be there to see what all the fuss is about, some enjoy being very social (um... birdnester, where are ya? ;D ), some are there to relax for the weekend, some are there to harvest, some are there to improve fishing skill, some are there to compete secretly with those around him or her to show off.... ;D If some individual doesn't please you... walk away... the river is huge!
Last Sunday we made the mistake to come down to the Vedder and fished, only to find 40 people at the river before us and before light! After 1 hour of hearing ripping sounds and no action, we decided that was enough and turned the day into a field trip. We drove around to check out other potential spots that maybe our next secret hideout in the future. ;)
Anyways, whatever happened to the fun element in fishing? :o These days I find many individuals, especially the more experienced, choose to turn the sport into some kind of personal battle against the rest of the population that shares the resource with. This is definitely not a recipe for long happy life. ;)
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after reading all this frustration it reminds me why I enjoy sturgeon fishing so much with just my family and friends nearby and hardly see anyone........ ;D
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i find some of the locals to be the most annoying.
they act like they own the river and are 'quick tongued' to voice negative comments towards people who are not as experienced in fishing. sometimes they forget, that if it wasn't for the industry (sportfishing), chilliwack and sardis would still be nothing more than cow pastures overlooking the highway.
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I usually try and avoid the crowds as much as possible. I refrain from fishing the vedder on weekends as its too much of a zoo. But recently I've been finding that even weekdays are too busy. It would have been nice to see a DFO officier out there. I have yet to see one ever on the Vedder, unlike when i fish the squamish region where i see them every single outing...
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The river is HUGE, and there is no need to fish at the meatholes. I've fished for quite a long time on the Vedder/Chiiliwack and I don't think I know more than a handful of fishermen. I try not to mingle too much. I am always courteous to others but I usually fish alone or I fish with a couple of good friends. I like to walk a lot so I can avoid most of the popular runs. There are fish everywhere and all you have to do is to make a few casts here and there. Sometimes you get fish and sometimes you don't, but it's always a pleasure to go out on the river. If the runs gets busy simply move on. You don't need to anchor yourself in one spot in order to bag your limit. The more fish you catch in one place the more people you are going to attract. Peach road was quiet three weeks ago and look at it now. If you fish in the meatholes you will see the uglier side of fishing. Why would you want to put up with that and ruin a good day's fishing? It's supposed to be fun.
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i find some of the locals to be the most annoying.
they act like they own the river and are 'quick tongued' to voice negative comments towards people who are not as experienced in fishing. sometimes they forget, that if it wasn't for the industry (sportfishing), chilliwack and sardis would still be nothing more than cow pastures overlooking the highway.
Like it's anything more than that nowdays, lol
It is more than that thank you very much :P
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Like it's anything more than that nowdays, lol
It is more than that thank you very much :P
chilliwack is a beautiful place. but it only thrives because of tourism and fishing. alot of business people know this, but some residents take exception to the onslaught of outsiders "invading" their town and especially "their" river.
they sometimes, take for granted, the millions of dollars (annually) that these people bring with them.
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I remember on old boy on the Chehalis one time trying to sandwich in between 2 guys just down from me.
They turned around and snarled at him and he said "There's always room for one more"!
Everyone around started hooting and shouting No No No .We'd all been there since well before light and he slept in and decided to go fishing-if he'd been 30 years younger he would have been punched/kicked into the river and spat on-that's what crowds do.
A bonus to using a center pin reel is that I have to do a bit of a 'sweep' cast...anyone within about a 10'6" radius or so is gonna get whacked.
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Not to mention a spey rod... I need a good 40 feet downstream - anyone that steps in below gets fair warning, then they discover just where I set my anchor for my cast :)
Cheers,
Nicole
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My dad has a picture of him and his best buddy taken in 1937 near the railway bridge with a nice Dolly Varden. My grandpa used to have a hunting cabin there and I'd like to take my dad back to fish there this weekend. He hasn't fished the Vedder since he was a young boy. Unfortunately, I know that part of the river and I don't want to break his heart. We're going to the Stave via boat.
I hate the Vedder on weekends and sometimes on weekdays. I try to fish the secluded spots that the rif raf won't use energy to get to.
My dog loves Chilliwack. Everytime we drive through, she's got her nose to the vent sniffing at the cow smell. Yum :-X ;D