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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: chris gadsden on June 19, 2020, 06:50:19 PM

Title: More Chinook Closures
Post by: chris gadsden on June 19, 2020, 06:50:19 PM
https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/06/19/ottawa-announces-unprecedented-action-to-protect-fraser-river-chinook/
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: wildmanyeah on June 19, 2020, 11:24:09 PM
Given this announcement what’s then over/under on a vedder July 1 opening?
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: Spoonman on June 20, 2020, 08:29:32 AM
......cart before the horse...there is no July 1 opening in the books yet pending review......which is bs  on a terminal hatchery fishery.....
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: RalphH on June 20, 2020, 11:43:54 AM
Is there any word if and when either the Vedder/Chilliwack or the Chehalis will open for chinook?
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: wildmanyeah on June 20, 2020, 12:39:06 PM
Is there any word if and when either the Vedder/Chilliwack or the Chehalis will open for chinook?

Last I heard there was still an expectation that hatcheries would be open during peek times..

I think there is some uncertainty tho as First Nations have requested to have priority access to hatchery rivers.
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: Spoonman on June 20, 2020, 12:51:36 PM
.........

I think there is some uncertainty tho as First Nations have requested to have priority access to hatchery rivers.
...........if they get to net a hatchery river I'm  going fishing  too....
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: cammer on June 20, 2020, 01:57:38 PM
I’m joining you spoonman , same sentiments
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: sugartooth on June 20, 2020, 02:43:54 PM
This thread discusses vedder/chehalis Openings.          http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=43508.30 (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=43508.30)

Last I heard there was still an expectation that hatcheries would be open during peek times..

I think there is some uncertainty tho as First Nations have requested to have priority access to hatchery rivers.


What’s your source of information on this? 
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: wildmanyeah on June 20, 2020, 03:47:13 PM
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3kyeajv6pwqstfs/AADVsLoT_k64equZO8Pc-IYwa?dl=0
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: RalphH on June 20, 2020, 06:57:27 PM
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3kyeajv6pwqstfs/AADVsLoT_k64equZO8Pc-IYwa?dl=0

any specific sections or pages?

That way we can all sneak a peek!
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: wildmanyeah on June 20, 2020, 07:39:33 PM
any specific sections or pages?

That way we can all sneak a peek!

There is multiply documents over the past few years where they have requested to harvest In Fraser river tributaries especially if they are
Going to be denied access during windows
Like the IFS one

First Nations Fisheries also require
“predictable and stable fishing
opportunities” (see sec. 7.1.3) that
have priority over recreational and
commercial fisheries.

Here is another one

https://www.lffa.ca/downloadable-documents/reports/reports-2019?download=596:lffa-2019-post-season-report
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: Hike_and_fish on June 21, 2020, 06:34:48 AM
Just greed. Our poor salmon. Every year I feel like it gets worse and worse. People fighting over scraps. If I ever see a net in the Nicomen, Sumas, Kanaka OR Chehalis, I'm cutting it. I guarantee you as we speak there lays a net in the Chehalis. Why do you think its still closed ? Because of the pressure from Ralph Leon Jr. last year thats why. That band is becoming more powerful by the day. We as rec guys are losing out grip here. We all talk the same talk year in and year out. Nothing ever changes it just gets worse. We talk about how we all need to hold hands with Indians and get along but the bands don't care. They just stab us in the back and take more ! Ralph Leon Jr is a prime example of this.

Some of you people are just so damn ignorant here. There has been a plan to cut non FN people out of the salmon game privince wide. The cuts we are seeing are just baby steps towards the end game.
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: mikeyman on June 21, 2020, 11:11:22 AM
min@dfo-mpo.gc.ca

Send your letters! I did. Everyone who cares should send Thier concerns to the minister!
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: ~IvAn~ on June 21, 2020, 12:13:49 PM
https://www.pacificangler.ca/2020-chinook-measures-our-response/

Pretty good break down of the closure done by Jason. 
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: armytruck on June 21, 2020, 12:52:32 PM
min@dfo-mpo.gc.ca

Send your letters! I did. Everyone who cares should send Thier concerns to the minister!
Sent
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: avid angler on June 22, 2020, 07:08:14 AM
Just greed. Our poor salmon. Every year I feel like it gets worse and worse. People fighting over scraps. If I ever see a net in the Nicomen, Sumas, Kanaka OR Chehalis, I'm cutting it. I guarantee you as we speak there lays a net in the Chehalis. Why do you think its still closed ? Because of the pressure from Ralph Leon Jr. last year thats why. That band is becoming more powerful by the day. We as rec guys are losing out grip here. We all talk the same talk year in and year out. Nothing ever changes it just gets worse. We talk about how we all need to hold hands with Indians and get along but the bands don't care. They just stab us in the back and take more ! Ralph Leon Jr is a prime example of this.

Some of you people are just so damn ignorant here. There has been a plan to cut non FN people out of the salmon game privince wide. The cuts we are seeing are just baby steps towards the end game.

Im glad I’m not the only one who sees through Ralph Leon Jr. The chehalis band displays some of the most disgusting behaviour year after year.
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: psd1179 on June 22, 2020, 10:33:13 AM
is the Ralph Leon Jr. same person Ralph in this forum?
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: RalphH on June 22, 2020, 11:15:57 AM
is the Ralph Leon Jr. same person Ralph in this forum?

No.
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: firstlight on June 22, 2020, 12:27:59 PM
...........if they get to net a hatchery river I'm  going fishing  too....

Ill go with you.
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: chris gadsden on June 23, 2020, 09:36:57 AM
Some talk going around of doing this again. Is this the answer or is there one? From my video archives in the 1980's https://youtu.be/JTK_Z4md4KA
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: RalphH on June 23, 2020, 10:22:48 AM
sounds like there is appetite for a "protest fishery". Chris do have any sense to what extent potential conflicts between FN fishers and sport anglers has caused the lack of clarity of sport access? Is the Province considering a general closure on some terminal streams to facilitate FN harvest should they go forward?
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: wildmanyeah on June 23, 2020, 11:27:51 AM
Is this the answer or is there one?

The answer is sockeye but they aren't cooperating.

IMO because FN's are not getting the amount of sockeye they want so they are looking at all the other fisheries. They have priority so they can boot anyone off the water.

No reason bar fishermen should not have access to fraser summer 4.1's chinook. But FN want 25k+ of them.  They asked the goverment for all the TAC and it seems they got it.
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: hammer on June 23, 2020, 05:12:42 PM
Any word on ocean closures?
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: TacoChris on June 23, 2020, 07:23:26 PM
Protest fishery have none of you learned anything?  Block highways, threaten police and claim brutality.
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: Hike_and_fish on June 24, 2020, 06:29:56 AM
Protest fishery have none of you learned anything?  Block highways, threaten police and claim brutality.

Lol so true.
Title: Re: More Chinook Closures
Post by: mikeyman on June 24, 2020, 10:06:22 AM
Salt guys with boats. Let's block the harbour. Lions Gate bridge right across. I have 23 ft to contribute! Should plan the protests with river and ocean fishers included. Put the bar rods in the same day!