Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rodney on July 14, 2020, 03:35:29 PM
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Anglers and others who frequent the Chilliwack/Vedder rivers should be aware that the Sumas First Nations will be conducting DFO authorized net fisheries in the lower river near the confluence of the Sumas and Vedder rivers in an effort to meet Food, Social and Ceremonial (FSC) needs. This selective fishery will be targeting chinook salmon while avoiding stocks of concern such as Chilliwack and Cultus Lake sockeye. This fishery could commence as early as July 16th and continue into August. Anglers and boaters should take required actions to avoid this net presence which will be marked with buoys and avoid them.
The Recreational fishing community has collaborated with the Sumas First Nation to facilitate safe and orderly fisheries for both anglers and the First Nations fishers. This fishery will be monitored and catch results will be provided to DFO weekly. We are hopeful that respect and consideration will evident on the river for all fishers.
Further information will be provided as available.
Fraser River Sportfishing Alliance
Bc Federation of Drift Fishers
Fraser Valley Salmon Society
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I guess Rod will be taking his family to kamloops to permote lake fishing and all the sports fisherman of the Fraser valley will be getting rid of there equipment .and Tackle shop owners will be the hardest hit . Mark my words you will see more of this come September on ! Iam done !
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told you all this was comming. They have applied to the IFMP for this fishery for a few years now.
If it makes you feel better Murray Ned the lead Sumas fishies man is also a director in the pacific salmon foundation. Aka where your money from the salmon stamps go.
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This should make for a pretty empty river. What is the expected return, and what escapement is anticipated?
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Any knowledge of when this is taking place? And the duration?
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I believe in river net fisheries have taken place before. As to when - the message says further info will provided as it becomes available.
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This SHOULD be a peak year for Chilliwack Lake sockeye, yes? There have been FN openings for that run in the past.
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I guess Rod will be taking his family to kamloops to permote lake fishing and all the sports fisherman of the Fraser valley will be getting rid of there equipment .and Tackle shop owners will be the hardest hit . Mark my words you will see more of this come September on ! Iam done !
Kamloops?! Nah, too dry. 😉
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Well that shouldn't create any conflicts 😒 a net fishery at the confluence of the sumas/Vedder, where many boats come and go to access a boat launch? I tell you that couldn,t be any worse of an idea.
How long are these nets allowed to be? Will they be a day light hours set only? What could go wrong.........
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The Recreational fishing community has collaborated with the Sumas First Nation to facilitate safe and orderly fisheries for both anglers and the First Nations fishers. This fishery will be monitored and catch results will be provided to DFO weekly. We are hopeful that respect and consideration will evident on the river for all fishers.
Further information will be provided as available.
Fraser River Sportfishing Alliance
Bc Federation of Drift Fishers
Fraser Valley Salmon Society
That was nice of these three orgs to collaborate such an agreement on behave of the recreational fishing community.
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I’m actually surprised it opened when it did I fully expected them to keepnit closed to rec fishing till FN had their share.
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I’m actually surprised it opened when it did I fully expected them to keepnit closed to rec fishing till FN had their share.
I'm really surprised anyone thinks there is enough chinook in the chilliwack system to warrant a gill net fishery until August . But ofcourse that's the idea behind it all is it not.
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So, I assume they will be allowed a net in October as well if the do not receive their share of reds ?
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So, I assume they will be allowed a net in October as well if the do not receive their share of reds ?
You can bet on that......
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So I am hoping someone is better at finding data than i am. I have been looking for probably 2 hours with no success.
I am looking for Summer Chinook release and return data for Chilliwack hatchery Chinook. NOT fall Chinook.
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So I am hoping someone is better at finding data than i am. I have been looking for probably 2 hours with no success.
I am looking for Summer Chinook release and return data for Chilliwack hatchery Chinook. NOT fall Chinook.
This information has gotten harder to find, and I don't think I ever saw returns to the hatchery, just releases. From what I remember, the production of summer chinook was half the size of fall chinook - so 1 million fall fish released, 500,000 summer fish released. Now the fall chinook program is being doubled to 2 million (for the orcas) but I don't think they plan to increase the summer production.
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the release for 2017 was 521k+ per the final brood report issued in Feb 2019. I guess the number of does needed for that sort of production is 100 to 150?
It does seem to me the actual return is much lower than what one would expect for that size of release. Even at 1% that would mean around 5000 adults. Most realistic estimates I have heard has been is perhaps in the hundreds let alone the thousands.
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So, I assume they will be allowed a net in October as well if the do not receive their share of reds ?
I believe there also is a plan for a September 20-October 20 fsc fishery to take place in the same area.
someone needs to take the excess stock of Chinooks.
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I'd rather have seen DFO shut down rec fishing on the CV instead. That would allow the sockeye to pass through safely while still addressing the FN complaint that the rec fishers are catching fish before they are. Was planning on going out tomorrow... will still go and keep my fingers crossed that the nets stay away one more day 8)
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the release for 2017 was 521k+ per the final brood report issued in Feb 2019. I guess the number does needed for that sort of production is 100 to 150?
It does seem to me the actual return is much lower than what one would expect for that size of release. Even at 1% that would mean around 5000 adults. Most realistic estimates I have heard has been is perhaps in the hundreds let alone the thousands.
Ya I am not sure the 520k represents summer chinook releases only. I estimate far less than a 1% return based on that number. Like you I would guess this run to be in the 1500-2500 pieces at very most and that I honestly think would be on the high side.
Ralph do you have a link to data for this number?
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I'd rather have seen DFO shut down rec fishing on the CV instead. That would allow the sockeye to pass through safely while still addressing the FN complaint that the rec fishers are catching fish before they are. Was planning on going out tomorrow... will still go and keep my fingers crossed that the nets stay away one more day 8)
Deffinitly the better of 2 evils option if a guy had to choose just one. But let's face it, the majority will never hear of this opening, continue to buy licences and tackle from the local shops, and go home thinking they just didn,t find them, not knowing they just are not there.
This satisfys both FN requirements and allows tackle shops to sell gear. Money and greed is what the salmon sector has become.
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I believe there also is a plan for a September 20-October 20 fsc fishery to take place in the same area.
someone needs to take the excess stock of Chinooks.
Excess stock? Where?
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This information has gotten harder to find, and I don't think I ever saw returns to the hatchery, just releases.
Dam near impossible to find. Unlike the province who gives detailed reporting numbers on stockings. I mean really how hard is it to keep these records.
How is it I can find steelhead stocking reports with one Google input, but can't find anything on DFO,s most important portfolio?
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Excess stock? Where?
Fall chinook in the Chilliwack is almost all excess.
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Ya I am not sure the 520k represents summer chinook releases only. I estimate far less than a 1% return based on that number. Like you I would guess this run to be in the 1500-2500 pieces at very most and that I honestly think would be on the high side.
Ralph do you have a link to data for this number?
https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/sep-pmvs/data-donnees/2019/SC&NC-IFMP-2019-PSR-eng.htm
yes it is the summer red chinook only. I remember hearing there are years that less than 600 fish reach the hatchery.
Here is the same report for 2018:
https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/sep-pmvs/data-donnees/2020/SC&NC-IFMP-2020-PSR-eng.htm
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https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/sep-pmvs/data-donnees/2019/SC&NC-IFMP-2019-PSR-eng.htm
yes it is the summer red chinook only. I remember hearing there are years that less than 600 fish reach the hatchery.
Here is the same report for 2018:
https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/sep-pmvs/data-donnees/2020/SC&NC-IFMP-2020-PSR-eng.htm
Thanks Ralph!
What a disaster. I may fish 1-2 for reds each year as it really is not worth the effort anymore, knowing returns are so dismal. I was considering a boat trip or 2 next week, but I think I will for go that so I am not part of the problem.
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Fall chinook in the Chilliwack is almost all excess.
To some, but their numbers are not near what they were before and the River sure misses the nutrients the excess used to provide. Excess is a strong statement when the excess gets turned into dog and other crap food at the EWOS plant, instead of providing essential nutrients.
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https://www.theprogress.com/news/sumas-first-nation-pilots-eight-inch-gill-net-fishery-in-sumas-vedder-river/
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" Gill nets" as a pilot until the end of August. What a joke...........
Why did anyone bother trying to protect endangered cultas sockeye the last 30years with this type of crap being allowed to happen.
I don't care what people say about the selective 8" mesh, it will kill sockeye and it will kill cultas sockeye. Just look at the test fishery being conducted on the Fraser with 8" mesh, guaranteed there will be sockeye numbers included.
Oh and a tooth tangle fishery pilot, possibility?
Why are they not piolting a less intrusive fishery such as a wheel. Oh that's right because it takes more time, more persons and more effort. Gill net takes 2 persons, twice a day, a wheel would require full days maybe rotating shifts.
Yes I'm very disappointed this is being sold to the public in the paper as a pilot project to gather information..........joke!
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The hatchery had summer chinook returns back to the hatchery of
2017 -885
2018- 874
2019- 1455
They give this info out at Sfac meetings you guys should attend.
To put the survival in perspective fall chinook returns to the hatchery were
2017-8897
2018- 13811
2019- 5664
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Yes, this is where i grew up fishing... my dad born in 1932 taught me the area.....
I still remember catching numerous coho / springs in the Sumas as a kid.
Yes, i grew up with Murray Ned and i used to hang out a bit at Sumas reserve. Back in the day there was a boxing faciltiy we used to train in.......
Yes, i am horrified to think of gill nets being used in this stretch of the river.
Why can't we all just give the springs a chance... This is a quiet part of the river running deeper water where the springs had some peace and quiet before heading up river. Too slow water to get a good drift.... We used to bar fish in the canal back in the day... LOL
Can't we all acknowledge the precarious position our various local salmon runs are all in.
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https://www.theprogress.com/news/sumas-first-nation-pilots-eight-inch-gill-net-fishery-in-sumas-vedder-river/
Chris, do you know if there will be a fisheries plan made public for this FN opportunity with info on the number of days of netting, specific days identified (such as they do for the Fraser openings) and a target number of fish caught? How many gill nets will be in the river at one time? At this point I am hoping just one.
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The hatchery had summer chinook returns back to the hatchery of
2017 -885
2018- 874
2019- 1455
They give this info out at Sfac meetings you guys should attend.
To put the survival in perspective fall chinook returns to the hatchery were
2017-8897
2018- 13811
2019- 5664
Thanks, good info and advice.
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Chris, do you know if there will be a fisheries plan made public for this FN opportunity with info on the number of days of netting, specific days identified (such as they do for the Fraser openings) and a target number of fish caught? How many gill nets will be in the river at one time? At this point I am hoping just one.
Sorry I donot know. I would suggest you contact DFO and see if you can get the information you are asking.
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Summer chinook returns last year to the chehalis hatchery were 1035 this is apparently about average they returned 600 to the river. They conducted 2 swims in August and counted about 300 each time
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Chris, do you know if there will be a fisheries plan made public for this FN opportunity with info on the number of days of netting, specific days identified (such as they do for the Fraser openings) and a target number of fish caught? How many gill nets will be in the river at one time? At this point I am hoping just one.
It reads to
Me that it’s going to be set up like a test fishery. 1 net fishing every day for a set amount of time.
Although the story also used the term gill nets as in plural so who knows.
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The hatchery had summer chinook returns back to the hatchery of
2017 -885
2018- 874
2019- 1455
They give this info out at Sfac meetings you guys should attend.
To put the survival in perspective fall chinook returns to the hatchery were
2017-8897
2018- 13811
2019- 5664
Thankyou wildmanyeah for the info.
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https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/sep-pmvs/data-donnees/2019/SC&NC-IFMP-2019-PSR-eng.htm
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Here is the same report for 2018:
https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/sep-pmvs/data-donnees/2020/SC&NC-IFMP-2020-PSR-eng.htm
Thanks so much. Like the OP I've looked for this info before without success. Now that I know what to search for, it appears the parent page is here:
https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/sep-pmvs/projects-projets/ifmp-pgip-eng.html#ifmp-post
Also has the production plans for 2020
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Hmm, curious. It looks like the Chilliwack Hatchery is producing Thompson coho? Here's the explanation in the spreadsheet. See line 43.
"In addition to existing target at Spius facility (65K smolts), an additional 120K smolt release by Chilliwack Hatchery is planned. This additional production and tagging of Coldwater Coho began in 2016 to meet fishery recovery precision requirements for Pacific Salmon Treaty implementation."
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I wonder how much effort will be put into this fishery? Not a lot of fish in this chinook run anyway at this time of year and the run timing is short. I donot think this is the best area to drift net as anyone that boats in the lower Canal area and the Sumas know how many snags there is. Gosh with all the mosquitoes in this area this year that would be enough to keep me away, not worth the effort.
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Yes, this is where i grew up fishing... my dad born in 1932 taught me the area.....
I still remember catching numerous coho / springs in the Sumas as a kid.
Yes, i grew up with Murray Ned and i used to hang out a bit at Sumas reserve. Back in the day there was a boxing faciltiy we used to train in.......
Yes, i am horrified to think of gill nets being used in this stretch of the river.
Why can't we all just give the springs a chance... This is a quiet part of the river running deeper water where the springs had some peace and quiet before heading up river. Too slow water to get a good drift.... We used to bar fish in the canal back in the day... LOL
Can't we all acknowledge the precarious position our various local salmon runs are all in.
As a sportsfisherman, i'd like to know where I stand. Is this a shared resource? If it is can stringing a gill net across the mouth of a river and virtually blocking anything from getting through be considered sharing? I'm not opposed to First Nations having rights to fish for Food, Social and Ceremonial use but as group that is part of the "share" shouldn't it be communicated to us just how many fish are needed? How many fish are going to be taken out? These are essentially hatchery fish. What is the role of the hatcheries? Isn't it to create a put and take fishery for all to share?
When we were allowed to fish for Red springs in the Fraser using selective methods, the River was shut down for Sportsfishing when there was too much BB going on (rightfully so).
What about the illegal nets on Other small systems? What is being done about it? Certainly its not your everyday sportsfishermen that is deploying these nets?
I am sick and tired about how sportsfishermen get portrayed every time we bring up these questions. This is not just a casual hobby for me. It has become part of my life. I've invested a lot of time and money into this. I don't like the way this is going.
I've worked with conservations groups before. I'm all for conservation. I would put down my rod right now if I knew it would help the wild stocks rebuild.
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https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CeremonialOpeningTimes.html
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Thanks so much. Like the OP I've looked for this info before without success. Now that I know what to search for, it appears the parent page is here:
https://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/sep-pmvs/projects-projets/ifmp-pgip-eng.html#ifmp-post
Also has the production plans for 2020
Thanks for finding that. Excel files can be downloaded and the table filtered for what you'd like to look at so one doesn't have to sift through hundreds of lines of data.
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As a sportsfisherman, i'd like to know where I stand. Is this a shared resource? If it is can stringing a gill net across the mouth of a river and virtually blocking anything from getting through be considered sharing? I'm not opposed to First Nations having rights to fish for Food, Social and Ceremonial use but as group that is part of the "share" shouldn't it be communicated to us just how many fish are needed? How many fish are going to be taken out? These are essentially hatchery fish. What is the role of the hatcheries? Isn't it to create a put and take fishery for all to share?
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Unfortunately the SCOC long ago (close to 40 years) specified the priority of access to salmon. There is no question First Nations have priority over all other users regardless if the fish are from a wild natural run or produced from some form of enhancement. In a sense it is fortunate that recreational access is continuing while the FN harvest takes place.
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This is a DFO response i've seen posted online. Im not sure about the part about SFAB sharing infor online media. not sure i seen that anywhere.
here is some summary info. about this fishery that gets underway today.
• Tier 3 call (DFO/FN/SFAB) regarding this fishery took place on 13.Jul.
• SFAB Reps were posting info. about this fishery thru various media portals
• Sumas FN is looking to release a press release about their fishery soon.
• DFO is also working on signage to be posted.
• DFO and Sumas FN have been working on some of the finer details regarding the fishing plan. As an initial step, the high level details includes a fishery Thursday to Sunday for up to 4 nets with catch monitoring. C&P and RCMP are expected to be on the grounds to support this initial fishery.
• DFO and Sumas will meet 20.Jun. to review the fisheries details to develop the fishing plan going forward.
• Next Tier 3 call DFO/FN/SFAB planned for 21.Jun.
• Limited Participation Licence has been issued to Sumas First Nation to harvest Chinook Salmon using up to 4 set gillnets with 8” (inches) mesh or greater on the Sumas/Vedder River from Keith Wilson Bridge to the confluence of the Fraser River from Thursday, July 16 at 12:00 pm to Sunday, July 19 at 9:00 pm.
• Reminder that Info./ details re: the fishery are posted to DFO website at the following link http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/fraser/abor-autoc-eng.html#Lower_Fraser_River
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Wild man I noticed you said the lower returns were mostly due to higher catch rate in river. That is a 100% hard no. The red spring fishery makes steelheading look like pink season. I would be shocked if there was more then 100 killed by rec guys each year. The only time it would be higher then that is in years long past when there used to be a few thousand come back combined with lower water. I participate in this fishery almost daily and it really isn’t that productive.
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Wild man I noticed you said the lower returns were mostly due to higher catch rate in river. That is a 100% hard no. The red spring fishery makes steelheading look like pink season. I would be shocked if there was more then 100 killed by rec guys each year. The only time it would be higher then that is in years long past when there used to be a few thousand come back combined with lower water. I participate in this fishery almost daily and it really isn’t that productive.
I was talking about the fall chinook numbers last year (returned to hatchery) compared to previous years (2018- 13811 VS
2019- 5664). I removed the comment because i though it would confuse people looks like Ralph quoted me before i removed it.
You will note in my post that the returns of summer chinook to the hatchery last year were higher than previous years.
sorry for the confusion and thanks for the clarification
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You know, I may just have to get my my a.. out there in the boat tonight, seems to me there must be a sh.. load of excess fish coming.
3.4 days with no daylight restrictions for up to 4 nets, hmmmm.
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here is some summary info. about this fishery that gets underway today.
• Reminder that Info./ details re: the fishery are posted to DFO website at the following link http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/fraser/abor-autoc-eng.html#Lower_Fraser_River
Is it known what the allocation is or if there is a specific target?
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https://www.theprogress.com/news/fishing-groups-calling-for-respect-on-the-lower-fraser-this-summer/?fbclid=IwAR03CLTKo8AKEoe6w4pJKdq38Xfa7ZZxmvk16JgnlqOcjMmyEAn5xAVmrHQ
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Hi All – please note the following info. regarding this fishery that gets underway today.
• Tier 3 call (DFO/Sumas FN/SFAB) regarding this fishery took place on 13.Jul.
• SFAB Reps were posting info. about this fishery thru various media portals
• Sumas FN to release a press release about their fishery
• DFO is also working on signage to be posted
• DFO and Sumas FN have been working on some of the finer details regarding the fishing plan. As an initial step, the high level details includes a fishery Thursday to Sunday for up to 4 nets with catch monitoring. C&P and RCMP are expected to be on the grounds to support this initial fishery
• DFO and Sumas will meet 20.Jun. to review the fisheries details to develop the fishing plan going forward
• Next Tier 3 call planned for 21.Jun.
• Limited Participation Licence has been issued to Sumas First Nation to harvest Chinook Salmon using up to 4 set gillnets with 8” (inches) mesh or greater on the Sumas/Vedder River from Keith Wilson Bridge to the confluence of the Fraser River from Thursday, July 16 at 12:00 pm to Sunday, July 19 at 9:00 pm
• Reminder that Info./ details re: the fishery are posted to DFO website at the following link: http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/fraser/abor-autoc-eng.html#Lower_Fraser_River
Please feel free to forward this info. to others.
BARBARA MUELLER
Resource Management, Fraser and Interior Area
Pacific Region Fisheries and Oceans Canada
barbara.mueller@dfo-mpo.gc.ca |Tel. 604.666.2370
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Is it known what the allocation is or if there is a specific target?
As many as they can in the 3.4days is what I am gathering.
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Funny eh, RCMP are going to be on hand to assist with the fishery. Are they expecting conflict? What is the reason for this? Is this now a closed area to recreactional fishers, boaters, tubers?
I can,t get RCMP to show when I call about shots fired in very close proximity to the trans Canada trail in a no firearms location beside the chilliwack river rd. But they will park themselves on the river for 3 days to assist in the gill netting pilot project?
Is this to protect everyone? Or intimidate other users other than fn gill net workers?
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And so it starts. Summer Red springs now. Fall Chinook and coho to follow. Fraser closed to salmon fishing for us and they supposedly not getting enough Fraser River salmon so now FN will go after the only decent fishery we have left. The end of the sports salmon fishery in the Fraser Valley is on the horizon ladies and gentleman. I grew up fishing the Fraser River with my Dad showing me the ropes. It was a way of life. My dad and his friends be rolling over in their graves to know of what it has become. :'(
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Is there any data to show when the sturgeon spawning in the sumas canal actually migrate back out of the system and Into the Fraser ?Hopefully they have all made it out . Many of theses fish are perfect size to become entangled in this 8” mesh .
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Fishery must not be very eventful, have not seen any pictures online
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Fishery must not be very eventful, have not seen any pictures online
I think Chris will be right, not a lot of effort will go into this now, but it's great practice for later.
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I think Chris will be right, not a lot of effort will go into this now, but it's great practice for later.
I heard all they caught on the first day was 1 chinook.
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Found them: https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CeremonialOpeningTimes.html
Another opening on the Vedder.
Wonder if any data on the pilot fishery last week is available to the public?
I do see some fish were caught by recreational fishers after the nets where removed.
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Seeing as most 70+ percent of the Chinook run should be in and or winding down... what’s the target species through august ? Is it not possible for the fn people to create a separate fishery off the sumas with a hatchery ? Surely they can use their licence fees and find the resources ! There’s a few creeks and sections connected to the sumas that have proved valuable spawning habitat for For chum and coho alike . Why not create and mange their own fishery ....
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Seeing as most 70+ percent of the Chinook run should be in and or winding down... what’s the target species through august ? Is it not possible for the fn people to create a separate fishery off the sumas with a hatchery ? Surely they can use their licence fees and find the resources ! There’s a few creeks and sections connected to the sumas that have proved valuable spawning habitat for For chum and coho alike . Why not create and mange their own fishery ....
That would involve money. Where would it come from ?
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I think Chris will be right, not a lot of effort will go into this now, but it's great practice for later.
are we going to be paying them to be netting in the fall??
"the Lower Fraser Fisheries Alliance Society will receive approximately $679,000 over four years to contribute to an improved understanding of stock status and trends through the development of passive integrated transponder tag mark-recapture techniques for hatchery Coho salmon in the Chilliwack River during spawning migration. The infrastructure developed for this project will be used to inform future work on stock level studies of Fraser salmon"
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are we going to be paying them to be netting in the fall??
"the Lower Fraser Fisheries Alliance Society will receive approximately $679,000 over four years to contribute to an improved understanding of stock status and trends through the development of passive integrated transponder tag mark-recapture techniques for hatchery Coho salmon in the Chilliwack River during spawning migration. The infrastructure developed for this project will be used to inform future work on stock level studies of Fraser salmon"
I will never fish fresh water salmon in a Fraser trib if they net the Chilliwack. I won't even buy a salmon license.
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There are several First Nation FSC openings for the Chilliwack/Vedder and Chehalis River in the next week or so which anglers should be aware of.
Sts’ailes and Scowlitz First Nation and Fisheries and Oceans Canada have agreed to an opening on the Chehalis River commencing Thursday July 30th to Wednesday August 5th (daily).
· Time: Daylight hours only 0600 hours to 2100 hours
· Gear: Hook and Line, Spear or gaff
· Area: Those waters below the Canyon Pool to the confluence of the Chehalis River at the Harrison River
· Target Species: Chinook (retention)
· By Catch Species: Summer Run Steelhead (Non Retention) No other Salmon expected at this time
· Monitoring: Sts’ailes will provide a monitor for the FSC fishery and also collect recreational creel data
· Enforcement: C&P and RCMP have both been involved in supporting the fishery and the monitors and will have presence on the fishery.
· Collaborative work is being designed to enhanced data collection (DNA, CWT, time of encounters, etc).
· Ongoing dialogue between DFO, First Nation and the Recreational community.
· Expectation is to continue to plan similar fisheries moving forward, including presence of RCMP and DFO C & P.
· The fisheries will be monitored and reported on daily and all catch reports submitted 24 hours after the fishery is over.
Sumas First Nation and Fisheries and Oceans Canada have agreed to continue the fishery from the previous week. There was an indication from Sumas regarding the fishery to be moved to weekdays after this opening with discussions to continue to scope out further opportunities after this weekend.
· Thursday July 30, 2020 - 12:00pm to Sunday August 2, 2020 - 9:00pm (81 hours total)
· Max 4 Set nets using 8” mesh or greater with a 3:1 hang ratio and is selective for chinook harvest
· Fisheries to take place in those waters from Kieth Wilson Bridge to the confluence of the Sumas into the Fraser
· Attendance of nets, as the nets are expected to be close proximity so that the vessels can access and check nets regularly.
· Chinook is the only species authorized to be retained all other species to be released.
· Collaborative work is being designed to enhanced data collection (DNA, CWT, time of encounters, etc).
· Ongoing dialogue between DFO, First Nation and the recreational community.
· Expectation is to continue to plan similar fisheries moving forward, including presence of RCMP and DFO C & P.
· The fisheries will be monitored and reported on daily and all catch reports submitted 24 hours after the fishery is over.
Please share and distribute the information.
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Hook and Line, Spear or gaff VS Net. Chilliwack wins.
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Does anyone have an update as to how many chinooks have been captured by these gillnets in the lower Vedder? I have biked by them several times now and have seen no fish captured or any other activity.
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These openings make no sense other than the fact they are proving they can.
Summer steelhead bi-catch non retention? how do you release a summer when gaffed or speared? What does the province have to say about this? And why would they be non retention when you can actively harvest hatchery summers legally?
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......why specify hook and line..that is already allowed.....probably more chance of finding a gold nugget than spearing or gaffing a red in the lower chehalis this time of year ......just let them net the hatchery channel and get it over with....
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These openings make no sense other than the fact they are proving they can.
Summer steelhead bi-catch non retention? how do you release a summer when gaffed or speared? What does the province have to say about this? And why would they be non retention when you can actively harvest hatchery summers legally?
They won't care. The Summers in the Chehalis are viewed as invasive
I am just disappointed at how things are. The state of the Chehalis has never been so bad and yet here we go. Just wait, they'll be retaining the early run Chehalis lake Coho.
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Wow,they are really sticking it to us arent they.
This is B.S.
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......just realized their hook and line probably is not the same as what I have to use...
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......just realized their hook and line probably is not the same as what I have to use...
Yeah, add another two hooks, three barbs and some heavy weights into the mix.
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......any results for these openings...?
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FYI
Seen this posted on FB "When the fraser is shut down be prepared to have the netting switch over to places like the chehalis and Vedder for excess hatchery stocks.
The fsc fishery comes after conservation before sport fishing.The negotiations are already going on to have net fisheries this fall all the way up the Vedder to the crossing for 5 different Nations."
Only posting this rumor as i've also heard similar stuff from reliable sources. The rumor I heard of late tho is Harrison,Sumas and Stolo have not been able to come to an agreement yet.
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Well that will be the end of cultas sockeye.
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Well that will be the end of cultas sockeye.
cultus sockeye are already done.
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right now it looks like most of the sockeye runs in the Fraser are 'done'.
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Chilliwack is gonna have over 20k return. Cultus will be lucky if 5 to 10 fish.
For conservation purposes I’ve read that returns of 500 pairs or 1k insures healthy genes.
So while not strong enough to fish for them many sockeye populations are not at risk of extinction.
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I was thinking that this year's estimated return is under 300k whereas the brood year - 2016 was around 800k and that was the worst return on record. So the followup brood year return is about 30% of the worst return on record.
Since 2010 returns have gone down. Other than the 2010 cycle every other cycle has been the worst on record - repeatedly.
Are sockeye all but dropping off the extinction cliff? While sockeye have a cache population in the kokanee populations resident in so many lakes in the Fraser watershed, there's little reason to optimistic. Cultus and Sakinaw may be the model of how the anadromous form vanishes.
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I was thinking that this year's estimated return is under 300k whereas the brood year - 2016 was around 800k and that was the worst return on record. So the followup brood year return is about 30% of the worst return on record.
Since 2010 returns have gone down. Other than the 2010 cycle every other cycle has been the worst on record - repeatedly.
Are sockeye all but dropping off the extinction cliff? While sockeye have a cache population in the kokanee populations resident in so many lakes in the Fraser watershed, there's little reason to optimistic. Cultus and Sakinaw may be the model of how the anadromous form vanishes.
Extinction cliff? Not quite. Ocean conditions are and have been poor, no doubt about it. Other than Bristol Bay, Alaska sockeye runs are suffering as well. The Baker Lake sockeye run turned out slightly better than forecast, but the peak was more than a week later than past years. The Columbia (Osoyoos and Lake Wenatchee) runs also appeared to be late. Last year's Baker Lake run was much lower than forecast. The Baker Lake run is basically 100% hatchery production, and has been for 100 years, so it serves as a good gauge of ocean conditions. At this point I am concerned about the 2022 Fraser run - if it follows the same patter, the return will be in the neighborhood of 5-6 million, but the forecast will be for 10 million, so it may end up being horribly overfished before it is too late.
The current forecast gives a 60% probability of a La Nina pattern developing in the next 6 months. If that happens, we could see an improvement of ocean conditions for a few years, just as the 2022 fish hit the ocean. If ocean conditions don't improve even with a La Nina, then something really is messed up and Ralph you may be right about extinction being on the table.
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sorry I was specifically talking about Fraser sockeye.
Re: the "extinction cliff". Thirty or so years a go I remember reading a paper on negative factors on salmon abundance (climate change, ocean acidification, habitat loss etc)
Basically the predicted cycle was for year some periods of relative abundance vs others of scarcity. You could relate these to ocean cycles like El Nino vs La Nina. For each repetition of the cycle the relative levels of abundance would be less than previous cycles. As decades passed the lean cycles, like 2016, 2020, 2024 - which is I believe the least abundant Fraser cycle - numbers would drop to very low, close to nil and then nothing. Much like the pattern we've seen for Cultus and Sakinaw. I believe Sakinaw now has no sockeye returns in it's cycle years that were low abundance. Imagine the same thing starting to happen with runs in the Fraser. It's getting close with the early Stuart runs.