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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Wiseguy on December 26, 2022, 07:05:30 PM
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Any news on the the derby? Usually a report is posted on this page.
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Only one fish was caught, which is a Suprise considering the water conditions.e
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No word on # of entries? Number of fish caught? Winners? What the fishes wieghed?
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Nothing on the Fred's Tackle website.
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There is some controversy by looks of it. Hopefully an update is posted soon. They deleted the only post on their page earlier. In all reality it should have been cancelled and rescheduled early in the morning due to unsafe and unfinishable Conditions. There are alot of people who have the opinion that the one fish weighed in wasn't caught today. The individual has been involved in controversial fake posts before. So who knows. I do hope Fred's does something to mitigate how the derby rolled out this year. I will not attend again if this is the way it will roll out. Shame really long tradition. Catch one or not just to get out and fish and be apart of it.
Haven't seen it go down like this in over 25 years of attending. No results shared. No information on conditions or possible cancelation etc. Usually it would get called early if conditions were like they were today.
Obviously something is a miss if they haven't posted results.
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An update will be available tomorrow.
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What I don't understand is why they wouldn't call it early or at all when it was unsafe. Icy waters edge. Mud flow. No visibility. High fast rising water with trees flowing down. Made no sense. Everytime it was like this in past they cancelled it early. Combo of heavy rain snow melt warm weather that graph was shooting straight up well before first light. First priority is safety let alone extreme poor unfinishable Conditions.
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^agree.
This was just posted on Fred's FB.....
MESSAGE FROM FRED 🗞 Due to the challenging conditions on Boxing Day this year, the traditional annual Steelhead derby saw only a few anglers out with no qualifying fish making it to the scale.
A fish was weighed in at 5.99 lbs, but after further investigation, it has been disqualified and deemed ineligible for the trophy and prize.
Due to this unfortunate event, the derby will be re-held on Saturday, January 14th, 2023, to allow for full participation of entrants and a second chance for some great prizes.
We encourage others to join in on the goal of raising funds for habitat and conservation. We invite others to participate in this important initiative that raises significant funds to ensure a healthy river system for Salmon and Steelhead. Which, ultimately, is the true purpose of the Boxing Day Derby, Wally Hall Jr. Memorial Steelhead Derby, and the Wrap-up Raffle.
Thank you for supporting this effort by the angling community and giving back to the river.
Fred
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NOTE: Anglers already registered for the Boxing Day Steelhead Derby, are eligible for the January 14th, 2023 event. If you were unable to make the original event but want to participate, you can register in-store or online at https://shopfreds.ca/boxing-day-derby.html
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Yesterday's Boxing Day Derby has been postponed to January 14th due to the current poor river conditions. As many followed the drama online, the only fish weighed in by one individual was eventually disqualified after it was determined that the fish was caught on a different day, from a different river system, and not even by the same individual.
As I wrote in a comment yesterday, to be a winner is more than just catching the only or the largest fish in a derby. It's about earning integrity, credibility and respect from your peers. The individual who chose to cheat possesses none of these qualities. Rather than talking about the pathetic stunt, let's focus what's really important here.
The true winner of this long tradition is supposed to be the fish, as all proceeds from the derby will be donated back to protect and restore more habitat along the Chilliwack River. This derby is here to create a common goal and bond within the angling community. Don't lose sight of that due to one person's wrong doing.
I've read a few comments that suggests Fred's Custom Tackle should have done more and they are disappointed by yesterday's outcome. Before you cast those judgements, please keep in mind that you're talking about an establishment which picked up a duty that no one else has shown any interest to take on. Fred and his team don't need to deal with this. They could have just focused on their Boxing Day sale. Instead, Fred has gathered the sponsors, put in his own dimes, used his staff to make the event successful. It's not perfect, but at least someone is doing it. If anyone who thinks they can do better, then you should have a talk with Fred personally and volunteer your time for the next derby.
With that said, consider taking part on January 14th and purchasing your derby ticket if you haven't done so. The goal is to raise $30,000 this season from both this derby and the Wally Hall Junior Memorial Derby combined. Part of this money will then be matched by organizations like The Steelhead Society of B.C., and the total amount will be donated to Fraser Valley Watersheds Coalition for future habitat work.
Enjoy the rest of 2022, and good luck to all in the derby and throughout this winter steelhead season! 👍
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Fred's made the right call good on them!
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WOW! I can't believe this individual went to these lengths to weigh in this fish. His camera man must have been in on it too, as the video posted on Facebook certainly seemed to be the Vedder with yesterday's water conditions. Angler even doubled down and defended himself vehemently. Just unreal.
Yesterday's Boxing Day Derby has been postponed to January 14th due to the current poor river conditions. As many followed the drama online, the only fish weighed in by one individual was eventually disqualified after it was determined that the fish was caught on a different day, from a different river system, and not even by the same individual.
As I wrote in a comment yesterday, to be a winner is more than just catching the only or the largest fish in a derby. It's about earning integrity, credibility and respect from your peers. The individual who chose to cheat possesses none of these qualities. Rather than talking about the pathetic stunt, let's focus what's really important here.
The true winner of this long tradition is supposed to be the fish, as all proceeds from the derby will be donated back to protect and restore more habitat along the Chilliwack River. This derby is here to create a common goal and bond within the angling community. Don't lose sight of that due to one person's wrong doing.
I've read a few comments that suggests Fred's Custom Tackle should have done more and they are disappointed by yesterday's outcome. Before you cast those judgements, please keep in mind that you're talking about an establishment which picked up a duty that no one else has shown any interest to take on. Fred and his team don't need to deal with this. They could have just focused on their Boxing Day sale. Instead, Fred has gathered the sponsors, put in his own dimes, used his staff to make the event successful. It's not perfect, but at least someone is doing it. If anyone who thinks they can do better, then you should have a talk with Fred personally and volunteer your time for the next derby.
With that said, consider taking part on January 14th and purchasing your derby ticket if you haven't done so. The goal is to raise $30,000 this season from both this derby and the Wally Hall Junior Memorial Derby combined. Part of this money will then be matched by organizations like The Steelhead Society of B.C., and the total amount will be donated to Fraser Valley Watersheds Coalition for future habitat work.
Enjoy the rest of 2022, and good luck to all in the derby and throughout this winter steelhead season! 👍
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Absolute childish behaviour by this so called “ angler “ ... I don’t get why he was even allowed to participate in this years event after trolling last years derby by faking water condition reports the night before ... Past decade there has been a surplus of goofy people fishing . People need to give their heads a shake.
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It’s fraud and illegal
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Fraud is illegal and hopefully the police are contacted.
This derby is a great cause and fraud committed jeopardizes the intergrity of the derby and those involved.
Ban this person for lifetime of the derby and let the police know what he/she attempted to do.
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Back when both the Vancouver Sun and BC Salmon Derbies were annual events which featured high $ prizes, all the fish entered were examined by experts and then dissected. I remember Ted Peck, the best known local angling personality of the time, talking about this on his popular radio show. While some fish were deemed to have been caught before the date it was entered or even possibly purchased, the most common form of cheating was shoving a weight or some similar object down the fishes mouth into it's throat or gullet. While shocking, and I hate to say this, it is to be expected. Why else do such examinations? it's a sad fact of human nature. Give people a motivation to cheat, swindle or steal some not small % will do so.
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Just received word the kid who cheated (Brian Mirea) has received an indefinite ban on participating in future derbies.
Now do the camera man and the guy who originally caught the fish in question.
No place for these kind of cheaters in our much revered derby.
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IMO they are all equally culpable and should each receive the same punishment. What the heck is wrong with some people? Maybe they can team up with those clowns in the US who got caught stuffing their walleye with lead.
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Wow, just unbelievable. To make a mockery of a long standing tradition is shameful. These individuals should be charged with fraud.
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Seems to me there is a violation if he filled his license with the Vedder when it was caught elsewhere on a different day
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A couple seasons ago during Steelhead season I arrived at a parking lot of a popular hole on the lower river. When I got out of my friend’s SUV, I noticed an empty plastic wrapped, styrofoam container tossed to the side. I flipped it over and found a Save-On or Safeway sticker that was label “Steelhead Trout”.
Absolutely bananas what people will do for some clout.
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I feel like this individual requires a nickname. Some will know of/remember the story of a certain derby contestant who was caught putting lead weights in the belly of a steelhead. I won't name him as I bump into him (and his dog) somewhat often during steelhead season. We like to fish a lot of the same bushwack water. I find him quite pleasant, and we have shared a few tips/tricks here and there. Obviously, he made a mistake, and seems he owns it by doing his own thing and staying out of the derbies. Anyway, he didn't get off scot-free, and earned himself the nickname "lead belly."
For mr.switcahroo here, who has committed probably T-H-E most unsportsmanlike act of any fisherman who has ever fished, I would like to propose "switch."
Or, "tripple-play." Someone else caught the fish, on a different day, on a different river.
Lastly, "the fox." Looks cute and innocent, but is actually a sneaky little prick.
Sorry I've been into the pot :o
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I feel like this individual requires a nickname. Some will know of/remember the story of a certain derby contestant who was caught putting lead weights in the belly of a steelhead. I won't name him as I bump into him (and his dog) somewhat often during steelhead season. We like to fish a lot of the same bushwack water. I find him quite pleasant, and we have shared a few tips/tricks here and there. Obviously, he made a mistake, and seems he owns it by doing his own thing and staying out of the derbies. Anyway, he didn't get off scot-free, and earned himself the nickname "lead belly."
For mr.switcahroo here, who has committed probably T-H-E most unsportsmanlike act of any fisherman who has ever fished, I would like to propose "switch."
Or, "tripple-play." Someone else caught the fish, on a different day, on a different river.
Lastly, "the fox." Looks cute and innocent, but is actually a sneaky little prick.
Sorry I've been into the pot :o
Switch is pretty good. Simple.
Fox not so much was very obvious why he got caught.
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the story of a certain derby contestant who was caught putting lead weights in the belly of a steelhead..........Obviously, he made a mistake,
And this post is what shows that you are part of the problem. This is the problem with society today. Call it for what it is. Don't go saying "he made a mistake."
What he did was CHEAT. What he did was commit FRAUD. If he hadn't got caught and went home with the prize and claim to fame, then we could also add STEALING and THEFT to that list. The whole lot of it is evil. Why do you soften the words of what it really is?
It's like the person who is unfaithful to their spouse and says "I had an affair". Isn't that a nice politically correct way to explain what they did. What they really did is commit 'adultery', but when was the last time you heard someone say "I committed adultery"? Probably never. Society has softened the terms/words of the evil they do to make it more palatable for the masses.
When people start calling out evil with the correct words/terms, then.....maybe the people doing that evil will stop being so calloused to it.
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And this post is what shows that you are part of the problem. This is the problem with society today. Call it for what it is. Don't go saying "he made a mistake."
What he did was CHEAT. What he did was commit FRAUD. If he hadn't got caught and went home with the prize and claim to fame, then we could also add STEALING and THEFT to that list. The whole lot of it is evil. Why do you soften the words of what it really is?
It's like the person who is unfaithful to their spouse and says "I had an affair". Isn't that a nice politically correct way to explain what they did. What they really did is commit 'adultery', but when was the last time you heard someone say "I committed adultery"? Probably never. Society has softened the terms/words of the evil they do to make it more palatable for the masses.
When people start calling out evil with the correct words/terms, then.....maybe the people doing that evil will stop being so calloused to it.
Totally agree, this was planned out since December 17 when the fish was caught and killed on the Alloutte. To say he made a “mistake” is so what’s wrong in the world today.
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Huh? So...everyone you know that has ever been caught cheating/stealing or similar you have cut all ties with? You've never cheated on anything or made a similar mistake? I didn't say the guy was my best buddy or someone I hold in high regard as an ethical person. All I said was I bump into him on the river from time to time, and we chat fishing for a minute or two, then go our separate ways.
Also cheating in a fishing derby is certainly unethical, and if one were to keep prizes/money it could meet the criminal code definition of fraud, and result in charges. However, I personally wouldn't use the term "evil." I work in the prison system and have seen/read true evil. Like people who rape and pimp out their own children.
I'm sure this young man will have to live with the consequences of this for a long time. At least in the fishing community. Outside the fishing community, I doubt anyone really cares. Was discussing this at work last night with my fishing buddy. We were losing our minds in disbelief of what has transpired. The half dozen or so other people in the room who don't fish didn't see what the big deal was. The comments were more or less "well then take away his prize and ban him from future derbies."
And this post is what shows that you are part of the problem. This is the problem with society today. Call it for what it is. Don't go saying "he made a mistake."
What he did was CHEAT. What he did was commit FRAUD. If he hadn't got caught and went home with the prize and claim to fame, then we could also add STEALING and THEFT to that list. The whole lot of it is evil. Why do you soften the words of what it really is?
It's like the person who is unfaithful to their spouse and says "I had an affair". Isn't that a nice politically correct way to explain what they did. What they really did is commit 'adultery', but when was the last time you heard someone say "I committed adultery"? Probably never. Society has softened the terms/words of the evil they do to make it more palatable for the masses.
When people start calling out evil with the correct words/terms, then.....maybe the people doing that evil will stop being so calloused to it.
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Its a safe bet that if he went to the effort and premeditation to enlist an accomplice to cheat in a fishing derby then his life ethics are corrupt as well.
I would not want to have business dealings with him or his colleagues
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I'm sure this young man will have to live with the consequences of this for a long time. At least in the fishing community. Outside the fishing community, I doubt anyone really cares.
FWR is the extent of my social media involvement so all I know about the situation is what I have read here.
A quick Google search of “Brian Mirea” indicates that he is a business student at SFU. Who knows, maybe future employers will care about his (alleged) unethical (maybe even illegal) behaviour.
Google also shows that he used his boat to lend a hand during last year’s flood event. Maybe he’s not so evil after all…
Google also shows a picture of him waving a flag from the back of a pickup during an anti-vax freedom rally in Vancouver. So, maybe he is…
I don’t know enough about the situation to be judge, jury and executioner. It’s just a very unfortunate situation all around.
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Google also shows that he used his boat to lend a hand during last year’s flood event. Maybe he’s not so evil after all…
Google also shows a picture of him waving a flag from the back of a pickup during an anti-vax freedom rally in Vancouver. So, maybe he is…
Let me get this straight
Help out at flood with boat = Not evil
Wave flag at anti-vax freedom rally = Evil
I really hope you are being sarcastic because if you aren't then you need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
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Let me get this straight
Help out at flood with boat = Not evil
Wave flag at anti-vax freedom rally = Evil
I really hope you are being sarcastic because if you aren't then you need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
It was tongue-in-cheek, and I used lots of maybe’s.
And yes, Kook Aid is delicious
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Is this the same guy that got third place in the Wally hall derby last year ?
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If you look at the rescue op during the floods its based on a self written excerpt 'In their own words'.
I doubt he actually did anything, just fabricated a story and away he went.
Taking an 18' boat with a propped o/b into a flooded Sumas
*File that under things that didn't happen*
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I’d hardly call it a mistake. Maybe a regret, but if the events are true the intent was there and known.
Pretty ballsy move to assume a 6lb fish would place, but considering conditions maybe he thought he’d maybe get a top 3 prize?!? He won 3rd place last year in the Wally Hall Derby 🤷🏻♂️…..
Curious how he was caught though. Was the fish still frozen in the middle or something 🤣 kidding not kidding! How was it determined that it was caught by another angler on a different system?
Kinda taints the whole thing … even going forward to the event and other derby’s, it will surely add to if not foster a certain air of mistrust.
Still contend that the majority of people will do better always. Good luck to those still participating 🤘🏼🐟
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At least the system Fred's Tackle has set up, whatever it is, caught this. It worked. As far as what this fellow did it was very bad judgement. It certainly does raise questions about his integrity. Was it evil? Is he an evil person ? That's hard to say. What he did do is submit a fish for the Derby which was disqualified as it didn't meet the conditions of a qualifying entry. In my mind that is hardly a criminal act. He'll slink off somewhere. His Facebook page looks to be closed for the time being and after a few days or weeks most people will forget all about him.
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Hmm… As I’ve never entered a fish into a derby, I’m curious what “process” a fish goes through to be entered into this steelhead derby. Does the angler have to make a verbal, or written and signed, declaration to attest that the fish was caught, retained and entered in accordance with provincial fishing regulations and/or derby rules. Or does one just show up, dragging a steelhead behind you, throw it up on the scale, and present a derby registration? Does the registration form have such a declaration, signed or a unsigned, or do you just pay an entrance fee and you’re in?
So much curiosity…
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All the rules are stated in the registration. One just shows up with the fish. I have entered and caught fish in the Wally Hall Derby, I simply took the fish to Fred’s for a weigh in and photo. The reg and license are checked then. Other than that it’s pretty much an honour system. Don’t know how they would know if it was from another river… ?!
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Hmm… As I’ve never entered a fish into a derby, I’m curious what “process” a fish goes through to be entered into this steelhead derby.
I said a few things about that earlier in the thread. Maybe you should read it. or you can read this;
https://www.fredscustomtackle.com/_files/ugd/11322e_3a5396aaac5f45f4a4d2317638923b7e.pdf
I think little of Derbies like these and view them as anachronisms. They are as much about marketing as about raising money for 'conservation'. There are many ways to do that without the down side of "derbies". My 2 cents.
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I said a few things about that earlier in the thread. Maybe you should read it. If the the boxing day derby and the Wally Hall Derby don't do much to ensure the entries are valid well what can I say? I think little of Derbies like these and view them as anachronisms. They are as much about marketing as about raising money for 'conservation'. There are many ways to do that without the down side of "derbies". My 2 cents.
Yes sir, I did read the few things you wrote earlier in the thread. I thought you had a good point and so that’s why I inquired about the accountabilities/checks and balances of this particular derby.
Bobby b had some helpful info about that.
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did he win last years derby??
Fred's Custom Tackle
January 24
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Congratulations 🥳 to Brian Mirea, winner of the 2021 "Boxing Day" Derby 🏆 Second place went to Justin Michael, Third place to Kevin Johnson, Fourth place to Devin Noel (Fred was feeling generous and gave Devin a prize too), and Jacob Bergen who came in fifth and took the prize for the first fish of the derby (also a last minute gesture from Fred).
Thank you to everyone who participated 🙏🏻. All prizes were provided by @fredscustomtackle.guiding, meaning EVERY PENNY from your registration will be going directly to the Fraser Valley Watershed Coalition to fund spawning and rearing habitat creation and maintenance on the Chilliwack/Vedder River. ❤️
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Totally agree, this was planned out since December 17 when the fish was caught and killed on the Alloutte. To say he made a “mistake” is so what’s wrong in the world today.
Caught on the alloutte? do you know more of the story?
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After the derby ended, that evening Fred was ready to declare Brian as the winner and putting together a write-up for it. Meanwhile, I was tipped off with evidence on what had taken place, so told Fred to stop his write-up. If that hadn't happened, we would be having a different conversation right now.
This kid needs help to be honest, and this would only be good for both him and those around him in the long run. Years ago he came to me as a teen asking for advices to handle being bullied online. I took the time to tell him what he could do and point him toward the right direction, but he has done the opposite since. IMO this was all done a a prank, just like all the other stunts he has pulled, to fill a void in his life. It's not a mistake, and it would only keep going if he wasn't caught, and the stakes and consequences would only get higher.
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For a relatively small business like Fred's doing all the desired forensics would be really difficult and time consuming not to mention expensive. The risk may just have to be accepted. They could also consider announcing or confirming the winners for a day or two though to protect themselves from incidents like this.
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Huh? So...everyone you know that has ever been caught cheating/stealing or similar you have cut all ties with? You've never cheated on anything or made a similar mistake? I didn't say the guy was my best buddy or someone I hold in high regard as an ethical person. All I said was I bump into him on the river from time to time, and we chat fishing for a minute or two, then go our separate ways.
Also cheating in a fishing derby is certainly unethical, and if one were to keep prizes/money it could meet the criminal code definition of fraud, and result in charges. However, I personally wouldn't use the term "evil." I work in the prison system and have seen/read true evil. Like people who rape and pimp out their own children.
I'm sure this young man will have to live with the consequences of this for a long time. At least in the fishing community. Outside the fishing community, I doubt anyone really cares. Was discussing this at work last night with my fishing buddy. We were losing our minds in disbelief of what has transpired. The half dozen or so other people in the room who don't fish didn't see what the big deal was. The comments were more or less "well then take away his prize and ban him from future derbies."
SS - take the guy under your wing and show him the ins & outs of life, as you & your buddies see things.
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After the derby ended, that evening Fred was ready to declare Brian as the winner and putting together a write-up for it. Meanwhile, I was tipped off with evidence on what had taken place, so told Fred to stop his write-up. If that hadn't happened, we would be having a different conversation right now.
This kid needs help to be honest, and this would only be good for both him and those around him in the long run. Years ago he came to me as a teen asking for advices to handle being bullied online. I took the time to tell him what he could do and point him toward the right direction, but he has done the opposite since. IMO this was all done a a prank, just like all the other stunts he has pulled, to fill a void in his life. It's not a mistake, and it would only keep going if he wasn't caught, and the stakes and consequences would only get higher.
As Rodney states this is not the first stunt ,there was questions raised last year regarding his entry. I question the descriptor of Prank as he and others conspired to break the rules for notoriety and reward. However Rodney is right if he isn't held accountable he will continue.
Hopefully this episode will provide the crisis to motivate change in behavior
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After the derby ended, that evening Fred was ready to declare Brian as the winner and putting together a write-up for it. Meanwhile, I was tipped off with evidence on what had taken place, so told Fred to stop his write-up. If that hadn't happened, we would be having a different conversation right now.
This kid needs help to be honest, and this would only be good for both him and those around him in the long run. Years ago he came to me as a teen asking for advices to handle being bullied online. I took the time to tell him what he could do and point him toward the right direction, but he has done the opposite since. IMO this was all done a a prank, just like all the other stunts he has pulled, to fill a void in his life. It's not a mistake, and it would only keep going if he wasn't caught, and the stakes and consequences would only get higher.
I think stuff like this happens because of the softness of society nowadays. Before people would act proper and think before they do something or else they'd get hurt... Not saying that's right but nowadays people get away with way too much, way too many times. First time may be a mistake, but repeat offenders deserve serious consequences. Lines need to be drawn of what's acceptable and what is not, most things are just uncommon sense.
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At least the system Fred's Tackle has set up, whatever it is, caught this. It worked. As far as what this fellow did it was very bad judgement. It certainly does raise questions about his integrity. Was it evil? Is he an evil person ? That's hard to say. What he did do is submit a fish for the Derby which was disqualified as it didn't meet the conditions of a qualifying entry. In my mind that is hardly a criminal act. He'll slink off somewhere. His Facebook page looks to be closed for the time being and after a few days or weeks most people will forget all about him.
When there are prizes and maybe money involved it’s fraud. Plain and simple.
If the derby was for bragging rights only then not a big deal.
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I think stuff like this happens because of the softness of society nowadays. Before people would act proper and think before they do something or else they'd get hurt... Not saying that's right but nowadays people get away with way too much, way too many times. First time may be a mistake, but repeat offenders deserve serious consequences. Lines need to be drawn of what's acceptable and what is not, most things are just uncommon sense.
I don't think so, there are always consequences, no different today than before.
What we are talking about here is a bit different. A sociopath (yes, I believe that's what this is) has no moral compass and would lie or cheat to get the highs they need. We're talking about someone who made up a fake organization back in July when Rufus got beaten up, posed as the president of that so-called organization, went on Global BC, fake cried during the interview, all because what... he thinks he can.
And he's going to business school? Good thing he got caught in a fishing derby, this could have been, still could be, a new Bernie Madoff in the making lol...
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I think stuff like this happens because of the softness of society nowadays. Before people would act proper and think before they do something or else they'd get hurt... Not saying that's right but nowadays people get away with way too much, way too many times. First time may be a mistake, but repeat offenders deserve serious consequences. Lines need to be drawn of what's acceptable and what is not, most things are just uncommon sense.
When was this halcyon "before time"? In many ways what I recall from the earlier period of my life was that things were about the same or perhaps somewhat worse. Back then society turned it's head to many crimes like spousal abuse and sexual assault. Sport Fishing has developed a harder edge. People are very competitive about who is a good great or better angler. There is a lot of ego and status seeking involved but that isn't new. Social media has affected our lives. Many studies are finding that for a good number of individuals social media actually makes them feel less happy and more isolated. Supposedly social media makes these people feel that they can never match the 'standard' social media seems to set. Some social media sites are more akin to battle royals where virtually anything is allowed not short lies & libel. But that's nothing new. I've been on the net, pre-web, close to 30 years when these kind of social networks were text based. It was pretty much the same. The rumor mill usually greatly exaggerates accusations. Take that into consideration. Likewise whatever this individual may have done how can you or anyone hold him to account with 'serious consequences'? What could be done has been done.
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When there are prizes and maybe money involved it’s fraud. Plain and simple.
If the derby was for bragging rights only then not a big deal.
That's your opinion. I am not a lawyer. Are you? Criminal charges are not laid based on rumor prattling on the internet.There has to be evidence of a crime. The Police have to investigate and compile evidence. Actual criminal intent has to be determined. After that Crown counsel has to determine there is a high probability of a conviction if it goes to court. Even then there may not be a conviction without which there isn't a finding of fraud.
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Sport Fishing has developed a harder edge. People are very competitive about who is a good great or better angler. There is a lot of ego and status seeking involved but that isn't new. Social media has affected our lives.
He is a product of the whole vedder social media scene of having to be some top rod, proving how many you catch, saying your on the water all the time so your the smartest bestest fishing guro like it means something (spoiler no one cares). So you can strawman people call them beaks and everything.
its a pretty disgusting testosterone driven cesspool
is anyone really surprised we see this coming out of the same scene of people who cheered on a guide that gave that kid a beating
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LOL! you said what I was afraid to say. Happens in other places as well though it can be intense on the V/C.
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Do we know for sure that he's a business major at SFU ? Won't surprise me that it's another ruse to fatten his resume.
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Our own George Santos!
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He also currently lists himself as a server at Pizza Hut. I bet that's a lie [snork] [snork]
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I don't think so, there are always consequences, no different today than before.
yea but today's consequences don't put fear in anyone. If there is no fear to break the rules they will be broken. If they know the consequences are miniscule they have more motivation to do harm. Not that I think its so serious he should've gone to jail but still nowadays I think we are too soft.
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Apparently the DFO is quite keen on pursuing Mr Mirea.
There may have actually been some laws broken for his little stunt.
Beyond wrongfully marking his license....
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Now the DFO …
yea but today's consequences don't put fear in anyone.
I’d bet he’s also suffering somewhat …. via social media.
He pretty much has gone dark. I’m sure he’s lost respect from his own family and friends etc… esp if this has affected any of his known associates and, by the sound of it, his accomplices.
The digital shadow of this will follow him for good. I’d hope the shame of this would keep him away from the river at least in the near future…..
If he did this, then he deserves the embarrassment and any legal issues that come of it. A cheat is a cheat and is probably always will be a cheat.
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Do we know for sure that he's a business major at SFU ? Won't surprise me that it's another ruse to fatten his resume.
Current SFU student here ... I’ve asked my buddies in the Business Program if they have heard of him and they haven’t but I would be surprised because “Beedie” business school has a reputation of being called “Beedie Bastards “ . Lots of slimey bastards are a product of that school. Who knows you might be able to Find Brian Mirea fishing at The SFU Koi Pond ;D ;D
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Apparently the DFO is quite keen on pursuing Mr Mirea.
There may have actually been some laws broken for his little stunt.
Beyond wrongfully marking his license....
I would be surprised if DFO got involved with this as they have no jurisdiction over steelhead.
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I would venture to guess Brian Mirea and his buddy’s are laughing about this amongst themselves. Look at the jet boat goon that put the beat down on Rufus got off scott free and Brian will get away with this stunt without facing any charges as well i would think. These two incidents are very disgusting and gives the Chilliwack/Vedder river fishing community two black eyes.
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...I would say three black eyes. 8)
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I would be surprised if DFO got involved with this as they have no jurisdiction over steelhead.
You're right, it'll be the conservation officers, and whom ever lays charges under the fish & wildlife laws.
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Apparently the DFO is quite keen on pursuing Mr Mirea.
Can it be that DFO believes that Mr Mirea is the King pin running the illegal salmon fisheries on the Fraser River?
No it's not true! ::) ::)
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Prize was returned to Fred's today and Brian's name will also be removed from last year's derby winner on the trophy.
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Prize was returned to Fred's today and Brian's name will also be removed from last year's derby winner on the trophy.
Smart move to return the money, makes any charges now way less likely to happen.
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He returned last year’s prize ?
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I would venture to guess Brian Mirea and his buddy’s are laughing about this amongst themselves. Look at the jet boat goon that put the beat down on Rufus got off scott free and Brian will get away with this stunt without facing any charges as well i would think. These two incidents are very disgusting and gives the Chilliwack/Vedder river fishing community two black eyes.
Sorry to switch this up at bit, but is this true? What happened to the jet boat guys who committed the assault? Was there any update? Last I heard, the RCMP were investigating which can take a long time.
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Sorry to switch this up at bit, but is this true? What happened to the jet boat guys who committed the assault? Was there any update? Last I heard, the RCMP were investigating which can take a long time.
I've seen or heard nothing about that POS or his buddies that assaulted Rufus. You would think by now some kind of decision would of happened. That guy with the black hair that was kicking Rufus when he was down on the ground also needs to pay for this.
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I seen or heard nothing about that POS or his buddies that assaulted Rufus. You would think by now some kind of decision would of happened. That guy with the black hair that was kicking Rufus when he was down on the ground also needs to pay for this.
I agree, this incident seems to have "dis-appeared" for some reason.
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Prize was returned to Fred's today and Brian's name will also be removed from last year's derby winner on the trophy.
What was the prize? Was he cheating at last years derby as well?
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What was the prize? Was he cheating at last years derby as well?
Who knows?
However there is no chance he will be nominated to the Chilliwack and Vedder River Steelheaders Hall of Fame!
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However there is no chance he will be nominated to the Chilliwack and Vedder River Steelheaders Hall of Fame!
LOL! No doubt about it.
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Rod saves the derby! Thanks for looking into it. I was one of first that posted that something wasn't right about the fish and that it wasn't cool that it had not been cancelled and rescheduled. Glad you took extra steps to make things right Rod. Looking forward to getting out there on the 14th!. No more freezer fish! No stuffing bellys either!
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I don't think so, there are always consequences, no different today than before.
What we are talking about here is a bit different. A sociopath (yes, I believe that's what this is) has no moral compass and would lie or cheat to get the highs they need. We're talking about someone who made up a fake organization back in July when Rufus got beaten up, posed as the president of that so-called organization, went on Global BC, fake cried during the interview, all because what... he thinks he can.
And he's going to business school? Good thing he got caught in a fishing derby, this could have been, still could be, a new Bernie Madoff in the making lol...
I don't know anything about Mirea and wouldn't hazard a guess why he did what he did. However I wanted to say that the vast majority of people who commit crimes, lie , cheat, 'screw people over' etc are not sociopaths or psychopaths. Both of these categories are not recognized psychiatric disorders but are lumped into the category of Antisocial Personality Disorders (ASPD). It takes consider education,training and experience to diagnose these. It's far more common for normal people to exhibit the same behaviors from time to time, the big difference being they usually feel or are inclined to feel bad about it afterward and have a capacity to change their behaviour. Truth is many of the people with the ASPD disorder lead outwardly normal lives and not a few rise to positions of high responsibility where their lack of empathy, facile charm and charisma seem to provide them an advantage. That's the world we live in!
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......the accepted technical term is douche bag......
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......the accepted technical term is douche bag......
LOL!
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Was talking to this Brian Guy the day of derby. Was calling him out inquiring on the suspect fish and video and pictures and false posts of past. I was trying to be diplomatic about it. His response. Oh what is your IQ so low you can't figure out a joke. I was joking. You don't know anything about steelheading. Got very defensive on videos and visibilty that day and that there are lots of colored bucks this time of year. Ya OK bud. I have many pictures examples of early steel on vedder they are all chrome fresher than fresh. His fish had dull scales and limp fins. It looked thawed out If you ever froze a fish whole then defrosted it. That what it looked like. So he defended that the clarity was good until 11 am which it wasn't. I asked if he was fighting a rock fish in that choppy faked video. Then started childishly calling me names. So I just ended by saying if it is a good fish then good for you. But if you cheated then most shameful disrespectful thing. Derby isn't about winning. It's about raising funds getting out for a day being part of a tradition and maybe u get lucky. Inclusion and not deterring others from attending like you have done. You have no credibility. Some deserve to win. You aren't one of them.
Now he completely disappeared off social media. But sure he will be back under some other name.
LOL!
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It's best to engage with such people as little as possible.
If the fish looked like it had spent a week or more in the freezer, it makes me wonder why this wasn't questioned at the weigh in. It's called due diligence.
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Comic relief
A job interview with a sociopath:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTIfU4zMQWY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTIfU4zMQWY)
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No doubt the cheat returns under a different name. Do we even know if the fraudster name is Brian Mirea? Maybe it’s a fake name as well for all we know.
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Are you a Sociopath? Take the test!
https://www.idrlabs.com/3-minute-sociopathy/test.php (https://www.idrlabs.com/3-minute-sociopathy/test.php)
I did and scored very low...in the green. Pretty hard not to pass.
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Wonder what this guy's handle is on here?
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It's like the person who is unfaithful to their spouse and says "I had an affair". Isn't that a nice politically correct way to explain what they did. What they really did is commit 'adultery', but when was the last time you heard someone say "I committed adultery"? Probably never. Society has softened the terms/words of the evil they do to make it more palatable for the masses.
When people start calling out evil with the correct words/terms, then.....maybe the people doing that evil will stop being so calloused to it.
Funny post.
You preach that we should be calling a spade a spade, yet at the same time you state that every affair is adultery and label cheating in a fishing derby and having an affair as "evil" acts.
That's where your post loses all validity.
FYI, having an affair in NOT the same as committing adultery and is seldom used as an argument in divorce proceedings.
As a matter of fact, if you cheat on your wife you are indeed "having an affair", not committing adultery. It only becomes adultery if your spouse hires a lawyer to divorce you on the grounds of your infidelity. So of course nobody "commits adultery". Having an affair can entail much more than having sex with people outside your marriage. There are platonic, non sexual affairs that even legally cannot qualify as adultery, as much as some lawyers and angry partners would like them to.
So yes, I think it is actually quite important to call things out for what they really are and not dump everything in the same basket like you do.
But there are differences (sometimes large, sometime just nuances) that help us distinguish between the ugly and the evil. Failing to take those differences into account would make us no better than some rabid medieval inquisition court.
A misguided young man cheating his way into winning a fishing derby might be wrong, childish, stupid, disappointing, even ugly, but "evil" it is not.
If you think it is, you really have no clue what "evil" really means.
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Nice one Milo. Thanks!
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Agreed Ralph! And welcome to the bank!!! LOL. ;D
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Funny post.
You preach that we should be calling a spade a spade, yet at the same time you state that every affair is adultery and label cheating in a fishing derby and having an affair as "evil" acts.
That's where your post loses all validity.
FYI, having an affair in NOT the same as committing adultery and is seldom used as an argument in divorce proceedings.
As a matter of fact, if you cheat on your wife you are indeed "having an affair", not committing adultery. It only becomes adultery if your spouse hires a lawyer to divorce you on the grounds of your infidelity. So of course nobody "commits adultery". Having an affair can entail much more than having sex with people outside your marriage. There are platonic, non sexual affairs that even legally cannot qualify as adultery, as much as some lawyers and angry partners would like them to.
So yes, I think it is actually quite important to call things out for what they really are and not dump everything in the same basket like you do.
But there are differences (sometimes large, sometime just nuances) that help us distinguish between the ugly and the evil. Failing to take those differences into account would make us no better than some rabid medieval inquisition court.
A misguided young man cheating his way into winning a fishing derby might be wrong, childish, stupid, disappointing, even ugly, but "evil" it is not.
If you think it is, you really have no clue what "evil" really means.
Oh believe me I know what 'evil' really means.
I was going to go over your post point by point, but your comments on 'adultery vs affair' are so far gone that it is blatantly obvious you have no idea about anything to do with morality.
I will leave you with this. Next time you look outside or read the news, etc, etc...and see all the things wrong in the world today....just go back to this post of yours and you will have all the answers you need.
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I think one of Milo's points was that adultery is a legal concept with a precise meaning. in many US states adultery is illegal. Adultery is also quite common & depending on the community and the study, varies from about 10% of married adults to around 50. The difference between men and women has narrowed in the last decades. Also worth keeping in mind that these numbers only reflect the responses of married people who admit to it. Actual numbers are likely higher.
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I think one of Milo's points was that adultery is a legal concept with a precise meaning. in many US states adultery is illegal. Adultery is also quite common & depending on the community and the study, varies from about 10% of married adults to around 50. The difference between men and women has narrowed in the last decades. Also worth keeping in mind that these numbers only reflect the responses of married people who admit to it. Actual numbers are likely higher.
Everyone ready for the Derby?! We are discussing rigging a fishing derby here, not philosophical lectures and legalities on affairs. Sharpen those hooks!
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Oh believe me I know what 'evil' really means.
For your own good, I hope you don't. At least not firsthand.
Given that you've publicly labelled me amoral, there is not much more for me to say, except that you are obviously judgmental, and as such undeserving of my second thought. Have a good day, whatever it is that makes it a good one in your highly moral world.
bj23 is right. Let's focus on the derby. Hopefully no one stuffs their catch with led this year.
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bj23 is right. Let's focus on the derby. Hopefully no one stuffs their catch with led this year.
Here here.
I've been fishing pretty hard and have yet to touch a fish. Lower river is looking better and better though. If the worst of the rain holds off it should be fine fishing next weekend.
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Funny post.
You preach that we should be calling a spade a spade, yet at the same time you state that every affair is adultery and label cheating in a fishing derby and having an affair as "evil" acts.
That's where your post loses all validity.
FYI, having an affair in NOT the same as committing adultery and is seldom used as an argument in divorce proceedings.
As a matter of fact, if you cheat on your wife you are indeed "having an affair", not committing adultery. It only becomes adultery if your spouse hires a lawyer to divorce you on the grounds of your infidelity. So of course nobody "commits adultery". Having an affair can entail much more than having sex with people outside your marriage. There are platonic, non sexual affairs that even legally cannot qualify as adultery, as much as some lawyers and angry partners would like them to.
So yes, I think it is actually quite important to call things out for what they really are and not dump everything in the same basket like you do.
But there are differences (sometimes large, sometime just nuances) that help us distinguish between the ugly and the evil. Failing to take those differences into account would make us no better than some rabid medieval inquisition court.
A misguided young man cheating his way into winning a fishing derby might be wrong, childish, stupid, disappointing, even ugly, but "evil" it is not.
If you think it is, you really have no clue what "evil" really means.
i normally have a witty response to milo but sometimes a picture is worth a 1000 words.
(https://i.ibb.co/dp869jt/itsalive.jpg)
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Well this thread has gotten very weird. Dude cheated. Got busted. OK let's go win a boxing day derby. 25 years I only weighed 2 fish in. Figure that out. Many wilds released. Let's Go!
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Lots of rain ( 60+mm) and rise in the freezing level expected over the next 2 to 3 days. Could the Derby be a washout again?
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I bet it will be fishable. Most of the snow is already gone, and the rain is spread out...
Someone will hook up
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Graph spiked at 2.6 or so now looks like slight drop starting so fingers crossed.
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Graph spiked at 2.6 or so now looks like slight drop starting so fingers crossed.
At least 10 fish will be weighted tomorrow. Good rain
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Postponed until 22nd.
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Is there a prize for a person who correctly predicts the Boxing Day Derby will be " postponed"?
Well, Mother Nature certainly has had her way with us this year. The river is not in good shape today, so we've decided to postpone the Boxing Day Steelhead Derby until next Sunday
;D
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Is there a prize for a person who correctly predicts the Boxing Day Derby will be " postponed"?
;D
lol.
(https://i.ibb.co/g48dVqY/2023-01-13-184618-copy.jpg)
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Dam! I pulled one out of the freezer for tomorrow. :o
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Dam! I pulled one out of the freezer for tomorrow. :o
its ok, I read somewhere you can flash freeze multiple times, nobody will be able to tell ;D
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Dam! I pulled one out of the freezer for tomorrow. :o
LOL.That’s awesome! 😀
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don't know how accurate it is , but I was told 750 ticket shave been sold for the derby this coming Sunday. If so it should be a touch crowded out there for those participating in it. Hope it's a great day for all out there.
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Was out today and the water is perfect. Should be a great day for the crowds to catch everything in the river!
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Was out today and the water is perfect. Should be a great day for the crowds to catch everything in the river!
one of the downsides of derbies.
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Was out today and the water is perfect. Should be a great day for the crowds to catch everything in the river!
Catch anything? Going out tomorrow 🤞
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Catch anything? Going out tomorrow 🤞
Nothing but a buzz!
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I heard only 4 fish weighed in. Over 700 entries. That horrible results for ideal water conditions.
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That's what happens when u schedule it for a Sunday. Worst day to do it if u want numbers.
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...and the winners is:
(https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/326751828_3374435499496511_2525757295697631932_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=ZLPAtyeeSJIAX_W3dD8&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=00_AfD1oWKaiy7k-aZef12Reb87YQi5VxAH9P1ApKzqjjpmiQ&oe=63D1E5D6)
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=642518904542514&set=a.526897029438036 (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=642518904542514&set=a.526897029438036)