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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: IronNoggin on February 22, 2021, 09:47:50 AM
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British Columbia COVID - 19 Immunization Plan & Registration:
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/safety/emergency-preparedness-response-recovery/covid-19-provincial-support/vaccines#register
Rod: Wasn't sure where to put this, but thought there were probably a few that might be interested.
Cheers,
Nog
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Canada clears Johnson & Johnson vaccine, first to approve 4
"Canada is getting a fourth vaccine to prevent COVID-19 as the country's health regulator has cleared a Johnson & Johnson shot that works with just one dose instead of two, officials said Friday.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Canada has an agreement with Johnson & Johnson for 10 million doses between now and September. It was not immediately clear when Canada would get its first shipment."
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/ap-source-canada-clears-johnson-johnson-vaccine-76276510
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Trudeau Liberals gaming the relief rollout for votes?
So giving Trudeau plaudits on relief because of a StatsCan report showing the government was gaming the system is a bit of a reach.
But that’s what happened.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/bonokoski-trudeau-liberals-gaming-the-relief-rollout-for-votes
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PMO scrambled to contain controversy over pandemic early-warning system, internal e-mails show
Internal e-mails show the Prime Minister’s Office was scrambling last summer to contain the fallout over the silencing of Canada’s pandemic early-warning system after learning it was curtailed less than a year before COVID-19 struck.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-pmo-scrambled-to-contain-controversy-over-pandemic-early-warning/
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The following article explains how we got to where we are. Not every detail involved with this is included, but many are:
The complacent country: How Canadian public health allowed itself to be steamrolled by COVID-19
"COVID-19 had already killed 3,000 people in 60 countries when Canadian officialdom was universally chiding people not to 'overreact'"
“We lost the ‘hard bastards’ who are the people who need to lead in times of pandemics,” said Amir Attaran, a public health researcher at the University of Ottawa. “We instead gained the world of gentle social scientists, and they are just constitutionally unfit for some of the decisions required in a crisis.”
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-complacent-country-how-canadian-public-health-allowed-itself-to-be-steamrolled-by-covid-19
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COVID-19: Those with weakened immune systems may reveal the secrets to the variant mystery
“One of the mutations we found led us to discover the B.1.1.7 variant because this mutation in our patient that had emerged in response to treatment actually was one of the key mutations found in the B.1.1.7,” Gupta said.
“We were the first to actually show that in vitro, these mutations actually had a functional impact. And therefore, this was a sign that the virus was not only evolving, but actually doing things to overcome treatments that we were throwing at the virus.”
Unfortunately, both patients in the U.K. and Boston passed away.
But they did provide key insight into the need to control community spread, to protect those most vulnerable and to ramp up vaccinations."
https://globalnews.ca/news/7692307/covid-19-variants-origin/
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Turns out as many of us believed, the liberal leader been lying about vaccines the entire time.
Take a long hard look at the messengers here:
Trudeau's blaming of Mulroney on vaccine problems delusional, say experts
"For months now, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has blamed everyone for Canada’s trickle of COVID-19 vaccines but himself.
Trudeau and his ministers have gone so far as to blame former Progressive Conservative prime minister Brian Mulroney — who was prime minister from 1984 to 1993 — for the privatization, or “the selling off“, of Connaught Laboratories. What he fails to mention is that Connaught Labs didn’t go anywhere. It’s now part of Sanofi Pasteur, the world’s largest manufacturer of vaccines. The Connaught Campus in Toronto accounts for one-fifth of the company’s global vaccine sales.
Paul Lucas, who was president and CEO of GlaxoSmithKline Canada from 1994 to 2012, started speaking out and wrote an opinion piece in the Financial Post after he heard federal Liberal Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs Dominic LeBlanc being interviewed on CTV’s Power Play with Evan Solomon, saying that GlaxoSmithKline had closed its manufacturing facility for vaccines during Harper’s Conservative government, which is false.
“This facility didn’t close, it’s still producing most of the flu vaccine for Canada on an annual basis,” Lucas said during a recent telephone interview.
“I’ve been very concerned and frankly upset about the lies that are coming from the federal government about this whole (COVID vaccine) file,” says Lucas, who was integral to the production and distribution of the Canadian vaccine for the H1N1 pandemic in 2009. All of the vaccine for that outbreak was produced in the GSK factory in Quebec City.
“Trudeau has badly botched Canada’s COVID-19 vaccine procurement,” states Lucas.
“First, he blamed Harper for his own failings. Then he blamed Mulroney and then he blamed the provinces. Then he actually turned on his own vaccine task force. He blamed them for about a day or two. Then he blamed the companies — Pfizer for delaying the delivery of its vaccines in January,” explains Lucas."
https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/corbella-15
There is a LOT more, including insights into the CanSino "deal", the foot dragging of Trudeau to get in line for Pfizer etc, and the newly Liberal proposed amendments to PMPRB’s Patented Medicines Regulation noted as "putting Canadians at a huge disadvantage for gaining access to the most innovative drugs that are out there,"
Truly worth the read, even for those who will choose to filter out the information so they don't have to accept it.
Nog
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Always had reservations about Canada moving the vaccine goalposts...
Moving second vaccine dose back months an experiment on Canadian lives
"A population-level experiment.
That’s a quote. It’s what Canada’s top scientist called the Trudeau government’s decision to move your second vaccine dose back by months.
“It amounts right now to a basically population-level experiment,” said Mona Nemer, CM CQ FRSC, whose formal title is Chief Science Advisor to the Government of Canada.
She was picked for the role by Justin Trudeau himself.
And Nemer says pushing back the second dose of COVID-19 vaccines is an “experiment.” On you."
https://ottawasun.com/opinion/columnists/kinsella-moving-second-vaccine-back-months-is-an-experiment-on-us
Hmmmmmm.....
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Slow Canada: Here’s How Badly We Muffed the Pandemic
The auditor general lays out six ways our Public Health Agency failed its mandate.
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/03/26/Slow-Canada-Muffed-Pandemic/
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Suspend AstraZeneca use for people under 55, vaccine committee recommends
Canada's National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) is recommending provinces pause the use of the AstraZeneca-Oxford COVID-19 vaccine on those under the age of 55 because of safety concerns — guidance most provinces said today that they would follow.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/astrazeneca-under-55-1.5968128
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After that devastating auditor general's report, why does Tam still have a job?
The unwritten conclusion of that scathing auditor general's report into how the Public Health Agency botched early pandemic detection is obvious: Replace Dr. Theresa Tam.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/don-martin-after-that-devastating-auditor-general-s-report-why-does-tam-still-have-a-job-1.5366995
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Pfizer-BioNTech Shot Stops Covid Spread, Israeli Study Shows
The Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE Covid-19 vaccine appeared to stop the vast majority of recipients in Israel becoming infected, providing the first real-world indication that the immunization will curb transmission of the coronavirus.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-21/pfizer-biontech-shot-stops-covid-s-spread-israeli-study-shows
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Health Canada issues advisory for face masks containing graphene
Health Canada has issued an advisory and asked distributors to recall masks sold with graphene or biographene in them over potential inhalation risks.
Graphene is comprised of a single layer of carbon atoms and is considered a nanomaterial, meaning it is made of tiny particles, and is reported to have “antiviral and antibacterial properties,” the advisory says.
The products affected are listed as “face masks labelled as containing graphene or biomass graphene,” the advisory states. Health Canada recommends that Canadians not use masks with the substance and to consult their health-care provider if they have used graphene face masks and have health concerns - such as new or unexplained shortness of breath, discomfort or difficulty breathing.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/health-canada-issues-advisory-for-face-masks-containing-graphene-1.5372822
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As COVID-19 variants spread in B.C., concern grows for effects on younger adults
Doctors in British Columbia are sounding the alarm about the effect new COVID-19 variants are having on younger people.
Evidence suggests the variants of concern are not only more contagious, but are also leading to more severe hospitalizations — particularly for younger adults.
“With the initial COVID the feeling was very much that while young people may get COVID they may not get all that sick, I think the variants have changed that … and I don’t know if people are realizing that,” Dr. Gerald Da Roza, head of medicine at Royal Columbian Hospital, told Global News.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7738403/covid-19-bc-variants-young-adults/
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Province shifts to Phase 3: millions to book vaccine appointments online
https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2021PREM0024-000634
All eligible adults in B.C. will soon be able to follow an easy, three-step process to register and book their vaccine appointments online, as the Province moves to Phase 3 of B.C.’s COVID-19 Immunization Plan ahead of schedule.
“British Columbians faced the countless challenges of this past year with incredible courage,” said Premier John Horgan. “Today marks a major milestone in our fight against COVID-19, and we ask everyone to wait their turn and follow three steps to help put this pandemic behind us.”
There are three easy steps to register to book your vaccine appointment:
Register: First, register when it is your turn and get a confirmation code.
Book: Book a vaccine appointment when you get an email, text or phone call telling you you are eligible to book, based on your age.
Get vaccinated: Visit a vaccine clinic to get your vaccine dose.
Starting at 8 a.m. (Pacific time), on Tuesday, April 6, 2021, people born in 1950 and earlier (71 and older), Indigenous peoples 18 and older, and those who are clinically extremely vulnerable may register to book their vaccine appointment through the Province’s new ‘Get Vaccinated’ system in one of three ways:
online at: gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated
by telephone through a provincial call centre (toll-free) at 1 833 838-2323
in-person at the nearest Service BC location.
“We encourage everyone in B.C. to get their vaccine at their first opportunity, when it is their turn,” said Adrian Dix, Minister of Health.
Check in regularly to know when it is your turn to register: gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated
To preserve system capacity, please wait until your age cohort is called to register.
“With more vaccine supply, we are taking an important step into Phase 3 of our immunization plan, and I encourage anyone who has questions to go to the BC Centre for Disease Control website to learn more about the safe and effective vaccines we have here in B.C.,” said Dr. Bonnie Henry, provincial health officer. “Every vaccine delivered makes all of us safer – let’s keep our momentum going and get everyone who wants one, their first dose by Canada Day.”
People aged 55 to 65 on the Lower Mainland continue to be eligible to book an appointment to receive the AstraZeneca vaccine at a participating pharmacy near them:
www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/vaccine/pharmacy
More news to expand B.C.’s AstraZeneca program through pharmacies in other regions will come in the days ahead.
“We have worked diligently and tirelessly to get this online registration, booking and tracking system ready for British Columbians,” said Dr. Penny Ballem, executive lead, B.C.’s COVID-19 immunization program. “I want to thank the regional health authorities for delivering the clinics. Now, with the help of the new online and single phone number system, we’re ready to move onto the next phase of the largest vaccination program in B.C. history.”
To date, nearly 770,000 eligible British Columbians – or one in six – have received their first dose of vaccine, and more than 87,000 have received their second dose. If B.C.’s vaccine supply is delivered as scheduled, everyone in B.C. who is eligible for the vaccine will receive their first dose by the end of June.
Learn More:
On April 6, 2021, gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated will be available in 12 different languages.
For language assistance with registration, call (toll-free) 1 833 838-2323, available in 140 different languages.
For technical immunization information, visit the BC Centre for Disease Control’s website: www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/covid-19-vaccine
For more information on what to expect when you go to get vaccinated for COVID-19, visit:
www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/covid-19-vaccine/getting-a-vaccine
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those who are clinically extremely vulnerable may register to book their vaccine appointment through the Province’s new ‘Get Vaccinated’ system
people who are in this situation (like me) must wait until at least April 15th to receive a letter authorizing them to get a vaccine:
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/vaccine/cev
Review the list to determine if you are clinically extremely vulnerable. ...If you're on the clinically extremely vulnerable list, you will receive a patient invitation letter. The letter will be mailed to your home address on file with your Personal Health Number.
Letters will be mailed starting March 24 and should arrive by April 15
If you're on the clinically extremely vulnerable list and you haven't received your patient invitation letter by April 15, it may be because:
You recently moved to B.C.
You had a treatment in another province
You don't get medication through the BC PharmaNet system
Your home address on file is outdated
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Starting April 15, you can try booking an appointment using the online Get Vaccinated registration and booking tool or call centre. Using your Personal Health Number, the registration system or phone agent will confirm if you're eligible. .
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people who are in this situation (like me) must wait until at least April 15th to receive a letter authorizing them to get a vaccine:
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/vaccine/cev
My mother-in-law received her CEV letter more than a week ago. She is older so had already booked her appointment.
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Why the P1 Variant Poses So Great a Threat to BC
The virus mutation emerged in Brazil. It spreads explosively and slams the young.
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/04/05/P1-Variant-Poses-Threat-BC/
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will we need to wait 4 months for the second shot?
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will we need to wait 4 months for the second shot?
Yes.
"B.C.'s approach is in line with recommendations from Canada's National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) to extend the interval between doses to 16 weeks or 4 months. "
http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/covid-19-vaccine/getting-a-vaccine
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Yes.
"B.C.'s approach is in line with recommendations from Canada's National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) to extend the interval between doses to 16 weeks or 4 months. "
Which directly (and foolishly) ignores the advice of the manufacturer (Pfizer), the WHO, and most leading scientists on the matter:
Canada is ignoring the science on second doses
"World Health Organization weighs in on the dosage delay strategy by Britain and Canada
A recent editorial published in the British Medical Journal makes a good case for why the Canadian government’s risky dose-delay strategy to compensate for its failure to procure COVID-19 vaccines is a bad idea. It adds to a wealth of emerging scientific data, which clearly demonstrates that elderly people who have gotten their first dose of vaccine should get their second within the recommended 21 or 28 days, not 16 weeks.
The World Health Organization also weighed in on the dosage delay strategy by Britain and Canada, “urging the vaccine doses be given 21 to 28 days apart.”
Some worry that those who are only partially immunized will be susceptible to the more dangerous variants. That is a real concern, according to Paul Bieniasz, a retrovirologist at the Rockefeller University. “The virus is going to evolve in response to antibodies, irrespective of how we administer vaccines,” he told Scientific American. “The question is: would we be accelerating that evolution by creating country-sized populations of individuals with partial immunity?”
“We know that some of these discussions about changing the dosing schedule or dose are based on a belief that changing the dose or dosing schedule can help get more vaccine to the public faster. However, making such changes that are not supported by adequate scientific evidence may ultimately be counterproductive to public health.”
It’s amazing how the Canadian government has bucked the advice of so many other health agencies and medical journals, in its attempt to mitigate the damage done by the Liberals’ failure to procure enough life-saving vaccines for the Canadian public in time."
https://financialpost.com/diane-francis/diane-francis-canada-is-ignoring-the-science-on-second-doses
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U.S. expert says Canada is missing the chance to fight the P.1 COVID-19 variant
A top U.S. health expert who was among the first to sound the alarm about the COVID-19 pandemic last year is now raising concerns about the spread of the P.1 variant in Canada, warning the country is acting too slowly.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7736765/covid-canada-variants-us/
A third of Covid-19 survivors suffer 'brain disease,' study shows
As many as one in three people infected with Covid-19 have longer term mental health or neurological symptoms, researchers reported Tuesday.
They found 34% of Covid-19 survivors received a diagnosis for a neurological or psychological condition within six months of their infection, according to the study published Tuesday in the journal Lancet Psychiatry.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/04/06/health/covid-neurological-psychological-lancet-wellness/index.html
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How BC Fumbled the Third Wave
Four experts say leaders were warned of the variant threat but misread key data and failed to respond fast enough.
After successfully battling the first wave and coming closest to mirroring Atlantic Canada’s success story with COVID-19, B.C. has fallen from grace. Besieged by variants and now breaking record case counts, B.C. has joined the ranks of some of Canada’s worst performing provinces. Why?
https://thetyee.ca/News/2021/04/07/How-BC-Fumbled-Third-Wave/
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Details here:
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/getvaccinated.html
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Our family experienced it's first covid related death this week. My wife's uncle passed away at 101 in Kansas. Born in Canada he made his life in Kansas as a pastor in a small community there. He was the family patriarch. I met him a few times and he was a very wise person. He was deceased by his 3 brothers including his elder brother Henry who flew Lancaster bombers over Germany & died in combat in WW2. It's quite a loss for my mother in law.
You may find his case interesting. He was diagnosed late last fall with covid but recovered by Christmas. Early this year he had both an initial vaccine and a booster shot. Last week he had a fall that put him in hospital with internal injuries. He developed a fever and was again diagnosed with covid. The disease progressed rapidly and he passed away yesterday morning. He was in residential care and had been for some years. No information he had one of the covid variants.
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Sorry for your loss Ralph. Condolences...
Canada’s COVID-19 case rate tops U.S. as country continues to lag in vaccinations
For the first time since the COVID-19 outbreak began, Canada’s rate of new cases of the novel coronavirus has eclipsed that of the United States
On average over the last seven days, Canada has reported 7,967.7 new cases, and the country’s daily cases have increased 82 per cent over past 14 days.
Canada saw 9,255 new coronavirus infections on Friday, marking a new all-time record for daily cases.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7750304/covid-canada-new-cases-us/
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A next-gen Army COVID vaccine you've never heard of has just begun human trials
"Scientists believe it might combat deadly variants and even future pandemics.
The three vaccines already authorized for use in the U.S. work by feeding the body genetic instructions to create the spike protein that is found on the surface of the virus. Once the body creates the protein, the immune system is alerted and begins forming antibodies. It's a safe way of triggering a similar immune response as one a person would have after contracting the actual virus.
The WRAIR vaccine skips both the instruction and creation steps, bringing the already-formed spike protein straight into the arm along with an immune-boosting adjuvant compound, quickly starting the antibody response."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gen-army-covid-vaccine-heard-begun-human-trials/story?id=76901332
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Another bump in the road... Again, the same type of blood clot issue I am currently dealing with:
Covid-19: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine
"US health authorities are calling for a pause in the use of the Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine, after reports of extremely rare blood clotting cases.
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) said six cases in 6.8 million doses had been reported and it was acting "out of an abundance of caution".
It said the clotting was called cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST).
The statement said that this type of blood clot needed a different treatment than usual.
Johnson & Johnson said it was also delaying its vaccine rollout in Europe.
The US move follows similar rare cases in the AstraZeneca vaccine, which has prompted some curbs in its use."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56733715
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Trudeau's vaccine failure drawing global scrutiny
"Justin Trudeau and his Liberal acolytes normally love it when he gets foreign media attention. Why wouldn’t they, it’s mostly been fawning for the past several years.
The cover story for Vogue, the steamy photos they printed with him and his wife in embrace, the Rolling Stone cover asking why Trudeau couldn’t be America’s president. That’s what Trudeau is used to but it isn’t what he is getting this week.
It started with a piece last Friday in the Wall Street Journal titled “Canada’s Vaccine Rollout Lags Behind as Cases Rise.” That was followed Monday by a special report aired on CNN’s The Lead with Jake Tapper which was critical of Trudeau’s handling of the pandemic.
In addition to those noted above, Trudeau’s failure of a rollout has also caught the eye of Bloomberg, Fox News, the New York Times, the Washington Post and the progressive stalwart The Atlantic with a piece titled “Canada’s Vaccine Mess.”
“Per capita vaccination numbers lagging behind those of 50 other countries, including Brazil, Chile, Turkey, and much of Europe, according to Johns Hopkins University’s immunization tracker,” the story states.
Nothing like attracting the world press for all the wrong reasons."
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeaus-vaccine-failure-drawing-global-scrutiny
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......registered on sat and got my email last night...made an appointment and got a shot of the astra zeneca from rexall...wasn't going to wait for the government site and the Moderna or phizer or risk possible shortages....more risk driving to and from work.....the wife though is going to wait....
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Chrystia Freeland's 'epiphany' that COVID-19 is an 'opportunity' — that’s pretty dark
"Freeland may have been a little careless or loose in her phrasing. The prime minister’s declaration has about it, in contrast, clear evidence of pre-thought and considered reflection. If he was serious I expect the direction of his “reimagined” Canadian economy is one where our national energy industry, the building of pipelines, and support for all the worlds directly and indirectly supported by the energy industry will have very little place.
We’ll get more than a hint of what is actually the case in just about a week, when for the first time in a long time Canadians are allowed to see the books — or at least have a peep at them. The Budget at last."
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-chrystia-freelands-epiphany-that-covid-19-is-an-opportunity-is-actually-pretty-dark
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Thank you for these regular, non-political updates lol...
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Thank you for these regular, non-political updates lol...
X2 ;D ;D
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Thank you for these regular, non-political updates lol...
The politics of COVID-19 results in pandemic winners and losers
Politics is at the core of the COVID-19 pandemic. Regardless of jurisdiction, the specific actions many governments have taken to combat the pandemic are ultimately rooted in politics, not science.
Groups, especially those whose identifies have little in common with the political elite, may sensibly question how broadly politicians canvass for options when reaching decisions that dramatically impact individual lives.
https://theconversation.com/amp/the-politics-of-covid-19-results-in-pandemic-winners-and-losers-150604
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Liberal vaccine failures could be the biggest scandal in Canadian history
"Trudeau’s made-in-Canada vaccine roll-out debacle may become the biggest scandal in Canadian history because lives are involved.
Half-baked measures may work in politics, giving bragging rights about the number of people “vaccinated”, but it doesn’t work in medicine. Studies show that the elderly and infirm don’t get the full benefits of the second dose if it is delayed, but that doesn’t matter to Trudeau who wants to disguise his government’s failure to procure vaccines.
Half-a-dose may not be better than no dose at all which may be why our cases climb to a near record of 8,590 daily this week, or four times’ higher than occurred during the summer and fall. This is even proportionally higher than America’s current daily caseload of 77,000 where unruly and mask-less governors reign in half the states.
A recent report by the Macdonald Laurier Institute also suggests that slow vaccinations have caused Canada’s death rate to surge. It cites a Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI), which has found that Canada’s nursing homes had the worst record for COVID-19 deaths among wealthy nations. “All this comes as countries with more effective vaccination rollouts are witnessing precisely the opposite trend,” it points out. “Canada’s rate of excess deaths for those aged 85 and over is now well above that of the U.S.”
https://financialpost.com/diane-francis/diane-francis-liberal-vaccine-failures-could-be-the-biggest-scandal-in-canadian-history
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X2 ;D ;D
x3 These political posts are completely unrelated to the BC Immunization Plan & Registration.
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x3 These political posts are completely unrelated to the BC Immunization Plan & Registration.
The failures of your federal government in this situation is DIRECTLY related to what does, and does not occur with the BC Immunization Plan & Registration.
Reality.
Nog
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They’re pretty useless posts really, just for personal bias.
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Trudeau's vaccine failure drawing global scrutiny
“Per capita vaccination numbers lagging behind those of 50 other countries, including Brazil, Chile, Turkey, and much of Europe, according to Johns Hopkins University’s immunization tracker,” the story states.
Nothing like attracting the world press for all the wrong reasons."
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https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeaus-vaccine-failure-drawing-global-scrutiny
Brazil? Infection rates and deaths are soaring and they are posed to have the most deaths per any country exceeding even the US. There is no social control in Brazil. No requirement to wear masks indoors, no social distancing, no restrictions on crowds etc, Pretty close to what is happening in Texas!
Vaccine doses administered for Brazil are 15 per 100 vs 24 /100 for Canada.
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/health/global-covid-vaccinations/
The Chinese CoronaVac is one of 2 vaccines in use with an astonishing effectiveness rate of 50.7% in Brazil per the Lancet. The other is Astra-Zeneca while in Canada all 3 in current use have 70% to 90% effectiveness.
I am sure we all would like to move to Brazil right now!
I got the Pfizer vaccine yesterday. Ninety percent effective within 10 days. My wife gets the Astra-Zeneca tomorrow.
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Ted Nugent tests positive for coronavirus after calling pandemic a ‘scam’
Musician Ted Nugent has tested positive for coronavirus months after he said that the virus was “not a real pandemic”.
In his Christmas message shared on social media in December, Nugent called the worldwide crisis a “scammy pandemic” and said that people who wore masks were “sheep”.
“Today is the 19th of April 2021 during clusterf*** pandemic... I was tested positive today. I got the Chinese s***.”
Describing his symptoms including a “stuffed-up head” and “body-aches”, Nugent continued: “My god, what a pain in the a**. I literally could hardly crawl out of bed the last few days… So I was officially tested positive for Covid-19 today.”
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ted-nugent-tests-positive-coronavirus-082548522.html
Remind you of anyone?
Nog
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Ted Nugent tests positive for coronavirus after calling pandemic a ‘scam’
Musician Ted Nugent has tested positive for coronavirus months after he said that the virus was “not a real pandemic”.
In his Christmas message shared on social media in December, Nugent called the worldwide crisis a “scammy pandemic” and said that people who wore masks were “sheep”.
“Today is the 19th of April 2021 during clusterf*** pandemic... I was tested positive today. I got the Chinese s***.”
Describing his symptoms including a “stuffed-up head” and “body-aches”, Nugent continued: “My god, what a pain in the a**. I literally could hardly crawl out of bed the last few days… So I was officially tested positive for Covid-19 today.”
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ted-nugent-tests-positive-coronavirus-082548522.html
Remind you of anyone?
Nog
reminds me of many...just look out in the Fraser Valley and the comments a few of the guides out there make.
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COVID-infected people arrive in B.C. from India as Trudeau ponders flight restriction
COVID-infected people continue to arrive in Vancouver from India — where mutations are out of control.
According to latest data from the B.C. Centre for Disease Control, 10 flights arrived in Vancouver from Delhi between April 6 and April 16 with infected people on board — and in some cases with several infected people on board.
During the same period, infected people also arrived in Vancouver from Amsterdam and the U.S.
Meanwhile, on Tuesday Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he was considering whether to stop incoming flights from specific countries, such as India.
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/covid-sick-people-arrive-in-b-c-from-india-as-trudeau-ponders-restriction
Maybe, just maybe if Trudeau had actually addressed this matter say over a year ago, Canada might be a whole lot better off at this point...
Nog
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As a Dual Citizen, I receive Alerts from the US Government from time to time. This one just landed:
Do not travel to Canada due to COVID-19.
Read the Department of State's COVID-19 page before you plan any international travel.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention(CDC) has issued a Level 4 Travel Health Notice for Canada due to COVID-19, indicating a very high level of COVID-19 in the country. There are restrictions in place affecting U.S. citizen entry into Canada. Visit the Embassy's COVID-19 page for more information on COVID-19 in Canada.
Read the country information page.
If you decide to travel to Canada:
· See the U.S. Embassy's web page regarding COVID-19.
· Visit the CDC's webpage on Travel and COVID-19.
· Be aware of your surroundings when traveling to tourist locations and crowded public venues.
· Follow the instructions of local authorities.
· Monitor local media for breaking events and adjust your plans based on new information.
· Enroll in the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program(STEP) to receive Alerts and make it easier to locate you in an emergency.
· Follow the Department of State on Facebook and Twitter.
· Prepare a contingency plan for emergency situations. Review the Traveler's Checklist.
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As a Dual Citizen, I receive Alerts from the US Government from time to time. This one just landed:
Do not travel to Canada due to COVID-19.
Read the Department of State's COVID-19 page before you plan any international travel.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention(CDC) has issued a Level 4 Travel Health Notice for Canada due to COVID-19, indicating a very high level of COVID-19 in the country. There are restrictions in place affecting U.S. citizen entry into Canada. Visit the Embassy's COVID-19 page for more information on COVID-19 in Canada.
Read the country information page.
If you decide to travel to Canada:
· See the U.S. Embassy's web page regarding COVID-19.
· Visit the CDC's webpage on Travel and COVID-19.
· Be aware of your surroundings when traveling to tourist locations and crowded public venues.
· Follow the instructions of local authorities.
· Monitor local media for breaking events and adjust your plans based on new information.
· Enroll in the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program(STEP) to receive Alerts and make it easier to locate you in an emergency.
· Follow the Department of State on Facebook and Twitter.
· Prepare a contingency plan for emergency situations. Review the Traveler's Checklist.
The US Department of State has just added 80% of the world's countries to the Do Not Travel list. In other news, I just heard Biden and Trudeau were talkin today about getting more vaccine to Canada - I hope they can work something out quickly.
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COVID-19: Double mutant virus first identified in India is now in B.C.
A COVID-19 variant linked to record-breaking case numbers in India has been identified in B.C.
In a prepared statement, a B.C. Ministry of Health official said that 39 cases of the double mutation known as B.1.617 had been found in the province.
Health Minister Adrian Dix said the news of the variant’s arrival was “concerning” and that the B.C. government had some issues with the implementation of the federal government’s quarantine program.
There have been at least 10 flights arrive in Vancouver from Delhi, India, since April 6 with COVID-infected people on board.
According to Bloomberg, the new variant was initially detected in India with two separate mutations and one of those mutations (L452R) is characterized in U.S studies to increase viral transmission by around 20 per cent and reduce antibody efficacy by more than 50 per cent.
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/covid-19-double-mutant-virus-first-identified-in-india-is-now-in-b-c
Related:
Ottawa consulting on stricter border measures, won't stop flights from India
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is indicating the federal government is looking at additional COVID-19 measures to protect international borders but won’t stop flights into Canada from India.
India continues to be a COVID-19 crisis point with the world’s second most populous nation reporting 295,041 new infections on Wednesday. It was the world’s highest daily rise and is stretching that country’s hospitals to breaking point.
https://cfox.com/news/7778952/ottawa-consulting-on-stricter-border-measures-wont-stop-flights-from-india/
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Collectively the MP's told Trudeau to STUFF his announced decision to NOT ban flights from India and other hot-spots. Bet the air is a little blue around that woke one today...
Canada bans flights from India, Pakistan for 30 days
The federal government is suspending incoming passenger flights from India and Pakistan for the next month as cases of COVID-19 surge in both countries.
There are additional steps coming to prevent people from travelling to Canada from India and Pakistan via other countries.
At least 32 flights from Delhi and two from Pakistan have landed in Canada in the last two weeks carrying dozens of passengers who later tested positive for COVID-19.
Just a few hours ago, MPs unanimously agreed Canada should suspend international flights from countries where COVID-19 outbreaks are raging just a few hours before the federal government is expected to announce new restrictions on incoming travel.
The House of Commons adopted a motion from the Bloc Quebecois this afternoon calling for flights carrying non-essential travellers from certain countries, such as India and Brazil, to be barred.
Deputy Chief Public Health Officer Dr. Howard Njoo said at a briefing this afternoon that ministers were looking at data about incoming flights, testing and variants of concern, including metrics that show an increase in cases coming in on flights from India.
https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/04/22/mps-canada-flights-covid-19-hot-spots-stop/
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Once again, Canadian border restrictions come only after the damage has been done
In the face of an overwhelming number of COVID-19 cases in South Asia, on Thursday Canada finally imposed a month-long ban on direct passenger flights from India and Pakistan.
Nevertheless, the 11th hour measure is tragically in keeping with a longstanding Canadian policy of keeping borders open until long after any opportunity to decisively stave off disaster has passed.
Canada is maintaining a laissez-faire attitude to its border in spite of the fact that the last 14 months have yielded dozens of examples of countries and regions who successfully used border controls to spare themselves the worst horrors of COVID-19.
Regardless, speaking to Global News on Wednesday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau justified his government’s then-refusal to restrict flights from India by saying Canada already had the “strongest measures in the world in terms of protecting our borders.”
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/once-again-canadian-border-restrictions-come-only-after-the-damage-has-been-done
Related:
'More people are catching on': Travellers using U.S.-Canada land border to avoid quarantine hotels
Walking across the border isn't new or illegal, but it does contravene non-essential travel advisories and allows travellers to avoid staying in one of the federally sanctioned quarantine hotels that can cost up to $2,000 for a three-day stay — a requirement for those arriving by air.
Peacock is not alone. Since the hotel rules came into effect on Feb. 21, nearly 20,000 people crossed the border by land (not including essential workers), according to a CBC News analysis of numbers provided by the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA).
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/border-land-crossings-1.5994627
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BC Travel Restrictions:
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/travel/current
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COVID outbreak declared at Kelowna's Sandalwood seniors home
The latest COVID-19 outbreak at Kelowna's Sandalwood Retirement Resort was reportedly started by two residents who declined to take the COVID-19 vaccine, although 95 per cent of residents chose to be immunized.
https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/331886/COVID-outbreak-declared-at-Kelowna-s-Sandalwood-seniors-home#331886
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Hunting & Fishing deemed "Non-Essential" in BC
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/sports-culture/recreation/fishing-hunting/fishing-and-hunting-covid-19-updates
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Hunting & Fishing deemed "Non-Essential" in BC
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/sports-culture/recreation/fishing-hunting/fishing-and-hunting-covid-19-updates
In Chinese culture, my grandmother would say Paper Tigger. They are simply suggestions. Sure I may be fined for leaving the imaginary boarders of my health authority but all u have to do is lie. Simple. "Asir, why ate you exercising your Chartter rights and traveling ? Work. Have a good day sir.
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I recall how in 2019 you were indignant, and called ORR, to report anglers catching pinks in the Fraser outside of the Sumas/Fraser boundary.
So I guess some laws are suggestions and some boundaries/borders are imaginary, and others are not.
I’m confused
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U.K. is 'out of pandemic status
Britain is no longer in a pandemic, experts said, as data showed the vaccination program was reducing symptomatic COVID-19 infections by up to 90 per cent.
In the first large real-world study of the impact of vaccinations, researchers found the rollout was having a major impact on both symptomatic and asymptomatic cases.
Sarah Walker, professor of medical statistics and epidemiology at Oxford and chief investigator on the Office for National Statistics COVID-19 infection survey, said Britain had “moved from a pandemic to an endemic situation”, where the virus was circulating at a low, largely controllable level.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/uk-is-out-of-pandemic-status-figures-show/ar-BB1fYUJi
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Liberal vaccine failures could be the biggest scandal in Canadian history
"Trudeau’s made-in-Canada vaccine roll-out debacle may become the biggest scandal in Canadian history because lives are involved.
Half-baked measures may work in politics, giving bragging rights about the number of people “vaccinated”, but it doesn’t work in medicine. Studies show that the elderly and infirm don’t get the full benefits of the second dose if it is delayed, but that doesn’t matter to Trudeau who wants to disguise his government’s failure to procure vaccines.
Half-a-dose may not be better than no dose at all which may be why our cases climb to a near record of 8,590 daily this week, or four times’ higher than occurred during the summer and fall. This is even proportionally higher than America’s current daily caseload of 77,000 where unruly and mask-less governors reign in half the states.
A recent report by the Macdonald Laurier Institute also suggests that slow vaccinations have caused Canada’s death rate to surge. It cites a Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI), which has found that Canada’s nursing homes had the worst record for COVID-19 deaths among wealthy nations. “All this comes as countries with more effective vaccination rollouts are witnessing precisely the opposite trend,” it points out. “Canada’s rate of excess deaths for those aged 85 and over is now well above that of the U.S.”
https://financialpost.com/diane-francis/diane-francis-liberal-vaccine-failures-could-be-the-biggest-scandal-in-canadian-history
This article doesn't tell the full story.
Canada has/had lots of vaccine on order but the suppliers either cancelled some orders, shipped those orders to countries that needed or payed more, had quality control problems which made the vaccine not useable.... Unfortunately that's how business works.
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all these articles & links are likely listed on some Conservative party distribution sheet for the consumption of members and further distribution as they see fit. All the parties do it & have for decades or more.
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Once again you assumption is in error Ralphie Ol' Chap! Nice try though...
No, Minister Hajdu, the Vitamin D conversation isn't 'fake news'
Using government data to reveal a hidden fact is not “fake and dangerous news,” being skeptical of the adversarial Chinese communists is not “propaganda,” and wondering if vitamin D may make us healthier is not “fake news,” regardless of what one self-righteous Trudeau minister believes.
Hajdu says that Canadians must trust their government.
I’ve got news for Hajdu: so-called fake news isn’t the problem. It would be easier to trust this government if it wasn’t wrong so often.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/malcolm-no-minister-hajdu-the-vitamin-d-conversation-isnt-fake-news
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Once again you assumption is in error Ralphie Ol' Chap! Nice try though...
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oh course.. and now you DENY IT! ;D
LOL
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I recall how in 2019 you were indignant, and called ORR, to report anglers catching pinks in the Fraser outside of the Sumas/Fraser boundary.
So I guess some laws are suggestions and some boundaries/borders are imaginary, and others are not.
I’m confused
Two totally different things here. The recent travel restrictions are flexible. Where as a fishing boundry marker is clear as day black and white. Not even close to a comparison. Nice try tho.
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I’ve got news for Hajdu: so-called fake news isn’t the problem. It would be easier to trust this government if it wasn’t wrong so often.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/malcolm-no-minister-hajdu-the-vitamin-d-conversation-isnt-fake-news
Wow what a Muppet. The link between Vitamin D and COVID severity is no longer just an overwhelming association (meeting Bradford Hill criteria for causality) but has been demonstrated to be causal, during two recent clinical trials. If I know this and our health minister does not......wow...just wow.
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Pfizer is testing a pill that, if successful, could become first-ever home cure for COVID-19
"Classed as a 'protease inhibitor', it has been formulated to attack the "spine" of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and stop it replicating in our nose, throats and lungs
At two anonymous Pfizer buildings, one in the U.S. and one in Belgium, a remarkable experiment is under way. Up to 60 volunteers, all clean-living adults aged between 18 and 60, are being given the first pill specifically designed to stop Covid-19.
The molecule being tested is a bespoke antiviral code-named PF-07321332. Classed as a “protease inhibitor”, it has been formulated to attack the “spine” of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and stop it replicating in our nose, throats and lungs. It was protease inhibitors that turned the tide on the spread of HIV in the UK and around the world. Now researchers hope they may be on the brink of a similar pandemic-busting breakthrough.
Pfizer is keeping schtum about the detail of the lab tests it has completed but says it has demonstrated “potent in vitro antiviral activity against SARS-CoV-2”, as well as activity against other coronaviruses, raising the prospect of a cure for the common cold as well as future pandemic threats."
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/pfizer-is-testing-a-pill-that-if-successful-could-become-first-ever-home-cure-for-covid-19
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Two totally different things here. The recent travel restrictions are flexible. Where as a fishing boundry marker is clear as day black and white. Not even close to a comparison. Nice try tho.
It was a good try. Fishing boundaries and health authority boundaries are both constructs and don't exist IRL. The Sumas/Fraser boundary is demarkated by signs because it is relatively short. Health authority boundaries are much longer and harder to sign, but still exist. It seems incongruent to insist on compliance with fishing boundaries and laws but be willing to overlook laws pertaining to health boundaries.
In the past, you've indicated your willingness to overlook the laws when it suits you. Last year, you said that you would retain clipped coho without an opening because your license dollars paid for it.
To advocate lying so you can travel for recreation during a pandemic speaks volumes about your character and your sense of entitlement.
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Wow what a Muppet. The link between Vitamin D and COVID severity is no longer just an overwhelming association (meeting Bradford Hill criteria for causality) but has been demonstrated to be causal, during two recent clinical trials. If I know this and our health minister does not......wow...just wow.
I'm not looking for an argument on this but...the Toronto Sun is known to publish pseudo-science. It's not hard to find reliable support for what Hadju says on this topic.
The Truth about Vitamin D and COVID-19: The most important fact that is often overlooked is that these supplements have been studied and do not work.
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health/truth-about-vitamin-d-and-covid-19
High dose of vitamin D fails to improve condition of moderate to severe COVID-19 patients
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-04-high-dose-vitamin-d-condition.html
Association of Vitamin D Status with COVID-19 Incidence and Outcomes, and Health Equity Considerations
While earlier studies have shown that vitamin D supplementation has a modest impact on the prevention of acute respiratory tract infection, the role of vitamin D to reduce Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) incidence and severity remains unknown.
Observational studies largely show that lower vitamin D levels are associated with a greater risk of COVID-19 infection and mortality. However, as many studies did not account for importan confounders such as comorbidities and socioeconomic status, there is a high risk that there areo ther reasons for the finding of greater COVID-19 risk.
Randomized controlled trials (RCT) of vitamin D for treatment of COVID-19 have not consistently shown a benefit in preventing COVID-19 outcomes such as severe infection or mortality. RCTs of vitamin D for prevention of COVID-19 are currently underway.
Racialized individuals bear disproportionate COVID-19 impacts related to inequities in structural determinants of health and the experience of discrimination. The link between vitamin D statusand COVID-19 incidence and severity remains uncertain in all patient populations including ethno-racial communities.
Ontarians are advised to follow established Canadian recommendations for vitamin D intake and supplementation for general bone health (those over the age of 50 years are recommended to receive 800 to 2000 international units (IU) of vitamin D supplementation per day).
https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/he/2021/02/covid-19-rapid-review-vitamin-d.pdf?la=en
The Bradford Hill criteria are also not universally accepted as proof of casuality by some and at best are considered "useful guidelines". (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_Hill_criteri
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No argument here Ralph.
Just hoping to improve peoples odds and health.
Many studies reference the absence of successful clinical trial and yet:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7456194/
Of 50 patients treated with calcifediol, one required admission to the ICU (2%), while of 26 untreated patients, 13 required admission (50 %) p value X2 Fischer test p < 0.001. Univariate Risk Estimate Odds Ratio for ICU in patients with Calcifediol treatment versus without Calcifediol treatment: 0.02 (95 %CI 0.002−0.17). Multivariate Risk Estimate Odds Ratio for ICU in patients with Calcifediol treatment vs Without Calcifediol treatment ICU (adjusting by Hypertension and T2DM): 0.03 (95 %CI: 0.003-0.25). Of the patients treated with calcifediol, none died, and all were discharged, without complications. The 13 patients not treated with calcifediol, who were not admitted to the ICU, were discharged. Of the 13 patients admitted to the ICU, two died and the remaining 11 were discharged.
A small data set, but the results were very very significant and supported by huge numbers of studies showing a strong association as per Bradford Hill. If I got COVID and my symptom were severe, I would bet on it. As for the Canadian recommendation, that is the level that is sufficient to eliminate rickets and does not factor in other uses or sinks for Vitamin D.
I thinks its worth looking into and considering, especially as most of us a highly deficient at this time of year.
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and how is this different from general experience. The current ICU # in BC 156 of 10,005 active cases...that's about 1.5%, current hospitalized is 456. (4.6%). Little or no difference without considering statistical significance @ 95% to 99%.
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The Pfizer protease inhibitor looks very interesting and might just work.
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COVID-19 vaccine certificates ‘to be expected’ as part of pandemic, Trudeau says
While there is no definitive answer on whether Canada will mandate COVID-19 vaccination certificates, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says they are "naturally to be expected" as part of the pandemic.
As was the case pre-pandemic, certificates of vaccination are a part of international travel to certain regions and are naturally to be expected when it comes to this pandemic and the coronavirus," Trudeau said on Tuesday.
"How we actually roll that out in alignment with partners and allies around the world is something that we're working on right now to co-ordinate."
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/video/covid-19-vaccine-certificates-to-be-expected-as-part-of-pandemic-trudeau-says/ar-BB1g6L3L
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Some of you are so blind.
Vaccine passports for international and DOMESTIC travel are coming. The big Vaccine manufacturers have already stated that this will be an annual thing. You'll need two or three shots per year. It's OK tho. It's all aboit protecting others right ?when will you morons realize that this was all planned from the beginning. Its the planned depopulation of the human race. If you don't see that now, you'll soon see it in the years to come. You can guarantee that !
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Some of you are so blind.
Vaccine passports for international and DOMESTIC travel are coming. The big Vaccine manufacturers have already stated that this will be an annual thing. You'll need two or three shots per year. It's OK tho. It's all aboit protecting others right ?when will you morons realize that this was all planned from the beginning. Its the planned depopulation of the human race. If you don't see that now, you'll soon see it in the years to come. You can guarantee that !
Is that what you’re going with? Read what you wrote on a public forum and seek help.
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Is that what you’re going with? Read what you wrote on a public forum and seek help.
well it's good for a laugh!
What's new about vaccine passports or certificates etc. in the 60s and early 70s vaccines for polio, diptheria, smallpox, tetanus, at school were a near annual event in the 60s and 70s. First time I went to Mexico I got vaccines for hep a, b, c plus "certificates". Was a time that a person had to get vaccines if they traveled abroad to certain countries.About a dozen years ago I experienced the joy of a false positive diagnosis for cancer and had my spleen and other things removed. I had a suite a vaccines for that. If you see an MD or get an Rx in BC all your recent medical records or online through the Ministry of health and available to any pharmacist, MD or Emerg Nurse in the Province. This is probably true for all of Canada. So what's the big deal? Most of you will be getting covid vaccines and boostesr on a regular basis for the foreseeable future. People who decline may experience some issues when it comes to travel, renting or getting some types of employment. Covid has changed the world big time. We are just starting to see how.
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Some of you are so blind.
Vaccine passports for international and DOMESTIC travel are coming. The big Vaccine manufacturers have already stated that this will be an annual thing. You'll need two or three shots per year. It's OK tho. It's all aboit protecting others right ?when will you morons realize that this was all planned from the beginning. Its the planned depopulation of the human race. If you don't see that now, you'll soon see it in the years to come. You can guarantee that !
Wow,
If you want to see a intelligent and respectable human being look in the mirror. You're the blind one.
Think about your comments. You really think the drug companies want to depopulate the human race. Yeah, let's kill all the old people. Well that hasn't turned out to good but now young people are dying. Doctors and nurses are exhausted pleading for people to do the right thing and you spew off with your uneducated crap.
I wasn't going to get the vaccine because of my current health issues but changed my mind a few weeks ago. I have a responsibility to my grand children, family, friends and everyone around me.
I'm trusting that the doctors and science are right. Even though we don't the effects of the vaccines long term I'm willing to live with that.
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I see someone changed my wording from moron to" intelligent and respected human being look in the mirror".
Rod, how can someone go into another persons post and change the wording on your system?
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HiQe_and_Fish
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Either Hike and Fish is trolling or he sincerely believes what he wrote. In either case, nothing can be said here that will change that, and there's no sense getting triggered and having a war of words on an anonymous public internet forum.
Having said that, Hike and Fish, I am curious about your position. I'd be interested to read any source material that you can link me to.,
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B.C.’s COVID-19 road checks won’t require travel documents
"Regional travel ban working voluntarily, minister says
B.C. is beginning enforcement checks of its COVID-19 non-essential travel restrictions, with police checking highway and ferry routes in and out of the Lower Mainland and an emphasis on education, rather than assessing fines.
Road checks will focus on Highway 1 out of Hope to the three B.C. Interior routes, and ferry routes to Vancouver Island. Beyond that, the public health advisory to stay local within the three areas is in effect, and it’s working on a voluntary basis, Farnworth said. The regional travel order continues to May 25."
https://www.missioncityrecord.com/news/b-c-s-covid-19-road-checks-wont-require-travel-documents/#
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Either Hike and Fish is trolling or he sincerely believes what he wrote. In either case, nothing can be said here that will change that, and there's no sense getting triggered and having a war of words on an anonymous public internet forum.
Having said that, Hike and Fish, I am curious about your position. I'd be interested to read any source material that you can link me to.,
the only truly contentious item written was it is a conspiracy.
Please exchange such info by PM if you really want to read it. I'll take a pass if only to avoid my IP being linked to such nonsense.
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the only truly contentious item written was it is a conspiracy.
Please exchange such info by PM if you really want to read it. I'll take a pass if only to avoid my IP being linked to such nonsense.
Right, you don't want your IP linked to nonsense. I hear they have a special database for that! ;D 8) ::)
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Right, you don't want your IP linked to nonsense. I hear they have a special database for that! ;D 8) ::)
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Right, you don't want your IP linked to nonsense. I hear they have a special database for that! ;D 8) ::)
Gee sunshine where do you think IPs are stored if not in a database? You don't think marketers, spammers and scammers etc can't track what sites you visit via your IP?
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I see someone changed my wording from moron to" intelligent and respected human being look in the mirror".
Rod, how can someone go into another persons post and change the wording on your system?
This forum platform allows mods to set a list of banned words. There's also a fun option to have the system automatically switch banned words for other words of the mods' choosing. I used to mod a gaming forum and I added "Blood_Orange" to the list of banned words and have it automatically replaced with "the Blood_Orange". I also added "the Blood_Orange" as a second string of banned words and set the replacement to "Blood_Orange".
After that, anyone who talked about me had it come up as something like "...was playing a match when the Blood_Orange came in and got three kills in a row." If they noticed the change and tried to talk about the extra "the" in front of my name, the system would remove the extra "the" so they wound up looking a little crazy ::)
All this to say that nobody is actively editing your posts. The system did it automatically because the M-word is on a mod-curated list of banned words for this forum.
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Thx for the explanation but why did the system not take moron out of Hike/Fish post? He originally posted morons if you read his post a few above mine.
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A local biotech company has a very promising nasal spray of Nitric Oxide for treating and preventing Covid.
https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/sanotize-nasal-spray-reduces-covid-19-viral-load-uk-clinical-trail/
A self-administered nitric oxide nasal spray (NONS) made by Vancouver-based biotech firm SaNOtize has been found to dramatically reduce Covid-19 viral load in infected patients after completing early-stage clinical trials in Canada and, most recently, the UK.
And... New Zealand & Israel climb aboard:
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210322005226/en/Israel-and-New-Zealand-Permit-Sale-of-SaNOtize%E2%80%99s-Breakthrough-Anti-Viral-Nasal-Spray
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Thx for the explanation but why did the system not take moron out of Hike/Fish post? He originally posted morons if you read his post a few above mine.
You probably used a different word than "moron" and misremembered.
To test, reply to a post then type a bunch of offensive words. Hit "Preview" and you'll see which words get changed and which don't. Don't hit "Post" though! :P
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You probably used a different word than "moron" and misremembered.
To test, reply to a post then type a bunch of offensive words. Hit "Preview" and you'll see which words get changed and which don't. Don't hit "Post" though! :P
It doesn't matter to me but thx again for the explanation.
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To test, reply to a post then type a bunch of offensive words. Hit "Preview" and you'll see which words get changed and which don't. Don't hit "Post" though! :P
Oh that's quite fun thanks ;D
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If anyone finds the word that gets changed to "intelligent and respected human being" let me know. I couldn't figure it out and it's bugging me ::)
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Is it obvious to only me, and not you intelligent and respectable people, that Hike and Fish is Rodney’s throw away account and alternate personna. Hence why he can get away with posting “that word” and get away with it? Wake up, sheeple!
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COVID-19 vaccine maker Providence says it's leaving Canada after calls for more federal support go unanswered
"I can't tell you how much this pains me. The reality is, I can do more good for the world outside of Canada than I can in."
The move is a setback for the federal government's efforts to nurture a domestic biotechnology industry. The COVID-19 crisis has exposed how being entirely dependent on foreign sources for much-needed products like vaccines makes Canada vulnerable.
Providence, which was developing mRNA cancer vaccines before the COVID-19 crisis hit, came forward with promising data about its novel coronavirus product last March, only weeks after BioNTech and Moderna produced similarly encouraging early results for their mRNA-based vaccines.
Sorenson claimed the company's pre-clinical trial results were "equivalent or better than these big companies that are now saving the world."
Last year, the small Canadian firm — which developed its product with researchers at the Sunnybrook Research Institute in Toronto — asked the federal government for a loan to help launch clinical trials in humans and stand-up a manufacturing site in Canada. Those requests were largely ignored...
"I never asked for a single handout. All I've asked for is a deposit on vaccines or a non-interest loan," Sorenson said.
"People have said to me so many times and I refused to acknowledge it, but the truth is, if Providence was located in Quebec we wouldn't be having this conversation," Sorenson said.
"Canada's broken. The federal government doesn't see past Ontario heading west."
Based on the advice of the vaccine task force, federal officials have made a $173 million commitment to help Quebec City-based Medicago produce its version of a COVID-19 vaccine.
One member of the task force, Gary Kobinger — who helped develop a successful Ebola vaccine with a team in Winnipeg — resigned last fall amid concerns about the task force's transparency and its ties to the pharmaceutical industry.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/providence-therapeutics-pulling-out-canada-1.6009068
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Denmark ditches J&J COVID-19 shots from vaccination programme
COPENHAGEN (Reuters) - Denmark on Monday became the first country to exclude Johnson & Johnson's COVID-19 shots from its vaccination programme over a potential link to a rare but serious form of blood clot.
The move comes after the Nordic country last month stopped using AstraZeneca's vaccine altogether citing similar concerns.
The country's health authority said in a statement it had found that "the benefits of using the COVID-19 vaccine from Johnson & Johnson do not outweigh the risk of causing the possible adverse effect in those who receive the vaccine".
https://news.yahoo.com/denmark-excludes-j-j-shot-132426266.html
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Either Hike and Fish is trolling or he sincerely believes what he wrote. In either case, nothing can be said here that will change that, and there's no sense getting triggered and having a war of words on an anonymous public internet forum.
Having said that, Hike and Fish, I am curious about your position. I'd be interested to read any source material that you can link me to.,
My position is that this was all planned. We are all loving thru the planned collapse of life as we know it. When you dive into the internal documents ( that are public) of major global policy making organizations, they talk about a quick population decline before the year 2030. We are living it now. You can laugh all you want. I could care less. I don't want it to be true but it is. You can look the other way or believe the news they want you to see but these NGO's talk aboit how bad humans are and how we need a post human future. That's what I believe because they talk about it. You'll soon see. Normally I'd say I'm right but it's not me who is right, it's in their own documents. Life will never go back to the way it was before. That's a myth. Its always been a lie. Everytime they tell yoi that it's a lie
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. When you dive into the internal documents ( that are public) of major global policy making organizations, they talk about a quick population decline before the year 2030. We are living it now.
True but it has nothing to do with Covid and all of this was known and public before the pandemic. Simple fact is the birth rate of most countries is at or below the level needed to sustain their populations art current level. For example, some have predicted that China's population will drop to about half it's current level by the end of the century.
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True but it has nothing to do with Covid and all of this was known and public before the pandemic. Simple fact is the birth rate of most countries is at or below the level needed to sustain their populations art current level. For example, some have predicted that China's population will drop to about half it's current level by the end of the century.
It has everything to do with COVID. COVID is just the excuse for it all. It's no different than the mob shaking down businesses. The cause the problem, the public responds and they present the solution. I don't disagree with you that global populations are on the decline. I agree. They have been, by design.
I truly believe this is the beginning of the end as we currently know it. I don't want to argue or try to win others over because I know we all have our options and it's almost impossible to convince others unless we speak from a podium or wear a pink sweater and lecture fthe population from the television screen but I will finish with this. Mid last year there was a leaked document that ( supposedly ) came from the PMO. That document was quickly debunked by many "FACT" Checking websites. Well, so far everything in that document has come true down to the dates and events that followed. It mentioned transitioning Canadians to a UBI system after major supply chain breakdowns in Q3 2021, Military checkpoints and a surrender of all property ownership. Like I said before, so far its all come to pass. It'll sure be interesting if this "Fake" document is really true or not. Interesting fact, in the lead up to Q3 2021 when the supposed crash begins, Liberal delegates to the party's policy convention have overwhelmingly endorsed a resolution calling for the establishment of a universal basic income (UBI) in Canada. This made news headlines on April 10th this year.
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Happy to have received my first dose of AZ a week ago today. Boy did it knock me on the my butt for a day with a headache and chills, but on the following day I felt totally normal.
Almost everyone in my immediately and extended family and close friends have received their first as well. I think we're nearing a tipping point where vaccinations continue to rise and new cases / community transmission is starting to fall. Hopefully we have a strong May on the vaccination front and can continue that progress. Fingers crossed!
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Lives are at risk because the Liberals refuse to follow the science
And in recent days, numerous health experts have spoken out about the risks of delaying doses.
“The second dose of mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) induces a level of virus neutralizing antibodies about 10-fold greater than the first dose,” Dr. Paul Offit, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania and a member of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s vaccine advisory panel, told the New York Times. “Also, the second dose induces cellular immunity, which predicts not only longer protection, but better protection against variant strains.”
Britain is the only other country to cover up its procurement failures by delaying doses (in its case, by 12 weeks), and a recent study out of Imperial College London shows that having only one dose leaves people “vulnerable” to the variants.
“One dose in terms of all of our measurable immune parameters of (the Pfizer vaccine) really does look very, very feeble and all the more so against variants,” said Prof. Danny Altmann, the study’s co-author. “And yet whatever the level of immunity that it’s induced, it’s certainly been enough to have had some impact. But it’s really very, very weak compared to two doses.”
Given the mounting evidence, even the pharmaceutical companies are starting to speak out about the improper use of their products. Cole Pinnow, the CEO of Pfizer Canada, said in a recent interview that Canada’s decision to allow a 16-week spread between first and second doses — rather than the recommended three weeks — is not based on science.
https://financialpost.com/diane-francis/diane-francis-lives-are-at-risk-because-the-liberals-refuse-to-follow-the-science
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It has everything to do with COVID. COVID is just the excuse for it all...
this is a classic "fake news" disinformation gimmick, take a known theory or prediction based on real world data and stick another factor , like covid on to a conspiracy theory fallacy to give a chimera of credibility.
As I said the factors behind the drop in birth rates that have been spreading around the world have been well known for 2 generations. Covid has nothing to do with it. Covid like almost all pandemics has little or no possibility of making a dent in population size, that's another fallacy, that disease curbs population growth.
Here's another to show just how preposterous the claim covid will reduce the population of the world.
Most people who have children do so before they are 40 and certainly before they are 45. A disease that causes mortality mostly among people who are over that age will not have any impact on population in the long term. To be effective at reducing population the disease would have to kill people of child bearing age.
Covid related deaths are overwhelming among people aged 45 and up - to the tune of 95% of mortality is among those over 45 and nearly 7% of covid mortality is among people over 65. What's more about 2/3 rds of covid deaths are male. To reduce population the disease would have to kill women of child bearing age not old men.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02483-2
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What about the internal document Ralph? 😆 how do you explain that?? 😆😆
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What about the internal document Ralph? 😆 how do you explain that?? 😆😆
I think its a sad day for human kind when someone blatantly ignores internal government documents. I guess because it didn't make mainstream news it must have been fake. Even tho everything in that document has come to pass, it's still not real. Oh I pray for your soul
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I got my shot 18 days ago. Was a bit nervous, sure, but deep down I trust the science and I also trust the math that 1 in a million chance of blood clots is better than a 1 in 500 chance of dying of COVID. Or getting some form of long COVID and suffering for months. There's a lot to be anxious about these days and it's okay to be worried about the new vaccines but those feelings shouldn't stop you from making the logical choice.
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I think its a sad day for human kind when someone blatantly ignores internal government documents. I guess because it didn't make mainstream news it must have been fake. Even tho everything in that document has come to pass, it's still not real. Oh I pray for your soul
Let’s see these internal documents, then. Sounds like you have the scoop on some juicy Tom Clancy material here. Don’t leave us hanging.
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"supposedly" they came from the PMO ....
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supposedly leaked to US based osteopath Rashid Buttar ( a known conspiracy theory and vaccine hesitancy advocate) by a woman named Denise who has all the inside plan to create a Totalitarian state in Canada.
Hey my sister in law is named Denise, she lives in Ontario, I'll ask her about this!
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-canada-idUSKBN27C344
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid_Buttar
Rashid Ali Buttar is an American osteopathic physician from Charlotte, North Carolina, also known as a conspiracy theory and vaccine hesitancy proponent. He is known for his controversial use of chelation therapy for numerous conditions, including autism and cancer.
numerous fact checks by various organizations say this is fake. Many of Buttar's other claims - such as that getting a flu vaccine increases risk of a positive Covid test have also been found to be fake or false.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/flu-vaccine-covid-buttar/
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Well, so far everything in that document has come true down to the dates and events that followed. It mentioned transitioning Canadians to a UBI system after major supply chain breakdowns in Q3 2021, Military checkpoints and a surrender of all property ownership. Like I said before, so far its all come to pass. It'll sure be interesting if this "Fake" document is really true or not.
Almost spit my coffee out on this line.."It'll sure be interesting if this "Fake" document is really true or not"....?!?!? hahahahah..
On top of all your crackpot views and notions based on supposed leaked doc's .. you 'pray for our souls' like some deranged religious zealot.
blah blah blah .... dude ... go play with your boat
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Almost spit my coffee out on this line.."It'll sure be interesting if this "Fake" document is really true or not"....?!?!? hahahahah..
On top of all your crackpot views and notions based on supposed leaked doc's .. you 'pray for our souls' like some deranged religious zealot.
blah blah blah .... dude ... go play with your boat
If you saw the document, you'd hold your coffee down.
On the vaccines, I'll gladly get my shot after 3 to 5 years of long term data. These vaccines were tested over the course of months then released to the public. There literally was no long term testing ( that we know of ). Also note that these vaccines are NOT fully authorized for use around the world. Theyre approved ( in the USA for example ) for Emergency Use Authorization. Emergency Use Authorization is a completey different process. I am not against vaccines but I will wait and see before I get mine. Call me a crazy crackpot but I really don't think ots crazy to demand long term data before putting that in my body. There was a time when doctors recommended cigarettes to patients. Let's us not forget Johnson & Johnson and baby powder. They knowingly knew their product was harmful for decades and did nothing about it killing people. They just recently settled a multi billion dollar lawsuit. Now with the vaccines, these companies have immunity when it comes to lawsuit protection. Doesn't that matter to any of you ? Doesn't that worry you just a tad ? Oh but hey, I'm a crazy crackpot for not trusting the pharmaceutical companies and our government. Oh, OK. I'm crazy then.
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guy complains about a vaccines development, proceeds to take a pill from the same company to make his penis hard.
what a world we live in.
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guy complains about a vaccines development, proceeds to take a pill from the same company to make his penis hard.
what a world we live in.
You need help.
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No one is making anyone get a vaccine. Vaccines or inoculations in various forms have been used for close to 300 years or even more with minimal risk. Even the current blood clot issues are very rare and only linked to A_Z in a limited way. They have done more to eliminate death and harm from disease than anything medial science has done other than public hygiene.
I don't think Banx's comments were specially directed at you but it is ironic that some people reject vaccine use but are more than willingly to use other medical technologies that are more about marketing and less about public good.
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I don't think Banx's comments were specially directed at you but it is ironic that some people reject vaccine use but are more than willingly to use other medical technologies that are more about marketing and less about public good.
Nevermind the little blue pills lol... most of us have no problem going to Micky D, or purchasing any products from Superstore without questioning the ingredients and their risks. 😆
Does the blue pill really work? 😆
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So, what document?
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No one is making anyone get a vaccine. Vaccines or inoculations in various forms have been used for close to 300 years or even more with minimal risk. Even the current blood clot issues are very rare and only linked to A_Z in a limited way. They have done more to eliminate death and harm from disease than anything medial science has done other than public hygiene.
I don't think Banx's comments were specially directed at you but it is ironic that some people reject vaccine use but are more than willingly to use other medical technologies that are more about marketing and less about public good.
I guess I jave to repeat myself since most people just don't listen. I am NOT against vaccines. Never have been. I'm vaccinated against things, my children are vaccinated. My issue is with the new experimental mRNA vaccines. I certainly don't think it's too much to ask. All I ask for is long term data. I know it's my choice but soon it won't be. I know that the BCTF was quoted in the Vancouver Sun a few days ago saying "I hope the plans include going to school sites to start vaccinating,”. I believe it is dangerous to inject children with a mRNA technology withoit long term data. I do believe that hey, if you're in your 70's and you want protection now, then go for it. But for those of us that have many more years of life ( especially children ), this technology should be avoided till long term data is available. Soon weather its next year or the year after these vaccines will be mandatory for children. Its not right.
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Nevermind the little blue pills lol... most of us have no problem going to Micky D, or purchasing any products from Superstore without questioning the ingredients and their risks. 😆
Does the blue pill really work? 😆
Speak for yourself pal. Some of us actually read ingredients on a box. Some of us don't put fast food poison in out bodies.
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B.C. RCMP reveals locations of COVID-19 travel checkpoints
https://globalnews.ca/news/7837695/bc-covid-road-check-locations/amp/
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What new mRNA technology?
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html
mRNA Vaccines Are New, But Not Unknown
Researchers have been studying and working with mRNA vaccines for decades. Interest has grown in these vaccines because they can be developed in a laboratory using readily available materials. This means the process can be standardized and scaled up, making vaccine development faster than traditional methods of making vaccines.
mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). As soon as the necessary information about the virus that causes COVID-19 was available, scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine.
Future mRNA vaccine technology may allow for one vaccine to provide protection for multiple diseases, thus decreasing the number of shots needed for protection against common vaccine-preventable diseases.
Beyond vaccines, cancer research has used mRNA to trigger the immune system to target specific cancer cells.
The pfizer and moderna vaccines are mRNA vaccines while Astrazeneca, Jhonson and Johnson. the Sputnik and various Sino vaccines are older style viral vector vaccines
Viral vector-based vaccines, such as those developed by AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson, use a harmless virus, or adenovirus, as a delivery system to trigger the immune system to create antibodies to fight off an infection by SARS-CoV-2, which is the virus that causes COVID-19.
The adenovirus is not SARS-CoV-2 itself, but rather a different, harmless virus that has been manipulated so it’s unable to replicate and cause illness.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/what-is-the-difference-between-mrna-and-viral-vector-based-vaccines-1.5413806
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The biggest difference between the mRNA type and the viral vector type is how the genetic code for the spike protein is delivered.
The adenovirus injects DNA into cells, which is then transcribed in to RNA, which is then translated in to protein by the normal cellular process. The protein is what causes the immune response, giving us immunity.
The mRNA type vaccines are delivered with nano sized lipid spheres, very much like soap bubbles, which simply merge with the cell membrane. The mRNA is then immediately translated in to protein. This technology cuts out quite a few steps. The mRNA itself is quite unstable (hence the need for -80 C freezers) and doesn't last very long in the cell. It also never goes in to the nucleus so there is no way it can alter the DNA of the cell.
Quite the elegant technology, and in the real world, with millions of doses administered, there have been zero safety issues.
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Quite the elegant technology, and in the real world, with millions of doses administered, there have been zero safety issues.
Not true.
No real issues tied directly to the vaccine because it's almost impossible to pin point. People HAVE died immediately after or days after the first dose. Not to mention the people who suffered many other major side effects. But hey, no way to tell if the vaccine caused issues. Oh, there was a 15 year old boy in Colorado that suffered a heart attack a day after the vaccine.
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I'm sure if you searched for it you would find a huge number of cases where people died the day before they were supposed to be vaccinated. But you wont look that up because all you want is to confirm your own personal beliefs.
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Study: Single Pfizer dose only 30% effective against U.K. variant so spacing is riskier
The study was published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine
https://calgarysun.com/news/study-single-pfizer-dose-only-30-effective-against-u-k-variant-so-spacing-is-riskier/wcm/58757924-9306-4a37-848a-d74fc47e6976
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No real issues tied directly to the vaccine because it's almost impossible to pin point. People HAVE died immediately after or days after the first dose. Not to mention the people who suffered many other major side effects. But hey, no way to tell if the vaccine caused issues. Oh, there was a 15 year old boy in Colorado that suffered a heart attack a day after the vaccine.
not sure how that happened since the vaccine hasn't been in general use with people under the age of 16 in the US and is not planned to take place until later this month. Trials have found no serious side effects.
More fake news?
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/31/health/pfizer-biontech-vaccine-adolescents.html
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Yes, Nog, it's pretty obvious 2 shots are better then 1, but given limited supply it's better to have 100 people with 70% chance of immunity then 50 people with 90% and 50 with none.
Moderna is trialing a modified mRNA that specifically targets the variants. They are even talking about a third shot being better then just 2.
If we could vaccinate the whole world right now, there would be far less chance of new variants spreading but, again, limited supply.
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Ok. You all changed my mind. I'll sign up and get the shot. I'll be a good citizen and do my part. A vaccine that has been tested on the public for less than a year ? Sounds safe to me ! Shoot me up now !
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Good for you! Until your last post I really didn't think your mind could change, no matter how many facts were presented.
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Well, since we are talking facts, here are some for ya to consider:
* Moderna has been around for a decade and they have never had a vaccine approved for use by the US FDA
* The 'vaccines' that are being deployed are experimental trial vaccines (which is running until 2023) which have been approved for emergency use only
* Vaccine development normally takes between 5 and 10 years
* Covid vaccines skipped the animal testing phase, which is where long term effects are studied
* Those who have been fully (or partially) vaccinated are still getting covid, can still pass it along to others and some have died
* Vaccine recipients are having severe reactions up to and including death
* NACI has stated that their preferred vaccines are Pfizer and Moderna, and to wait for those if you can...The gov't retorts with all vaccines are safe and they urge you take the first one offered to you
* The survival rate if one does get covid, even if you happen to be in the most vulnerable demographic (80 plus years old with multiple co-morbities) averages out to around 99 percent
* Only 2.5 percent of 'covid caused deaths' in BC/AB can be attributed solely to covid
* Bonnie Henry implemented a mask mandate on the citizens of BC in November 2020 due to pressure received from the retail market, not because 'the science' indicated to do so
* US CDC released a study indicating that masks decreased covid transmission rates by a WHOPPING 1.8 percent (btw the study also stated that indoor dining in restaurants increased covid transmission rates by a whopping 1.6 percent)
* People die, on average 107 in BC, 780 across the nation and globally 150,000 people die each day, yet when two people die with covid in BC, Bonnie says shes sorry to those who have lost loved one to covid. What about the families of the other 105?
* The MSM has been bought by the government (covid bail out packages)
* Shockingly, the MSM lies
* Shockingly, your government lies to its citizens...the mighty PM has been convicted of multiple ethics violations
* Horgan called an early election to capitalize on an opportunity to get a majority government during a deadly pandemic (and it worked)
* Experts in Canada are now saying that even with vaccination herd immunity won't be achieved and that Canadians are going to have to learn to live with covid
* If you turned off your TV, phone and there wasn't a mask mandate in indoor public places, the average citizen wouldn't know that there was a pandemic
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None of that crap is facts, it's hearsay.
You better tell the CDC that the Moderna vaccine is not approved for use:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Moderna.html
Moderna was founded in 2010 has over 240 international patents and has a capitalized value of 5.25 billion US and no debt on it's books
https://www.modernatx.com/about-us/moderna-facts
https://www.modernatx.com/about-us/modernas-key-milestones-and-advancements
All the PHOs recommended the use of face masks at about the same time
animal testing always precede human trials
severe reactions are known with all vaccines and are usually associated with allergic reactions. That's why it's recommended to wait at the site after a flu shot for example
The science behind face masks:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
the science supports using masks, with recent studies suggesting that they could save lives in different ways: research shows that they cut down the chances of both transmitting and catching the coronavirus, and some studies hint that masks might reduce the severity of infection if people do contract the disease.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
Both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the World Health Organization now recommend cloth masks for the general public... health experts say the evidence is clear that masks can help prevent the spread of COVID-19 and that the more people wearing masks, the better.
the strongest evidence in favor of masks come from studies of real-world scenarios. “The most important thing are the epidemiologic data,” said Rutherford. Because it would be unethical to assign people to not wear a mask during a pandemic, the epidemiological evidence has come from so-called “experiments of nature.”
A recent study published in Health Affairs, for example, compared the COVID-19 growth rate before and after mask mandates in 15 states and the District of Columbia. It found that mask mandates led to a slowdown in daily COVID-19 growth rate, which became more apparent over time. The first five days after a mandate, the daily growth rate slowed by 0.9 percentage-points [per day] compared to the five days prior to the mandate; at three weeks, the daily growth rate had slowed by 2 percentage-points.
Two compelling case reports also suggest that masks can prevent transmission in high-risk scenarios, said Chin-Hong and Rutherford. In one case, a man flew from China to Toronto and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. He had a dry cough and wore a mask on the flight, and all 25 people closest to him on the flight tested negative for COVID-19. In another case, in late May, two hair stylists in Missouri had close contact with 140 clients while sick with COVID-19. Everyone wore a mask and none of the clients tested positive.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html
Human Studies of Masking and SARS-CoV-2 Transmission
Data regarding the “real-world” effectiveness of community masking are limited to observational and epidemiological studies.
An investigation of a high-exposure event, in which 2 symptomatically ill hair stylists interacted for an average of 15 minutes with each of 139 clients during an 8-day period, found that none of the 67 clients who subsequently consented to an interview and testing developed infection. The stylists and all clients universally wore masks in the salon as required by local ordinance and company policy at the time.36
In a study of 124 Beijing households with > 1 laboratory-confirmed case of SARS-CoV-2 infection, mask use by the index patient and family contacts before the index patient developed symptoms reduced secondary transmission within the households by 79%.
A retrospective case-control study from Thailand documented that, among more than 1,000 persons interviewed as part of contact tracing investigations, those who reported having always worn a mask during high-risk exposures experienced a greater than 70% reduced risk of acquiring infection compared with persons who did not wear masks under these circumstances.
A study of an outbreak aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, an environment notable for congregate living quarters and close working environments, found that use of face coverings on-board was associated with a 70% reduced risk.
Investigations involving infected passengers aboard flights longer than 10 hours strongly suggest that masking prevented in-flight transmissions, as demonstrated by the absence of infection developing in other passengers and crew in the 14 days following exposure.
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Well, since we are talking facts, here are some for ya to consider:
* Moderna has been around for a decade and they have never had a vaccine approved for use by the US FDA
* The 'vaccines' that are being deployed are experimental trial vaccines (which is running until 2023) which have been approved for emergency use only
* Vaccine development normally takes between 5 and 10 years
* Covid vaccines skipped the animal testing phase, which is where long term effects are studied
* Those who have been fully (or partially) vaccinated are still getting covid, can still pass it along to others and some have died
* Vaccine recipients are having severe reactions up to and including death
* NACI has stated that their preferred vaccines are Pfizer and Moderna, and to wait for those if you can...The gov't retorts with all vaccines are safe and they urge you take the first one offered to you
* The survival rate if one does get covid, even if you happen to be in the most vulnerable demographic (80 plus years old with multiple co-morbities) averages out to around 99 percent
* Only 2.5 percent of 'covid caused deaths' in BC/AB can be attributed solely to covid
* Bonnie Henry implemented a mask mandate on the citizens of BC in November 2020 due to pressure received from the retail market, not because 'the science' indicated to do so
* US CDC released a study indicating that masks decreased covid transmission rates by a WHOPPING 1.8 percent (btw the study also stated that indoor dining in restaurants increased covid transmission rates by a whopping 1.6 percent)
* People die, on average 107 in BC, 780 across the nation and globally 150,000 people die each day, yet when two people die with covid in BC, Bonnie says shes sorry to those who have lost loved one to covid. What about the families of the other 105?
* The MSM has been bought by the government (covid bail out packages)
* Shockingly, the MSM lies
* Shockingly, your government lies to its citizens...the mighty PM has been convicted of multiple ethics violations
* Horgan called an early election to capitalize on an opportunity to get a majority government during a deadly pandemic (and it worked)
* Experts in Canada are now saying that even with vaccination herd immunity won't be achieved and that Canadians are going to have to learn to live with covid
* If you turned off your TV, phone and there wasn't a mask mandate in indoor public places, the average citizen wouldn't know that there was a pandemic
'rifle
A lot of BS for your 2nd post.
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Have a look Ralph, pay particular attention to the bold prose in the last paragraph:
https://www.fda.gov/media/144638/download
FACT SHEET FOR RECIPIENTS AND CAREGIVERS
EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION (EUA) OF THE MODERNA COVID-19 VACCINE TO PREVENT CORONAVIRUS DISEASE 2019 (COVID-19) IN INDIVIDUALS 18 YEARS OF AGE AND OLDER
You are being offered the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine to prevent Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by SARS-CoV-2. This Fact Sheet contains information to help you understand the risks and benefits of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine, which you may receive because there is currently a pandemic of COVID-19. The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine is a vaccine and may prevent you from getting COVID-19. There is no U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19.
Read this Fact Sheet for information about the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine. Talk to the vaccination provider if you have questions. It is your choice to receive the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine.The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine is administered as a2- dose series, 1 month apart, into the muscle. The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine may not protect everyone.
This Fact Sheet may have been updated. For the most recent Fact Sheet, please visit www.modernatx.com/covid19vaccine-eua.
WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW BEFORE YOU GET THIS VACCINE WHAT IS COVID-19?COVID-19 is caused by a coronavirus called SARS-CoV-2. This type of coronavirus has not been seen before. You can get COVID-19 through contact with another person who has the virus. It is predominantly a respiratory illness that can affect other organs. People with COVID-19 have had a wide range of symptoms reported, ranging from mild symptoms to severe illness. Symptoms may appear 2 to 14 days after exposure to the virus. Symptoms may include: fever or chills; cough; shortness of breath; fatigue; muscle or body aches; headache; new loss of taste or smell; sore throat; congestion or runny nose; nausea or vomiting; diarrhea.
WHAT IS THE MODERNA COVID-19 VACCINE? The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine is an unapproved vaccine that may prevent COVID-19. There is no FDA-approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19. The FDA has authorized the emergency use of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine to prevent COVID-19 in individuals 18 years of age and older under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). For more information on EUA, see the “What is an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)?” section at the end of this Fact Sheet.
Revised: Mar/26/2021
That's one Ralph and I can assure you the rest of my points are facts as well. So, exactly who is posting crap and hearsay?
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might help if you were to provide the info that applies to Canada rather than that for a foreign country:
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/vaccines/moderna.html
The Moderna COVID-19 vaccine (mRNA-1273) is used to prevent COVID-19. This disease is caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).
The vaccine is approved for people who are 18 years of age and older. Its safety and effectiveness in people younger than 18 years of age have not yet been established...
That's one Ralph and I can assure you the rest of my points are facts as well. So, exactly who is posting crap and hearsay?
you are - supporting a little piece of one claim is crap and hearsay.
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Whew! What a list!
Ok lets start at the top.
Re. Moderna: Is that the only bad thing you can say about them? Cmon you can do better then that.
Re. Emergency approval: True. Usually the FDA takes their sweet time to look over the data from a phase 3 trial before finally coming to a decision. This time they got off their bureaucratic asses in record time.
Re. 5-10 years is normal. True. We are very fortunate that BioNTech, Moderna, and others had been studying the original SARS virus (SARS CoV1) for the last 10 years. Without that, it would have been at least 5 years for an effective vaccine.
Re. Animal tests: It was the first thing they did. Remember "long term" for a rat is 90 days.
Re. Severe reactions: Anaphylactic reactions can be dealt with easily if you are looking for it. The blood clots are 1 in a million, way safer then driving to the rifle range with all those idiots on the road lol.
Re. Survival rate 99%: False. The death rate right now is around 2% world wide (20x more then flu), down from around 4% a few months ago. That's with medical care for the worst cases. If the medical system collapsed like it did in India, mortality would go way up.
Re. 2.5% Deaths solely caused by covid: True. But the other 97.5% would probably not have immediately died if they didn't have covid.
Re. Masks and social distancing: I think the most telling thing is that there has been virtually no influenza cases this year compared to years with no mask mandate. Flu and covid spread in a similar way.
Re. Average 107 deaths per day in BC: Ya we've had a lot of gun violence lately. Who is going to apologize for that, you?
I'm going to skip the political BS because it's obvious that you will never criticize Jason Kenney even though Alberta currently has one of the highest infection rates per capita in the world.
Re. Herd immunity: If we could vaccinate the whole world right now we might get herd immunity. Then again we might not. It took many years to eliminate small pox and polio, even with vaccines. And flu has been around and will continue to be around probably for ever. I think we can assume that masks are the new normal. Get used to it.
Re. If you turned off your TV and phone...: Well eventually everyone heard about small pox and spanish flu... if they survived it.
Good list. You got it mostly right ;)
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Well, since we are talking facts, here are some for ya to consider:
* Moderna has been around for a decade and they have never had a vaccine approved for use by the US FDA
* The 'vaccines' that are being deployed are experimental trial vaccines (which is running until 2023) which have been approved for emergency use only
* Vaccine development normally takes between 5 and 10 years
* Covid vaccines skipped the animal testing phase, which is where long term effects are studied
* Those who have been fully (or partially) vaccinated are still getting covid, can still pass it along to others and some have died
* Vaccine recipients are having severe reactions up to and including death
* NACI has stated that their preferred vaccines are Pfizer and Moderna, and to wait for those if you can...The gov't retorts with all vaccines are safe and they urge you take the first one offered to you
* The survival rate if one does get covid, even if you happen to be in the most vulnerable demographic (80 plus years old with multiple co-morbities) averages out to around 99 percent
* Only 2.5 percent of 'covid caused deaths' in BC/AB can be attributed solely to covid
* Bonnie Henry implemented a mask mandate on the citizens of BC in November 2020 due to pressure received from the retail market, not because 'the science' indicated to do so
* US CDC released a study indicating that masks decreased covid transmission rates by a WHOPPING 1.8 percent (btw the study also stated that indoor dining in restaurants increased covid transmission rates by a whopping 1.6 percent)
* People die, on average 107 in BC, 780 across the nation and globally 150,000 people die each day, yet when two people die with covid in BC, Bonnie says shes sorry to those who have lost loved one to covid. What about the families of the other 105?
* The MSM has been bought by the government (covid bail out packages)
* Shockingly, the MSM lies
* Shockingly, your government lies to its citizens...the mighty PM has been convicted of multiple ethics violations
* Horgan called an early election to capitalize on an opportunity to get a majority government during a deadly pandemic (and it worked)
* Experts in Canada are now saying that even with vaccination herd immunity won't be achieved and that Canadians are going to have to learn to live with covid
* If you turned off your TV, phone and there wasn't a mask mandate in indoor public places, the average citizen wouldn't know that there was a pandemic
'rifle
This. Thank you for speaking the truth bother. May peace be with you.
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Live your life boys and gals. Get the shot if you want but go fishing. Wherever you want, with everyone you want. Make your own decisions. This whole thing (from my view) has been literal "more harm from cure than disease." Have a nice day :D
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Rifle,
I can assure you, that as an essential service worker, the vast majority of people are well aware we are in a pandemic even without a cell phone and T.V. Most, if not not all British Columbians now know someone who has either died or had some serious symptoms from covid. If you are questioning the general efficacy of an albeit newly developed vaccine, I would look at the inverse correlational drop between the number of people vaccinated and the indicators of covid prevalence like case counts and positivity rates. It seems you have a particular political view and understanding of our situation and have “cherry picked” a string of information that is mostly either untrue or taken out of context in order to create a narrative that fits your thinking. Which, of course, you are entitled to do so but bare in mind, this type of thinking puts people other than yourself at risk.
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Little wonder that the panademic has been much harder to control than most people expected. Certainly has been a Cluster F almost exclusively to dim witted politiciians, ignorant self interested members of the public and the anti-vaccine crowd. Most countries where there has been hard lock downs basically escaped or got rid of it without vaccines. The harm could have been avoided.
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Rifle,
I can assure you, that as an essential service worker, the vast majority of people are well aware we are in a pandemic even without a cell phone and T.V. Most, if not not all British Columbians now know someone who has either died or had some serious symptoms from covid. If you are questioning the general efficacy of an albeit newly developed vaccine, I would look at the inverse correlational drop between the number of people vaccinated and the indicators of covid prevalence like case counts and positivity rates. It seems you have a particular political view and understanding of our situation and have “cherry picked” a string of information that is mostly either untrue or taken out of context in order to create a narrative that fits your thinking. Which, of course, you are entitled to do so but bare in mind, this type of thinking puts people other than yourself at risk.
Ham,
So, you are stating that in a province of 5.1 million people, that almost everyone knows one of the 1667 people that have died or one of the 7133 people that have been hospitalized by covid?? You may want to have a look at those numbers and think about your statement...I know five people that have knowingly had covid and fortunately none of them experienced any serious symptoms, nor do any of my friends know of anyone who has died from covid or had any serious symptoms.
In the graph below, what caused the downward trends in case numbers etc during the first and second waves? We all know there weren't any vaccines available then, correct? Can you state with one hundred percent certainty that the vaccines are causing the current downward trend??
(https://i.imgur.com/JtUlho4.png)
If you would be so kind as to point out which points that I posted are untrue or taken out of context it would be greatly appreciated. Finally, what exactly is my narrative? Thanks in advance.
'rifle
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If you would be so kind as to point out which points that I posted are untrue or taken out of context it would be greatly appreciated. Finally, what exactly is my narrative? Thanks in advance.
'rifle
pretty much all of them were untrue, misleading, out of context or some other distortion of facts.
Even your reference to the death and hospitalizations in BC is misleading. As if most or all of us don't know people who live somewhere out of Province who have been affected.
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might help if you were to provide the info that applies to Canada rather than that for a foreign country:
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/vaccines/moderna.html
you are - supporting a little piece of one claim is crap and hearsay.
Ralphie ol' chap, way to change the question after you are proved wrong...Oh well, no matter, here is the supporting document that shows the vaccine is only approved on an emergency basis in Canada, just like it is in the USA.
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Date published: March 31, 2021
The COVID-19 pandemic posed an immediate and significant risk to the health and safety of Canadians. To address the public health need in Canada, it was necessary to expedite the authorization of drugs and vaccines for COVID-19.
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ISAD IO in effect until September 16, 2021
Amended Food and Drug Regulations replace ISAD IO
ISAD IO in effect until September 16, 2021
The Minister of Health-approved interim order to import, sell and advertise drugs during COVID-19 took effect on September 16, 2020. This interim order, known as ISAD IO, provided a temporary emergency authorization for COVID-19 drugs to address the pandemic.
The ISAD IO introduced temporary regulatory tools to expedite the authorization and licensing for importing, selling and advertising COVID-19-related drugs and vaccines without compromising standards for patient safety. Please refer to the Information and application requirements for drugs authorized under the interim order guidance document.
The ISAD IO ends on September 16, 2021.
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/updated-requirements-drug-authorization-notice.html
So Ralph, would you like to switch to another country and try again??
Once again, who exactly is spreading crap and hearsay??
'rifle
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IMO you are spreading crap and hearsay.
You need to review all the responses to your original list. The link I provided 2 weeks ago clearly said the vaccines are approved. Going back 2 weeks as you did changes nothing. The vaccines are the best available right now. In most of the country infection, hospitalization and death rates are all falling to levels we haven''t seen in many weeks. Much of that has to due with the vaccination rate.
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Rifle
Consider yourself fortunate that you do not know one more people who have died or been hospitalized from covid. It might be where you live or your professional or social circle that protects you from this. I live and work in the GVRD and connect with quite a number of families who been hospitalized or have members that have died. I have close friends and relatives who work in the Covid wards at several of our hospitals and they are heavily and tragically impacted everyday as are families of the people they treat.
The graph you provided shows the correlational drop in cases after two major holidays, notably Winter Break and Spring Break, getting back to school or work, in a more regulated context is also effective at reducing numbers. Behavioural changes, vaccinations, and other other factors create the statistics we see.
I will not go down your entire list, but will cite a couple and the same type reframing can be applied to most of your “facts”.
People who are vaccinated are still getting covid...yes absolutely but “breakthrough” occurs at a significantly reduced rate and with vastly reduced hospitalization and death. Which, for a vaccine set that is less than 2 years old and based on new technology (I am talking MRNA not viral vector type vaccines), is pretty effective. You also have to consider that world travel and globalization has exposed us to variants which effects efficacy. The pattern of reduction in cases and other indicators in direct relation to vaccination numbers has been repeated in other countries across the globe. Almost all other developed countries have taken “regulate behaviour” plus vaccination approach as a strategy to various degrees. These countries have the most educated and informed people in regards to viral transmission, medicine, and epidemiology. Most of the vaccines use similar technologies around the world. Given this, it is compelling that altering our behaviour and vaccination is the agreed upon strategy.
I think you said something like 2% of covid caused deaths are actually “caused” by covid. Covid caused deaths are covid caused deaths. It does not matter if death was a result a symptom or a complication caused by the disease it is still caused by it. When someone dies from cancer, do they typically die from having the growth or a severe comorbid symptom like organ failure? The 2% “fact” is ridiculous.
In terms of your narrative, it seems like you believe masks, vaccines, widespread health guidelines, and government are either ineffective, dishonest, or corrupt. Though certainly there are strands of what you are saying that may have have some validity....almost all our medical health professionals would probably call your thinking irresponsible and misled. Have you spoken to your family doctor about your particular understanding?
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I fully expect to be either banned or worse get angry private messages for this, but here it goes.
For those of us that have been vaccinated, let's just let natural selection do run it's course. But of course, we are the sheep that's uninformed
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Time will ultimately tell if the vaccine was safe over the long term. The fact is we do NOT know 100% what the long term effects are. We just don't. I just find it awfully sad that some people actually fight so hard trying to convince others that it's safe long term. They don't know crap. People should always ask question. The questions should never stop.
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You know posting about just some portion of the risks or the imagined risks is misinformation,
Covid infection poses a high risk of long term effects:
Types of Post-COVID Conditions
Long COVID
Long COVID is a range of symptoms that can last weeks or months after first being infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 or can appear weeks after infection. Long COVID can happen to anyone who has had COVID-19, even if the illness was mild, or they had no symptoms. People with long COVID report experiencing different combinations of the following symptoms:
Tiredness or fatigue
Difficulty thinking or concentrating (sometimes referred to as “brain fog”)
Headache
Loss of smell or taste
Dizziness on standing
Fast-beating or pounding heart (also known as heart palpitations)
Chest pain
Difficulty breathing or shortness of breath
Cough
Joint or muscle pain
Depression or anxiety
Fever
Symptoms that get worse after physical or mental activities
Multiorgan Effects of COVID-19
Multiorgan effects can affect most, if not all, body systems including heart, lung, kidney, skin, and brain functions. Multiorgan effects can also include conditions that occur after COVID-19, like multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS) and autoimmune conditions. MIS is a condition where different body parts can become swollen. Autoimmune conditions happen when your immune system attacks healthy cells in your body by mistake, causing painful swelling in the affected parts of the body.
It is unknown how long multiorgan system effects might last and whether the effects could lead to chronic health conditions.
Effects of COVID-19 Treatment or Hospitalization
Post-COVID conditions also can include the longer-term effects of COVID-19 treatment or hospitalization. Some of these longer-term effects are similar to those related to hospitalization for other respiratory infections or other conditions.
Effects of COVID-19 treatment and hospitalization can also include post-intensive care syndrome (PICS), which refers to health effects that remain after a critical illness. These effects can include severe weakness and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). PTSD involves long-term reactions to a very stressful event.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html
That's just what's been identified to date. More may become known as time passes.
People should also recall that the common flu vaccine is essentially re-engineered in the months before flu season. The new flu variants usually show up in the Far East in the late spring and summer. By late October into November new flu vaccines are released for public use that provide immunity to these new strains. This has been happening for 30 to 40 years.
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You know posting about just some portion of the risks or the imagined risks is misinformation,
Covid infection poses a high risk of long term effects:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html
That's just what's been identified to date. More may become known as time passes.
People should also recall that the common flu vaccine is essentially re-engineered in the months before flu season. The new flu variants usually show up in the Far East in the late spring and summer. By late October into November new flu vaccines are released for public use that provide immunity to these new strains. This has been happening for 30 to 40 years.
Stop pretending to be an expert Ralph. You just recite what's on another web page. That's literally all you do. Copy and paste master. You look like a 🤡. You'll look like even more of a clown if this vaccine starts killing people 5 years down the road. I'll look back to this site in a week and read up on your copy and paste response.
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Stop pretending to be an expert Ralph. You just recite what's on another web page. That's literally all you do. Copy and paste master. You look like a 🤡. You'll look like even more of a clown if this vaccine starts killing people 5 years down the road.
Then maybe you would be so kind and educate us with your expertise, and explain by what mechanism this could occur.
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Time will ultimately tell if the vaccine was safe over the long term. The fact is we do NOT know 100% what the long term effects are. We just don't. I just find it awfully sad that some people actually fight so hard trying to convince others that it's safe long term. They don't know crap. People should always ask question. The questions should never stop.
LOL - what a joke. That's right you don't know what the long term effects of the vaccines are either good or bad. ::)
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One thing I know for sure though... We're all getting a lot smarter with Bill Gates' DNA in our blood. Look how many vaccine experts we got here. ;)
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One thing I know for sure though... We're all getting a lot smarter with Bill Gates' DNA in our blood. Look how many vaccine experts we got here. ;)
;D ;D
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One thing I know for sure though... We're all getting a lot smarter with Bill Gates' DNA in our blood. Look how many vaccine experts we got here. ;)
Lol! Rod, I never would have thought you spend time reading Parler.
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Of course, Facebook and Instagram just aren't stimulating enough anymore. :)
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Of course, Facebook and Instagram just aren't stimulating enough anymore. :)
;D
sheesh Rod .. but you have your own discussion bored!
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New research from Washington University shows mild cases of COVID-19 leave people with lifelong antibodies
"If you’ve had a mild case of COVID-19, a new study shows you could have protection that lasts a lifetime. According to a new study from researchers at Washington University School of Medicine, those who have had mild COVID-19 still have immune cells in their body pumping out antibodies against the virus that could persist for life.
Dr. Ali Ellebedy, PhD, an associate professor of pathology and immunology, said his findings quash rumors that antibody protection only lasts 90 days.
"That is exactly why we started the study,” Dr. Ellebedy said. “We knew that this was a misunderstanding of how our immune response works.”
Dr. Ellebedy said during an initial COVID-19 infection, certain antibody-producing cells plateau and eventually die off, which is the reason some antibody tests may show they’re no longer present. However, what remains are long-living cells found in our bone marrow that can produce antibodies for a lifetime."
https://www.kmov.com/news/new-research-from-washington-university-shows-mild-cases-of-covid-19-leave-people-with-lifelong/article_81a18fe2-bd92-11eb-a484-d7dbb9de1c39.html
https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/good-news-mild-covid-19-induces-lasting-antibody-protection/
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New research from Washington University shows mild cases of COVID-19 leave people with lifelong antibodies
"If you’ve had a mild case of COVID-19, a new study shows you could have protection that lasts a lifetime. According to a new study from researchers at Washington University School of Medicine, those who have had mild COVID-19 still have immune cells in their body pumping out antibodies against the virus that could persist for life.
Dr. Ali Ellebedy, PhD, an associate professor of pathology and immunology, said his findings quash rumors that antibody protection only lasts 90 days.
"That is exactly why we started the study,” Dr. Ellebedy said. “We knew that this was a misunderstanding of how our immune response works.”
Dr. Ellebedy said during an initial COVID-19 infection, certain antibody-producing cells plateau and eventually die off, which is the reason some antibody tests may show they’re no longer present. However, what remains are long-living cells found in our bone marrow that can produce antibodies for a lifetime."
https://www.kmov.com/news/new-research-from-washington-university-shows-mild-cases-of-covid-19-leave-people-with-lifelong/article_81a18fe2-bd92-11eb-a484-d7dbb9de1c39.html
https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/good-news-mild-covid-19-induces-lasting-antibody-protection/
Hey look. Clickbait.
"People who were infected and never had symptoms also may be left with long-lasting immunity, the researchers speculated."
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One thing I know for sure though... We're all getting a lot smarter with Bill Gates' DNA in our blood. Look how many vaccine experts we got here. ;)
I didn't like Bill Gates intrusion into my life and all the issues with Microsoft software (virus, exploits, blue screens of death etc). So I learned to install Linux OS and haven't had a virus since. ;D :P
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Hey look. Clickbait.
"People who were infected and never had symptoms also may be left with long-lasting immunity, the researchers speculated."
If that's your take home from this one, it certainly says a lot about your comprehensive skills.
Nog
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http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID-19_vaccine/AEFI_reports/COVID19_AEFI_Weekly_Report_2021-05-27.pdf
I believe it's important to read from sources and not get all info from the media. The 13 cases of Bells Palsy in British Columbia along with the 228 cases of anaphylaxis treated with epinephrine makes me go hmmm. The 228 cases of may be from fainting or anxiety as the report says. Correlation doesn't equal causation :-X
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BC is reporting higher rates of anaphylaxis than many other Canadian jurisdictions, but about half of these had lower level of diagnostic certainty and may reflect events such as anxiety or pre-syncopal (fainting) events, which are nevertheless managed as anaphylaxis out of an abundance of caution, and reported thereafter. Serious events have not been reported at rates higher than expected compared to background rates (Summary Pg 1)
Two hundred twenty-eight reports were received for events managed as anaphylaxis (i.e., the client received epinephrine for a suspected anaphylactic reaction). Of these, 127 (56%) met the Brighton Collaboration definition for anaphylaxis with diagnostic certainty levels of 1, 2, or 3.11Upon further review of these reports, many may reflect events such as anxiety or pre-syncopal (fainting) events. (pg 5)
Anaphylaxis is the most common serious side effect for any vaccine. It's why when a person receives a vaccine they have to remain at or near the place where the vaccine was administered.
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Anaphylaxis is the most common serious side effect for any vaccine. It's why when a person receives a vaccine they have to remain at or near the place where the vaccine was administered.
Copy and paste guru. Makes you look smart. Bravo 👏
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Copy and paste guru. Makes you look smart. Bravo 👏
LOL! ;D
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NACI Flip-Flops again:
Second vaccine doses should be given ASAP: NACI
Canada’s vaccine advisory board is changing its recommendation on when to give people their second COVID-19 vaccine.
The National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) says now that there’s a greater vaccine supply flowing into Canada, second shots should be doled out as soon as possible.
“The 16-week interval was the upper limit and provinces and territories should aim to start administering second doses as quickly as regional logistics allows it,” said NACI Chair Dr. Caroline Quach-Thanh, in a statement online.
https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/05/28/second-vaccine-doses-should-be-given-asap-naci/
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Death bed denials, pandemic 'hoax' accusations common in southern Manitoba hospital patients, doctor says
A southern Manitoba hospital physician says staff are exhausted by a recent crush of admissions, but they're also up against something else that's draining energy and morale.
Staff at Boundary Trails Health Centre are routinely hearing from sick and unvaccinated patients who believe the pandemic is a hoax — some remaining defiant even on the brink of death.
"We hear this almost every day, and I know that's startling," said Dr. Ganesan Abbu. "It's difficult ... to know that almost 100 per cent of our admissions have not been vaccinated."
"I think nurses have found it difficult to handle a community, certain segments of the community, who believe that this is a hoax, that the virus doesn't exist, and other untruths, like the vaccine is going to put a chip into each one of us who's been vaccinated and people will be able to track us," he said.
Abbu has personally experienced patients who, even nearing death, remained in denial and continued to assert untruths about the pandemic. "I've had two patients who have died and even right until the time that they died, they didn't believe that they had it," Abbu said.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winkler-doctor-hospital-vaccine-hesitancy-1.6044904
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NACI Flip-Flops again:
Second vaccine doses should be given ASAP: NACI
Canada’s vaccine advisory board is changing its recommendation on when to give people their second COVID-19 vaccine.
The National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) says now that there’s a greater vaccine supply flowing into Canada, second shots should be doled out as soon as possible.
“The 16-week interval was the upper limit and provinces and territories should aim to start administering second doses as quickly as regional logistics allows it,” said NACI Chair Dr. Caroline Quach-Thanh, in a statement online.
https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/05/28/second-vaccine-doses-should-be-given-asap-naci/
BC made this announcement for Pfizer and Moderna vaccines Thursday and other Province had done so a day or 2 earlier.
Regarding "Flip flops" - there are 3 perfectly good reasons to switch back to a shorter time frame
- sufficient supply, closer to the original recommendation gives higher immunity, the increasing presence of variants from India to which all vaccines provide lower protection though receiving both vaccinedoeses provides higher immunity than just one.
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Death bed denials, pandemic 'hoax' accusations common in southern Manitoba hospital patients, doctor says
A southern Manitoba hospital physician says staff are exhausted by a recent crush of admissions, but they're also up against something else that's draining energy and morale.
Staff at Boundary Trails Health Centre are routinely hearing from sick and unvaccinated patients who believe the pandemic is a hoax — some remaining defiant even on the brink of death.
"We hear this almost every day, and I know that's startling," said Dr. Ganesan Abbu. "It's difficult ... to know that almost 100 per cent of our admissions have not been vaccinated."
"I think nurses have found it difficult to handle a community, certain segments of the community, who believe that this is a hoax, that the virus doesn't exist, and other untruths, like the vaccine is going to put a chip into each one of us who's been vaccinated and people will be able to track us," he said.
Abbu has personally experienced patients who, even nearing death, remained in denial and continued to assert untruths about the pandemic. "I've had two patients who have died and even right until the time that they died, they didn't believe that they had it," Abbu said.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winkler-doctor-hospital-vaccine-hesitancy-1.6044904
Are people really that ignorant or are they that stupid to believe all these conspiracy theories ?
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Are people really that ignorant or are they that stupid to believe all these conspiracy theories ?
Likely they are in shock and acting irrational and it's more common in hospital settings than most other settings. You could apply the same article to someone who just lost a loved one to a car accident or who got diagnosed with another disease and a small percent will act irrationally with disbelief of the situation. Crappy situation and I don't envy healthcare workers for the abuse they take. Wouldn't want to be a security guard in a hospital, Covid or not.
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Are people really that ignorant or are they that stupid to believe all these conspiracy theories ?
YES!
Polio and Small Pox was a hoax too,right? ;)
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... Regarding "Flip flops" - there are 3 perfectly good reasons to switch back to a shorter time frame
They did what they were told IMHO in order to bolster the government's claims that the delay wasn't anything of an issue. Now that we finally have some numbers of vaccines rolling in, they actually revert to what they are / were supposed to be doing - provide accurate advice. That to me stinks of political interference and has flip-flop written all over it.
Nog
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NO new cases in our district last week!!
Vancouver Island’s top 10 most-vaccinated communities
More than 60% of adults have had a dose of vaccine in all local health area on the Island except one
https://www.albernivalleynews.com/news/vancouver-islands-top-10-most-vaccinated-communities/
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They did what they were told IMHO in order to bolster the government's claims that the delay wasn't anything of an issue. Now that we finally have some numbers of vaccines rolling in, they actually revert to what they are / were supposed to be doing - provide accurate advice. That to me stinks of political interference and has flip-flop written all over it.
Nog
thank heavens people like you don't often get to run much of anything - let alone the world. In the current case we'd be waiting 5 years or more for a fully tested vaccine and would not have worn masks until all the science is in... oh but I forgot, you make exceptions for your own vigorous biases such the seal debate or the debate about government deficits.
Resume your normal programming
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as long as our kids won't look like sea monkeys...
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Alberta reports 296 new COVID-19 cases, declining hospitalizations
Alberta released new provincial COVID-19 vaccine data Thursday showing only a minuscule percentage of people with their first dose got infected or needed hospitalization.
Dr. Deena Hinshaw, Alberta's chief medical officer of health, said the vaccines have proven even more effective than expected. Since January, 96 per cent of all COVID-19 cases in Alberta were either unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks of getting their first shot while their immunity was still building.
Just 0.2 per cent of all Albertans who received their first dose got COVID-19 after two-weeks had passed since getting the shot.
Over that same period, 93 per cent of the people who needed hospital care were either not vaccinated or were diagnosed with infection within two weeks of receiving their first dose.
"Our data also clearly show the vaccines are effective against the most common variants circulating in Alberta right now," Hinshaw said.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/deena-hinshaw-alberta-covid-19-1.6051592
Every passing day it becomes clearer that the vaccine is having it's desired effect.
Due to my existing medical condition, I well understand that should I contract the virus, that would spell lights out for me.
Too much left to do to take that chance, so I was pleased to get on with the show (despite a few reactions that ended up being both predicted and short lived). Each to their own, do what you will. For me the choice was obvious.
For others not so much... (http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/images/smilies/confused0024.gif)
Cheers,
Nog
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The mRNA vaccine revolution is just beginning
mRNA brought us a Covid-19 vaccine in record speed. Next it could tackle flu, malaria or HIV
While the world remains focused on the rollout of Covid-19 vaccines, the race for the next generation of mRNA vaccines – targeted at a variety of other diseases – is already exploding. Moderna and BioNTech each have nine candidates in development or early clinical trials. There are at least six mRNA vaccines against flu in the pipeline, and a similar number against HIV. Nipah, Zika, herpes, dengue, hepatitis and malaria have all been announced.
“Biotech generally doesn’t have as much disruption as the computer tech industry – development times are long, it's heavily regulated. So you can usually see change coming,” says Hartaj Singh, an industry analyst with Oppenheimer & Co. “Covid turned that on its head; mRNA vaccines quickly came out as the big winner. Lots of older vaccine platforms will be gone – replaced – in a few years, or at least greatly diminished.”
Şahin would go further. “It will be transformative, there's no question. It will be absolutely transformative. Many older vaccine platforms will not survive.” But, he says, the impact will go beyond what we already know. “There are so many more things we can do. This is not just a replacement; we will be coming up with other new medical innovations that wouldn’t otherwise be possible.”
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/mrna-vaccine-revolution-katalin-kariko
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http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID-19_vaccine/AEFI_reports/COVID19_AEFI_Weekly_Report_2021-06-10.pdf
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Most of the mRNA vaccines mentioned above were in development & even being tested well before the pandemic hit.
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Most of the mRNA vaccines mentioned above were in development & even being tested well before the pandemic hit.
Not a Vaccine. Just sayin. Not a vaccine in the traditional sense of typical virus vector vaccines. It's more of an operating system. Gene therapy. Certainly NOT a traditional virus vector.
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Not a Vaccine. Just sayin. Not a vaccine in the traditional sense of typical virus vector vaccines. It's more of an operating system. Gene therapy. Certainly NOT a traditional virus vector.
Please stop. You are embarrassing all fishermen.
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Most of the mRNA vaccines mentioned above were in development & even being tested well before the pandemic hit.
Some were, some weren't.
https://cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/52424.html
As the article I cited notes, the progress has been tremendous, and the potential advances (rapid that is) are extremely fascinating.
You should try and be somewhat less of a contrarian Ralphie Ol' Chap. Unfortunate that is so deeply ingrained in you that you have to try and find fault even with the positive...
Nog
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you're calling me a contrarian? Oh that's rich! ;D
for your reference:
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89998
While an mRNA vaccine has never been on the market anywhere in the world, mRNA vaccines have been tested in humans before, for at least four infectious diseases: rabies, influenza, cytomegalovirus, and Zika.
you also failed to mention or find (or whoever sent you the link did) that mrna cancer vaccine were also in trial prior to the current pandemic.
...researchers have focused on utilizing mRNA vaccines in another arena that is currently lacking any form of disease prevention, cancer (1, 4, 7). Think about that for a minute. mRNA vaccines have the potential to destroy cancer. This is not just an idea they are working with. It is a reality for the near future. There are multiple cancer vaccines currently in phase 2 and 3 trials.
https://www.oligotherapeutics.org/facts-about-mrna-vaccines-and-the-decades-of-research-that-went-into-creating-them/
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you're calling me a contrarian? Oh that's rich!
Not so much "rich" as REALITY. ;)
Cheers
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...and so rich with irony! LOL.
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Mad Max's shenanigans finally got him arrested:
Maxime Bernier arrested in Manitoba for violating public health orders
These are not the first rallies Bernier has attended or promoted, and he has been fined in other jurisdictions for attending rallies.
In early May, he was ticketed along with dozens of people in Regina and Saskatoon for violating public health orders at anti-COVID-19 restrictions rallies.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7942674/maxime-bernier-arrested-manitoba-violating-public-health-orders/
And while there are a few "special" folks here who may applaud his stance, the vest majority that I know with any sense whatsoever are all saying ABOUT TIME!
Cheers,
Nog
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What a dumbass
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Bernier’s case will get tossed out fast, cause the judge knows it’s a joke
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Bernier’s case will get tossed out fast, cause the judge knows it’s a joke
Would you care to wager on that...
Nog
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Sure, if he’s innocent and doesn’t have to pay any fines I win
If he’s guilty, you win
How’s a friendly bet $20 or $50 ? I don’t want to take too much of your money
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He's already been fined several times, and paid them off repeatedly.
Track record thus established.
Go for the 20 clams. ;D
Cheers,
Nog
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Sent you a PM buddy 8)
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Bernier’s case will get tossed out fast, cause the judge knows it’s a joke
True. Like him or not this is all silly and a waste of everyone's money, time and resources. He also recently visited Vancouver's "Corduroy Restaurant" which has been flaunting regs since beginning. They are open doing business as normal despite no masks etc. It's Canada eh.
It is a good distraction from other current events. Also creates another division among people who normally would be aligned on most things. I'm curious how your bet works out ;)
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Good interview with Pieter Cullis, the UBC prof that developed the delivery system for the mRNA vaccines.
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/jun-12-missions-to-venus-learning-instant-replay-wrens-spectacular-duet-and-more-1.6061094/meet-the-canadian-scientist-who-paved-the-way-for-for-groundbreaking-mrna-covid-vaccines-1.6061099 (https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/jun-12-missions-to-venus-learning-instant-replay-wrens-spectacular-duet-and-more-1.6061094/meet-the-canadian-scientist-who-paved-the-way-for-for-groundbreaking-mrna-covid-vaccines-1.6061099)
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Taser and jail time are warranted. He is a Covidiot who is killing people.
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Recreational travel allowed in B.C. as of Tuesday as province's restart plan moves ahead
Officials announced Step 2 will begin Tuesday, as hoped, since case counts and hospitalizations have steadily dropped in recent weeks while vaccinations rose.
Under Step 2, the following will be allowed
Recreational travel across B.C.
Outdoor gatherings of up to 50 people.
Organized indoor gatherings of up to 50 people, in places like movie theatres or banquet halls.
Indoor team sports and fitness classes.
Indoor faith gatherings with up to 50 people, or 10 per cent of the building's total capacity, whichever is greater.
Alcohol service at restaurants, bars and pubs until midnight.
As of Sunday, the rolling averages for cases and hospitalizations were down 56 per cent and 46 per cent, respectively. Vaccination rates were also well past the benchmark, with more than three-quarters of adults having had one dose.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6064731
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BC Ferries website goes down within hours of province announcing end of travel ban
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/bc-ferries-website-goes-down-within-hours-of-province-announcing-end-of-travel-ban-1.5469884
The Hordes are upon us!! (https://www.tnof.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/DontThere.gif)
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Spent a few days in Victoria last week and that city needs tourism dollars desperately. Glad to hear things are opening up.
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Spent a few days in Victoria last week and that city needs tourism dollars desperately. Glad to hear things are opening up.
The City of Victoria is ran by a set of clowns. #CancelCanadaday is a disgrace. It never ends with that council. The Christmas light fiasco, the homeless debacle, ripping down statues, lawsuits on oil companies, it never ends. I have family in the DT with a retail business. They get ripped off almost daily. The police do nothing and the council does nothing for their safety. This is the "Woke" culture of today. Joke joke joke.
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Yes, Nog, it's pretty obvious 2 shots are better then 1, but given limited supply it's better to have 100 people with 70% chance of immunity then 50 people with 90% and 50 with none.
Moderna is trialing a modified mRNA that specifically targets the variants. They are even talking about a third shot being better then just 2.
If we could vaccinate the whole world right now, there would be far less chance of new variants spreading but, again, limited supply.
Sounds like you need to run for the Mayor of Vic.
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How conspiracy theorists are using a CDC database to spread misinformation and fear
“Whenever you have transparency, you have the opportunity for that information to be used and twisted in ways that you didn’t intend,” Sell says. “We have a whole spinning narrative of misinformation that’s based on tiny kernels of truth.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/7957771/covid-19-vaccine-misinformation/amp/
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Yep, they get it mostly right. ;)
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First Cancer Patient Receives mRNA Melanoma Vaccine In New Clinical Trial
When research into mRNA vaccines was ramped up and they were thrust into the spotlight in the relentless fight against COVID-19, speculation began as to how the innovations could impact other areas of medicine.
Now, another large milestone has been reached to that end, with the first patient in the Phase II trial of the BioNTech mRNA cancer vaccine receiving their first dose. The BNT111 treatment will be combined with an existing immunotherapy drug and aims to combat a specific type of advanced melanoma.
“Our vision is to harness the power of the immune system against cancer and infectious diseases. We were able to demonstrate the potential of mRNA vaccines in addressing COVID-19. We must not forget, that cancer is also a global health threat, even worse than the current pandemic,“ said Özlem Türeci, M.D., Co-founder and Chief Medical Officer of BioNTech, in a statement.
https://www.iflscience.com/health-a...-mrna-melanoma-vaccine-in-new-clinical-trial/
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Antisense, RNAi And MicroRNA Explained
Make Way For RNA Based Therapies
The up hill battle of RNA therapeutics to the clinic continues despite extensive use in research. Recall from high school biology that RNA translates DNA code into a language ribosomes can understand in order to make proteins required by the cell.
Fighting the good fight are antisense, RNAi, and microRNA. With their high specificity and relative low manufacturing cost, these technologies may be tomorrow’s biotech sweetheart. In fact, chances are good that previously “undruggable” targets (that cannot be accessed by small or large molecule drugs) are within arm’s reach. However, the main hurdle continues to be delivery—getting the RNA drug where it needs to be, in high enough concentrations, to be effective.
This WEEKLY examines the similarities and differences between the RNA therapeutics winding their way through the clinic and into the marketplace.
https://weekly.biotechprimer.com/antisense-rnai-and-microrna-explained/
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What is mRNA? The messenger molecule that’s been in every living cell for billions of years is the key ingredient in some COVID-19 vaccines
One surprising star of the coronavirus pandemic response has been the molecule called mRNA. It’s the key ingredient in the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines. But mRNA itself is not a new invention from the lab. It evolved billions of years ago and is naturally found in every cell in your body. Scientists think RNA originated in the earliest life forms, even before DNA existed.
Here’s a crash course in just what mRNA is and the important job it does:
https://theconversation.com/what-is-mrna-the-messenger-molecule-thats-been-in-every-living-cell-for-billions-of-years-is-the-key-ingredient-in-some-covid-19-vaccines-158511
Although these are new vaccines, the underlying technology was initially developed many years ago and improved incrementally over time. As a result, the vaccines have been well tested for safety. The success of these mRNA vaccines against COVID-19, in terms of safety and efficacy, predicts a bright future for new vaccine therapies that can be quickly tailored to new, emerging threats. Early-stage clinical trials using mRNA vaccines have already been conducted for influenza, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus. Certainly, creative scientists are already considering and developing therapies for other diseases or disorders that might benefit from an approach similar to that used for the vaccines against COVID-19.
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Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated
Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/science/nearly-all-covid-deaths-in-us-are-now-among-unvaccinated/ar-AALoNi3
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COVID-19 Alberta statistics
Interactive aggregate data on COVID-19 cases in Alberta
Since Jan 1, 2021, 0.3% of people with one dose (4,924/1,525,274) were diagnosed with COVID-19 14 days after the first immunization date
Since Jan 1, 2021, 0% of people with two doses (542/1,156,974) were diagnosed with COVID-19 14 days after the second immunization date
95.5% of cases (122,563/128,314) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
92.6% of hospitalized cases (5,150/5,559) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
87.4% of COVID-19 deaths (665/761) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes
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COVID-19 Alberta statistics
Since Jan 1, 2021, 0% of people with two doses (542/1,156,974) were diagnosed with COVID-19 14 days after the second immunization date
87.4% of COVID-19 deaths (665/761) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes
Shocking ::) I don't understand how anyone could be opposed to vaccination at this point. Millions have been vaccinated, months have gone by, the numbers have come in and they show that the vaccine is effective and safe.
I got my second shot on Thursday and went to work on Friday. Felt tired and achy. And it was so hot. So hot. Got home and took my temperature, it was 102. I guess that explains why it felt so hot ??? Feeling back to normal today. Probably should have booked the day off sick in advance... if you can, I'd recommend taking a day off the day after your second shot.
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Regarding the most dangerous variant, the Delta, the UK government admits vaccinated people are 3.25 times more likely to die than those who did not take the experimental shot.
Out of 117 total deaths occurring within 28 days of infection, 44 of them were unvaccinated individuals.
No word on what vaccine these individuals has received.
Charts show one of the deceased had received their first vaccine dose within 21 days of dying and 19 of them received one vaccine dose more than 21 days before passing away.
50 people who died from the Delta variant took both doses of the COVID-19 vaccine.
In total, 70 out of the 27,192 vaccinated individuals in the study died, which is a 0.26% mortality rate.
Meanwhile, 44 out of the 53,822 unvaccinated people in the paper died, resulting in a 0.08% mortality.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/996740/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf
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Out of 117 total deaths occurring within 28 days of infection, 44 of them were unvaccinated individuals [and 73 were at least partly vaccinated]
I wonder why that is. My first thought is that since the UK is approaching only 50% vaccinated, they may still be prioritizing shots for the elderly and vulnerable populations. Any breakthrough infections would carry a higher chance of death in those elderly/vulnerable populations. Meanwhile, the younger and as-yet unvaccinated population who contract the delta variant have a naturally lower chance of death and hospitalization.
The Telegraph has a headline stating that no fully-vaccinated people under 50 have yet died from the delta variant so that tracks with the logic above. The actual article was hidden behind a paywall so who knows whether there's more interesting info to the story.
I read another article about how all 117 of the people who died of the delta variant had consumed water either within 21 days before dying, or more than 21 days before passing away. Their deaths might have something to do with the experimental liquid they'd beed drinking :o
Update: Woke up feeling fine today! Got my second shot Thursday, had a fever and aches on Friday, back to normal on Saturday.
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COVID-19: No mask needed for indoor public spaces from July 1, as pandemic fizzles in B.C.
The COVID-19 pandemic is fizzling out in B.C. as the provincial health officer prepares to lift more restrictions on Canada Day — giving people a choice of whether to wear a mask in public indoor settings.
All this good news means B.C. will move into Step 3 of the four-step restart plan on July 1.
Step 3 will see a return to normal indoor and outdoor personal gatherings, fairs and festivals can be held, casinos and nightclubs can reopen and all indoor fitness classes are allowed.
There will still be restrictions on the numbers of people allowed in casinos and nightclubs and other public safety measures, however masks will no longer have to be worn in public indoor spaces.
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/covid-19-no-mask-needed-for-indoor-public-spaces-as-of-july-1-as-pandemic-fizzles-in-b-c
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Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated
Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/science/nearly-all-covid-deaths-in-us-are-now-among-unvaccinated/ar-AALoNi3
This is due to testing. About a month ago or more the US CDC changed the way ti run the PCR test for unvaccinated and vaccinated individuals. The vaccinated are placed in a new cycle threshold. This was detailed in a report the CDC released a while ago.you can still die from the virus even if fully vaccinated. BC had 6 deaths last time I checked for those who received both shots. Bonnie Henry said this on the news 3 days ago.More deaths for those who've only revised one dose and more fore no doses.
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I'll leave this here again. Not pro/anti anything. Just data to review if one is concerned about potential reactions/deaths the jab. We pay for it, may as well use the info.
BC
http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID-19_vaccine/AEFI_reports/COVID19_AEFI_Weekly_Report_2021-07-02.pdf
Ontario
https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-aefi-report.pdf?la=en
I thought all the numbers would be similar per capita but there seems to be a bit of a difference between the two provinces. I would guess it comes down to reporting of the events.
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AFAIK nobody ever claimed the Covid vaccine will make a person immortal. I reported here a couple of months ago that my wife's uncle died from covid after getting both pfizer shots on the recommended cycle. He was over 100. He had also suffered a fall about 1 week before passing away.
Please look at:
Why reports of COVID-19 infections after 2 vaccine doses aren't cause for alarm:
'Breakthrough infections' among fully vaccinated Canadians just 0.5 per cent of reported cases, data shows
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-vaccines-break-through-infection-canada-doses-1.6080206
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AFAIK nobody ever claimed the Covid vaccine will make a person immortal. I reported here a couple of months ago that my wife's uncle died from covid after getting both pfizer shots on the recommended cycle. He was over 100. He had also suffered a fall about 1 week before passing away.
Please look at:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-vaccines-break-through-infection-canada-doses-1.6080206
Thank you Ralph for sending me a link to the government propaganda news media. Who believes this crap. Morons,that's who. Only a moron would trust news from a government funded news outlet. Given a break. What separates the CBC from state run CCP news media. Nothing !
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LOL. Here's another one:
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/getting-covid-after-fully-vaccinated-sick-after-second-dose-how-many-people/65-27fee9e0-4601-4d46-9f3b-684d74e913b3
who report from https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e3.htm
that as of April 30th, about 101 million people were fully vaccinated and about 10,000 subsequently got covid; that means 0.01% of people got COVID after being fully vaccinated.
That compares to a total number infected as of July 2 of about 34 million people in the US of a population of 334 million since the pandemic started.
Here's another one from CTV reporting on a Rockefeller University (that should spin your hamster wheels!) study published in the New England Journal of Medicine: https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/risk-of-getting-covid-19-after-full-vaccination-extremely-low-new-study-1.5398015
Among 417 employees at Rockefeller University who were fully vaccinated with either the Pfizer or Moderna shots, two of them or about .5%, had breakthrough infections later,
...and your exquisitely paranoid wisdom springs from where?
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Oh Ralph, arguing with the kids again ::)
I read a WaPo article the other day about the difficulty of adapting back out of our pandemic mindset. It's written as a humorous piece but had some really good insights sprinkled in. This quote reminds me of our conspiracy-minded friends (who are thankfully not numerous enough to endanger our larger vaccination efforts):
"One thing I think we have all realized as the debates have raged over the pandemic — mask or no mask, to be vaccinated or not — is that we value our opinions more than both our lives and the lives of others."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2021/06/29/i-went-las-vegas-test-whether-i-was-really-ready-life-other-side-pandemic/
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Apologies for the double post but here's another quote from the same article that rings true for me:
I wish I could hand out trophies to those who have endured so much. After what everyone has been through, so many people deserve a trophy instead of only the invisible badges of honor and courage we have pinned on them. For the rest of their lives, I want them all to be walking around with a smoothie in one hand and a big gleaming trophy in the other. But in the same way, perhaps those who did not sacrifice — who laughed in the face of a serious threat to so many lives — should be forced to wear cheap, poorly made hats with stupid sayings on them.
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most kids past the age of 6 can figure vaccines out far quicker than a certain segment of adults. ;)
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Apologies for the double post but here's another quote from the same article that rings true for me:
I wish I could hand out trophies to those who have endured so much. After what everyone has been through, so many people deserve a trophy instead of only the invisible badges of honor and courage we have pinned on them. For the rest of their lives, I want them all to be walking around with a smoothie in one hand and a big gleaming trophy in the other. But in the same way, perhaps those who did not sacrifice — who laughed in the face of a serious threat to so many lives — should be forced to wear cheap, poorly made hats with stupid sayings on them.
Or UV tatooed on their forehead.
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Frankly the link to holocaust victims in that tattoo suggestion is off putting. The suggestion they be 'forced to wear cheap, poorly made hats with stupid sayings on them' not much less so.
Let's no forget those, who for medical reasons, are unable to get a vaccine.
As for those who won't get one for other reasons despite the evidence it's the best thing to do for an individual and those they come in contact with, that's their business.
However trying to convince other people to do likewise with the shoddiest of rationals is reprehensible. Let's not forget the one true conspiracy to discredit vaccines in general was done by anti-vaxxers. The current list of fallacious vaccine claims has continued through this pandemic, which is not over yet. It still rages in India and other 3rd and 4th world countries & we are not out of the woods here yet either.
According to an NPR report the bulk of fallacious Covid vaccine claims can be traced to 12 people, all either anti-vaccine activists or anti-vaccine entrepreneurs who make substantial money from peddling anti-vaccine merchandise. The alternative health movement is in large part, about money and these people are reaping profits from those who desperately don't want to be seen as "sheeple". Don't shame them. Pity the fools.
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes
https://252f2edd-1c8b-49f5-9bb2-cb57bb47e4ba.filesusr.com/ugd/f4d9b9_b7cedc0553604720b7137f8663366ee5.pdf
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We are vaxxed to the max in British Columbia (urban areas). Mostly it's just those small pockets of rural organic meat and veggie eating Covidiots that are saying "no thanks" to the shot(s) in arm(s) that are mostly are super safe and effective.
Personally I think it's time to turn Covid off and focus on regional issues that affect the economy and mortality. Hot air just totally overwhelmed our health care system. Will it happen again this summer? Traditionally a heat wave in June will be less hot than a heat wave in July and August. I think waiting until September 7th to relax the Covid rules is ridiculous.
I preferred the original "Corvid" thread. It was much more entertaining and I believe the crows and ravens have some regional knowledge. This one is lacking one or two characters.
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Failed China vaccine contract included undisclosed “non-refundable” cash payment
https://tnc.news/2021/07/02/failed-china-vaccine-contract-included-undisclosed-non-refundable-cash-payment/
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Unvaccinated people are 'variant factories,' infectious diseases expert says
Unvaccinated people do more than merely risk their own health. They're also a risk to everyone if they become infected with coronavirus, infectious disease specialists say.
That's because the only source of new coronavirus variants is the body of an infected person.
"Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN Friday.
"The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply," Schaffner said.
"When it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road."
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/unvaccinated-people-are-variant-factories-infectious-diseases-expert-says-1.5495359
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Corvid-22
caused by eating uncooked crow
the ravens know this
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Unvaccinated people are 'variant factories,' infectious diseases expert says
Unvaccinated people do more than merely risk their own health. They're also a risk to everyone if they become infected with coronavirus, infectious disease specialists say.
That's because the only source of new coronavirus variants is the body of an infected person.
"Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN Friday.
"The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply," Schaffner said.
"When it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road."
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/unvaccinated-people-are-variant-factories-infectious-diseases-expert-says-1.5495359
I told you all that they would blame the unvaccinated. I told you ! When the reality is the vaccinated are causing the mutations.
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I told you all that they would blame the unvaccinated. I told you ! When the reality is the vaccinated are causing the mutations.
Th Mutation is happening every second. Nothing to do with Vaccine
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Th Mutation is happening every second. Nothing to do with Vaccine
well....sorta...The more people that get vaccinated the more natural selection will be influenced. Eventually the mutation that spreads is the one that learns to adapt to survive in a vaccinated population.
The delta variant however, currently the worst on a number of metrics was born in an largely unvaccinated population in India. Of course its more infectious those types of mutations will winout in an unvaccinated pop.
its likely that the Delta will likely be out competed by a vaccine resistant mutation in the years to come.
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well....sorta...The more people that get vaccinated the more natural selection will be influenced. Eventually the mutation that spreads is the one that learns to adapt to survive in a vaccinated population.
uh and do you have examples where vaccines resulted in resistant virus strains with other viruses and vaccines?
Conversely smallpox was completely eradicated from the planet via the use of vaccines. It was the largest vaccine program known and went to all parts of the Earth. Similar situation with Polio. Mass polio vaccination - it was mandatory for school kids has seen polio all but eradicated in North America and Europe. it was very common up until the late 50s and 60s when the vaccine became available. i knew people who had polio and were crippled in various ways. Shame tese lessons are ignored.
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well....sorta...The more people that get vaccinated the more natural selection will be influenced. Eventually the mutation that spreads is the one that learns to adapt to survive in a vaccinated population.
That is a very weird thinking. The natural selection is always there. Each virus duplicates non-stop. The natural selection is through our immune system regardless the host is vaccinated or not. The Covid Vaccine is not anti-biotics. You might mixed them up with that idea.
The more vaccinated, the less spread of the virus. the base virus population is less. the less mutation accordingly.
On the contrary, without vaccine, the spread is increasing exponentially, the more variance produced through mutation process.
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uh and do you have examples where vaccines resulted in resistant virus strains with other viruses and vaccines?
Conversely smallpox was completely eradicated from the planet via the use of vaccines. It was the largest vaccine program known and went to all parts of the Earth. Similar situation with Polio. Mass polio vaccination - it was mandatory for school kids has seen polio all but eradicated in North America and Europe. it was very common up until the late 50s and 60s when the vaccine became available. i knew people who had polio and were crippled in various ways. Shame tese lessons are ignored.
The flu,
Also we’re talking about a coronavirus here, high rate of mutation, not as fast as the flu but faster then most virus.
What the vaccine is really good at is turning this from a Noval virus into one our bodies will recognize
Eradication was never a goal ot was always about reduction in sysmptoms from a virus that is unrecognized by your immune system.
RNA viruses, like the flu and measles, are more prone to changes and mutations compared with DNA viruses, such as herpes, smallpox, and human papillomavirus (HPV).
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The comparison doesn't work. Influenza and covid-19 are not related. There is no evidence flu vaccines lead to influenza variants as the variants for each coming new flu season are identified and sampled from areas where vaccination rates are low to non-existent. Influenza vaccination rates in Canada are about 40% - much lower than for covid.
vaccines doesn't turn the virus into anything. They condition our immune system to produce anti-bodies against the virus when it is present which means the virus can't reproduce to any extent in a human body. As psd1179 that will actually greatly reduce if not eliminate the probability of it producing a variant at all.
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The comparison doesn't work. Influenza and covid-19 are not related. There is no evidence flu vaccines lead to influenza variants as the variants for each coming new flu season are identified and sampled from areas where vaccination rates are low to non-existent. Influenza vaccination rates in Canada are about 40% - much lower than for covid.
vaccines doesn't turn the virus into anything. They condition our immune system to produce anti-bodies against the virus when it is present which means the virus can't reproduce to any extent in a human body. As psd1179 that will actually greatly reduce if not eliminate the probability of it producing a variant at all.
Yeah patato potato Ralph, I get what your saying if we could somehow vaccinate the whole world all at once but that’s just not happening.
Currently over 15k vaccinated people in the UK are being infected with covid daily. Vaccine can cause pressure selection of variants.
But it does not matter if we get Thoes variants are are asymptomatic does it because it’s no longer a novel virus.
I’m not arguing against getting a vaccine everyone should get one you don’t want your immune system to fight a virus it’s not seen before.
All I’m saying is that having a vaccinated population can have an influence on how what what
Variants spread.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-021-00544-9
Concerns have been raised that expanding the fraction of the population with partial immunity to SARS-CoV-2 could increase selection for vaccine-escape variants, ultimately undermining vaccine effectiveness. We argue that, although this is possible, preliminary evidence instead suggests such strategies should slow the rate of viral escape from vaccine or naturally induced immunity. As long as vaccination provides some protection against escape variants, the corresponding reduction in prevalence and incidence should reduce the rate at which new variants are generated and the speed of adaptation. Because there is little evidence of efficient immune selection of SARS-CoV-2 during typical infections, these population-level effects are likely to dominate vaccine-induced evolution.
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uh... half truths at best.
it's well known that vaccines provide about 50% avoidance of symptomatic infection hence the push to get people fully vaccinated. The other 50% mostly experience 'mild' symptoms some may get moderate symptoms and serious infections
But it does not matter if we get Thoes variants are are asymptomatic does it because it’s no longer a novel virus.
meaningless - calling covid19 novel simply indicated it was not previously known and has nothing to do with whatever it is you are trying to say.
Viruses do not mutate to reduce vaccine efficiency. It's not like they have a plan. Genetic mutations are random. The vast majority offer no advantage to the specific antigen. By chance a very small number will. The larger the number of reproducing viruses in a host population the higher the chance is that a specific mutation that reduces vaccine efficiency will happen. Vaccination particularly full vaccination reduces the number active viruses in the host population and reduces the chance a mutation that reduces future vaccine efficiency will occur.
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It's true that vaccines will slow the evolution of the virus. Its also true that vaccines will influence that evolution. Virtually any new variation will reduce the effectiveness of vaccines allowing the new ones to spread better then the old ones in a vaccinated population. Once it gets to 50-60% effective, it's time for a booster that targets the new variant specifically. Especially with the mRNA vaccines, it's very fast to change a small part of it to match the new variant. So the vaccine can evolve in parallel to the virus.
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corvids mutate too
few have three eyes or two beaks
most die from old age
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corvids mutate too
few have three eyes or two beaks
most die from old age
Saw this guy in Westeros a few years back.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwa8tY_cfHie_G75Ivi03_L524mB248OqcrQ&usqp=CAU)
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It's a picture of what Ralph thinks of himself
HA HA what feeble joke. I never watched much of game of thrones though the Raven goes back to Poe and even Greek mythology. Who cares
https://www.natureinfocus.in/nature-digest/the-raven-s-third-eye
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41.5M doses administered in Canada of all types....
2222 adverse reactions (0.005% of all doses)
134 deaths were reported; however,
31 are still under investigation
56 of these deaths are unlikely linked to a COVID-19 vaccine
41 deaths could not be assessed due to insufficient information.
6 deaths followed a diagnosis of TTS [1]
Even considering all 134 reported deaths as a worst case, your chance of dying from a Covid vaccine is .00032% or 1:310000 The actual number based on this is still lower yet.
For comparison, to really illustrate how the anti-vaxxers or hesitant do not comprehend risk or basic statistical analysis....
The odds of dying from a motor-vehicle crash in 2019 were 1 in 8,393 [2]
The odds of dying from heart disease is 1 in 6 [2]
The odds of dying from a lightening strike is 1 in 138,849 [2]
The odds of spontaneous death is 1 in 300,000 [3]
Odds of dying from covid is 3 in 100 or 1 in 33.33 globally.
[1] COVID-19 vaccine safety: Weekly report on side effects following immunization - Canada.ca: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety/
[2] Odds of Dying - Injury Facts (nsc.org): https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying/
[3] Sudden Cardiac Death (SCD): Symptoms, Causes (clevelandclinic.org): https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/17522-sudden-cardiac-death-sudden-cardiac-arrest
Who are the ones living in fear really?
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I was trying to avoid this conversation but.....
"Odds of dying from Covid globally - 3 in 100" ????? Where did this come from? The population is just shy of 8 billion people. To keep the math simple, just a bit more than 4 million covid deaths worldwide. That's 1 in 2000 or 3 in 6000. Certainly NOT 3 in 100. Also keep in mind that this is the death toll not for a single year, but for the entire pandemic. That makes the numbers even further from your figure. Stuff like this doesn't help a bit. Just sayin'
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the death rate among people who have tested positive is 2 to 3%. Don't take that lightly as in both cases actually number that get covid and die from it are seriously under reported in many if not most parts of the world. In countries like Canada. Those who have covid and get sick enough to require hospitalization get the best care available. In most other countries they may get none! Those who get it, don't get tested and have no access to quality health care do not.
Covid has never been a disease that had the ability to kill huge numbers of people comparable to smallpox etc. It has had the capability to overwhelm health care systems around the world and has come close to doing that in countries with state of the art health care systems.
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Yes, that may be true. My point is, don't mislead people by saying that 3 in 100 people die of covid globally when you mean 3 in 100 people "infected" with covid die globally. BIG difference! Especially when you're (not you, Ralph) quoting stats about lightening strikes and auto crashes. I bet a lot more people die in auto crashes that were actually in auto crashes! A lot of people, myself included, just want honest facts. This doesn't make someone an "anti - vaxxer". It doesn't mean that you think they're injecting you with a microchip. Good grief..... Who thinks that? Answer - Nobody. It's truly troubling that we've come to a point in society where if you dare ask a question that's contrary to the accepted thought, you're immediately given a label. Sad....
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Yes, that may be true. My point is, don't mislead people by saying that 3 in 100 people die of covid globally when you mean 3 in 100 people "infected" with covid die globally. BIG difference! Especially when you're (not you, Ralph) quoting stats about lightening strikes and auto crashes. I bet a lot more people die in auto crashes that were actually in auto crashes! A lot of people, myself included, just want honest facts. This doesn't make someone an "anti - vaxxer". It doesn't mean that you think they're injecting you with a microchip. Good grief..... Who thinks that? Answer - Nobody. It's truly troubling that we've come to a point in society where if you dare ask a question that's contrary to the accepted thought, you're immediately given a label. Sad....
At this point the science is overwhelming.
Vaccines are our only path out of the pandemic. They have been proven safe and effective beyond any previous vaccine simply because of the scale of the pandemic and the number of vaccines given. Anyone not getting a vaccine is relying on everyone else to get a vaccine to protect them. Some people are unvaccinated because they can't take the vaccine (age or illness). Some people are unvaccinated, or are not well protected by the vaccine due to their immune system is compromised due to illness or medication. These are the people that we all need to protect. Those that choose not to get vaccinated are selfish. It's not a label, it's a fact. Do your part. Get the jab.
What do you know? What do you not understand? "asking questions" is anti-vaxxer code for spreading conspiracy theory so please seek out reputable medical professionals.
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Covid in North America has killed people in numbers comparable to cancer & heart disease. it has killed about as many as many people as all accidents, stroke and respiratory diseases combined. In it's first 12 months it killed about 7 & 1/2 times as many people as the flu did in the previous 2 flu seasons. The covid situation has seen many essential diagnostic tests being delayed or even being not available due to the stress it has put on the health care system. I've been told I can't have a certain test for a medical condition because of the pandemic. Stories in the news this week (Globe and Mail July 17th) report that nurses and other health care professionals are quitting in record numbers because of the stress and overwork associated with the pandemic. The death rate is really just one statistical parameter and certainly not the only one that matters.
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"Asking questions is anti-vaxxer code"??? Are you serious? What a ridiculous statement!
First of all, I never once said that I was anti-vax. I think vaccines are a modern marvel. I also never questioned the severity of the disease. I simply tried to point out that posting grossly misleading comparative stats does not help the effort to convince those who still have questions. True to form, labels immediately followed - "anti-vaxxer", "selfish". The very basis of science is to ask questions. This "Don't ask questions - JUST OBEY!!!!" attitude is going to take us backwards.
I knew I should of stayed out of this.......
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"Asking questions is anti-vaxxer code"??? Are you serious? What a ridiculous statement!
First of all, I never once said that I was anti-vax. I think vaccines are a modern marvel. I also never questioned the severity of the disease. I simply tried to point out that posting grossly misleading comparative stats does not help the effort to convince those who still have questions. True to form, labels immediately followed - "anti-vaxxer", "selfish". The very basis of science is to ask questions. This "Don't ask questions - JUST OBEY!!!!" attitude is going to take us backwards.
I knew I should of stayed out of this.......
Now you're really sounding like an anti-vaxxer. I'll be happy to interpret any stat you have concern with. Ask away.
You can choose to be part of society by learning about the disease and the vaccines and getting the jab, or you can choose to be selfish.
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Huh??
Have you even read the post I was referring to?
I'm way too busy for this stuff.
I'll leave you with my favourite Mark Twain quote: "Never argue with a stupid person. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
Have a great day!
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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/21/china-covid-coronavirus-origin-500523
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I simply tried to point out that posting grossly misleading comparative stats does not help the effort to convince those who still have questions
you are right on both counts - the comparative statistics listed were a bit of a muddle and it is ok to ask questions about that. They are correct as far as I could see but involve differences in time periods. Indeed about 1 in 6 people will die of a heart attack over the course of a life span of 78 years (it's a US stat). However we only have covid statistics for a year and a few months so it's an apples and oranges comparison.
On the other hand we have no idea what the odds would be if covid had been allowed to follow some natural course without mask orders, lock downs gathering restrictions and so on in pursuit of a naturally induced herd immunity. If covid proceeded like the influenza pandemic of 1918/19 comparative world death rates could have been 200 million or more.
So we have to keep in mind simply pointing out this sort of error doesn't really change the perspective of the current pandemic or say much one way or the other about how serious it is or how important it is to get fully vaccinated.
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Huh??
Have you even read the post I was referring to?
I'm way too busy for this stuff.
I'll leave you with my favourite Mark Twain quote: "Never argue with a stupid person. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
Have a great day!
Questioning random statistics to justify your anti-vaccine position in the face of overwhelming evidence is moronic. Stop acting like a child.
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Yes, that may be true. My point is, don't mislead people by saying that 3 in 100 people die of covid globally when you mean 3 in 100 people "infected" with covid die globally. BIG difference!
Indeed you have an excellent point, and I should have worded that a little (lot) better...
The accepted standard among UNVACCINATED (and before any vaccines were utilized) was a 97% Recovery Rate.
Both sides of the discussion still readily use that number on a daily basis.
Translates to a 3 % Mortality Rate = 3 out of 100 or 1 in 33.33.
If you look at cumulative numbers overall since the initial inception of the virus, you will see that rate has dropped by a significant degree. It now includes any and all that received a single dose or a double dose of the vaccine yet still managed to be infected.
We are discussing over a million deaths - prevented.
Which should indicate to most that the vaccines are actually doing their jobs in preventing serious illness, hospitalizations, and yes, death.
Apologies about the original presentation, and hope this addresses the matter in a clearer manner.
Nog
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Appreciate that acknowledgement, Matt. Pretty sure we're all pulling on the same rope here.
I admit to being a bit naďve on these sites. My lifetime posts are about the same as your daily totals! (Still the best salmon candy recipe on the planet, BTW)
But I am astonished at how quickly something like pointing out a misleading stat evolved into me being called a selfish, anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist, moronic, child!
Lol!! That's why I fish and hunt! All good......
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But I am astonished at how quickly something like pointing out a misleading stat evolved into me being called a selfish, anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist, moronic, child!
Unfortunately I am seeing that on a much more frequent basis, and escalating in nature, from both sides of the camp on this matter.
Hope folks can get around themselves, and focus upon what is best for them and their communities without the vitriol!
Cheers & Best of Luck in the pursuits this year!
Nog
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Further developments:
WHO Demands ‘Audits’ Of Chinese Labs, Admits First Cases Didn’t Come From Huanan Wet Market
The World Health Organization (WHO) is demanding that “audits” be conducted of Chinese labs in the vicinity of where the first cases of SARS-CoV-2 were identified — a development that comes at approximately the same time that the organization admitted that the first cluster of cases did not come from a nearby wet market in Wuhan.
In May, The Wall Street Journal reported that three researchers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) — China’s only Biosafety level-4 laboratory — were hospitalized in November 2019 with symptoms consistent with COVID-19, according to a previously undisclosed U.S. intelligence report.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/w-h-o-demands-audits-of-chinese-labs-admits-first-cases-didnt-come-from-huanan-wet-market
China Responds:
Covid: China rejects WHO plan for second phase of virus origin probe
The WHO wants to audit laboratories in the area the virus was first identified.
But Zeng Yixin, deputy health minister, said this showed "disrespect for common sense and arrogance toward science".
Speaking at a press conference on Thursday, Mr Zeng said he was extremely surprised by the WHO proposal because it focused on alleged violations of China's laboratory protocols.
He said it was "impossible" for China to accept the terms, adding that the country had submitted its own origins-tracing recommendations.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57926368
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But I am astonished at how quickly something like pointing out a misleading stat evolved into me being called...
it's because vaccine hesitancy and misinformation is costing lives. People are dying because that nonsense convinces them not to get vaccinated. Some covid victims lying on their death bed now plead to get the vaccine not realizing it has to be administered before a person gets an active case:
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564114-im-sorry-but-its-too-late-doctor-says-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-asking?amp
An Alabama doctor is opening up about her experience treating those hospitalized for the coronavirus amid a resurgence of cases, saying dying patients are asking her to vaccinate them.
"One of the last things they do before they're intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I'm sorry, but it's too late," Brytney Cobia, a hospitalist at Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham, wrote on Facebook this week.
"A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same," Cobia added.
Alabama has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country, with only 33 percent of its population fully vaccinated, according to data from John Hopkins University.
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On other fronts:
Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines are not ‘cytotoxic’
Posts are sharing the false statement that the spike protein in COVID-19 vaccines is cytotoxic, suggesting that it kills or damages cells. There is no evidence to support this. YouTube video with the caption: “Spike protein is very dangerous, it’s cytotoxic (Robert Malone, Steve Kirsch, Bret Weinstein).”
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-cytotoxic-idUSL2N2O01XP
Fact Check-No evidence spike proteins from COVID-19 vaccines are toxic
There is no proof that spike proteins created in response to mRNA vaccines are harmful to the body, scientists have told Reuters. The claim was made by immunologist Byram Bridle.
https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...rom-covid-19-vaccines-are-toxic-idUSL2N2NX1J6
If you see something that has Byram Bridle or Robert Malone you can disregard it as misinformation.
Scientists often disagree with each other, that is part of the scientific process. They submit evidence-based arguments in scientific journals when they disagree. They don't go on obscure YouTube channels to make their one sided case.
Cheers,
Nog
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"Asking questions is anti-vaxxer code"??? Are you serious? What a ridiculous statement!
First of all, I never once said that I was anti-vax. I think vaccines are a modern marvel. I also never questioned the severity of the disease. I simply tried to point out that posting grossly misleading comparative stats does not help the effort to convince those who still have questions. True to form, labels immediately followed - "anti-vaxxer", "selfish". The very basis of science is to ask questions. This "Don't ask questions - JUST OBEY!!!!" attitude is going to take us backwards.
I knew I should of stayed out of this.......
Don't worry dude. Lots of people like us still have backbone to ask questions. The masses have become so brainwashed now they wouldn't be able to find their way out of a wet paper bag without the government helping them. Since when has the government never lied to the public or pharmaceutical companies covered up evidence of wrongdoings ? Oh yes,ALL THE TIME !! BUT HEY, J&J knowingly lied to the public about Baby powder and opioids. Now they have to pay up for two separate crimes. Don't worry tho, that vaccine they're producing is totaly safe.
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From
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-will-not-follow-whos-suggested-plan-2nd-phase-covid-19-origins-study-2021-07-22/ (https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-will-not-follow-whos-suggested-plan-2nd-phase-covid-19-origins-study-2021-07-22/)
"One key part of the lab leak theory has centred on the Wuhan Institute of Virology's (WIV) decision to take offline its gene sequence and sample databases in 2019.
When asked about this decision, Yuan Zhiming, professor at WIV and the director of its National Biosafety Laboratory, told reporters that at present the databases were only shared internally due to cyber attack concerns."
But really this is just the tip of the iceberg. China has taken all it's biological sequence data offline in the last couple of years.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-china-bgi-dna/ (https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-china-bgi-dna/)
"Beijing made clear in a 2019 regulation that genetic data can be a national security matter, and since 2015 it has restricted foreign researchers from accessing gene data on Chinese people."
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a Typhoon appears
she hates everyone the same
"CAW, CAW, CAW" she screams!
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What’s your damage little boy?
You name call a gent
a wise man who asks questions
rod building legend
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Cases have started rising in BC due to Delta. We are still under 50% fully vaccinated and no longer have the luxury of time to tolerate the anti-vaxxers. They are a direct threat to our safety and will lead to reinstatement of restrictions.
Here is Louisiana for reference.
https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1418198376999313412?s=21
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The following is a very interesting read:
Why some people don't want a Covid-19 vaccine
Social media is rife with posts disparaging the vaccine hesitant – but these reactions to a complex and nuanced issue are doing more harm than good.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210720-the-complexities-of-vaccine-hesitancy
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/meet-the-unvaccinated-why-some-canadians-haven-t-had-a-shot-1.6115270 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/meet-the-unvaccinated-why-some-canadians-haven-t-had-a-shot-1.6115270)
"of the 403,149 COVID-19 cases reported in Ontario between December 14, 2020 and July 10 of this year, just 0.4 per cent were so-called "breakthrough cases'' — COVID-19 infections in people who had received their second doses 14 days prior.
About 4 per cent of all cases reported in that seven-month period were people who were partially vaccinated with just one dose. The rest, of course, were unvaccinated."
"In the U.S., the Centers for Disease Control estimates that 97 per cent of the people who have been admitted to hospital recently with COVID-19 are unvaccinated."
"According to Public Health Agency of Canada data, there have been only 2,222 serious adverse events reported post-vaccination in Canada as of July 9. That's just 0.005 per cent of all doses administered."
Seems like it's safe and it works.
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https://www.ft.com/content/ae58b9c6-c115-41d8-b102-4e1815248701 (https://www.ft.com/content/ae58b9c6-c115-41d8-b102-4e1815248701)
Pfizer is starting clinical trials of a new vaccine that specifically targets the delta variant.
paywall on ft...
https://cdn.pfizer.com/pfizercom/2021-07/Delta_Variant_Study_Press_Statement_Final_7.8.21.pdf?IPpR1xZjlwvaUMQ9sRn2FkePcBiRPGqw (https://cdn.pfizer.com/pfizercom/2021-07/Delta_Variant_Study_Press_Statement_Final_7.8.21.pdf?IPpR1xZjlwvaUMQ9sRn2FkePcBiRPGqw)
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CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said new data shows the delta variant, which accounts for more than 80% of the new infections in the U.S., behaves "uniquely differently'' from its predecessors and could make vaccinated people infectious.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/07/27/covid-vaccine-variant-hospitalization-children-mask-mandates/5380480001/
With reports of Phizer and others creating new vaccines to fight new varients, I stick with comments that we live in a forever covid world. I keep being proven right day in and day out.
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CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said new data shows the delta variant, which accounts for more than 80% of the new infections in the U.S., behaves "uniquely differently'' from its predecessors and could make vaccinated people infectious.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/07/27/covid-vaccine-variant-hospitalization-children-mask-mandates/5380480001/
With reports of Phizer and others creating new vaccines to fight new varients, I stick with comments that we live in a forever covid world. I keep being proven right day in and day out.
So? The option is to get vaccinated or catch Delta and likely get sick.
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CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said new data shows the delta variant, which accounts for more than 80% of the new infections in the U.S., behaves "uniquely differently'' from its predecessors and could make vaccinated people infectious.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/07/27/covid-vaccine-variant-hospitalization-children-mask-mandates/5380480001/
With reports of Phizer and others creating new vaccines to fight new varients, I stick with comments that we live in a forever covid world. I keep being proven right day in and day out.
Did you read the rest of that article?
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https://globalnews.ca/news/8067149/covid-19-interior-health-announcement/
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Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from COVID-19
People who had recovered from COVID-19, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits versus controls when controlling for age, gender, education level, income, racial-ethnic group, pre-existing medical disorders, tiredness, depression and anxiety.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00324-2/fulltext
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Pfizer, Moderna vaccines granted full approval by Health Canada
Health Canada announced both Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna’s mRNA vaccines have been formally granted full approval for anyone aged 12-and-up in the country.
This comes after the interim order for both vaccines expired on Thursday.
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/09/16/health-canada-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca-name-change/
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What we have now is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. https://globalnews.ca/news/8155095/bc-modelling-latest-august-2021-step-4/
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I currently know two double vaxxed people who are sick as a dog with Covid. So I just don’t know anymore. For what it’s worth I am double vaxxed.
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I currently know two double vaxxed people who are sick as a dog with Covid. So I just don’t know anymore. For what it’s worth I am double vaxxed.
Delta has CHANGED the game. Letting it out of India was hands down the most dangerous things our leaders let happen
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I agree
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Closing our borders in no way guarantee that the Delta or any other virus can be kept out. Every country on this planet have tried and failed.
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I am actually rather surprised... CBC of all things!
How a failed deal with China to produce a made-in-Canada COVID-19 vaccine wasted months and millions
Chinese vaccine company seized, deleted half of Fifth Estate interview with top executive
The federal government's failed collaboration with a vaccine manufacturing company in China early in the pandemic has led to a delay of nearly two years in efforts to create a made-in-Canada COVID-19 vaccine.
"I think there's no doubt it has set us back years," Davies said. "When you're in a global pandemic, that is deadly, that costs lives."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cansino-deal-canada-nrc-fifth-estate-1.6208241
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I currently know two double vaxxed people who are sick as a dog with Covid. So I just don’t know anymore. For what it’s worth I am double vaxxed.
My boss recently died from covid and he was double dosed. The holes in this vaccine are starting to show. It's what many whistle blows said at the beginning of the rollout. It doesn't work AND it causes ADE. YOULL need a booster for the rest of your life since the shot kills your immune system and you become dependent on a vaccine that doesn't work.
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My boss recently died from covid and he was double dosed. The holes in this vaccine are starting to show. It's what many whistle blows said at the beginning of the rollout. It doesn't work AND it causes ADE. YOULL need a booster for the rest of your life since the shot kills your immune system and you become dependent on a vaccine that doesn't work.
Sorry about the death of your boss.
And there is a substantial body of reliable data/studies to show that the COVID-19 vaccine does not "kill" your immune system or cause ADE.
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Likewise, Hike and Fish very sorry to hear about the death of your boss. I know of a few people who caught Covid despite being fully vaccinate. As mentioned in a previous post my wife's Uncle died from his 2nd go 'round with covid. however he was over 100 years old with some serious underlying health issues.
ADE; Anti-body Dependent Enhancement - "ADE is when a disease is made worse or more severe in a person who was already exposed to the virus through a previous infection or vaccination compared to people who were never exposed or vaccinated."
currently according to most conventional sources little or no evidence that associates ADE with previous infections of Covid19 or any cOVID19 vaccine:
So far there have been no verified reports of ADE occurring as a result of COVID-19 vaccines.
ADE is when a disease is made worse or more severe in a person who was already exposed to the virus through a previous infection or vaccination compared to people who were never exposed or vaccinated.
ADE has been seen in the past with virus and vaccine responses:
Dengue fever and its 2016 vaccine deployment in the Philippines
Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) vaccine trials on children in the United States (U.S.) in 1967
A now-rejected vaccine developed for measles in the U.S. in the 1960s.
In the process of making COVID-19 vaccines, scientists developed vaccine strategies around avoiding ADE. These include:
Specifically targeting a SARS-CoV-2 protein that was the least likely to cause ADE in early vaccine design
Designing animal studies to search for ADE after vaccination
Evaluating human and clinical trial patients for the condition
Searching real world COVID-19 vaccine data for cases
from: https://health-desk.org/articles/are-covid-19-vaccines-causing-antibody-dependent-enhancement
other sources:
https://immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/do-mrna-vaccines-cause-antibody-dependent-enhancement-ade-covid-19-disease
Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) has not been identified as a concern related to SARS-CoV-2 infection or following COVID-19 vaccination. Here are reasons indicating why ADE will not be a concern:
First, most people have been infected with other coronaviruses in their lifetime, and ADE has not been identified as a result of these infections.
Second, in human studies, people previously infected with coronavirus were infected with different types of coronavirus, and they did not experience enhanced disease.
Third, experimental animals vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 did not develop enhanced disease when challenged, or infected, with the virus.
Finally, when people with COVID-19 received plasma containing SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, they did not experience enhanced disease.
For these reasons, ADE is not expected to be a concern for SARS-CoV-2 infections or vaccination.
the scientific Journal Nature outlines in technical language used to reduce any chance of ADE development from Covid vaccines.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5
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Unvaccinated migrants being welcomed into Canada at Roxham Road
The Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA) has confirmed to True North that unvaccinated illegal border crossings are being allowed at Roxham Road, Quebec.
According to CBSA spokesperson Sandra Boudreau, the Canadian government is accepting asylum and refugee claims “regardless of their vaccination status.”
https://tnc.news/2021/12/01/unvaccinated-migrants-being-welcomed-into-canada-at-roxham-road/
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Well, it looks like omicron is only susceptible to about 2.5-3% of the antibodies we produce to the current vaccine. Fortunately a third shot boosts antibody levels by about 25 times the levels of a second shot, giving something like a 70% chance of immunity to symptomatic infection.
In the meantime omicron spreads exponentially, and we wait for a omicron specific booster. By which time there, of course, will be a new variant of concern. Looks like boosters every 6 months.
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Well, it looks like omicron is only susceptible to about 2.5-3% of the antibodies we produce to the current vaccine. Fortunately a third shot boosts antibody levels by about 25 times the levels of a second shot, giving something like a 70% chance of immunity to symptomatic infection.
In the meantime omicron spreads exponentially, and we wait for a omicron specific booster. By which time there, of course, will be a new variant of concern. Looks like boosters every 6 months.
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Apparently this event is what caused the WHO to list this a a Variant of Concern.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/03/world/omicron-norway-christmas-party.html
Oslo Norway Party
Around half of the people who attended an office Christmas party in Oslo, where only vaccinated employees were admitted, have tested positive for the coronavirus after one guest recently returned from South Africa was found to carry the new Omicron variant, local health authorities said on Friday.
More than 120 people attended the event, held a week ago by a solar power company. Of the positive tests sequenced so far, between 15 and 20 were likely to be the Omicron variant, according to Dr. Tine Ravlo, a local chief physician involved in tracking the outbreak, who added that not all of the 60 coronavirus cases found so far had yet been fully checked for the variant.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2300503-omicron-variant-may-make-christmas-party-infection-risk-much-higher/
One of the events was a party at a restaurant in Oslo, Norway. Around 70 of the 120 people who attended the party were infected, as were another 50 people at the restaurant. Omicron has been confirmed by sequencing in 13 cases so far.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2300503-omicron-variant-may-make-christmas-party-infection-risk-much-higher/#ixzz7EyBW4QVj
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Dr. Robert Malone. The self acclaimed "inventor" of the mRNA technology.
Double Vaxxed. Scheduled for his booster already.
Yet vehemently opposed publicly to his supposed own achievements.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/
You can't make this chit up... ;D
Nog
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Dr. Robert Malone. The self acclaimed "inventor" of the mRNA technology.
Double Vaxxed. Scheduled for his booster already.
Yet vehemently opposed publicly to his supposed own achievements.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/
Good read, thanks for the link! Malone seems like just another charlatan willing to sell his soul for fame, Twitter followers, and paid podcast appearances. Hopefully he'll fade back into irrelevance as COVID eventually dies down.
Unrelated, but I get strong Wiebo Ludwig vibes from this guy, based partly on his appearance and partly on his headstrong, adversarial outlook on the world. There's a book about Ludwig, Saboteurs, that's quite good.
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Dr. Robert Malone. The self acclaimed "inventor" of the mRNA technology.
Double Vaxxed. Scheduled for his booster already.
Yet vehemently opposed publicly to his supposed own achievements.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/
You can't make this chit up... ;D
Nog
Lamo The Atlantic. Awh yes. The prestigious Atlantic. The outlet that never spread misinformation and fake news. Oh no. Never. Sorry Noggan but when someone uses the Atlantic as a source of fact, I must pipe up. Put the kool-aid down before you drop.
You people and your vaccines are halarious. I said it back when this whole thing started and you didn't believe me. I'll say it again. It's never going away and if you still think governments are flying by the seat of their pants and doing their best you're still a fool.
Made in a lab in China with the aid of the USA. NEVER GOING AWAY, ITS HERE TO STAY. They have varrients on top of varrients all used to spook you into taking whatever shot they have so they can keep closing in on your privacy. If you don't see that now..... you're a lost cause.
Good bye !
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Got my booster last week in Cloverdale. Made it just before the big snowfall started that evening and the place was quite busy. Glad to see so many kids there too!
Took about 40 mins to get the shot after getting in line. Felt a little nauseous on and off for the next 36 hours but wasn't too bad. I didn't have any side effects from the first shot but got a fever and felt crappy after the second. All three shots were Moderna FWIW.
Noticed that CBC today stopped reporting the number of new cases and instead are only reporting changes in hospitalizations and deaths. Fauci's said that most people are going to catch it during this wave so I guess the number of new cases isn't a good indicator of much anymore.
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Got my booster on the 5th so it's week ago and my immunity should be nicely boosted! No real side effects other than the usual soreness around the injection site. Pfizer 3x. I am walking and talking like Bill Gates now & soon will be his doppelganger! ;D
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https://www.yahoo.com/now/breaking-news-gop-oversight-cmte-161200836.html
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/fauci-rand-paul-moron-covid-latest-b1992060.html
Fauci vs Rand Paul full video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz7OGxb9X6E
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Got my booster on the 5th so it's week ago and my immunity should be nicely boosted! No real side effects other than the usual soreness around the injection site. Pfizer 3x. I am walking and talking like Bill Gates now & soon will be his doppelganger! ;D
Great to hear! Hope you stay safe.
We may be headed towards functional shutdowns at my workplace due to COVID infections. It's a strange and stressful time but we'll see how it plays out.
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Here’s what I think for what it’s worth. Whether you’re for or against the vaccine you should definitely have the choice. It’s the division between family, friends etc that is horrible. When either side starts referring to each other as “you people” that’s no good.
Here’s what I know. I am double vaxxed and got Covid two weeks ago. It amounted to nothing more than a mild cold. My wife who is immune compromised is triple vaxxed did not get it, not even a single symptom. Was it the vaccine that helped ? I’d like to think so but it’s just my opinion.
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It seems like its almost an inevitability as the circle of people I know more are being exposed.
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For whatever reason, and there may be good ones, BC has been very slow off the mark on getting people their 3rd vaccine. Of our family in Ontario, all have had their 3rd vaccine including the kids who are in their 20s. My bro-in-law got a 4th shot this week. I got the email that I was now qualified Dec 17th and when I booked the only available place to get the next vaccine was at BCIT which is close to a 20 minute drive ...if you have a car! Earlier in 2021 there were at least 2 vaccine clinics in New west as well as some nearby in Burnaby. The family in Ontario had almost immediate access to PCR tests.
I don't think there are plans to impose fines or taxes on the un-vaccinated in BC but who knows? Those who aren't will likely get the virus over the next months or so. Thanks that the vast majority of people living in BC were responsible enough to get vaccinated up to the recommended level. In the meantime the standard advice applies - reduce your contacts, wear a mask & get your vaccinations up to date as soon as possible.
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Bonni henry just said
45% of hospitalizations are incidental and not due to covid and most of the hospitalizations due to covid are delta.
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Well, i was out for a day ( or two ) after my second vaccination. They are now talking about 4-th dose and I am sure they'll be talking 5th dose soon. The virus keeps mutating so we might never be fully protected and given how quickly new strains come trying to keep up seems absolutely pointless.
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not much different than the flu in that respect but with a higher fatality rate & incidences of long lived complications. The common cold is such a bugbear because it mutates frequently but seldom causes death or other life affecting change.
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Well, let's not assume that vaccinations have no side effects, especially when they are so frequent. We really have no data at this point.
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Well, let's not assume that vaccinations have no side effects, especially when they are so frequent. We really have no data at this point.
Of course there are side effects. Just look at the record amount of soccer players dropping dead of heart attacks on the field than previous years. All of them were vaccinated. The media had no problems showing state run communit media footage of chineese in Wuhan dropping dead in the streets back in March 2020 but there is ZERO coverage of people dropping dead of heart attacks after a vaccination. In FACT heart attacks world wide have increased but they'll tell you it's because of stress from the pandemic.
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Well, let's not assume that vaccinations have no side effects, especially when they are so frequent. We really have no data at this point.
This has nothing to do with what I said.
There is a multitude of data. Every vaccine into an arm is a data point. The total number of vaccine given is to date is 9.37 billion;
https://www.google.ca/search?q=how+many+covid+vaccines+given+in+world&sxsrf=AOaemvJnEhPV1n--esQFVJCsvjq_fOzc_w%3A1642230158042&source=hp&ei=jXHiYY3aPIiV0PEP2IuK4Ao&iflsig=ALs-wAMAAAAAYeJ_nhyYDSOlJ8-YJIg1YGO9AWHduxOJ&oq=how+many+coid+vaccines+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYATIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDToECCMQJzoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBEKMCOggILhCxAxCDAToICAAQgAQQsQM6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBENEDOggILhCABBCxAzoFCAAQgAQ6CwguEIAEELEDEIMBOggIABCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6CggAELEDEIMBEAo6BAgAEAo6BwgAELEDEAo6BggAEA0QCjoGCAAQFhAeUABYySdgjUhoAHAAeACAAeUBiAHFIJIBBjAuMjAuM5gBAKABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz
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Of course there are side effects. Just look at the record amount of soccer players dropping dead of heart attacks on the field than previous years. All of them were vaccinated. The media had no problems showing state run communit media footage of chineese in Wuhan dropping dead in the streets back in March 2020 but there is ZERO coverage of people dropping dead of heart attacks after a vaccination. In FACT heart attacks world wide have increased but they'll tell you it's because of stress from the pandemic
This goes round and round. Back in October you said the vaccines caused ADE. Now it’s causing heart attacks.
On January 5, you said Good bye. And yet you’re still here! Thank you for your patience in trying to get through to us “fools” and “lost causes”.
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Even if the vaccines aren't super effective against variants, still seems worth it to get them. I get the flu shot every year. Some years it provides more protection than others. Some years the protection is negligible. Either way, the added protection is a freebie, even if the annual vaccine doesn't match up well against the dominant strain that year.
They're also working on oral antiviral pills to combat COVID infection. Even if you're resigned to catching it eventually, the longer you hold off, the better and more readily available the treatments will be.
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This has nothing to do with what I said.
I was not responding to anything specific you said.
There is a multitude of data. Every vaccine into an arm is a data point.
This shows vaccinations. No data on side-effects.
The total number of vaccine given is to date is 9.37 billion;
Yeah, that number is larger than world's population - just to put this into perspective.
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I was not responding to anything specific you said.
then it was a non-sequitar wasn't it? Exactly what were you referring to?
This shows vaccinations. No data on side-effects.
oh I must have fooled myself! (sarcasm)
you are of course familiar with the procedures for collecting & recording vaccine side effects? Maybe not.
Yeah, that number is larger than world's population - just to put this into perspective.
yes it is - perhaps because many people have received 2, 3 and even 4 vaccines?
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Well, about 80% of Canada's population is vaccinated with two doses. BC is at 84%. Yet we just had over 40,000 7-day average new cases reported recently.
Do more doses of same vaccine give better protection for new strains?
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For BC
Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Dec. 30 to Jan. 12)
Not vaccinated: 53.8
Partially vaccinated: 26.9
Fully vaccinated: 10.6
from: https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2022HLTH0015-000058
so better than half of new hospitalized cases over the 2 weeks ending Jan 12 is among the 10% or so of the population that is not vaccinated.That number is going down as more and more people who have not been vaccinated get infected with the new variant. that is also why some specialists believe the crest of the omicron wave is approaching.
Those who are vaccinated but become infected with Omicron tend to experience less severe illness or asymptotic infection & shed a lower virus count for a shorter period of time.
It is recommended than people who get vaccines get additional doses every 6 months or so because field data suggests immunity protection tends to drop after about 6 months
On the basis of published results from vaccine trials and other data sources, they estimated that people immunized against COVID-19 would lose approximately half of their defensive antibodies every 108 days or so. As a result, vaccines that initially offered, say, 90% protection against mild cases of disease might only be 70% effective after 6 or 7 months
from: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02532-4
it is also believed the current vaccine group (Pfizer, Moderna) yield lower effective immunity against the Omicron variant. You should note that means more vaccinated people will become infected on exposure to the omicron variant than to the previous known variants. Specifically rather than 90% or protection within a population it will be statistically significantly lower than 90%.
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I just got over this round of Covid. And I’m vaccinated. It wasn’t to bad. But I think this is because I had Covid in Nov also and that one messed me up! I don’t know if the vaccine really helped me in Nov. I was crushed from That one. It was 2 weeks of hell !!! But this round is very mild. Which I’m thanking the antibodies. And vac combo lol. I got it my second round of the vid from my ex and kids. My ex works for Fraser health and she’s triple vacs. She was layed out from it. But that was her first time getting the vid. I’m not getting my third shot I don’t really see the point in it.
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The fact that you can get reinfected is the most depressing part IMHO. Glad you got over it much more easily this time around Danielk!
I've heard lots of COVID stories through work that make me wary... not everyone that gets very sick (or develops long COVID) is old or already stricken by another illness. Some part of it is just randomness and/or good old-fashioned bad luck.
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This goes round and round. Back in October you said the vaccines caused ADE. Now it’s causing heart attacks.
On January 5, you said Good bye. And yet you’re still here! Thank you for your patience in trying to get through to us “fools” and “lost causes”.
Heart attacks are a side effect of the vaccine yes. This is a fact. It's a proven fact.
And YES you do become dependent on the vaccine. Folks who don't recive the booster do jave weakened immune systems. You'll be taking version 1.1 and 1.2 and so on forever. But hey.... its fine because you're the test subject and you're protecting others.
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the mRNA vaccines have a rare link to heart inflammation and inflammation of the heart lining. That is not heart attack. The incidence is very low. The biggest risk with any vaccine is anaphylaxis & it's why a person who gets a vaccine is supposed to remain at the site for 15 minutes.
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. I have congestive heart failure and arrhythmia so I might know a thing or two . I'm also 2 weeks out from finding out I had covid. Double vaxed, had the booster today and NO ill effects whatsoever (other than metal objects clinging to me. ;D). I feel fine and the Royal Canine Prince is still getting walks. Covid slowed me down for a short while but I'm still here and plan on being here for a while yet.
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Glad you're doing well Bill!
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Glad you're doing well Bill!
Thanks Dave. I just sold my business and retired after 42 years. We're moving to Salmon Arm in the spring if we can sell the house. Maybe I can go fishing with Shuswap Steve ;)
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Health Canada approves Pfizer's COVID-19 therapeutic
Pfizer's Paxlovid, an antiviral prescribed by a doctor and administered in pill form, is designed to help the body fight off the SARS-CoV-2 virus, reduce symptoms from an infection and shorten the period of illness.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/health-canada-pfizer-therapeutic-1.6317505
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And more good news with regards to vaccines. Researchers at a university in the US have developed a new vaccine that is based on conventional methods of vaccine development. It is a non- MRNA vaccine called CORBEVAX. They are willing to share this information for free, especially with countries that cannot afford the current high priced vaccines being offered by pharmaceutical companies. Currently there is a company in India that is manufacturing this vaccine to get it out to their population ASAP. Hopefully this will allow as many people as possible to get vaccinated against COVID 19 in the world.
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Health Canada approves Pfizer's COVID-19 therapeutic
You would think that the hesitant ones and the antis would be all over this one like a fat kid on a Smartie.
After all it is pretty much exactly what they have been demanding...
Not from what I am seeing.
First the anti's scream It is simply rebranded Ivermectin. Nope:
How Does Pfizer's Paxlovid Compare With Ivermectin?
"A new rumor claims that Paxlovid, Pfizer's Covid drug, is merely a "dressed up" ivermectin molecule with little difference other than price. The term "Pfizermectin" is even being used to emphasize this. But biochemical and pharmacokinetic data say otherwise. Here are the numbers.
Bottom line:
It is abundantly clear that the "Pfizermectin" myth is just that. PF-07321332 is a potent enzymatic inhibitor of Mpro with proven efficacy in clinical trials. Ivermectin has very poor potency in this same assay. Ivermectin, if it works at all, is certainly not functioning as a protease inhibitor.
Based on in vitro studies, Ivermectin is a weak inhibitor of viral replication in cultured cells.
But the antiviral inhibition of ivermectin is weak enough that even at high or multiple doses of the drug blood concentrations do not reach its cellular assay IC50 of 2µM.
PF-07321332 is a potent inhibitor in both the enzymatic and call-based assays.
The drug reaches and remains at blood concentrations sufficient to inhibit 90% of viral replication in cells for one day and does so well below toxic levels.
These data tell us that ivermectin neither inhibits the viral protease in an enzyme-based assay nor slows the production of virus in cells while Pfizer's drug does both. If ivermectin is proven to be an effective Covid treatment it must be acting by some yet-unknown mechanism."
https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/12/02/how-does-pfizers-paxlovid-compare-ivermectin-15967
And:
Fact Check-Pfizer's trial COVID-19 drug is not the same as ivermectin
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-pfizer-idUSL1N2R11T5
Next of course it There have been NO Clinical Trials! Wrong again:
"After months of clinical trials, Pfizer reported in November that Paxlovid reduced the risk of hospitalization or death by an impressive 89 per cent compared to a placebo in non-hospitalized high-risk adults with COVID-19."
So the fallback: It's too new. Don't trust it. My Body My Choice.
Whatever. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. Regardless of how long you hold his head under.
Nog
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I read the original paper about ivermectin. The study was done in cell culture (basically in a petri dish) and seemed like good work. They actually saw ivermectin shut down viral replication. So that much is true.
The problem is, they had a great deal of trouble getting ivermectin through the cell membrane and in to the cells where it could do it's work. For the in vitro study they were forced to add a chemical called DMSO which allowed the ivermectin in.
In a living human body, enough DMSO to do the job would be deadly, so there is no way of getting the ivermectin in to affected cells, and it does not work.
The hype surrounding ivermectin is what happens when people only read the title of a scientific study, and don't bother to read deeper in to the materials and methods.
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my otherwise prim and proper, PC Bro-inlaw sent us this link. When I saw it I thought his email had been hacked.
Beware it is filled with profanity & may not be suitable for distribution to all your friends and relatives (defintely NSFW) but it really is a kind of funny swipe at all the vaccine skeptics and anti-vaccer's
I've converted it to tiny url to keep banned words & phrases off the discussion board:
https://tinyurl.com/4ww5pa4a
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Thanks for the laugh Ralph, just what i needed. ;D
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The hype surrounding ivermectin is what happens when people only read the title of a scientific study, and don't bother to read deeper in to the materials and methods.
I suspect part of the hype also comes from a misunderstanding of correlation vs causation. No doubt there are thousands of covid patients that took invermectin, and recovered! Doubtless they would have recovered anyways, but in the re-telling of the story, ivermectin was the cure. Similarily, I suspect the same thing linking vaccination and cardiac illness as one member is prone to do.
An elderly neighbour of my parents has a daughter who is an outspoken anti vaxxer and conservative media personality. The dad was admitted to hospital with covid, his daughter asked the doctors if invermectin and hydroxychloroquine would be part of his care plan, was told no, so she brought it in for him. He recovered and was released. On social media she wrote: "It’s a great day hanging w/my dad, who survived Covid with 8 Vitamin D3, zinc, 2 X 1000 vitamin C, 12 mg IVM and 200mg hydroxychloroquine (no thanks to Canada’s deplorable medical protocols), NO vaccination and now has natural immunity for the rest of his life" Sadly he died a few days later at home, of a stroke they believe.
https://tinyurl.com/4ww5pa4a
:)
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Just got invited to get my third booste, i'm on the fence about.
It does not seem like the Big O has been that bad for people with two doses.
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recently published data showing that just having second shot diminishes effectiveness of avoiding hospitalization down to about 44% while 3rd booster gets you back into the 80's.
worth a read but mainly check out the table on page 27:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1048395/technical-briefing-34-14-january-2022.pdf
finally got the email to get my 3rd as well, will be booking soon. I've got three kids in school and at this rate, most everyone will get exposed to it. Whatever I can do to mitigate the risks to myself and others.
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I decided to book it, got in same day as in today for 10:50am
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They asked if I wanted Pfizer or moderne, went with Pfizer
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Awesome wildman, that's a quick turn-around!
Sounds like my folks in Vernon caught it but it's mild for them. They're both triple vaxxed. Can't say it's COVID for sure though because testing is now limited to workers in high-risk settings (group homes, schools, prisons) or those with underlying conditions that make them more susceptible to severe illness.
The daily cases count has become officially useless as a metric since they're not testing people with clear COVID symptoms anymore. If you can manage your symptoms at home, the health authorities direct you not to seek testing and wait it out. That's fine, I suppose, but the media reporting that daily cases are falling is disingenuous.
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I read the original paper about ivermectin. The study was done in cell culture (basically in a petri dish) and seemed like good work. They actually saw ivermectin shut down viral replication. So that much is true.
The problem is, they had a great deal of trouble getting ivermectin through the cell membrane and in to the cells where it could do it's work. For the in vitro study they were forced to add a chemical called DMSO which allowed the ivermectin in.
In a living human body, enough DMSO to do the job would be deadly, so there is no way of getting the ivermectin in to affected cells, and it does not work.
The hype surrounding ivermectin is what happens when people only read the title of a scientific study, and don't bother to read deeper in to the materials and methods.
It ripped thru my household. Special thanks to the BC government for the lax rules about NOT informing patrents about outbreaks in schools. None of us have the poison injection. All 4 of us had one day where it was difficult to breath. Treated with Ivermectin, VD, VC, Zinc, Quercetin and a high dose steroid inhaler. Everyone was was to normal after 3 days each. The treatments work 100% and shame on governments for falling victim to the WHO protocols who take orders from pharmaceutical companies. We had instant relief with breathing difficulties thanks to the steroid inhaler. We all woke up one morning struggling to breath. The inhaler was the ticket for higher oxygen in the blood.
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OOO that sounds scary! I am glad you and family came through it ok. I use a steroid nasal spray for sinus polyps. While it shrinks the polyps it also associated with an increase of bleeding incidents. I was out with the wife for walk this morning and blood starts dripping out my nose. can't say it is the spray but as I started getting the bleeds before I used the spray. Still steroid inhalation has a long list of reported side effects like:
Shortness of breath, troubled breathing, tightness in chest, or wheezing
signs of hypersensitivity reactions, such as swelling of face, lips, or eyelids
burning or pain while urinating, blood in urine, or frequent urge to urinate
chest pain
creamy white, curd-like patches in the mouth or throat and/or pain when eating or swallowing
dizziness or sense of constant movement or surroundings
general feeling of discomfort or illness
irregular or fast heartbeat
itching, rash, or hives
sinus problems
stomach or abdominal pain
swelling of fingers, ankles, feet, or lower legs
unusual tiredness or weakness
weight gain
Bleeding from rectum or bloody stools
blurred vision or other changes in vision
diarrhea or nausea
fainting or feeling faint
fever
frequent urination or unusual thirst
growth inhibition in children
high blood pressure
increased fat deposits in face, neck, and trunk
increased skin pigmentation
loss of appetite
menstrual changes
mood or mental changes
numbness
pain or burning in chest
vomiting
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My armpit is sore and swollen in the arm I got my shot. Happened to me after the first shot but not the second. Guess it’s back again for the third hope it goes away in a couple days like it did the first time.
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OOO that sounds scary! I am glad you and family came through it ok. I use a steroid nasal spray for sinus polyps. While it shrinks the polyps it also associated with an increase of bleeding incidents. I was out with the wife for walk this morning and blood starts dripping out my nose. can't say it is the spray but as I started getting the bleeds before I used the spray. Still steroid inhalation has a long list of reported side effects like:
Shortness of breath, troubled breathing, tightness in chest, or wheezing
signs of hypersensitivity reactions, such as swelling of face, lips, or eyelids
burning or pain while urinating, blood in urine, or frequent urge to urinate
chest pain
creamy white, curd-like patches in the mouth or throat and/or pain when eating or swallowing
dizziness or sense of constant movement or surroundings
general feeling of discomfort or illness
irregular or fast heartbeat
itching, rash, or hives
sinus problems
stomach or abdominal pain
swelling of fingers, ankles, feet, or lower legs
unusual tiredness or weakness
weight gain
Bleeding from rectum or bloody stools
blurred vision or other changes in vision
diarrhea or nausea
fainting or feeling faint
fever
frequent urination or unusual thirst
growth inhibition in children
high blood pressure
increased fat deposits in face, neck, and trunk
increased skin pigmentation
loss of appetite
menstrual changes
mood or mental changes
numbness
pain or burning in chest
vomiting
Better than the side effects from the V like DEATH. When you have a family member suffer a heart attack hours after taking the shot...... you can say something.
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Pretty scary to have your family find it difficult to breath. I'm glad you guys came through OK.
Obviously we disagree on this issue, but "Ivermectin, VD, VC, Zinc, Quercetin and a high dose steroid inhaler" sounds more poisonous than the injection...
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Pretty scary to have your family find it difficult to breath. I'm glad you guys came through OK.
Obviously we disagree on this issue, but "Ivermectin, VD, VC, Zinc, Quercetin and a high dose steroid inhaler" sounds more poisonous than the injection...
If you knew what was in the injection, you wouldn't say that.
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the recorded rate of thrombosis (not deaths) associated with the various covid-19 vaccines is 3.55 per million (non mRNA vaccines) and 0.57 per million for mRNA based vaccines. (from the CDC Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting system)
Comparative risks;
in Canada the death rate per year from traffic accidents is about 5 in 100,000 (carinsurance.net) and about 11 per 100,000 (2019) in the US (injuryfacts.ns.org).
the rate of death from Heart disease in general in Canada was 189 per 100,000 in Canada in 2019.
The huge differential in rates between common deaths in the community and those related to Covid vaccine illustrates the fears of consequences from the vaccine are wildly exaggerated and by most measures - all but non-existent.
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This aired last night.
I am surprised at the CBC actually.
Should be must viewing for all who are concerned regardless of which side of the fence you find yourself on:
https://gem.cbc.ca/media/the-fifth-estate/s47e01?cmp=GEM_cbc.ca_homepage_shelfnew
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This aired last night.
I am surprised at the CBC actually.
Should be must viewing for all who are concerned regardless of which side of the fence you find yourself on:
https://gem.cbc.ca/media/the-fifth-estate/s47e01?cmp=GEM_cbc.ca_homepage_shelfnew
remember how this was brushed off as a conspiracy made up by the right.
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.....had my first two doses....got covid from an outbreak at work before Christmas ..... cold like symptoms for a couple of days....going for my booster of dead babies and microchips tomorrow...... ::)
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Guys at work were told they were suppose to wait 3 months after covid to get their boosters.
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.....wife's doctor told her 30 days..... had her booster yesterday ......was asked if she felt well,no inquiry of if or when she had covid .....no reaction or effects so far ....
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The whole idea of getting the vaccine is to get the body to produce antibodies (and B and T cells) to the virus without actually being infected.
When an unvaccinated person is infected, the body will produce antibodies to the virus, but it takes awhile. In the meantime the virus replicates unimpeded, perhaps causing severe infection. It's kind of a race between the immune system and the virus. After two shots, antibody levels are high and any virus that enters the body is (hopefully) attacked by the antibodies so that it can't replicate.
After a few months the body slows and eventually stops producing those antibodies. Why waste energy making antibodies to a virus that's not there? However, the body "remembers" having made those antibodies before by producing "memory B cells". These cells contain instructions for making those specific antibodies. The body's reaction time to the virus is much faster then an unvaccinated person, and the infection is usually mild. A third shot causes the body to start making antibodies again.
Now omicron has quite a few changes (32 in the spike protein alone) compared to both the original variant and the vaccine. Only a small percentage of the antibodies to the vaccine attack omicron. Apparently if you are freshly boosted and your antibody levels are high, that small percentage is often enough to prevent illness. If it has been a few months, you still get the fast reaction time from the memory B cells, and illness is mild.
Getting infected with omicron does the same thing as getting a booster. The body ramps up antibody production. In fact, for the long term, a mild omicron infection is better because the new antibodies (and B and T cells) are specific for omicron.
So if you are vaccinated and have had a confirmed (by test) mild case of omicron, your antibody levels will remain high for a few months and you don't need an immediate booster.
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As an aside, I read about an unvaccinated woman who purposefully got herself infected so she could could have "natural immunity". Sadly she passed away.
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Surprise no one mentioning the trucker protest convoy. I just noticed it in passing. So this a protest by unvaccinated truckers who don't want to get vaccinated? Isn't that the same as an anti-vaxx protest that happens to be by one particular group.
My buddy in Montreal is a trucker and he got vaxxed as soon as he could. Last year he made about $160k. I kid you not. Nice gig.
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It started as a trucker protest, but has grown leaps and bounds beyond that now.
And btw, the majority of those involved are vaccinated.
Nog
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the various trucker associations (employer based) say most truckers are vaccinated - on the order of 90%. I have seen no reliable information on what % of the various people involved in the Freedom convoy protests are vaccinated.
It was well known the border crossing vaccine mandate was coming. It's been in place for virtually all other travelers for some time. It was also coordinated between the 2 Federal Governments. People in other occupations have lost their jobs because they refused to get a vaccine when required.
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The protesters want choice... thankfully they have a choice. They just don't like the consequences that come with making the choice not to get vaccinated. It's surprising to me which hills some people choose to die on.
In other news, everyone in our house is sick with COVID now. Our kid, Little Citrus, brought it home from daycare and my wife and I are both sick now too. We've both had three shots, and so far it's been a drag but not serious. Little Citrus is too young for the vaccines. LC had one bad day with puking and fever (apparently that's a common first sign of Omicron in younger kids) but has been pretty well otherwise.
Going to try not going crazy, being cooped up inside with a toddler for the next week ::)
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Going to try not going crazy, being cooped up inside with a toddler for the next week ::)
What's worse, cooped up inside with a toddler or having Omicron? ;)
Get well soon.
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Hope all of you get well soon Blood Orange - especially "Little Citrus" :D
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What's worse, cooped up inside with a toddler or having Omicron? ;)
Why not both? :P
Thanks Rod and Ralph, we're lucky to have mild cases so far. Our daycare had five confirmed cases in the last 48 hours (including ours). Crazy how fast it's spreading.
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All the best and speedy recovery to the Bloody Oranges fam!
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my cousin is triple vaccinated and infected for the second time in 6 months. My in laws have now also had it, 1/3 of my work now has had it. all this spread has happened between vaccinated to vaccinated.
most were sick for about 3 days, but a few had symptoms a bit longer.
the good part is you only have to isolate for 5 days now from the first day you had symptoms so most people are back to work in no time.
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my cousin is triple vaccinated and infected for the second time in 6 months. My in laws have now also had it, 1/3 of my work now has had it. all this spread has happened between vaccinated to vaccinated.
most were sick for about 3 days, but a few had symptoms a bit longer.
the good part is you only have to isolate for 5 days now from the first day you had symptoms so most people are back to work in no time.
Sounds like the current variant/vaccine matchup will keep you out of hospital but not prevent infection. Pretty rough getting it twice in six months though...
If symptoms only last three or four days then I'll be happy with that. Most of my concern is towards the kiddo who isn't vaccinated. Our daycare had five confirmed cases (including ours) in the last 48 hours. One of the other daycare kids developed pneumonia and was taken to Children's Hospital yesterday. Haven't heard anything more but hopefully they're back home now.
A good chunk of my family is sick right now and they all got it from different places. The common thread is school/daycare transmission, though.
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I got Covid on or about December 30. Amounted to a bad head cold. Only difference was the the fatigue was much worse and still lingering. Hid in my bedroom for five days and wore mask in the house for a further five days. No one else in my house got sick.