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Title: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on August 31, 2021, 01:14:48 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/gqfi4bS.jpg)

It is that time of the year again! The fall salmon fishery in Chilliwack/Vedder River takes place between late August and early December. Like past seasons, I usually like to get this information up and provide ongoing updates so those who are new to the fishery can have a chance to enjoy what this river has to offer by learning proper techniques, staying informed on regulations and etiquettes.


Fish species

All five salmon species are found in this river during these months, but only some can be targeted and/or retained.



Fishing regulations

The salmon regulations of Chilliwack River, including the daily quota of each species, can be found in Region 2 of the Freshwater salmon supplement (https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/rec/fresh-douce/region2-eng.html).


Cultus Lake sockeye salmon alert

Cultus Lake sockeye salmon are endangered and usually enter the Chilliwack River in late summer so their run time overlaps with other fall salmon species. All sockeye salmon caught in the Chilliwack River are required to be released carefully. Please be aware of the difference between a coho and a sockeye salmon. Some Cultus Lake sockeye salmon are also missing their adipose fin so please don't confuse them with hatchery-marked coho salmon. Read about it some more... (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/files/2012-08-24-adipose-clipped-sockeye-alert.pdf)


How to float fish more effectively for coho salmon?

To effectively catch salmon on the Vedder by float fishing, you want to keep your offerings in the strike zone. New anglers have a tendency to mistaken the strike zone as the depth where the fish are sitting. It is not. Salmonids look up and strike at the offerings above them. The fish position themselves near the bottom, so the strike zone is usually 1 or 2 feet above the river bed. This technique does not only apply to the Chilliwack River, but also other Lower Fraser River tributaries.

Gear setup

Rod:9' to 10'6" baitcasting or centerpin rod, rated between 8 and 20lb
Reel:Small baitcasting reels or centerpin reels
Main line:12 to 15lb test
Leader:6 to 10lb test
Hook:Size 4 to 2/0

The diagrams below illustrate the correct and not-so-correct ways of float depth adjustment.

Excessive length of leader

(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/albums/album34/050918_2.gif)

For some reason, many people believe a longer leader would produce more fish, quite the opposite! Your hook will always travel faster than your weight in a river. By using a long leader, your hook and bait are lifted up higher from the river bed, away from the strike zone.

Excessive float depth

(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/albums/album34/050918_3.gif)

Some choose to adjust their float depth so the weight is "tapping" or sitting on the bottom. The weight will usually anchor itself to the river bed, while the float drifts slowly or becomes stationary. Two things will result from this setup:


My way of float adjustment, but not necessarily the ONLY way

(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/albums/album34/050918_1.gif)

So far this has worked very well by producing about a dozen or more coho each season on the Vedder River without losing any hook, weight or line. I usually like to keep my leader length (the line between the hook and weight) around 1.5 feet in length. Judging the depth by looking at the gradient of the river bank and the water, I adjust my float depth (the length from the float to the hook) so that it is about 1 to 2 feet shorter than the actual depth. When this is drifted, the bait will lift a few inches higher, remaining in the strike zone. When the float dips under the water, there is no hesitation as I don't need to question whether it is a snag or a fish. The hook is usually set hard and most of the time the fight is on.

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Some other small adjustments

I find these adjustments would connect me into more fish in the past.



Video resources

Some videos to get you started.



Water condition updates

Throughout the season, members will post up water condition updates so everyone can be alerted if condition is not ideal. Please feel free to post updates in this thread after your trips. We can all benefit from each other's updates and save gasoline and cost of our season. Please do not ask for updates. All requests will be deleted.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: iblly on August 31, 2021, 04:59:36 AM
Have you put this back up because you got a hoho already :-)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on August 31, 2021, 11:48:33 AM
Um, no. I haven't touched a hoho nor have I touched my rod since early July. I know, it's incredibly unhealthy so I am determined to change that soon... :-X
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: iblly on August 31, 2021, 01:21:15 PM
Driving along the lower today see a few cars and trucks around
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: iblly on September 01, 2021, 10:20:08 AM
I hear guys are launching at barrow town and running down to the mouth but Fraser is not open for salmon is it ?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Wiseguy on September 01, 2021, 05:18:35 PM
It is still closed for Salmon if I’m reading the Sept 1 updated fishery notice correctly. They are probally fishing for Sturgeon at least let’s hope so. Back in the day we used to fish the canal for cutthroat out of a car topper and hardly ever see anyone around. Then as the yrs went by the Vedder canal turned into a boater hwy with the big jets roaring down to access the Fraser and that ended that.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Noahs Arc on September 02, 2021, 02:42:37 PM
Roared down to the mouth in my big jet boat 2 days ago and saw a few boats anchored up in a line trying to catch sturgeon with pink spoons and spinners.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: jim on September 04, 2021, 06:16:17 AM
A friend and I scouted around the lower Vedder on the 2nd. We saw no pinks, but did see a small school of springs I think. A few teenagers had spotted them also and were fishing with one rod to try and catch them. they were in a side channel in super slow water, so I could see silver grey sides on a few, down 8-9 feet below. guys were gear fishing at a couple well known spots, and a few fly fishers in the canal.
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Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: fic on September 10, 2021, 06:50:21 AM
Low and Clear obviously. The fish are not moving through in the day time it seems. They are hiding out in holes until night time.  Need some rain/clouds to get them moving like a fish conveyer belt.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 10, 2021, 01:55:32 PM
Fair amount of pink salmon can be found throughout the lower river now. Hopefully a little bit of rain in the forecast will spread things out a bit.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Wiseguy on September 10, 2021, 04:16:54 PM
Had a look see at the dog park today. A dozen anglers below the crossing on either side of the bridge. They were fruitlessly flailing away. The river is super low and clear.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Old Blue on September 10, 2021, 05:37:12 PM
Lot's of waves of pinks that I saw this afternoon in the short time I swung by above the canal.  I stepped away from a small crowd that were spaced very far apart and found some fly water to myself and quickly dispatched two great looking fish on my 6 weight that'll be sturgeon bait on sunday.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: iblly on September 10, 2021, 07:25:59 PM
Fished today between crossing and peach road, hooked several pinks and one coho. Lost the coho. Not a lot of water to choose but I managed to stay away from the “meat holes”. Saw to coho dispatched.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on September 13, 2021, 04:21:50 PM
caught 10 or more pinks in the lower river in about 5 hours plus lost a good number including a spring. Saw one spring and one jack landed and another angler lose a nice spring. Pinks are turning colour. I kept 2. One still had sea lice.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: iblly on September 13, 2021, 08:06:03 PM
Awesome. I fished three hours yesterday between crossing and peach on yarrow side and only hooked one pink. I did avoid the crowded hot spots though.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 13, 2021, 09:05:41 PM
We popped down to the lower river for a couple of hours this afternoon and pulled in a chinook jack. Well, Nina did, and I hopped in the photo...

(https://i.imgur.com/VPrmdGN.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: wildmanyeah on September 13, 2021, 10:10:48 PM
Released a lot of jacks this year at sandheads this September some a pretty nice size too
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: 243Pete on September 14, 2021, 07:29:26 AM
We popped down to the lower river for a couple of hours this afternoon and pulled in a chinook jack. Well, Nina did, and I hopped in the photo...

Lots of chunky footballs this year.

Nina seems to out fish you a fair bit when she does hit the river.  ;)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 14, 2021, 03:03:33 PM
:o

ok here comes the rain, season is over. ;D
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 14, 2021, 06:44:05 PM
New video tonight at 7pm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsAQlXfPcoI
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Fish Assassin on September 14, 2021, 08:24:28 PM
Best line in the video, Nina to Rod: "Where's your fish ?"  Ouch ! :D
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 14, 2021, 10:37:15 PM
Sigh...
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: FlyFishin Magician on September 14, 2021, 10:45:21 PM
Great vid Rod! I enjoyed watching that. Those pinks sure do have soft mouths. I find a 50/50 landing ratio is quite respectable with these fish. Also, thanks for the cooking tip! Looks delish!
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: dennisK on September 17, 2021, 06:08:06 AM
We popped down to the lower river for a couple of hours this afternoon and pulled in a chinook jack. Well, Nina did, and I hopped in the photo...

 

great smiles Rod. btw, what brand waders are yours? I just got a pair from aliexpress with the same orange zipper...
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: fic on September 17, 2021, 07:11:13 AM
So how's the water looking?  Is the canal flooded bank to bank yet?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: lapa on September 17, 2021, 10:10:28 AM
So how's the water looking?  Is the canal flooded bank to bank yet?

Base of Real-Time Hydrometric Data Graph, the same as yesterday
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on September 17, 2021, 10:23:21 AM
I'd guess it will color up before it goes bank to bank.

Was good there yesterday! In about 5 hours I must have fair hooked over 20 pinks and landed well over a dozen. More fish were silvery. most of the gear guys fishing with roe took a spring or a jack. Pretty crowded though.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: milo on September 17, 2021, 09:09:50 PM
The river held up quite nicely for most of the day.Those who braved the elements in the early hours today were handsomely rewarded. It became quite miserable after 12:00 pm. No jacket, not even a Simms Guide model can take such punishment for more than a couple of hours.

Disclaimer: I did not fish today. I'm quoting a very dear and reliable friend of mine who did.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: poper on September 17, 2021, 10:05:10 PM
Water was good, when I left at 3 ish, the rivers so low that it can handle lots of rain, but the water clarity is not going to be good tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: fic on September 18, 2021, 06:27:19 AM
Wow water level really spiked. Same with Cable Pool in Capilano. 
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bobby b on September 18, 2021, 08:04:39 AM
Yup.... Cap is off the chart..looks dangerous....I'll bet Vedder is prob choco milk and full of debris ... so much for fishing today! Hopefully tomorrow ...
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 19, 2021, 01:53:28 PM
River dropped back down to 1.9m this morning at the crossing, fishable, but on the rise slowly again.

New video on float fishing setups for pink salmon. This one is more for newcomers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwPPPn7cEHc
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: coastangler on September 19, 2021, 02:40:25 PM
Hit the river early this AM to enjoy one last weekend of pinks on the fly. Water was a bit dirty but not terrible - still on the greenish side and not a lot of clay/chocolate milk colour to it. Once I found the right water speed with pinks on it, I caught 4. Most of them were turned already so didn't keep any. Saw a few guys catching springs on roe.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 19, 2021, 10:45:04 PM
River conditions were looking good tonight with plenty of visibility and a bit of brown tint to it. We covered several runs with surprisingly no one around on a Sunday afternoon. Three of the runs didn't produce anything, but Nina managed to hook three chinook jacks in the last run while my float top stayed dry (except the rain drops) the entire time.... This should be a great week ahead of us.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 20, 2021, 10:52:25 PM
Plenty of movement along the river today. Water clarity was excellent, and chinooks salmon are on the move throughout the day.

(https://i.imgur.com/3w9WCaF.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 21, 2021, 03:16:16 PM
Casting into the sunset for the last light bite.

(https://i.imgur.com/GQNq1Tg.jpg)

Conditions remain excellent.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Vancouver_2010 on September 21, 2021, 07:33:27 PM
Hitting the river up early tomorrow. Will likely spend some time exploring, but just wondering how widely distributed the fish are right now? Are people having much luck above the crossing?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 23, 2021, 12:44:43 AM
Not a whole lot of fish moving about today. We spent a good four hours bouncing between spots without much success before coming home at 2:00pm. I popped out again at 5:00pm and this time the fishing was better.

(https://i.imgur.com/mQxBOkk.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Phronesis on September 23, 2021, 09:00:29 AM
Not a whole lot of fish moving about today. We spent a good four hours bouncing between spots without much success before coming home at 2:00pm. I popped out again at 5:00pm and this time the fishing was better.

(https://i.imgur.com/mQxBOkk.jpg)


Nice spring !

Two weeks ago, I was fishing in vedder canal away from closely packed spot to a not-so-close spot - I noticed a lot of dead pinks (close to 9 or 10 ) not so colored fish, flowing away. They definitely didnt spawn but I think they died because of careless handling or fighting the fish for too long. I realized I may have unknowningly killed some too - even though I handled the fish in water and didnt fight it for too long, how would i know that those fish I released made it to spawning? - guess there is no way to know.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: essyoo on September 23, 2021, 09:37:58 AM
Is there anything you're doing different with your presentation to target springs? I have yet to catch one in the vedder and I'd love to get into some this season. From what I understand it's looking for the deeper pockets but is that it?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: sbc hris on September 23, 2021, 10:39:59 AM
Is there anything you're doing different with your presentation to target springs? I have yet to catch one in the vedder and I'd love to get into some this season. From what I understand it's looking for the deeper pockets but is that it?
Deeper, and faster water. They like some current flow, sometimes quite a bit. They're suckers for roe. Beads and colorado spinners work good too.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: DanTfisherman on September 23, 2021, 04:03:57 PM
"Two weeks ago, I was fishing in vedder canal away from closely packed spot to a not-so-close spot - I noticed a lot of dead pinks (close to 9 or 10 ) not so colored fish, flowing away. They definitely didnt spawn but I think they died because of careless handling or fighting the fish for too long. I realized I may have unknowningly killed some too - even though I handled the fish in water and didnt fight it for too long, how would i know that those fish I released made it to spawning? - guess there is no way to know."

This is a tough one with no good answer.
I did very well on the lower system with the fly rod this year.
The majority of my fish were caught once the drift ended and I retrieved the fly back to the boat.
I was surprised by the number of fish that came, and when I would play them close to the boat and get ready to land them, significant blood was coming out of their mouth and gills.
Where in good shape, I kept a few of these fish to eat.
But, I noticed the pinks this year seemed to be quite aggressive and some of the fish had the hooks down pretty deep, and in those cases where bleeding quite a bit, had taken the hook in the tongue down deeper in their throat.
All when released (but one) swam away aggressively and full of energy.
My guess is some of them did not make it.

By looking at your time frame, we were likely in the same area on the same weekend.

Dan
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on September 23, 2021, 06:30:19 PM
time to use circle hooks Dan!
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Phronesis on September 23, 2021, 06:38:45 PM
"Two weeks ago, I was fishing in vedder canal away from closely packed spot to a not-so-close spot - I noticed a lot of dead pinks (close to 9 or 10 ) not so colored fish, flowing away. They definitely didnt spawn but I think they died because of careless handling or fighting the fish for too long. I realized I may have unknowningly killed some too - even though I handled the fish in water and didnt fight it for too long, how would i know that those fish I released made it to spawning? - guess there is no way to know."

This is a tough one with no good answer.
I did very well on the lower system with the fly rod this year.
The majority of my fish were caught once the drift ended and I retrieved the fly back to the boat.
I was surprised by the number of fish that came, and when I would play them close to the boat and get ready to land them, significant blood was coming out of their mouth and gills.
Where in good shape, I kept a few of these fish to eat.
But, I noticed the pinks this year seemed to be quite aggressive and some of the fish had the hooks down pretty deep, and in those cases where bleeding quite a bit, had taken the hook in the tongue down deeper in their throat.
All when released (but one) swam away aggressively and full of energy.
My guess is some of them did not make it.

By looking at your time frame, we were likely in the same area on the same weekend.

Dan

Yea, there were lot of pinks easily caught this year. This was my first year fishing for pink salmon so im basically a newbie. I caught quite a few and released all of them except one chrome pink which didnt color at all, i had to double check the fin and spots on the back to ID, also accidentally snagged 3-4 fish in total but changed my setup or moved away from the spot if it happened more than once.

I have noticed that some pinks stage anywhere near the banks to spawn, that is anywhere throughout the river system, i thought they would travel all the way up, is that so?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: jackster on September 24, 2021, 07:45:50 AM
All foul hooked fish die.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 24, 2021, 10:06:19 AM
As mentioned in several posts throughout this year, the Sumas First Nation has been exploring terminal fishing options in the Chilliwack/Vedder River system for their community. Back in July and August, fishing for summer chinook salmon was done for several weeks and just over 50 chinook salmon were harvested. There have also been ongoing discussions since earlier this year about fall fishery options for other species and these will be taking place starting this weekend.

Four salmon species will be harvested and the target numbers are 750 coho salmon (hatchery marked), 2,000 pink salmon, 500 chum salmon and 200 chinook salmon.

Unlike the summer chinook salmon fishery, the method used in the fall fisheries will be an open weir trap. This will be set up just below the confluence of the Sumas River. As shown in the diagram, the weir will be made of a lead line which guides fish into the channels created by the trap lines. Once in the compartment, fish can be removed by dip net. Targeted species can be harvested by this selective fishing practice, while protected species such as wild coho and sockeye salmon can be released without being harmed.

Just a side commentary as always. This has been a collaboration throughout 2021 and I continue to be very impressed by all the groups involved. I am happy that selective fishing options are being considered while none of us really know if this pilot project would actually catch fish. I’m also really pleased to see the harvest target numbers are being kept really conservatively while more work is being done on assessing stock abundance. Lastly, I am grateful that I have been given the opportunity to contribute my knowledge on the recreational fisheries and address concerns that I have had. There are numerous challenges in fisheries across this province and no shortage of divisions in this world, but I am feeling that we are doing something right in this little corner.

More updates to come! :)

(https://i.imgur.com/HjpHF5q.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: CohoJake on September 24, 2021, 10:15:27 AM
All foul hooked fish die.
Yes, all salmon die after spawning.  Given how many fish I have caught with hooks/lures in their bodies, sometimes catching the same fish 2 days in a row, I know some foul hooked fish do manage to make it just fine. The other day my wife landed a pink that had a Brad's Wiggler (a type of salmon plug with 2 treble hooks in it) hooked in it's anal fin.  She actually hooked the lure with her bead leader and landed it that way. It was a great catch, because those plugs are like $8 US each. This fish had obviously been hooked much farther downstream in the Skagit where these lures are commonly used, but we were way upriver fishing for coho - the plug in his fin didn't stop him from making it most of the way to his spawning grounds.

But on the other hand - I feel that pinks will bleed if you just look at them wrong - I've landed plenty that were hooked in the tip of the nose but were still bleeding from their gills/throats. That is why I only fish for pinks when I tend to retain them and I quit after reaching my quota.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: fic on September 24, 2021, 10:35:26 AM
As mentioned in several posts throughout this year, the Sumas First Nation has been exploring terminal fishing options in the Chilliwack/Vedder River system for their community. Back in July and August, fishing for summer chinook salmon was done for several weeks and just over 50 chinook salmon were harvested. There have also been ongoing discussions since earlier this year about fall fishery options for other species and these will be taking place starting this weekend.

Four salmon species will be harvested and the target numbers are 750 coho salmon (hatchery marked), 2,000 pink salmon, 500 chum salmon and 200 chinook salmon.

Unlike the summer chinook salmon fishery, the method used in the fall fisheries will be an open weir trap. This will be set up just below the confluence of the Sumas River. As shown in the diagram, the weir will be made of a lead line which guides fish into the channels created by the trap lines. Once in the compartment, fish can be removed by dip net. Targeted species can be harvested by this selective fishing practice, while protected species such as wild coho and sockeye salmon can be released without being harmed.

Just a side commentary as always. This has been a collaboration throughout 2021 and I continue to be very impressed by all the groups involved. I am happy that selective fishing options are being considered while none of us really know if this pilot project would actually catch fish. I’m also really pleased to see the harvest target numbers are being kept really conservatively while more work is being done on assessing stock abundance. Lastly, I am grateful that I have been given the opportunity to contribute my knowledge on the recreational fisheries and address concerns that I have had. There are numerous challenges in fisheries across this province and no shortage of divisions in this world, but I am feeling that we are doing something right in this little corner.

More updates to come! :)

(https://i.imgur.com/HjpHF5q.jpg)

Interesting info. If the weir works like the rock weir at the Capilano, they should catch tons of fish.  Any idea when they plan to start it or they already have? 
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 24, 2021, 10:43:03 AM
Interesting info. If the weir works like the rock weir at the Capilano, they should catch tons of fish.  Any idea when they plan to start it or they already have?

This work begins today. The fishing times are going to be Thursday to Monday in the weeks to come.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on September 24, 2021, 10:46:55 AM
The seals gonna love the weir trap
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on September 24, 2021, 10:49:28 AM
so great to see the local FN bands adopting selective methods. This is a new one! We are getting close to what has been hoped for a long period of time. Much of the fishing currently done on the Fraser uses fish wheels and beach seines. Beach seines haven't yielded the release survival rates that was hoped for but it is at it's worse no worse than the average loss of gill nets. In most tests it's considerable less. it will be interesting to see the survival rates from this method once it's tested.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 24, 2021, 12:16:34 PM
Now back to the fishing... ;)

The first hatchery coho salmon of the season was a dandy.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZigRVt6.jpg)

FYI, since the rain and river level bump last weekend, the hatchery now has about 600 to 700 coho salmon. Average size appears to be bigger.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 24, 2021, 12:20:48 PM
Is there anything you're doing different with your presentation to target springs? I have yet to catch one in the vedder and I'd love to get into some this season. From what I understand it's looking for the deeper pockets but is that it?

I'm probably the worst person to ask about targeting springs. I tend to fish the more quiet tailouts, away from crowds so I usually end up catching spring jacks instead of big adults.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: canoeboy on September 24, 2021, 12:39:28 PM
Might catch you out that way tomorrow then rod. Looks like the fishing has been good.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: stsfisher on September 24, 2021, 01:00:38 PM
As mentioned in several posts throughout this year, the Sumas First Nation has been exploring terminal fishing options in the Chilliwack/Vedder River system for their community. Back in July and August, fishing for summer chinook salmon was done for several weeks and just over 50 chinook salmon were harvested. There have also been ongoing discussions since earlier this year about fall fishery options for other species and these will be taking place starting this weekend.

Four salmon species will be harvested and the target numbers are 750 coho salmon (hatchery marked), 2,000 pink salmon, 500 chum salmon and 200 chinook salmon.

Unlike the summer chinook salmon fishery, the method used in the fall fisheries will be an open weir trap. This will be set up just below the confluence of the Sumas River. As shown in the diagram, the weir will be made of a lead line which guides fish into the channels created by the trap lines. Once in the compartment, fish can be removed by dip net. Targeted species can be harvested by this selective fishing practice, while protected species such as wild coho and sockeye salmon can be released without being harmed.

Just a side commentary as always. This has been a collaboration throughout 2021 and I continue to be very impressed by all the groups involved. I am happy that selective fishing options are being considered while none of us really know if this pilot project would actually catch fish. I’m also really pleased to see the harvest target numbers are being kept really conservatively while more work is being done on assessing stock abundance. Lastly, I am grateful that I have been given the opportunity to contribute my knowledge on the recreational fisheries and address concerns that I have had. There are numerous challenges in fisheries across this province and no shortage of divisions in this world, but I am feeling that we are doing something right in this little corner.

More updates to come! :)

(https://i.imgur.com/HjpHF5q.jpg)

Just to clarify please? will this trap be 300' across and 300' long in total just below the confluence of the Sumas and Vedder or confluence of what should be known as the Sumas and Fraser? 
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 24, 2021, 01:08:08 PM
The total length of the lead line is 300', the trap is not 300' across. The trap is required to be less than 2/3 across the channel starting from the shallow side, leaving the deeper side of the channel open. This is being set up just downstream from the Sumas confluence where it enters the Vedder, not the Vedder/Sumas confluence to the Fraser.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: wildmanyeah on September 24, 2021, 03:24:07 PM
so great to see the local FN bands adopting selective methods. This is a new one! We are getting close to what has been hoped for a long period of time. Much of the fishing currently done on the Fraser uses fish wheels and beach seines. Beach seines haven't yielded the release survival rates that was hoped for but it is at it's worse no worse than the average loss of gill nets. In most tests it's considerable less. it will be interesting to see the survival rates from this method once it's tested.

Exactly this is what everyone has been asking for. There is usually thousands of chinook and coho as surplus in the hatchery.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on September 24, 2021, 04:00:24 PM
Exactly this is what everyone has been asking for. There is usually thousands of chinook and coho as surplus in the hatchery.

Rod said there were 600-700 coho in the hatchery already. Why bother set up the trap? just scoop the fish in the hatchery
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: roeman on September 24, 2021, 04:50:20 PM
Exactly this is what everyone has been asking for. There is usually thousands of chinook and coho as surplus in the hatchery.

"Surplus"
Thats hillarious.  Since when are fish a surplus..
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on September 24, 2021, 06:34:02 PM
Now back to the fishing... ;)

The first hatchery coho salmon of the season was a dandy.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZigRVt6.jpg)

FYI, since the rain and river level bump last weekend, the hatchery now has about 600 to 700 coho salmon. Average size appears to be bigger.

I got my 1st coho of the season earlier in the week. Not a hatchery fish and not in the Vedder but it was large and one of the most epic tussles I have had with a fish. It was about 10 to 12lbs and i got it on a 6wt fly rod. It ran down stream along a high bank overgrown with high grass and blackerries. I chased it down while it was jumping all the way. When I caught up with it, it ran back upstream to where where I had hooked it. This time i just pointed the rod out horizontal and brought it back. When it was back in front of me the leader was tangled around a blackberry bramble. I couldn't free it. I sat on the edge of the bank and tried to rich the exhausted fish with my net. Too far away! I leaned out farther and slide down the bank into the water & filled my rubber boots. Then I broke the leader above the tangle and was able to steer it into my net which has a bag that's 24 inches deep. Several inches of the fish from behind the dorsal fin to the tail poked above the rim of the net. I cut the leader and let the fish go.

Just moments before that I hooked and got a good look at a fish that I'd guess was around 15 lbs. Was it a coho? There are springs in that stream but this fish had a big hooked kype which spring usually do not. Fought like a coho as well with that patented roll. I saw lots of big fish surface in this stream which most years the coho run maybe 3 to 6lbs with a few larger.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: wildmanyeah on September 24, 2021, 07:15:54 PM
Rod said there were 600-700 coho in the hatchery already. Why bother set up the trap? just scoop the fish in the hatchery

I’d imagine harvesting in a fish trap, bringing the fish back to the community. Preparing the fish and having a fest is rather an important part.

I’m sure any fish men can relate that has children how showing your kids the process is rewarding and important.


Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: stsfisher on September 24, 2021, 08:24:04 PM
The total length of the lead line is 300', the trap is not 300' across. The trap is required to be less than 2/3 across the channel starting from the shallow side, leaving the deeper side of the channel open. This is being set up just downstream from the Sumas confluence where it enters the Vedder, not the Vedder/Sumas confluence to the Fraser.

Interesting........thanks for clarification.
 I know those involved have discussed the pros and cons regarding potential conflict with this type of system being used on such a small area with the highest ratio of boaters and anglers during peak season. I look forward to seeing how this all plays out and hope everyone learns to be patient while behaving appropriatly.
If this past week down in the lower is any indicator of how busy the boat traffic is gonna be this season I think everyone better figure put how to behave themselves and learn how to be alot more curtious to others around them. Alot of nonsense already and it's early yet.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: iblly on September 25, 2021, 04:36:33 AM
Nice fish Rod !
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 25, 2021, 10:14:42 AM
Interesting........thanks for clarification.
 I know those involved have discussed the pros and cons regarding potential conflict with this type of system being used on such a small area with the highest ratio of boaters and anglers during peak season. I look forward to seeing how this all plays out and hope everyone learns to be patient while behaving appropriatly.
If this past week down in the lower is any indicator of how busy the boat traffic is gonna be this season I think everyone better figure put how to behave themselves and learn how to be alot more curtious to others around them. Alot of nonsense already and it's early yet.

Definitely. If everyone wants selective fishing to work, then this needs all of our support. The concerns I had at the meeting were navigational hazard, vandalsim and seal predation. This is as new to the Sumas Nation as to us, everyone's just trying out new things to see what works. The trap is being set up as I type right now.

I’d imagine harvesting in a fish trap, bringing the fish back to the community. Preparing the fish and having a fest is rather an important part.

I’m sure any fish men can relate that has children how showing your kids the process is rewarding and important.

Exactly, the reasons we fish are all different. There are values which the Sumas First Nation wishes to preserve which may be different to others', time to try to understand how we value fish differently.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: DanTfisherman on September 25, 2021, 10:57:22 AM
"time to use circle hooks Dan!"

I decided to read up on circle hooks for fly tying.
Concensus on most of the threads I read was quite poor, and most people did not like them, found them ineffective, and did not like tying on them.
I have used them gear fishing, but have not used them for fly fishing, but from what I read, I would likely agree.

I caught a lot of fish on this day.  My guess was that 5 were bleeders.  My guess is 2 or 3 of them did not make it.
My buddy was using spoons and spinners.  He had a good number, and some of his were bleeders too.
On this particular day, the fish were very fresh and aggressive.  They were being picked up on the retrieve.  Not much more to blame than the aggressive nature of the fish.
I have never really had this before, but on this particular day, I guess that is the way it goes.

I remember the sockeye survey Milo was involved in years ago where they monitored huge numbers of sockeye that were caught, where they were caught, condition/injuries, and tagged them.
In that study, I think less than 1 or 2 percent did not make it.
I believe the study showed a number of fish that were bleeding from the mouth did make it and survived just fine.
Concensus has traditionally been that fish bleeding from the mouth are gonners and will die.  I have seen articles lately that says that is not the case, so sometimes we never know.  Here is one:
https://fishwithjd.com/2016/08/02/hook-placement-if-it-bleeds-it-dies-right-not-so-fast/

Dano
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on September 25, 2021, 11:14:00 AM
Sorry I understood the fish you caught had injected the fly into their gills or throats.

I've used circle hooks quite successfully! You don't set the hook with them though. Just keep on retrieving.

Fish hooked under the tongue (where there is a major artery) or in the gills will often bleed out rapidly. Gut hooking also has a high fatality rate Bleeding from the lips or mouth not so much. However it's important to remember that fatalities may happen hours or even days after the fish is released. Salmon are thought to have a finite stored energy resource timed to the length of their migration. Any non trivial injury could in theory drain this energy store below what they require to reach their spawning grounds and spawn successfully. 
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Dave on September 25, 2021, 11:46:52 AM
Salmon are thought to have a finite stored energy resource timed to the length of their migration. Any non trivial injury could in theory drain this energy store below what they require to reach their spawning grounds and spawn successfully.
More to this is the evolving science showing stress has a detrimental affect on egg and sperm viability, meaning even if they spawn the resulting eggs may not survive as well as non stressed fish.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Wiseguy on September 25, 2021, 12:55:40 PM
Took a drive on the Vedder canal dyke below the Kieth Wilson rd to see how many people were out today. What I saw even I was shocked. There was at least 250 vehicles parked along the dyke down to the hwy bridge even in some spots on the rd itself making for one way traffic only. Every stretch of fishable water had anglers lined up elbow to elbow on both sides of the canal from the KWB all the way down to the Hwy bridge.Makes me wonder how a fish can swim through that gauntlet of lines and hooks drifting through each run.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: tim3500 on September 25, 2021, 01:22:33 PM
I don't live on the Vedder river anymore moved last October I can only view this from a distance on the internet .
One thing I never understood and still don't is all the bickering ,It's just fishing . Iam glad to give up a spot to this.
Was planning to come down to wet a line but after 50 plus years of fishing the Fraser Valley Iam finished anyone that knows me there more than welcome to come for a float on  the kettle or Columbia with me but leave the mess behind.
Oh message to Rod please delete my profile. I don't want to be reminded of the bickering .Its only fishing for God Sakes. Tim singing out.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 25, 2021, 01:25:58 PM
What bickering...? What I've seen in this thread has been quite positive so I'm a bit puzzled. Wiseguy is simply stating an observation. It's the weekend, hundreds of people are out fishing. Yeah it's busy, but everyone is having a good time otherwise they wouldn't be there.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 25, 2021, 01:28:23 PM
This is going on my FB page later tonight but thought I'd share it here first, so nobody could bicker... ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/x1QyJ0H.jpg)

It doesn’t get brighter than this! This Chilliwack River chinook jack was not just silver, but it had some unique spotting patterns on its head.

A chinook jack is a male chinook salmon which return to its natal stream one or two years earlier than it’s supposed to. These smaller males are reproductively mature, so can spawn with other females once they reach the spawning grounds.

Why exactly does this phenomenon occur, nobody really knows. Jacks can occur in other salmonid species as well, but they are most common among chinook and coho salmon. For a long time, we often think of jacks as more inferior than other specimens, but they are in fact an insurance policy which may keep the populations alive. Because they return a year or two earlier, they end up spawning with fish from a different cycle. It’s the only way for two different year cycles of salmon to interact genetically, keeping the stocks diverse and strong.

If you have been fishing the Chilliwack/Vedder River this fall, you’d probably notice the higher abundance of chinook jacks compared to previous years. There is a good explanation for it.

In 2019, under the Southern resident killer whale recovery plan, DFO decided to double the chinook salmon production at Chilliwack River Hatchery from 1 million to 2 million fish. Because the announcement came pretty late, the hatchery was only able to increase the production to 1.25 million fish.

The jacks you are catching today, are progeny of the 2019 broods. The 1/4 increase of the production, has resulted in a pretty good surge of jacks, and most likely a higher return of adults from the same broods next year. In 2020, the hatchery did reach the 2 million fish production target, so you can imagine how many more jacks we will see next year, and how many more adults we will see in 2023!

The chinook jacks are also quite a bit larger than previous year’s. The Chilliwack River regulations define jacks as chinook salmon which are under 62cm in length. Many jacks caught this year have been either just below or above that 62cm mark. This might suggest that ocean conditions are finally favourable for our salmon once again.

It’s easy to be caught up by the grim news of our salmon in the media, instead of learning these unique, positive stories of individual fish. We need to focus on these glimmers of hope, rather than assuming fish stock declines are imminent.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: milo on September 25, 2021, 06:28:38 PM
This is going on my FB page later tonight but thought I'd share it here first, so nobody could bicker... ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/x1QyJ0H.jpg)

It doesn’t get brighter than this! This Chilliwack River chinook jack was not just silver, but it had some unique spotting patterns on its head.

A chinook jack is a male chinook salmon which return to its natal stream one or two years earlier than it’s supposed to. These smaller males are reproductively mature, so can spawn with other females once they reach the spawning grounds.

Why exactly does this phenomenon occur, nobody really knows. Jacks can occur in other salmonid species as well, but they are most common among chinook and coho salmon. For a long time, we often think of jacks as more inferior than other specimens, but they are in fact an insurance policy which may keep the populations alive. Because they return a year or two earlier, they end up spawning with fish from a different cycle. It’s the only way for two different year cycles of salmon to interact genetically, keeping the stocks diverse and strong.

If you have been fishing the Chilliwack/Vedder River this fall, you’d probably notice the higher abundance of chinook jacks compared to previous years. There is a good explanation for it.

In 2019, under the Southern resident killer whale recovery plan, DFO decided to double the chinook salmon production at Chilliwack River Hatchery from 1 million to 2 million fish. Because the announcement came pretty late, the hatchery was only able to increase the production to 1.25 million fish.

The jacks you are catching today, are progeny of the 2019 broods. The 1/4 increase of the production, has resulted in a pretty good surge of jacks, and most likely a higher return of adults from the same broods next year. In 2020, the hatchery did reach the 2 million fish production target, so you can imagine how many more jacks we will see next year, and how many more adults we will see in 2023!

The chinook jacks are also quite a bit larger than previous year’s. The Chilliwack River regulations define jacks as chinook salmon which are under 62cm in length. Many jacks caught this year have been either just below or above that 62cm mark. This might suggest that ocean conditions are finally favourable for our salmon once again.

It’s easy to be caught up by the grim news of our salmon in the media, instead of learning these unique, positive stories of individual fish. We need to focus on these glimmers of hope, rather than assuming fish stock declines are imminent.

Thank you for the excellent explanation on chinook jacks Rod. Now everything makes more sense. I have akways preferred jacks to adults (easier to carry out of the bush when the car is miles away, no need to put them down on the license, you can keep as many as you want within your daily limit, etc...). I swear they are tastier than the big ones, too.
I've landed several this season that still had sea lice on. 😊
Whire, red or marbled, chinook jacks rock!

Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: essyoo on September 26, 2021, 12:16:43 PM
That's such a nice fish Rod. Gotta get out this week and see if I can get into one!
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 27, 2021, 10:19:39 AM
This is going on my FB page later tonight but thought I'd share it here first, so nobody could bicker... ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/x1QyJ0H.jpg)

It doesn’t get brighter than this! This Chilliwack River chinook jack was not just silver, but it had some unique spotting patterns on its head.

A chinook jack is a male chinook salmon which return to its natal stream one or two years earlier than it’s supposed to. These smaller males are reproductively mature, so can spawn with other females once they reach the spawning grounds.

Why exactly does this phenomenon occur, nobody really knows. Jacks can occur in other salmonid species as well, but they are most common among chinook and coho salmon. For a long time, we often think of jacks as more inferior than other specimens, but they are in fact an insurance policy which may keep the populations alive. Because they return a year or two earlier, they end up spawning with fish from a different cycle. It’s the only way for two different year cycles of salmon to interact genetically, keeping the stocks diverse and strong.

If you have been fishing the Chilliwack/Vedder River this fall, you’d probably notice the higher abundance of chinook jacks compared to previous years. There is a good explanation for it.

In 2019, under the Southern resident killer whale recovery plan, DFO decided to double the chinook salmon production at Chilliwack River Hatchery from 1 million to 2 million fish. Because the announcement came pretty late, the hatchery was only able to increase the production to 1.25 million fish.

The jacks you are catching today, are progeny of the 2019 broods. The 1/4 increase of the production, has resulted in a pretty good surge of jacks, and most likely a higher return of adults from the same broods next year. In 2020, the hatchery did reach the 2 million fish production target, so you can imagine how many more jacks we will see next year, and how many more adults we will see in 2023!

The chinook jacks are also quite a bit larger than previous year’s. The Chilliwack River regulations define jacks as chinook salmon which are under 62cm in length. Many jacks caught this year have been either just below or above that 62cm mark. This might suggest that ocean conditions are finally favourable for our salmon once again.

It’s easy to be caught up by the grim news of our salmon in the media, instead of learning these unique, positive stories of individual fish. We need to focus on these glimmers of hope, rather than assuming fish stock declines are imminent.

I made a mistake in the previous post about the chinook salmon productions and mixed up the years while trying to get all this information on the phone the other day. 1.29 million smolts were released in 2019, not 2020. In 2020, 2 million (2.2m actually) were released and the jacks you're catching right now are from that release, that's why there's such a big surge of them right now. Next year we shall see a big return of adult chinooks.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 27, 2021, 10:21:28 AM
Thank you for the excellent explanation on chinook jacks Rod. Now everything makes more sense. I have akways preferred jacks to adults (easier to carry out of the bush when the car is miles away, no need to put them down on the license, you can keep as many as you want within your daily limit, etc...). I swear they are tastier than the big ones, too.
I've landed several this season that still had sea lice on. 😊
Whire, red or marbled, chinook jacks rock!

Great Milo! Hope you have been able to come out here again since we saw each other a few weeks ago. :)

That's such a nice fish Rod. Gotta get out this week and see if I can get into one!

The fishing yesterday morning was pretty unreal... It was busy, but I fished the tailout below a big crowd and in 1.5 hours from 7am I managed to released three wild coho, lost two more, and hooked another dozen silver chinook like the other photo. Two were adult chinook and the rest were jacks.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on September 27, 2021, 12:03:22 PM
Great Milo! Hope you have been able to come out here again since we saw each other a few weeks ago. :)

The fishing yesterday morning was pretty unreal... It was busy, but I fished the tailout below a big crowd and in 1.5 hours from 7am I managed to released three wild coho, lost two more, and hooked another dozen silver chinook like the other photo. Two were adult chinook and the rest were jacks.

Definitely the fish passed the run I fished too quickly. They probably stopped right in front of you.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: blueback on September 27, 2021, 01:16:07 PM
Any word on water conditions? Where's Chris? Duck hunting?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 27, 2021, 02:13:18 PM
Any word on water conditions? Where's Chris? Duck hunting?

River is in great shape today.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: blueback on September 27, 2021, 02:22:07 PM
River is in great shape today.
Thanks Rodney; water higher but holding it's shape? I hope it can withstand the incoming rain and remain fishable!
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 27, 2021, 02:26:22 PM
Yep bumped up a bit and colour is good. If I didn't have to be on the computer I'd be down there right now.......... :-X
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: blueback on September 27, 2021, 02:44:06 PM
Hope to be there tomorrow. All I've gotten so far have been wild Coho; hoping for a clipped one (or more) tomorrow if it's not blown out. 
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: DanTfisherman on September 27, 2021, 03:41:13 PM
Had an decent morning fishing yesterday.
Fresh pinks, come Coho, and a beauty spring that measured in at 60 cm.
Super shiny, while belly and a bit of sea lice on it.
Buddy looked and at the base of the tail, it had a small little gash, got us thinking it was a red.
When I ended up cleaning it, it was a white.
Eating it for dinner tonight.

So, I have caught these springs from the Harrison stock and to date, have not really had an exceptional or "good" tasting one.
This one did not have the Harrison River white smell, and I am hoping for a different experience.
Does anyone here have positive "taste" experience for Vedder whites for flavour, and any secrets in what you look for?
Over the years, I have caught a few, and learned.  It is only in the last few years I have tried a few once again, wheras I have stuck to the jacks and looked for fresh fish.  Still, I think I had one which my family enjoyed and would rank up there with a red.

On a somewhat related note, has anyone caught a Vedder red once September rolls around?
I did catch one about 12-14 years back at Borden Creek, and was quite certain it was a red, so released it, hoping it would breed and pass on it's genes.
Someone suggested this fish could possibly be from the original red genetic strain that did return to the Vedder traditionally late summer/early fall.

With there being 2 million fish released, was any thought or research done into possibly finding a strain of red springs and trying them?
Whites are introduced, so not sure if there is another strain from a Fraser tributary at this time that could work?  Thompson destined fish?
I do know for example, many fish returning to the Robertson Creek hatchery on the Island are reds.  Could they be brought over?
My past experience has been from 15 to 20 years ago, when I think the output of springs were more and the Vedder had much larger returns of White springs.
They seem to have done well in the past when released in numbers, and it looks like now that their numbers and being increased once again, such as the increase in the past few years, the numbers are do well so far.
I am being selfish, but if large numbers of introduced springs are going to be released, is there options/opportunities to release more reds?

Dano
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Lunk Louie on September 27, 2021, 03:53:29 PM
Just a heads up

My vehicle was keyed along it's entire length within the last week. This has been the first time in 20+ years it has been vandalized  (since  somebody last smashed the side widow in just for kicks) but with the massive numbers of vehicles there these days they are easy prey for the vandals and thieves. I thought with all the foot traffic everywhere and noticing the little bit more police presence past few years, this stuff was on the wane....wrong...  :(
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: DanTfisherman on September 27, 2021, 04:00:24 PM
I can only laugh.

I did a bit of key word search to research and answer my own questions, and look what I found from back in the day:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=18363.0

As I remember from this post/time, this was a time when the springs were pretty heavy in numbers.

The time corresponds quite closely to the time I was talking about 12-15 years ago, and at that time, the common complaint were the springs were so numerous it made it challenging and not very fun to track down and find coho to catch.  Next year could be an interesting year with 2 million fish released.

So, a few points with regards to fish and taste recommend scrubbing the slime coat completely off of the fish, as well as possibly skinning it.

Dano
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: fic on September 27, 2021, 04:12:48 PM
Just a heads up

My vehicle was keyed along it's entire length within the last week. This has been the first time in 20+ years it has been vandalized  (since  somebody last smashed the side widow in just for kicks) but with the massive numbers of vehicles there these days they are easy prey for the vandals and thieves. I thought with all the foot traffic everywhere and noticing the little bit more police presence past few years, this stuff was on the wane....wrong...  :(
Sorry to hear about your car.  Where were you parked ?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: milo on September 27, 2021, 05:01:22 PM
Does anyone here have positive "taste" experience for Vedder whites for flavour, and any secrets in what you look for?
Dan, My experience is if the fish is silver with sea lice still in it, it will taste great any way you prepare it.
Many of these earlier fish caught in the lower river in September are like that. I find they taste just as good as, if not better than, the reds. I think the red colour in chinooks is more of a psychological thing than a real flavour issue. Salmon racism, if you ask me. I myself am partial to marbled springs, don't ask me why.

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On a somewhat related note, has anyone caught a Vedder red once September rolls around?
Yes. I caught one  adult last Thursday. And a red jack  yesterday. I find there have been more red and marbled chinook in the system in recent years than there were in years past.

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I am being selfish, but if large numbers of introduced springs are going to be released, is there options/opportunities to release more reds?

Curious request. With 95% of the world chinook salmon being red, I see the Vedder whites congregated in one place as a blessing and hope the numbers stay high.

IronNoggin tells me that out in the ocean 30-40 years ago, commercial fishermen used white chinook for bait and fertilizer or even tossed them overboard because the lack of pigmentation was thought to be a negative. Today, the narrative has changed. White springs are considered an exceptional delicacy and many guides and commercial fishermen will keep the rare white chinook catch for themselves.
I subscribe to that philosophy. Ivory kings taste superbly!
Just make sure it's a chromer fresh in from the ocean.
Check this out for more info on the delicious ivory kings:
https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wildlifenews.view_article&articles_id=244
Short article:
https://www.savoryalaska.com/blog/2018/11/20/ivory-king-salmon-the-salmon-you-never-knew-existed
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on September 27, 2021, 05:14:20 PM
I've never found it necessary to prepare or cook white springs any differently than reds. However white springs loose their eating quality quickly as they color from ocean bright to river grey. Take the shiny ones, release the dark ones.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: glfish88 on September 27, 2021, 08:15:02 PM
I am being selfish, but if large numbers of introduced springs are going to be released, is there options/opportunities to release more reds?

Dano

I doubt it, I think what it comes down to is 2 things: why are we increasing hatchery production? And why do we even have a hatchery program for an introduced strain of chinook?

The reason why we are increasing hatchery production of chinook salmon on the Vedder is to provide increased food for Southern Resident Orcas, studies have shown that they rely on white chinook that are destined to return to the harrison and vedder river. Other food sources are relatively scarce during the fall when the whites return. Not to mention that the whites spend alot more time in local waters than other strains do.

I believe white chinook as the choice of stocking for the southwestern BC streams comes down to one thing: Cost. White chinook don’t spend 1-3 years in freshwater like their red counterparts do, if they did we would have terrible survival rates. Southwestern BC’s streams are low in nutrients naturally, industrialization of the lowermainland does not help either. Because whites only spend a small portion of their lives in freshwater, they have much higher return rates. At the end of the day, a dollar spent on raising white chinook has a higher return on investment than a dollar spent on a red chinook.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Lunk Louie on September 27, 2021, 08:39:02 PM
Sorry to hear about your car.  Where were you parked ?


Not exactly sure which run but I'm guessing lower canal
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 27, 2021, 11:38:15 PM
Just a heads up

My vehicle was keyed along it's entire length within the last week. This has been the first time in 20+ years it has been vandalized  (since  somebody last smashed the side widow in just for kicks) but with the massive numbers of vehicles there these days they are easy prey for the vandals and thieves. I thought with all the foot traffic everywhere and noticing the little bit more police presence past few years, this stuff was on the wane....wrong...  :(

That's terrible... Were other vehicles vandalized too or did this appear to be more targeted?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 27, 2021, 11:40:11 PM
Re: Fall chinook salmon.

I've seen more and more reds being caught among whites every fall, I have no idea why. Just this past week, fishing with Big Steel on the forum, two of his fish were red while all of mine were white. ::)

There are no plans to increase the summer red production at the moment, but there are talks about it. I'll add to this when I hear more about it.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on September 28, 2021, 08:16:35 AM
red vs white is a genetic difference. I've caught whites in the Fraser well above the Vedder mouth so I guess they occur elsewhere in the watershed other than the Harrison. If reds and whites co-mingle on the spawning beds and the red variation is dominant then it would make sense there' be more reds showing up. Remember too the whites are not native to the Chilliwack system. There are introduced Harrison stock.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: blueback on September 28, 2021, 08:30:29 AM
River blown? Or just high?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 28, 2021, 09:58:03 AM
River blown? Or just high?

Just high still, crested at 1.8m and dropping now. Fishing is ok.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: blueback on September 28, 2021, 10:25:58 AM
Thanks Rod!!
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bkk on September 28, 2021, 12:24:53 PM
Because whites only spend a small portion of their lives in freshwater, they have much higher return rates. At the end of the day, a dollar spent on raising white chinook has a higher return on investment than a dollar spent on a red chinook.

You are mistaken on white chinook. There life history pattern is predominately a yearling strategy. Squamish system chinook are mainly whites and they are yearling fish. Birkenhead fish are all whites and they are also yearling juveniles. Quesnel system has both whites and reds and they are also yearling fish. The Harrison is more of an exception than the rule. Most whites comes from glacial systems or cold systems where it takes then a long time to grow to smolt size hence the yearling strategy.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: DanTfisherman on September 28, 2021, 03:39:35 PM
I did find this tidbit in the link I posted to be interesting.  It states:

"Any short run river ( IE Vedder, Harrison ) White chinook ,,, are called " Tuley whites, originated in the Columbia river lower streams.  They are very acid smelling and tasting. Long river whites are every bit as good as the Reds but just don't look as nice. Upper Fraser whites and reds 600-700 mile fish are fine. Stay above the Harrison and most of the kings are fine."

So, if I understand this correctly, even the Harrison whites are introduced and originated from the Columbia system?  Is this correct or speculation?  Also, if correct, it kinda throws my thoughts at the back of my head out, as I speculated about genetics and "more correct" fish to introduce to systems, based on being at least from the same catchment basin.

When I did fish the Fraser quite a bit for Springs in the 90's, I did find I caught whites above the Harrison, and they were exceptional, such as whites I caught on the Island out of the NitNat or the Stamp.

Dano
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on September 28, 2021, 04:52:49 PM
FWIW  Fraser interior coho and steelhead are also more genetically related to equivalent Columbia Basin fish. Why? Likely due to geographic phenomena called stream capture. Glaciers in the interior of BC melted quicker after the last ice age than on the coast. Salmon colonized much of the interior from the Columbia River. Overtime as glaciers melted and the Fraser watershed emerged, Fraser watershed streams eroded back into Columbia basin valleys and changed their flow down into the Fraser - known as stream capture. With their keen sense of smell, salmon and steelhead born in those streams still found their way home.

Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on September 28, 2021, 07:34:02 PM
Thompson river chinook includes marble, white and red. I assume white chinook are very common
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: clarki on September 28, 2021, 09:09:18 PM
You are mistaken on white chinook. There life history pattern is predominately a yearling strategy. Squamish system chinook are mainly whites and they are yearling fish. Birkenhead fish are all whites and they are also yearling juveniles. Quesnel system has both whites and reds and they are also yearling fish. The Harrison is more of an exception than the rule. Most whites comes from glacial systems or cold systems where it takes then a long time to grow to smolt size hence the yearling strategy.
What do you mean by a "yearling strategy", bkk.  That fry/juveniles only spend one year in their natal streams before the smolt and migrate? 
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on September 28, 2021, 09:53:28 PM
Another victim of the GCCK
(https://i.imgur.com/Zkw19pb.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: spoiler on September 29, 2021, 06:55:29 AM
Hey Rodney,
this is a little off topic but when is the Chilliwack Fishing with Rod tackle swap meet?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on September 29, 2021, 07:20:59 AM
Another victim of the GCCK
(https://i.imgur.com/Zkw19pb.jpg)

Nice! What is the GCCK? (something something Coho Killer obviously)

PS What's with the hair bands on the reel seat?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: iblly on September 29, 2021, 08:23:26 AM
Not sure his reasons for the hair bands but I use them to hold rod halves together when rod is broken down.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: 4x4 on September 29, 2021, 08:23:55 AM
Nice! What is the GCCK? (something something Coho Killer obviously)

PS What's with the hair bands on the reel seat?

I'm guessing to put his rod together after he splits it at the end of the day.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Wiseguy on September 29, 2021, 08:34:05 AM

PS What's with the hair bands on the reel seat?
[/quote] Keeps the rod together when snapped up.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on September 29, 2021, 08:51:50 AM
I'm guessing to put his rod together after he splits it at the end of the day.

ah... some people use them as leader tamers on the reel. I keep my rod in one piece when on the river and at the end of the day the rod goes in it's sleeve and case.

Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: milo on September 29, 2021, 09:22:01 AM
My guess for GCCK: Great Canadian Coho Killer. Nice name for a fly.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 29, 2021, 10:11:40 AM
Hey Rodney,
this is a little off topic but when is the Chilliwack Fishing with Rod tackle swap meet?

So with Chilliwack's All About Fishing, which the swap meet was a part of, I'm not sure when I will resume organizing it. At the moment, it's not really possible with COVID. Well, it is, but it is way too much for me to handle as a volunteer job. I'm going to say it's unlikely to be next year, but you never know.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: clarki on September 29, 2021, 10:22:59 AM
PS What's with the hair bands on the reel seat?
Not having met big snag, my image of him is with long, flowing, blonde, Fabio-like, hair.
I think we are over thinking it. Obviously the hair bands are to keep his tresses from his eyes while flyfishing the GCCK
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 29, 2021, 10:26:38 AM
Yeah I was going to say man bun as well... ;)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on September 29, 2021, 10:40:27 AM
Not having met big snag, my image of him is with long, flowing, blonde, Fabio-like, hair.
I think we are over thinking it. Obviously the hair bands are to keep his tresses from his eyes while flyfishing the GCCK

Well no surprise there - I wondered much the same - ponytail control.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on September 29, 2021, 01:42:13 PM
Not sure his reasons for the hair bands but I use them to hold rod halves together when rod is broken down.

that's it
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on September 29, 2021, 01:43:57 PM
Not having met big snag, my image of him is with long, flowing, blonde, Fabio-like, hair.
I think we are over thinking it. Obviously the hair bands are to keep his tresses from his eyes while flyfishing the GCCK

You guys are too funny :) :)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on September 29, 2021, 01:46:49 PM
Well no surprise there - I wondered much the same - ponytail control.

Looking fwd to more What's in my FlyBox thread RalphH
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on September 29, 2021, 01:50:57 PM
Nice! What is the GCCK? (something something Coho Killer obviously)

https://forum.flybc.ca/index.php?/topic/12043-south-surrey-tying-night-reminder-this-thursday-the-25th-from-600-930-pm/&tab=comments#comment-129582

(http://i.imgur.com/lkgTWDe.jpg) (https://imgur.com/lkgTWDe)

(http://i.imgur.com/fDzrYtA.jpg) (https://imgur.com/fDzrYtA)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: DanTfisherman on September 29, 2021, 02:59:47 PM
Very nice.  Thanks for sharing.

I believe I have seen that one before and remember it.
I need to learn to make simpler things rather than the fancy, more time consuming stuff I make up.

Dano
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: essyoo on September 29, 2021, 03:12:26 PM
looks like olive polar flash? what size hook/bead do you like for this one?

Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on September 29, 2021, 03:58:23 PM
that is a really simple tie. even the hook shank is not dressed.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Jacobleboe on September 29, 2021, 04:16:13 PM
wanting to get out this weekend. spent my last two trips walking up and down trying to find a spot to fish. wanting to try the canal this time and I was wondering when would be the best time to fish it since it's a somewhat tidal based section of the river?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bkk on September 29, 2021, 04:57:22 PM
What do you mean by a "yearling strategy", bkk.  That fry/juveniles only spend one year in their natal streams before the smolt and migrate?
Yes a yearling chinook juvenile is a fish that migrates to the ocean in it's second spring of life. Similar to a coho smolt. Lots of chinook stocks migrate in their first year and are commonly known as fry of the year or "100 day wonders" as that is about how long they rear in freshwater before migrating to the ocean.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on September 29, 2021, 06:43:17 PM
Yes a yearling chinook juvenile is a fish that migrates to the ocean in it's second spring of life. Similar to a coho smolt. Lots of chinook stocks migrate in their first year and are commonly known as fry of the year or "100 day wonders" as that is about how long they rear in freshwater before migrating to the ocean.

In the brood year reports, Fall Chinook and even some summer chinook released from the Cap, Chehalis and Chilliwack hatcheries are referred to as Smolt 0+. Tenderfoot creek releases are smolt 1+
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: clarki on September 29, 2021, 07:52:11 PM
Yes a yearling chinook juvenile is a fish that migrates to the ocean in it's second spring of life. Similar to a coho smolt. Lots of chinook stocks migrate in their first year and are commonly known as fry of the year or "100 day wonders" as that is about how long they rear in freshwater before migrating to the ocean.
Thanks bkk. Learn something new every day! I understood (mistakenly, obviously...) that chinook juveniles traveled to the ocean at 2+ years of age. Never knew about yearlings, or 100 day wonders.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Silex-user on September 30, 2021, 12:03:25 PM
Fished first time for Vedder river salmon this season on Tuesday. it was busy but I did get 1 big colour spring release and kept couple of fresh chrome spring jacks. No coho for me but did see some caught. Had one buck humpie bite my roe and release un harm. Too busy for me. Going wait another month before going back.


Siles-user
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: milo on September 30, 2021, 02:28:29 PM
Too busy for me. Going wait another month before going back.

You will accomplish nothing except depriving yourself of the opportunity to catch fresh coho and springs. In one month it will be virtually as busy as it is now.
Just go find some water to yourself. There's still plenty away from the meat holes.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on September 30, 2021, 02:31:30 PM
The river was in good shape and level was rising this morning, but it is now dirty and unfishable.

One thing which I have noticed but haven't talked about, until Buck pointed out this morning, is the lack of coho jacks this year. This could become a concern for next year's return.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: ButtLoadOfDucks on September 30, 2021, 08:50:52 PM
Friends and I fished Canal last week and happened into a school of wild coho jacks! But you're right I haven't seen as many caught compared to previous years. Perhaps it is too early to say however. Looks like the rain is stopping tonight at least for a bit. Hoping it'll clear a little.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: DKokanee on October 01, 2021, 09:01:39 AM
Is the river blown out today? Hydrometric chart looks high but it's coming down
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 01, 2021, 09:30:09 AM
Still a bit high but dropping fast. Vis is around 2ft now.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: jim on October 01, 2021, 01:36:03 PM
1 pm.  visibility is improving, and the strong sunlight at the dog park shows 3-4 feet deep.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 02, 2021, 09:36:25 PM
River conditions have been fantastic. The end. ;D
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: milo on October 02, 2021, 09:43:27 PM
River conditions have been fantastic. The end. ;D

Agreed, especially if you were on the water first light. Later in the day the coho/chinook bite was mostly off for me, at least at the four uncrowded locations I visited and fished today.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on October 02, 2021, 09:49:15 PM
Agreed, especially if you were on the water first light. Later in the day the coho/chinook bite was mostly off for me, at least at the four uncrowded locations I visited and fished today.

The chum bite picked up after the coho/ chinook stopped

(https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/244230585_10158566052541270_7630687913609181159_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=_XRcMwDtEosAX_u_nL-&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=5d373d07d4dbee74a0e869a9cc2ad2e4&oe=615EDBA3)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 02, 2021, 10:03:41 PM
I haven't found fish this week, but I've also only been popping down to the river for an hour at a time. Yesterday evening I watched a group of young men getting really excited about catching a wild coho salmon, and the first salmon ever for three of them in the group. I lent my net, took some photos, that was good enough for me, no need to catch my own. ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/i1mYih5.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on October 04, 2021, 10:16:18 AM
fishing was slow over the weekend. Very rare to see low number of angler on both side of river as well.
Consider the great water and weather condition, I was wondering if the low number of fresh fish was blocked by the weir trap in the lower river. Do the fish trap has catching number report?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 04, 2021, 11:07:51 AM
No, the trap has not been catching any fish. It's a pilot project and still needs to be refined.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 04, 2021, 12:18:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/CBEM43H.jpg)

Chunky coho this year. ;)

Just got off the phone with the hatchery for an update. Numbers are still on target. After the sorting late last week they've had about 1,800 coho now, and the channel is full again already.

The fishing is slow as psd1179 mentioned. Four hours since first light this morning, only produced three bites for me and that one hatchery coho. Beside one other wild coho caught, the other 20 people at the same run didn't even get a float down...

River conditions remain excellent. Rain expected tomorrow but should not be enough to affect the fishing.

They'll come!
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on October 04, 2021, 12:37:04 PM
No, the trap has not been catching any fish. It's a pilot project and still needs to be refined.

Thanks Rodney.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigblockfox on October 04, 2021, 02:21:42 PM
caught the twin to that fish yesterday. same results where i was fishing in the canal. was slow, aside from the questionable pink fishing in the shallows.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on October 04, 2021, 10:08:38 PM
First dark coho of the year.  Season is over.

(http://i.imgur.com/VBBKoUr.jpg) (https://imgur.com/VBBKoUr)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: clarki on October 04, 2021, 10:26:58 PM
Stop fishing in the spawning channel then! ::)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Wiseguy on October 05, 2021, 10:19:50 AM
Where’s Chris Gadsen reports? Is he no longer on the forum or just taking a break? Miss the guy.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on October 05, 2021, 12:04:07 PM
First dark coho of the year.  Season is over.

(http://i.imgur.com/VBBKoUr.jpg) (https://imgur.com/VBBKoUr)

Hi Bigsnag,
Nice snag.  the fly was still in the mouth after the fish was tied on the stringer rope. Lol
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: milo on October 05, 2021, 12:58:44 PM
Hi Bigsnag,
Nice snag.  the fly was still in the mouth after the fish was tied on the stringer rope. Lol

Why is it that what irritates us most in other people is precisely what we ourselves are often guilty of? LOL! ;D
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Knnn on October 05, 2021, 01:24:33 PM
First dark coho of the year.  Season is over.

(http://i.imgur.com/VBBKoUr.jpg) (https://imgur.com/VBBKoUr)

Thanks for showing the fly you caught it. Copper/UV Chenille?  Cheers.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on October 06, 2021, 12:06:30 AM
Thanks for showing the fly you caught it. Copper/UV Chenille?  Cheers.
Welcome.  It was straight copper Flashabou with a 1/8" black bead.  Tie Christmas tree style.  My go to fly at first light.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 06, 2021, 12:38:50 AM
Rain didn't affect the conditions today, in fact it probably made conditions more favourable.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 06, 2021, 03:51:05 PM
It rained quite a bit this morning, but river conditions were still good. Fishing wasn't too shabby either, for some people...

(https://i.imgur.com/c42FPza.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: CohoJake on October 06, 2021, 04:25:18 PM
It rained quite a bit this morning, but river conditions were still good. Fishing wasn't too shabby either, for some people...

(https://i.imgur.com/c42FPza.jpg)

I'm pretty sure I see an approximately 12mm soft bead in the background . . .
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 06, 2021, 05:02:32 PM
14mm. ;D But she got all her fish on the spoon…
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: fishdreamer on October 06, 2021, 05:49:07 PM
Great smile!
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: milo on October 06, 2021, 08:36:56 PM
Rain didn't affect the conditions today, in fact it probably made conditions more favourable.

True that.
Fishing was insanely good this morning, especially early on. The afternoon was spotty.
Buddy and I limited out on coho, and we released quite a few hatchery fish.

The downside to this wonderful day is that I lost my beautiful hand-made magnetic fishing net😢, so please please PLEASE, if you or someone you know or hear about found it, let me know. I'm very fond of that net. I offer a reward, either cash or a gift card of the finder's choice.
Keeping my fingers crossed.🤞
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 06, 2021, 08:39:05 PM
True that.
Fishing was insanely good this morning, especially early on. The afternoon was spotty.
Buddy and I limited out on coho, and we released quite a few hatchery fish.

The downside to this wonderful day is that I lost my beautiful hand-made magnetic fishing net😢, so please please PLEASE, if you or someone you know or hear about found it, let me know. I'm very fond of that net. I offer a reward, either cash or a gift card of the finder's choice.
Keeping my fingers crossed.🤞

Milo, was this in the canal, or further up? Don't need a specific spot, but it'll narrow down the search. Post going up on Facebook soon and I have had success reuniting items with owners quite often, so fingers crossed.

A photo of the net would also really help, you can send it to info@fishingwithrod.com
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: milo on October 06, 2021, 10:35:13 PM
Thank you Rodney. Much appreciated. The net was lost either at the Gun Barrel run (below Upper Wilson Rd.) or on one of the trails behind Yarrow Community Centre.
I can't remember if I had it on me returning from the Gun Barrel run. It's a helluva long walk through the forest, where it could have snagged on a tree branch. :-X


Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 07, 2021, 04:44:30 PM
Milo I posted it up this morning, no responses yet but I hope someone will message me with good news eventually.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 07, 2021, 04:44:37 PM
Good evening all. I just sat through another meeting with Fisheries and Oceans Canada and Sumas First Nation to see how the pilot fall salmon fisheries have been.

As mentioned in the post a couple of weeks ago, Sumas First Nation has been experimenting with an open weir fish trap instead of gill nets, so fish could be harvested selectively. There have been two openings (Thursday to Monday in the past two weeks), and so far ZERO fish have been harvested. There have been many challenges with this setup, fish were simply not swimming into the trap, as well as heavy boat traffic on weekends when this fishery is taking place.

This weekend, starting tomorrow to Monday, the group will be attempting a new method to harvest selectively. In the next four days, from 6:00am to 7:00pm, fishers will be dip netting from the confluence of Slesse Creek to the upper recreational fishing boundary. This again is a pilot project to see how successful the method is. This post is meant to make sure all anglers are aware of it this long weekend while enjoying the fishing along the Chilliwack/Vedder River corridor.

I cannot say this enough, but I, and I think you all should as well, really appreciate the amount of effort and time the Sumas First Nation has invested into finding ways to harvest selectively. As someone who's pretty involved in the recreational fishery in this region, I will continue to do my best to support these initiatives.

Please share this information with other anglers and groups, and please be respectful to all fishers and fish while out fishing this weekend. We are now entering the peak run timing of chinook and coho salmon, so have a great weekend all!
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on October 07, 2021, 05:36:15 PM
Excellent post Rod! Thank for your superb efforts and reporting on this particular project. I agree completely with your assessment and feel the Sumas First Nation (Sema:th people) is doing pioneering work to find selective methods that consider the interests conservation and  of all users on the Chilliwack system.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on October 07, 2021, 05:43:14 PM
Finally it is close to the right spot. I have said the best way is to scoop fish in the hatchery. No conflict with recreation anglers, much easy to get fish. Dipping net is also very traditionally way and burns a lot of calories to do so. Should be very satisfied to bonk pile of fish.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 07, 2021, 08:33:35 PM
Finally it is close to the right spot. I have said the best way is to scoop fish in the hatchery. No conflict with recreation anglers, much easy to get fish. Dipping net is also very traditionally way and burns a lot of calories to do so. Should be very satisfied to bonk pile of fish.

Nobody wants to scoop up fish in the hatchery channel for food. This isn't just about harvesting biomass, but to value their traditions by finding ways to practice it. Just like you are satisfied when you get to a run and catch some hatchery coho salmon, they want to have the opportunities to trap fish or dip net for fish, harvest selectively and leave the wild coho salmon unharmed.

The Sumas First Nation has been incredibly considerate. Their licence for the fishery opening in the lower river is for anywhere downstream from Keith Wilson Bridge. Rather than setting something up between the two bridges, which I think would have been way more effective, they have chosen to spend the time and energy to figure out how to make the trap work below the Sumas confluence. They want to do this because they recognize the amount of anglers who enjoy fishing between the two bridges, and it would have created potential problems if a beach seine or trap takes place at one particular run.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: NiceFish on October 07, 2021, 09:08:02 PM
I have been out 3 mornings this week, only 1 spring to hand. Very slow. Anyone else catching fish... I don't believe it. Good luck...
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on October 07, 2021, 09:11:51 PM
I have been out 3 mornings this week, only 1 spring to hand. Very slow. Anyone else catching fish... I don't believe it. Good luck...

contradict to what I have heard, no first hand experience though. Looking forward to go on weekend.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: wildmanyeah on October 07, 2021, 09:30:09 PM
Having a trap on the lower was a great idea I agree.

Dip netting now near the fishing boundary is almost akin to just doing it at the hatchery outlet. Maybe a bit better scenery I guess.

Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: milo on October 07, 2021, 09:57:57 PM
Milo I posted it up this morning, no responses yet but I hope someone will message me with good news eventually.

Thank you very much Rodney. I'm very hopeful that I'll be reunited with it eventually. It's an item that I'm very fond of.
It will feel awkward not having it hanging off my fishing vest tomorrow. :(
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on October 08, 2021, 08:03:34 AM
I have been out 3 mornings this week, only 1 spring to hand. Very slow. Anyone else catching fish... I don't believe it. Good luck...

so much for the big 2019 hatchery boost! Was it just a blip?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Phronesis on October 08, 2021, 09:31:35 AM
Was pretty good yesterday, saw some guy limit out on hatchery coho. I landed a hatchery Coho and a spring
And I ran into a red spring !! but couldnt land it - broke my leader when i thought it was ready to be landed on to the shore.



Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: NiceFish on October 08, 2021, 06:45:55 PM
so much for the big 2019 hatchery boost! Was it just a blip?

Haha... our again this morning in-between kwb and hwy 1. Much better today. 4/6. Left with 1 spring and 1 coho...bite would come in spurts which is to be expected.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on October 08, 2021, 06:52:40 PM
Good to hear!
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Fish Assassin on October 08, 2021, 06:58:14 PM
Was pretty good yesterday, saw some guy limit out on hatchery coho. I landed a hatchery Coho and a spring
And I ran into a red spring !! but couldnt land it - broke my leader when i thought it was ready to be landed on to the shore.

How do you know it's a red spring if you didn't land it ?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: NiceFish on October 08, 2021, 07:01:06 PM
How do you know it's a red spring if you didn't land it ?

Red springs fight harder and are known to break leaders.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Dave on October 08, 2021, 08:08:19 PM
Red springs fight harder and are known to break leaders.

Quote of the day!
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Phronesis on October 08, 2021, 09:05:36 PM
How do you know it's a red spring if you didn't land it ?

Saw it while flipping near the banks...
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on October 08, 2021, 10:15:46 PM
clarkii you should have come with me to the spawning channel.  A few fresh one rolled in.
(http://i.imgur.com/eUZiO8N.jpg) (https://imgur.com/eUZiO8N)

Plus this 8 lber that got my hands all shaky.
(http://i.imgur.com/OJCMpPK.jpg) (https://imgur.com/OJCMpPK)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on October 08, 2021, 10:19:59 PM
Red springs fight harder and are known to break leaders.

they fight even harder when hooked on the tail LOL
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on October 08, 2021, 10:24:18 PM
clarkii you should have come with me to the spawning channel.  A few fresh one rolled in.
(http://i.imgur.com/eUZiO8N.jpg) (https://imgur.com/eUZiO8N)

Plus this 8 lber that got my hands all shaky.
(http://i.imgur.com/OJCMpPK.jpg) (https://imgur.com/OJCMpPK)

6wt rod or 5wt?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Hike_and_fish on October 09, 2021, 06:22:43 AM
Quite a different year for the people I know and myself. It's been a non-clipped Coho kind of a season. Every outing is easily 90% wild Coho. Some days it's been 100% wilds. Last season I had limits of hatchery Coho days in a row. This year ? Barely any hatchery fish. I've seen boats all around me at the mouth put fish back and say the same thing. LOTS of non-clipped fish. I've tapped oit early this year.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Wiseguy on October 09, 2021, 09:41:44 AM
Been out 3 times only a couple of hrs each time in the afternoon and have hooked 7 cohos. Landed 4. 3 hatcheries and 1 wild so far. Not bad.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigblockfox on October 09, 2021, 02:14:02 PM
the canal was the busiest i have ever seen it today. was fishing around train bridge and all we were hitting were wild. after seeing the canal i know why.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 09, 2021, 04:43:39 PM
I showed up at the canal at 11am and it wasn't as busy as I have seen in past Thanksgiving weekend actually. I only had just over an hour to fish today. Coho salmon were plentiful, on everyone else's lines! ::) I ended up missing one, hooking two, both lost, and one of them was a rather big specimen. Great to see so many people out enjoying the day, and all fishing properly! It's quite amazing to see that many people hooking up below me and still able to get bites, just a constant stream of fish going through right now with the big morning incoming tide at the moment.

Fair amount of rain is expected tonight, so tomorrow could be very different. Enjoy the rest of your Thanksgiving weekend!
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigblockfox on October 09, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
for sure, alot of people were also using landing nets which was nice to see. did see one wild ho that couldn't be revived but it happens.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on October 09, 2021, 08:33:54 PM
6wt rod or 5wt?
7 wt 
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 11, 2021, 09:28:51 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/wveL8NX.jpg)

Popped out briefly last night after the crowd. No fish for me, again.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: essyoo on October 11, 2021, 02:28:01 PM
I knew it would be busy this morning, but I would never have imagined it THAT busy. Pretty sure the river level came up a foot with all the people standing in it today.

A lot of fish caught in our little run. Mostly wild coho and chum. Very few hatchery fish. Are they late? Smaller return?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: fishdreamer on October 11, 2021, 04:06:50 PM
All the great habitat work done by Fraser valley Watershed Coalition on Peach rd for example is really paying off. We Fishermen need to support those volunteers as much as possible.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: tuna on October 11, 2021, 04:22:01 PM
lots of wild coho none the less a lot of fun  ;)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 11, 2021, 07:56:58 PM
New coho video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TfKDJW84uI
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 13, 2021, 03:53:37 PM
Ditch the wife at home so I have a better chance of hooking one this morning.

It worked.

(https://i.imgur.com/g9Ttazf.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on October 14, 2021, 06:41:16 AM
a blowing out is approaching on this weekend.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 14, 2021, 07:35:10 PM
Terrible stats this afternoon... Hooked 11 and only landed this one. ::)

(https://i.imgur.com/cIKMBQy.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: hammer on October 14, 2021, 07:45:18 PM
Rod
It looks like that one made up for other 10...nice to see some big hatchery genetics
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on October 14, 2021, 08:50:59 PM
Sounds like a lot of fish
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on October 14, 2021, 10:24:08 PM
all the big fish i catch are wild or I lose them...sigh
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 15, 2021, 10:41:38 AM
River conditions remain excellent this morning as it didn't rain too much overnight. I was still fishing like a conservationist this morning, landing one out of five plus missing a few from 7:00am to 9:00am.

Here is a hefty wild Nina released yesterday.

(https://i.imgur.com/eiRFupW.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Fish Assassin on October 15, 2021, 10:47:54 AM
Rodney the Conservationist. Lol :D :D
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 15, 2021, 10:56:34 AM
Rodney the Conservationist. Lol :D :D

But haven't you been more conservation-minded than me? ;D
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: dennisK on October 15, 2021, 01:06:41 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Fish Assassin on October 15, 2021, 01:24:47 PM
But haven't you been more conservation-minded than me? ;D

Doing my utmost to let them go so you can have a crack at them. Judging from your videos, it is obviously working. You can thank me later. ;D
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on October 15, 2021, 01:57:36 PM
I read on FB that the road is closed at Tamahi. Really No access further up? Any idea until when. Thanks

Every year at this time, there is something like that. just like winter kill or asbestos in the spring lake fishing season.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Darko on October 15, 2021, 05:49:56 PM
No retention of chum starting tomorrow for a bunch of systems. Please kindly let others know if you see anyone try to harvest one.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: blueback on October 15, 2021, 09:15:17 PM
Conditions remain very good, as of 4pm today. Water up somewhat from earlier in the week but lots of vis still. 
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: fic on October 16, 2021, 07:28:41 AM
Lots of fish were moving through yesterday. Tons of chums.  The coho wouldn't bite my spoon but 4 chums did.  Landed an 18lb buck.  Seems like the Vedder has a pretty good chum return even with the closure.  I could see other people hooking fish with beads but so far they haven't worked for me.   I didn't see anyone using roe.  BNR should pay Rod for the Advertisement  ;D
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: DanTfisherman on October 16, 2021, 09:22:07 AM
Don't want to wreck the theme of "water conditions" on this theme, but having used Jensen eggs in the 90's, and now reading about soft beads and hard beads and their "success", are these beads any different than a single magnum Jensen egg?  Thoughts?  Why all the fancy knots to tie them?  Could you use a bobber stopper 3 fingers up from the hook, then tie a thin piece of woll above it as we used to do with the Jensen Egg?  Trying to figure out all the big deal about the "new" salmon bead which to me, sounds like old school technology (Jensen Egg), with a few tweaks.

Where we were fishing yesterday, we got 12 in, lost another 10 or 11.  Big seal attacked one and took it away with him.  Of these fish, three hatchery

Dano
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Fish Assassin on October 16, 2021, 10:10:08 AM
You most certainly can use a float stop on the beads. Every season sees a "new and secret" lure.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: dennisK on October 16, 2021, 10:18:18 AM
Don't want to wreck the theme of "water conditions" on this theme, but having used Jensen eggs in the 90's, and now reading about soft beads and hard beads and their "success", are these beads any different than a single magnum Jensen egg?  Thoughts?  Why all the fancy knots to tie them?  Could you use a bobber stopper 3 fingers up from the hook, then tie a thin piece of woll above it as we used to do with the Jensen Egg?  Trying to figure out all the big deal about the "new" salmon bead which to me, sounds like old school technology (Jensen Egg), with a few tweaks.

Where we were fishing yesterday, we got 12 in, lost another 10 or 11.  Big seal attacked one and took it away with him.  Of these fish, three hatchery

Dano

Sounds like fun. so were you using jensen eggs or new style beads?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 16, 2021, 10:18:53 AM
River level has been slowly rising since yesterday, but it is staying in shape at the moment.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: DanTfisherman on October 16, 2021, 10:21:22 AM
Sounds like fun. so were you using jensen eggs or new style beads?

We were not using beads or single eggs.  Keeping it simple and using lures and spinners.

Dano
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: milo on October 16, 2021, 11:22:52 AM
...having used Jensen eggs in the 90's, and now reading about soft beads and hard beads and their "success", are these beads any different than a single magnum Jensen egg?  Thoughts?  Why all the fancy knots to tie them? 

The primary difference between Jensen eggs and the new soft beads is that the new ones are neutral buoyant, meaning they stay suspended in the water column, at the depth you set your weight, regardless of the speed of the flow. Old generation artificial egg imitations either floated (corkies, hard beads) or sank (soft Jensen, Pautzke, etc). Keeping them fixed on the leader was always a simple matter of using a little stopper.
So you are right, Dan, nothing truly revolutionary in the new soft beads except the neutral buoyancy factor, which takes the guesswork out of the depth setting equation.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: DanTfisherman on October 16, 2021, 12:00:22 PM
Thanks Milo.
Did not take into consideration the neutral buoyancy thing, but reading that most people like a 14-18 inch leader, how much difference could neutral buoyancy make, vs corkie or Jensen Egg?

As a heads up, to save cluttering up this particular post, I created a new one.

Dano
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: dennisK on October 16, 2021, 04:29:47 PM
any thoughts on sunday's fishability water levels?

thanks
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: yoda on October 16, 2021, 06:24:37 PM
Sounds like you guys are having fun, especially you rod. Just on a side note. If you are parking anywhere near lickman on the yarrow side, keep your eyes open. Some low lifes climbed under a buddy of mines truck that was parked up river on the gravel road from lickman and removed his catalytic converter. Obviously they are picking vehicles that have easy clearance to get under. So sad to come back to!
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: yoda on October 16, 2021, 06:27:52 PM
Sorry, so forgot to say it was on friday morning they did the deed. Anyone see it. I believe he was filing a police report.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: milo on October 16, 2021, 08:43:19 PM
any thoughts on sunday's fishability water levels?

thanks

The hydro graph shows an almost vertical rise. If it continues to rain throughout the night, it will be blown tomorrow. If, on the other hand, it stops raining and the water level drops a bit before morning, the river might be quite fishable. It's anyone's guess at this point.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on October 16, 2021, 09:11:25 PM
Sorry, so forgot to say it was on friday morning they did the deed. Anyone see it. I believe he was filing a police report.

There are 600 + same cases in Vancouver alone. I cannot believe RCMP did not do much about this.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: blueback on October 17, 2021, 02:18:58 PM
Any water conditions updates?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: milo on October 17, 2021, 02:20:18 PM
I guess people are too busy fishing to post a water condition report. 😁
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: blueback on October 17, 2021, 02:23:04 PM
I guess people are too busy fishing to post a water condition report. 😁

Ouch; had my daughter's soccer game the am, so had to be there for that. No fishing for me today :-X ;)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: dcajaxs on October 17, 2021, 05:10:34 PM
water has good visibility and is fishable as of noon today.  Some rain through the morning. Less fish for the area I was in (lower river) but a few fish hooked.  I thought it was going to be unfishable this weekend but proved to be the opposite of the forecast.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: armytruck on October 18, 2021, 07:39:24 AM
Fished down below the HWY in the boat yesterday aft. Water was cloudy and half clear . No joy for me and did not see any hookups from any of the other 10 or so boats down there . I thought there maybe a push come in with the tide but it was pretty dead . I bet it was good after I left  :o ;D
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Wiseguy on October 18, 2021, 11:37:32 AM
It was dead in the canal where I was yesterday afternoon. Nothing moving through. I even got to fish the entire run to myself where usually it is very busy. Go figure.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Jamier on October 18, 2021, 05:35:26 PM
Fished mid river this morning.  Much slower this week than last week. Headed down river to the canal to see how fishing was, saw 1 chum hooked, not a lot of fish moving.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: kanuckle head on October 18, 2021, 07:46:35 PM
The push of chum in the system is usually doom for the Coho hunt
Time to target another river
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 18, 2021, 07:48:05 PM
Season’s done! 😄
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: DKokanee on October 19, 2021, 02:09:50 PM
fished Fisherman's Corner all morning. There were still hatchery coho being caught, but I'd say it's definitely slowing down. If I were to break it down based on what I saw today, 1/5 of the fish that were caught were hatchery coho, 1/5 wild coho, and 3/5 chum.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 19, 2021, 09:16:06 PM
Hooked some coho today, released a chum salmon. River was quite clear and getting low again, but that shall change in the days to come.

(https://i.imgur.com/SyeOMek.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on October 19, 2021, 10:08:15 PM
No chums where I was...
(http://i.imgur.com/A0ZKZ3c.jpg) (https://imgur.com/A0ZKZ3c)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 19, 2021, 10:24:13 PM
Nope, I don't want that.... :P ;D
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 20, 2021, 03:20:17 PM
Around 10,000 coho salmon have bypassed all of us lousy anglers so far. Fish harder people. ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/yepfAY2.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Fish Assassin on October 20, 2021, 05:25:30 PM
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on October 20, 2021, 05:30:50 PM
Need to twitch jigs there
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Morty on October 20, 2021, 06:31:41 PM
Around 10,000 coho salmon have bypassed all of us lousy anglers so far. Fish harder people. ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/yepfAY2.jpg)

Night Swimmers.   
For years we've been catching most of the ones that are pre-disposed to Day swimming.   ;)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: wildmanyeah on October 20, 2021, 06:34:50 PM
Odd everyone was talking about fishing in the lower and now they are all at the hatchery.

What happened in all the pools in between
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Wiseguy on October 20, 2021, 06:47:35 PM
Scouting out spots today and went to a spot on the river today where there was anglers lined up on both sides of the run around a dozen on each side. Lots of cohos were surfacing and jumping in the run. There was 3 anglers standing shoulder to shoulder hooking one after the other where’s as only the odd fish was being hooked by all the other anglers. Upon further investigation looking more closely at what they were using as most everyone there were using beads. I realized the three anglers were using long leaders. Lol. Looked to be around 6 foot leaders from the weight to the bead. Most of the fish they were landing were wild with an occasional hatchery. Must have been a ton of fish in there to be flossed one after the other. Just an observation folks do not want to start a debate here. Cheers
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: milo on October 20, 2021, 08:37:21 PM
Upon further investigation looking more closely at what they were using as most everyone there were using beads. I realized the three anglers were using long leaders. Lol. Looked to be around 6 foot leaders from the weight to the bead. Most of the fish they were landing were wild with an occasional hatchery. Must have been a ton of fish in there to be flossed one after the other. Just an observation folks do not want to start a debate here. Cheers

I don't even bother to get upset anymore. There was a guy fishing by my side the other day. He was hooking 5-6 fish to my 1. He tried to "help" me hook into more fish by suggesting I fish deeper (so that the weight would drag along the bottom causing his 5 foot leader to sway). I thanked him and told him I preferred to catch biting fish only. He was genuinely shocked when I explained that most, if not all, of his fish were lined (flossed).
To prove my point, I asked him to put on a tiny green bead on top of his hook. Needless to say, he kept doing quite well. 🤪
But it's OK. There was a time, many moons ago, when I believed chartreuse yarn was the hot ticket for Fraser sockeye. 🥴
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 21, 2021, 08:24:47 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Pp1d9Pp.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Jpv3s0l.jpg)

If you have been fishing the Chilliwack/Vedder River system, you may have come across a hatchery coho salmon with one of these black tags. This is one of several fishery projects taking place right now in the river system. Yesterday I was able to watch some of the fish being tagged at the Chilliwack River Hatchery and had a conversation with the biologist in charge of this at Fisheries and Oceans Canada. These adult coho salmon are tagged once they reach the hatchery and released back into the Vedder Canal. Around ten specimens are tagged and released per day. If you catch a tagged hatchery coho salmon, please feel free to retain the fish, but we'd like you to return the black tag by dropping it off at Fred's Custom Tackle's Chilliwack store. It would also be really helpful if you can include the time and location of the capture. Studies like this can only be successful with the help from the recreational fishing community and they'll hopefully benefit anglers in the future.

Please share the information with others.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: armytruck on October 21, 2021, 03:23:06 PM
Around 10,000 coho salmon have bypassed all of us lousy anglers so far. Fish harder people. ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/yepfAY2.jpg)
How many hatchery did you count in there  ;D ;D ;D :o
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: booters on October 21, 2021, 04:03:28 PM
I dont know
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Morty on October 21, 2021, 04:04:42 PM
What a waste !!
Three fairly large white Chinook stripped of their roe and dumped over the side of the road at the parking area just west of Way's Field

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/i/SeaLegend22/waste.jpg
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 21, 2021, 10:59:45 PM
How many hatchery did you count in there  ;D ;D ;D :o

There were quite a few hatchery fish I saw, some rather big ones...

Conditions remain great, water is getting a little on the low side but that shall change pretty quickly this weekend. Popped down to the river briefly this evening. One hook-up, and one bright silver hatchery fish on the beach.

(https://i.imgur.com/09nxg41.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on October 21, 2021, 11:07:40 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/avVuTHU.jpg) (https://imgur.com/avVuTHU)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Morty on October 22, 2021, 10:42:14 AM
RADIO TAGS

If you have been fishing the Chilliwack/Vedder River system, you may have come across a hatchery coho salmon with one of these black tags. This is one of several fishery projects taking place right now in the river system. Yesterday I was able to watch some of the fish being tagged at the Chilliwack River Hatchery and had a conversation with the biologist in charge of this at Fisheries and Oceans Canada. These adult coho salmon are tagged once they reach the hatchery and released back into the Vedder Canal. Around ten specimens are tagged and released per day. If you catch a tagged hatchery coho salmon, please feel free to retain the fish, but we'd like you to return the black tag by dropping it off at Fred's Custom Tackle's Chilliwack store. It would also be really helpful if you can include the time and location of the capture. Studies like this can only be successful with the help from the recreational fishing community and they'll hopefully benefit anglers in the future.

Please share the information with others.

Curious how much data is obtained from those tags. ??   Are they tracked automatically via GPS or does the researcher have to go on river with a device to track?  Is the data collected fairly often?  (i.e. fish's location every 15 minutes or so?)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 23, 2021, 12:32:02 PM
River conditions surprisingly have remained excellent. It really hasn't rained that much in this valley. Great to see many anglers out there enjoying the day.

(https://i.imgur.com/HSq78c7.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: clarki on October 23, 2021, 01:29:03 PM
Great picture, Rodney.
For the past many years I have have fished in the lower river among the cottonwoods and have gotten used to browns and greens.

This year, I have fished mostly in the upper river and the colours are spectacular. Even yesterday, I remarked to those around me how beautiful the colours were around us.

I love fishing in the fall when low cloud clings to the coloured mountainsides, just as your picture shows.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on October 23, 2021, 02:02:19 PM
Enjoy it while you can.  in a matter of weeks...
(http://i.imgur.com/YGXJWmH.jpg) (https://imgur.com/YGXJWmH)

(http://i.imgur.com/0wdeHvP.jpg) (https://imgur.com/0wdeHvP)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Silex-user on October 23, 2021, 09:18:05 PM
Hooray....steelhead season is almost here. ;D


Silex-user
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 24, 2021, 12:35:25 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/B3tLEO4.jpg)

Chilliwack River Hatchery completed about 1/4 of the chinook salmon spawning this past week. The target is once again 2 million juveniles.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 25, 2021, 09:58:34 AM
River conditions remain good.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 25, 2021, 09:51:19 PM
I'm amazed how low the river is staying while the rain comes on and off, for now...

Not a whole lot of fish to report today, spent the afternoon mostly just exploring new locations where I haven't visited this season yet for a change of scenery.

(https://i.imgur.com/i2YHqpY.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on October 26, 2021, 09:35:41 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/o4e1IWH.jpg) (https://imgur.com/o4e1IWH)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: FlyFishin Magician on October 26, 2021, 10:15:50 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/o4e1IWH.jpg) (https://imgur.com/o4e1IWH)

Beauty fish bigsnag! Glad you got out again...
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 27, 2021, 12:41:10 AM
Look at the size of those spots along the back! Maybe it's just the lighting but they seem a lot bigger than normal. Beauty!

Stayed home to be a good boy today and finish up a video that will go live tmr evening. River level is slowly creeping up, but I'm hoping for some good bites in the morning. ;D
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: spoiler on October 27, 2021, 06:54:25 AM
Bigsnag,
what size is that Hardy Marquis?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: redside1 on October 27, 2021, 07:54:36 AM
Hooray....steelhead season is almost here. ;D


Silex-user

Better hope that winter run steelhead didn't run into the same issues that summer run's did coast wide.
worst returns on record for virtually every system from the Columbia to the Skeena.
If they did it will be a long near fishless winter.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: wildmanyeah on October 27, 2021, 08:59:09 AM
Better hope that winter run steelhead didn't run into the same issues that summer run's did coast wide.
worst returns on record for virtually every system from the Columbia to the Skeena.
If they did it will be a long near fishless winter.

do they trend with other steelhead populations?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on October 27, 2021, 10:52:18 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/o4e1IWH.jpg) (https://imgur.com/o4e1IWH)


oh look - a new color of hair band! Lose the last ones?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: avid angler on October 27, 2021, 11:30:46 AM
do they trend with other steelhead populations?
I personally have not noticed the chilliwack steelhead to follow the same trends as other watersheds. I’m crossing my fingers this is the case this year.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: FlyFishin Magician on October 27, 2021, 11:44:59 AM
Bigsnag,
what size is that Hardy Marquis?

It’s a 7. Right bigsnag?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: dennisK on October 27, 2021, 12:07:40 PM
Does Rod live in the valley now? I'm in ditchmond area and still almost 90mins to 2hr one way depending on traffic....He zips out for a couple of hours like it's a quick trip lol.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: booters on October 27, 2021, 01:57:54 PM
is that a steelhead charateristics are the same, If so very early and im out getting my steelhead tag
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Wiseguy on October 27, 2021, 04:42:33 PM
Does Rod live in the valley now? I'm in ditchmond area and still almost 90mins to 2hr one way depending on traffic....He zips out for a couple of hours like it's a quick trip lol.
I read somewhere he lives up on Promontory in Chilliwack.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: firstlight on October 27, 2021, 05:04:58 PM
I read somewhere he lives up on Promontory in Chilliwack.

Thats where all the Rock Stars live. ;)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 27, 2021, 05:26:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8DTn8Si.jpg)

River level bumped up a bit more today. Lots of water to cover, got a little brown but remained clear enough to fish. Hauled in the biggest one of the season so far.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: cammer on October 27, 2021, 05:48:15 PM
Homeless camp at Wilson
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on October 27, 2021, 06:38:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8DTn8Si.jpg)

River level bumped up a bit more today. Lots of water to cover, got a little brown but remained clear enough to fish. Hauled in the biggest one of the season so far.


Now he's fishing jigs! How big? Did you weigh it? Those short rods exaggerate perspective.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 27, 2021, 07:28:03 PM
I just weighed it without guts... 8lb, a little lighter than I first thought.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: yoda on October 27, 2021, 07:56:28 PM
Wow, i thought that fish was bigger than that as well. Sure fooled us heh? I have those 2 shots i took, but i am not as teck savy as everyone.
How can i get them to you?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 27, 2021, 08:04:25 PM
Wow, i thought that fish was bigger than that as well. Sure fooled us heh? I have those 2 shots i took, but i am not as teck savy as everyone.
How can i get them to you?

Me being 125lb fooled us... ;D Thanks for the chat today, I hope you ended up hooking some there after I left.

You can send those to info@fishingwithrod.com :)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on October 27, 2021, 09:29:50 PM
I just weighed it without guts... 8lb, a little lighter than I first thought.

Nice! That's a big hatch coho.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on October 27, 2021, 10:16:54 PM
It’s a 7. Right bigsnag?
Yes
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on October 27, 2021, 10:19:28 PM
I just weighed it without guts... 8lb, a little lighter than I first thought.
cohos always look heavier than they actually weight.  This looked to be a solid 8.  Pretty fish! 
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on October 27, 2021, 10:22:40 PM

oh look - a new color of hair band! Lose the last ones?
LOL...no, orange on Tuesdays.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on October 28, 2021, 08:41:14 AM
cohos always look heavier than they actually weight.  This looked to be a solid 8.  Pretty fish!

As I recall a salmon will lose 1/4 to 1/3 it's weight when dress cleaned. - so that fish could have been in the 10 to 11lb range when landed.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on October 28, 2021, 08:59:59 AM
LOL...no, orange on Tuesdays.

I really don't look at the hair bands... that is another nice fish & makes me envious! It's only October and already I have the flu.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 28, 2021, 10:33:37 AM
As I recall a salmon will lose 1/4 to 1/3 it's weight when dress cleaned. - so that fish could have been in the 10 to 11lb range when landed.

Keep going... I think I'm beginning to like you. ;D

Thanks for the photo Yoda. I am always the one taking photos of fish and other people, rarely have photos of myself these days.

(https://i.imgur.com/GeNvgqq.jpg)

In case you're wondering, that's not where I caught it. I paraded with the fish like a hero down to Yoda so he could see it... Oops, no I meant so I could tell him that they were biting somewhere else and he should go there. ;D
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: armytruck on October 28, 2021, 12:22:22 PM
HEY !!!!
Save some of those for the weekend warriors EH!!   ::) :P ??? ;D ;)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Fish Assassin on October 28, 2021, 01:36:26 PM
What is a so confessed Conservationist doing holding a dead fish ? ;D
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on October 28, 2021, 01:55:58 PM
What is a so confessed Conservationist doing holding a dead fish ? ;D

judging by the quizzical look on his face he is not quite sure.  ::)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: fishdreamer on October 28, 2021, 05:40:14 PM
That fish must be 2.5 ft long given Rod's height
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: dennisK on October 28, 2021, 07:19:45 PM
That fish must be 2.5 ft long given Rod's height


(https://d22j5o5tchpycs.cloudfront.net/episodes/the-one-and-only-mr-warmth-don-rickles/_fullDescriptionTransform/don-rickles.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 28, 2021, 08:51:00 PM
What is a so confessed Conservationist doing holding a dead fish ? ;D

Well, I was purposely leaving them for you but after you failed to catch my fish last week, I had to pull them out myself. ;)

That fish must be 2.5 ft long given Rod's height

;D
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on October 28, 2021, 10:00:38 PM
That fish must be 2.5 ft long given Rod's height

Rod is less than 5ft tall? :o
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: clarki on October 30, 2021, 10:18:22 AM
About 18” vis. There’s a strong cold wind blowing and where I am standing still doesn’t have direct sun yet. Brrrrr
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: dennisK on October 30, 2021, 01:12:37 PM
About 18” vis. There’s a strong cold wind blowing and where I am standing still doesn’t have direct sun yet. Brrrrr

How far up are you?  The slab? It doesn't get sun until noon.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: clarki on October 30, 2021, 08:09:38 PM
How far up are you?  The slab? It doesn't get sun until noon.
Mid river, below Tamihi.
Didn’t get sun until well after 11. I wasn’t prepared for the wind and the prolonged shade and froze my niblets off.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on October 30, 2021, 08:42:05 PM
Mid river, below Tamihi.
Didn’t get sun until well after 11. I wasn’t prepared for the wind and the prolonged shade and froze my niblets off.

Felt slimy on rod grip and found my hand bleed like crazy. The cold wind peeled the skin and I did not feel at all.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on October 30, 2021, 08:50:20 PM
I walked out of the door, felt the breeze, walked back inside. I''ll just pop down there tomorrow instead. ;D
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: armytruck on November 01, 2021, 03:34:06 PM
Rod is less than 5ft tall? :o

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/57/24/dc/5724dcaaa95b4ef9bb99f881f74240b6.jpg)
 ;D 8)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on November 02, 2021, 10:37:42 AM
Pretty much bang on... ;D

River is gradually dropping, still a bit on the high side, fishing is spotty but they are there. ;D

New coho salmon fishing video tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lVr7a7MHEY
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on November 02, 2021, 06:50:00 PM
Almost felt like winter steelhead season today. Water colour was green with vis. at around 2ft. River is still a bit high but fishable.

Some coho were caught.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on November 03, 2021, 09:49:50 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/IYeZrlh.jpg)

One of the coho salmon my friend Jenna caught yesterday afternoon.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on November 03, 2021, 11:18:45 PM
Bounced between a few spots in the lower river this afternoon for an hour. River is pretty high, water clarity is fine, but it was raining hard. The forecast is looking terrible and if it doesn't drop that might just be a wrap for this excellent season.

I'm seeing way more chum salmon in all the channels in the past two days than a week ago which is fantastic.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on November 04, 2021, 01:30:07 PM
Bounced between a few spots in the lower river this afternoon for an hour. River is pretty high, water clarity is fine, but it was raining hard. The forecast is looking terrible and if it doesn't drop that might just be a wrap for this excellent season.

I'm seeing way more chum salmon in all the channels in the past two days than a week ago which is fantastic.

as the salmon season winding down, I feel getting one year older again
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on November 04, 2021, 01:46:06 PM
If I live in the area and still want to fish the Tidal Fraser River for salmon then I'd be a lot more vocal about this, but I am pretty content with what I have in my backyard now. The reality is that there's basically no one advocating for this lost fishery by coming up with compromised solutions to make an opening work, so I'm at the point that if it opens, great, if not, I'm not missing it and it's good news for the fish.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: milo on November 04, 2021, 02:48:06 PM
If I live in the area and still want to fish the Tidal Fraser River for salmon then I'd be a lot more vocal about this, but I am pretty content with what I have in my backyard now. The reality is that there's basically no one advocating for this lost fishery by coming up with compromised solutions to make an opening work, so I'm at the point that if it opens, great, if not, I'm not missing it and it's good news for the fish.

I like that way of thinking.👍

I'm done fishing for this year. It's salmon smoking time. Doing my second 6-coho batch (my smoker's full capacity) as we speak. Experimenting with lower salt amounts than usual. The first batch was gummy bear style candy, which turned out fantastic. This one will be lemon-pepper.

Tight lines to those who are still fishing, see you next year. :)

Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on November 04, 2021, 02:56:12 PM
I like that way of thinking.👍

I'm done fishing for this year. It's salmon smoking time. Doing my second 6-coho batch (my smoker's full capacity) as we speak. Experimenting with lower salt amounts than usual. The first batch was gummy bear style candy, which turned out fantastic. This one will be lemon-pepper.

Tight lines to those who are still fishing, see you next year. :)

Oops, I posted that post in the wrong thread.... :-X It was supposed to go in the Lower Fraser opening thread.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: wildmanyeah on November 04, 2021, 06:58:30 PM

I'm seeing way more chum salmon in all the channels in the past two days than a week ago which is fantastic.

Are you sure they are not 3 year olds??
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on November 11, 2021, 02:31:34 PM
They keep calling for rain, but it just doesn't come and river keeps staying fishable so nothing is getting done in this house. ;D

Chum salmon abundance in the lower river continues to climb, from observations at the same spots daily. It will be interesting to see the data from stock assessment after the season. One thing that was pointed out last night was that we are seeing a good percentage of chum salmon quite a bit smaller than average. Perhaps test fisheries are not getting these fish due to mesh sizes, which result in a lower estimate. That said, overall abundance in the Vedder does appear to be lower than previous good years.

Water clarity is excellent, river level is quite nice right now too. Some very fresh coho salmon are still being caught, just not by me. :-X

I want to deliver what the Chilliwack River Hatchery has updated us so far for 2021 at last night's meeting. Many thanks to Alex Klingemann, the operation manager, for always taking the time to provide the numbers and facts.

As of November 4th, the hatchery has had about 20,000 coho salmon returning to it. There are still a few more thousands holding in the channel and waiting to be sorted. Once the season is completed, there will be a final number, which I suspect will be close to 30,000. This number is similar to 2020 (30,363) and 2019 (27,701).

So far, just over 10,000 fall chinook salmon have returned to the hatchery. This is almost double of the returns in 2020 (5,946) and 2019 (5,564). The main reason behind this, as mentioned in an earlier post, is the doubling of the juvenile release from 1 to 2 million fish in 2020, and these numbers include jacks. The numbers of jacks returning to the hatchery in 2019, 2020 and 2021 are 1,935, 1,944, 6,054, respectively. Next year, we should see strong fall chinook salmon returns for both adults and jacks.

The summer chinook salmon return number is fairly similar to the previous two years. This year’s return number is 2,001. Last year’s return was 2,439, and 1,455 for 2019.

Chum salmon returns, like coho salmon, are still happening until the end of December. To date, 1,785 chum salmon have made it to the hatchery. The last four years, the returns have been between 3,000 and 4,000 fish, with the exception of 2018 when 9,004 reached the hatchery.

The production target for 2021 are the followings.

Summer chinook salmon
Egg target: 550,000
Release target: 500,000
Release size: 7 - 8g

Fall chinook salmon
Egg target: 2.8 million (730,000 to Capilano Hatchery)
Release target: 2 million
Release size: 5 - 6g

Coho salmon
Egg target: 1 million
Release target: 800,000
Release size: 20g

Chum salmon
Egg target: 3 million
Release target: 2.6 million (2 million fed fry and 600,000 unfed fry)
Release size: 1g (fed fry)

Winter steelhead
Egg target: 200,000
Release target: 125,000
Release size: 80g

Keep in mind that these adult return numbers are the numbers of fish back to the hatchery, not the total run sizes for the Chilliwack/Vedder River.
All hatchery coho and steelhead are adipose clipped.

The hatchery currently remains closed to the public, but hopefully things will be back to normal next year.

I hope this gives you a better understanding on what the Chilliwack River Hatchery does. If there are other questions, please feel free to leave them in the comments and I’ll do my best to either answer them or relay them to the hatchery.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Lunk Louie on November 11, 2021, 04:18:00 PM
Hey Rod

Maybe  somebody should take some closeup photos of the coho at the hatchery right now so we can see how many actually have been clipped....maybe there is a reason (beside the covid excuse) why they're closed to the public.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on November 11, 2021, 04:24:38 PM
Hey Rod

Maybe  somebody should take some closeup photos of the coho at the hatchery right now so we can see how many actually have been clipped....maybe there is a reason (beside the covid excuse) why they're closed to the public.

How many of the returning adult fish holding in the channel are clipped? Well I've been at the hatchery numerous times this fall and i can tell you that it's a mix of hatchery clipped and wild fish in the school. This is not suggesting the fish are not being clipped, wild fish do make their way into the hatchery and as many of them are used for brood as possible.

100% of the juvenile hatchery coho salmon are clipped prior to being released.

The hatchery is closed due to the federal guideline, the managers have no control of it even though they have been hoping to open it since they know how many people are keen to go up there for a visit.

If you are suggesting that there is a shortage of hatchery coho salmon to catch then it's not very accurate lol.. Out of the tens of thousands of coho salmon which reach the hatchery, majority of them are clipped fish, plenty of big ones too... It makes me think that I have not been fishing hard enough.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on November 11, 2021, 09:45:29 PM
 Some very kinda fresh coho salmon are still being caught, by me.
(http://i.imgur.com/kWwi2ER.jpg) (https://imgur.com/kWwi2ER)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: clarki on November 11, 2021, 10:05:22 PM

Ah, you caught one of the late run Chilliwack/Vedder protruding eye salmon.


Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: psd1179 on November 11, 2021, 10:05:44 PM
Some very kinda fresh coho salmon are still being caught, by me.
(http://i.imgur.com/kWwi2ER.jpg) (https://imgur.com/kWwi2ER)

Do you only fish one spot or take fish photo in one specific spot?
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on November 11, 2021, 10:19:29 PM
Do you only fish one spot or take fish photo in one specific spot?

That's the sand box at Vedder Park's playground.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: jackster on November 11, 2021, 11:15:39 PM
Do you only fish one spot or take fish photo in one specific spot?
Nice try Steve
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: bigsnag on November 12, 2021, 08:13:04 AM
Ah, you caught one of the late run Chilliwack/Vedder protruding eye salmon.

That's the sand box at Vedder Park's playground.

LOL
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: FlyFishin Magician on November 12, 2021, 08:29:43 AM
LOL

Nice fish there buddy! The protruding-eye strain of coho. Now play nice in that sand box!
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: dennisK on November 12, 2021, 09:17:13 AM
is it pouring rain or something huge spikes on hydro

https://wateroffice.ec.gc.ca/report/real_time_e.html?stn=08MH001

https://wateroffice.ec.gc.ca/report/real_time_e.html?stn=08MH103
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: sugartooth on November 12, 2021, 10:40:35 AM
is it pouring rain or something huge spikes on hydro

https://wateroffice.ec.gc.ca/report/real_time_e.html?stn=08MH001

https://wateroffice.ec.gc.ca/report/real_time_e.html?stn=08MH103


Rain and lower elevation snow melt.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on November 12, 2021, 10:41:35 AM
is it pouring rain or something huge spikes on hydro

https://wateroffice.ec.gc.ca/report/real_time_e.html?stn=08MH001

https://wateroffice.ec.gc.ca/report/real_time_e.html?stn=08MH103

I dropped a water bottle above the Crossing this morning. 8)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on November 12, 2021, 12:56:31 PM
Season's done! ;D Here are a couple of recent photos.

(https://i.imgur.com/csWIrOH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/44BnhNn.jpg)

Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on November 13, 2021, 01:29:02 PM
Another photo from the peak of the season.

(https://i.imgur.com/s5VygES.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Rodney on November 14, 2021, 09:40:04 PM
In case anyone is wondering, the river is unfishable. I could see clarity improving gradually if it dries up a bit though......
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: ribolovac02 on November 14, 2021, 10:40:27 PM
I think the river is making a New river right now ,  ;Dits been a long time , if ever, i have seen it ,go past the 4 meter mark on the water level gauge
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: geomorphin on November 15, 2021, 07:32:04 AM
With a discharge of 488 m3/s at the crossing, this is a big event!  The biggest since 2011.  Not unprecedented though.  It's the 13th highest flow since 1970.  The floods in 2006 and 2003 were 1040 m3/s and 1140 m3/s- over twice the size of this one.

500 m3/s is generally considered to be a major gravel mobilizing event, so it is safe to say some of our favourite holes will look a bit different when the water comes down. 
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: jim on November 15, 2021, 07:32:24 AM
I was down at the canal yesterday. Never seen it so high, right up in the grass. A parade of old trees. stumps, burnt wood, newer trees, propane bottles, were streaming down the river a quite the rate of knots. Looked like all the campsites got cleaned out/flooded out.
 Will be interesting to see what is new when lower water reveals it.







Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: RalphH on November 15, 2021, 08:33:26 AM
the highest events are mostly produced by warm rain on snow pack. Fortunately we don't have much in the way of snow pack yet.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: wildmanyeah on November 15, 2021, 09:21:16 AM
the highest events are mostly produced by warm rain on snow pack. Fortunately we don't have much in the way of snow pack yet.

absolutely ralph the fraser will shake this off like nothing, The forecasted rise for the fraser during this event is not even half of what a high frashet is.

Its the small streams with local catch basins and small time of concentrations that will see flood levels.
Title: Re: 2021 Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information & water condition updates
Post by: Morty on November 16, 2021, 09:22:27 PM
absolutely ralph the fraser will shake this off like nothing, The forecasted rise for the fraser during this event is not even half of what a high frashet is.

Its the small streams with local catch basins and small time of concentrations that will see flood levels.

Let's look at that again in a fresh light