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British Columbia Sport & Outdoor Lounge => Hunters' Cabin => Topic started by: IronNoggin on April 29, 2020, 03:59:40 PM
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The predictable and pathetic political response. Simply can't miss out on making mileage on the still warm bodies...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-government-gun-control-friday-1.5549969
Nog
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Every revocation of registration must be accompanied by instructions on how to appeal. It's called a Section 74 appeal.
Every individual filing and proceeding will tie them up for years.
I plan on filing individually for each affected firearm I own & making it as painful as possible for them on their end.
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/f-11.6/page-9.html
More information on just how to react:
https://nfa.ca/2020/01/13/upcoming-gun-bans-and-confiscations-what-to-know-and-what-to-do/
AND - If you are not a current Member of the CCFR, I strongly encourage you to rectify that right now!
https://firearmrights.ca/en/membership-info/
Nog
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Every revocation of registration must be accompanied by instructions on how to appeal. It's called a Section 74 appeal.
Every individual filing and proceeding will tie them up for years.
I plan on filing individually for each affected firearm I own & making it as painful as possible for them on their end
Nog
News flash, the people processing your paper work could give a damn how many you file😁
Just think of that the next time you try to get through to a public servant the next time you need something like.......let's say an EI / WCB/CERB process taken care but can't because they are swamped by others inability to file properly efficiently .
Just saying....
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News flash, Just saying....
NEWS Flash: COMPLETELY different department. Completely different people.
Making your particular news flash completely irrelevant.
Reality.
But thanks for coming out irregardless...
Nog
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Trudeau lies and subverts democracy to push his anti-gun agenda
This is not about safety, it is the Trudeau Liberals using hundreds of millions of tax dollars to enact their agenda and they are doing it without Parliamentary oversight. There will be no bill to debate, no votes to be had.
Even if you are no fan of guns, every Canadian should be outraged that our democracy is being subverted and that their government is lying to them about what their actions will accomplish.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-lies-and-subverts-democracy-to-push-his-anti-gun-agenda
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NEWS Flash: COMPLETELY different department. Completely different people.
Making your particular news flash completely irrelevant.
Reality.
But thanks for coming out irregardless...
Nog
No not really that different. Public servants will be tasked to complete your files. They don't care how many times you file. Plug up the system, they don't care, trust me you are only making it worse for yourself. Or maybe that guy, another gun owner effected who would like a resolution in a timely manner for whatever reason.
Nog your like the kid in the candy store who wants the the red smartie and won't be happy until the whole box is full or red ones
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Nog your like the kid in the candy store who wants the the red smartie and won't be happy until the whole box is full or red ones
Nice shot, but bouncing off rather thick hide here... (https://www.tnof.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/Tongue.gif)
You are indicating your complete lack of understanding regarding the point of filing these Appeals.
Most are likely to fail. Most who file understand that when they do so.
The entire point is to "Plug up the system" until such time as either reason can prevail, or a competent legal challenge can be mounted.
And to that end, I am and will be rightfully committed.
Cheers,
Nog
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Nice shot, but bouncing off rather thick hide here... (https://www.tnof.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/Tongue.gif)
You are indicating your complete lack of understanding regarding the point of filing these Appeals.
Most are likely to fail. Most who file understand that when they do so.
The entire point is to "Plug up the system" until such time as either reason can prevail, or a competent legal challenge can be mounted.
And to that end, I am and will be rightfully committed.
Cheers,
Nog
Yes sir, you are deffinitly committed, and have every right to be so. I do wish you luck in this endeavor.
I am also pretty confident in my understanding of what is happening here. Waisted time, and energy is not hard to spot.
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... Waisted time, and energy is not hard to spot.
LOL! The same can be said for rolling over and playing dead. ;)
Have a good one...
Cheers,
Matt
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LOL! The same can be said for rolling over and playing dead. ;)
Have a good one...
Cheers,
Matt
Lol, ok Nog.
For the record I was only rolling over to take care of an itch..........
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hopefully things do get entirely plugged up and take a ton of time and money, and hopefully this greasy minority government gets flushed in the meantime.
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hopefully things do get entirely plugged up and take a ton of time and money, and hopefully this greasy minority government gets flushed in the meantime.
Just might even create a few jobs in anticipation of being overwhelmed? Good for the economy and people looking to claw their way out.
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This action is an overly-expensive, do-nothing piece of legislation, produced ENTIRELY to cater to the anti's votes and nothing else.
At a time when our public coffers are being rapidly drained, it is incredibly foolish to proceed with it now.
But, there were the warm bodies to make hay on, and trust the liberals never to miss out on such an "opportunity".
Interestingly, Trudeau and Blair backed off substantially in their plans.
Instead of outright bans & confiscation, they are offering two year amnesties for all concerned, a choice between "grandfathering" (you keep the firearm in question until you die, then surrender to government) or surrender now for a below cost offering from the feds.
Interesting in that these actions are pretty well guaranteed to tick off folks on both sides to the equation. The owners are incensed for being taken to task for actions they are in no way even remotely related to. While the anti's are already screaming Blue Murder that This Does Not Go Far Enough.
Another point of interest is that Trudeau announced this "Will not effect First Nations who utilize these firearms for hunting purposes". Bizarre. On one hand no-one needs any of those scary rifles listed to hunt with. But... the poor FN's get to keep them just for that purpose? There are a few areas I can immediately think of that recognize their local FN gangs are not using their AK's for "hunting purposes"...
In his haste to capitalize on our latest tragedy, Trudeau may very well have shot himself in the foot as all concerned are left shaking their heads at his blatant politicizing of such atrocious events.
Time will tell, but this extremely poorly thought out and imposed (OIC) legislation is perhaps headed towards the same end as the ill fated Firearm Registration Program imposed by another set of liberals in a previous lifetime...
Cheers,
Nog
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In his haste to capitalize on our latest tragedy, Trudeau may very well have shot himself in the foot as all concerned are left shaking their heads at his blatant politicizing of such atrocious events.
As much as I want you to be right....I don't think you understand how stupid the majority of Canadians are.
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This sums it up pretty good
(https://i.imgur.com/zxaEg2S.jpg)
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The sheep are falling into line:
Half of Canadians in cities support full ban on firearms: Ipsos poll
(https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/raw_3w1j_gun-poll-1.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=830&h=1024)
Anyone else happen to think this came on incredibility fast?
Anyone else want to venture a guess as to whether this oh-so-quick to be delivered poll was sponsored by the liberals?
Nog
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The Mowhawks - Akwesasne have been under Canadian Military Counter Intelligence surveillance working with US Homeland security because of terrorist threats and smuggling of just about anything including a very profitable cigarette business and weapons smuggling. With parts of these reserves in Canada and the US it's pretty easy for them. This is one of the major firearm smuggling routes. One report said " We were going to go in and clean up , confiscate illegal weapons" etc but our government declined to act due to fears of causing an Indigenous up rising. But these guys can still own the guns that were banned today. ........ you know , for deer hunting.
Don't like it?
Do something about it:
https://norskk.com/life/2020/5/1/sue-trudeau-keep-your-guns
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This will let the Liberals declare that they’ve done something, and it’ll no doubt feature prominently in their next fundraising email blast. But read between the lines of all these bills and proposals and you’ll see the truth: the Liberals know that lawful Canadian gun owners aren’t a problem, but they’ll use them as a convenient money-filled pinata every time the party’s coffers run low, with the public picking up the tab.
It makes for great political theatre. But let’s be clear what it is: this isn’t policy; it’s politics — at your expense.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/matt-gurney-the-liberals-useless-assault-weapons-ban
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Following a reading of yesterday’s regulation banning a swath of semi-automatic firearms and a briefing with officials from Public Safety, CBSA, Global Affairs, RCMP and the Department of Justice, it was made abundantly clear that the regulations were crafted in haste, and that the government has neither planned nor formulated the rest of the legislation required to implement their hastily crafted policy. As a result, the regulation is both flawed and dangerous.
During the briefing the government could not answer simple questions about the methods used for selection, why bolt action firearms were included on the list, why some shotguns are caught in the bore diameter restrictions, why some rimfire firearms are listed contrary to the selection criteria, and on and on. They also stated that the government, on behalf of the Governor in Council, has deemed the list of firearms banned as “not suitable for hunting or sport shooting”, but simultaneously provided an exemption for indigenous owners for the purpose of hunting. Further, this is contrary to the decades-long history of these very firearms being safely used for hunting and sport shooting.
This entire regulation bears the mark of an irrational process done in haste, and it divides Canadians.
https://firearmrights.ca/en/ccfr-calls-for-blairs-removal/
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Ontario Premier Doug Ford is taking aim at the federal government's new gun control measures, saying he believes the feds should focus on smuggling of illegal weapons at the border and strengthening jail sentences for gun crimes rather than targeting legal gun owners.
"I can't help but think that money could be put at a much better use hunting down the violent criminals and stopping the illegal guns at our borders," he said.
"You think gun violence is going to go down in Toronto? I don't believe gun violence is going to go down in Toronto based on taking guns off legal gun owners."
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/doug-ford-takes-aim-at-trudeau-governments-gun-control-measures/ar-BB13wbAo
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The BCWF encourages members impacted by this ban to write to your MP
https://bcwf.bc.ca/initiatives/your-firearms-rights/
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We often hear how this action somehow represented the will and desires of the majority of Canadians.
Something Trudeau trots out at every single opportunity.
I guess he too is relying on biased online polls to determine this...
Oddly enough, the liberals spent a considerable amount of time and energy finding out what Canadians actually wanted
Only to realize it wasn’t inline with what they wanted to do.
They even went so far as to document that very fact: https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/2019-rdcng-vlnt-crm-dlg/index-en.aspx
This is something they have now forcibly shoved under the rug, as they continue to point towards any online poll that agrees with their stance instead.
Quite shameful the way this was done.
A minority government, lying continuously to it's citizens, end-running democratic function, and forcing their own Agenda on the public via an Order In Council.
This is NOT the Canada our forefathers fought and died for any more.
And it has made me shameful of my own country as a consequence.
Nog
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Many of these now banned rifles were previously classed as a Restricted Weapon - the same classification as handguns in Canada.
In order to acquire one, you must pass a rigorous course to get your Restricted Possession & Acquisition License (RPAL).
Then, you are subjected to an intensive background check through the RCMP (CPIC).
That background check is repeated on your behalf DAILY for as long as you hold the RPAL. Yes. Daily.
The rifle (or handgun) in question must be Registered.
So, you apply for said registration to be transferred to you from the current owner / business.
Another background check.
If green-lighted, you are sent a Registration Certificate for said firearm.
Now you need an Authorization To Transport (ATT) the firearm from it's current location to your residence.
Another background check.
To be transported, the firearm must be trigger locked, and further secured in a locking hardshell gun case.
Once at home, the firearm must be secured in an adequate safe as described in related legislation.
Next up, you want to take it to the range.
Another ATT required. Another background check of course.
To the range and back must be in the straightest line possible (as it was previously to bring it home).
No deviations, no stopping to visit uncle Charlie, or grab a candy bar, or whatever.
Straight line, there, straight line back.
Once again, the firearm must be trigger locked, and further secured in a locking hardshell gun case.
VERY stringent. Any non-compliance and you will not only be charged, you will lose the privileged to own ANY firearms, including non-restricted.
The daily background checks are conducted to ensure there is nothing looming that would present cause for concern with you owning any of these firearms.
Reasonable? Yep. Detailed? Yep. Sufficient? Yep.
And something NO criminal is ever likely to embrace.
Again, this is simply NOT about gun or gang violence whatsoever.
It is simply a method for Trudeau to cater to his uneducated urban base, pandering to fears he himself created.
Virtue Signaling at it's finest.
For you see tackling the very real problems of illegal firearm acquisitions, illegal firearm use, mental health issues, and our overly leaky border would require actually coming up with a working plan, and acting decisively towards addressing those goals. Costly. A hell of a lengthy time span required, and not likely to collect the political points he wants in the immediate time-frame desired.
So, so go after the low-hanging fruit.
Target the most rigorously vetted members of society who have well indicated their extreme level of responsibility over the years.
Does it matter that not a single crime or criminal act will ever be effected by this move?
Hell No!
But hey, look, we did something... ::)
Nog
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A Retired Mountie’s Perspective Liberals Gun Control
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSlwaFicJCH8k7RewHrVMLqom9cZEReNSqkCcRnKjuuU1agpi7dw6m6JGvUb2vsAg/pub
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Apparently (heard this from a coworker - so take it with a grain of salt, as I haven't had time to confirm it yet) most 10/12 gage shotguns are also included in this ban as well. (Pump action anyways). Can anyone confirm this? :o
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Many shotty barrels are threaded at the end to accept screw in chokes. That threading can make the bore >20mm and therefore apparently fall under this ban. Yet to be seen how the govt will handle this.
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Whether by intent or simply blind ignorance, most modern 12 gauge shotguns that utilize screw-in chokes, and the majority of 10 gauge shotguns are now considered Prohibited Assault Weapons. The legalese can be found here:
https://www.csaaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/SOR2020-96-CSAAA-Legal-Opinion-re-12-gauge-shotguns.pdf
They now join a target 22 caliber rifle, and four bolt action rifles as well.
This is NOT about "assault weapons" whatsoever.
It IS all about CONTROL.
Nog
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https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-2574
This petition has taken off like a Rocket!
Over 80,000 signatures in the first 24 hours it has been out.
It is more than probable that this Parliamentary Petition will exceed the last one focused on this matter wherein it was recognized to be the largest number of Canadian signatures on such a petition ever.
With all that is happening, I suspect this one will literally blow the last one right out of the water for that title.
Again, there is much going on in this regard elsewhere.
And also again, any who are concerned or affected and want to know just what is being done as a result, feel free to contact me via pm.
Cheers,
Nog
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First Firearms Petition (the one that has set the highest number ever recorded) was presented to Parliament today:
https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-2341
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The NFA launches a second, somewhat parallel lawsuit against the Feds:
https://nfa.ca/2020/05/07/nfa-announces-support-court-challenge-to-liberal-gun-grab/
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Email from the CSSA as follows:
RCMP prohibits first 12-Gauge Shotgun with 20mm Bore Law - CBSA Memorandum backs Firearms Lawyers on Shotgun Ban
May 8, 2020
OSHAWA: On May 5, 2020, CSSA and CSAAA issued a joint news release showing Justin Trudeau and Bill Blair – either through gross ignorance or gross incompetence – banned 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotguns under the 20mm maximum bore diameter restriction in *SOR/2020-96."
Minister Blair’s denied this via social media, saying,
“Both 10 and 12 gauge shotguns are under the 20mm provision, and thus not subject to the prohibition. Our government is taking action to protect Canadians by banning assault-style weapons – not those used for hunting.
“The truth matters,” Minister Blair said.
We agree 100%. The truth matters.
This morning, the RCMP confirmed the first 12-gauge shotgun prohibited under the new Order-in-Council.
The deadly evil weapon? An old Iver Johnson single-shot, fixed choke 12-gauge shotgun with a 2 3/4" chamber.
That's right, a standard old farm gun.
RCMP Technical Unit Supervisor, Tim Hobbs, confirmed this firearm would be classified as prohibited in a phone call with a prominent firearms dealer.
See this firearm being measured - see for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcGpz-2aBYk&feature=emb_logo
That’s why we asked for the legal opinion of one of Canada’s top firearm lawyers, Edward L Burlew LL.B.
Solomon Friedman LL.B., another respected lawyer well-versed in firearms law, agrees with Mr. Burlew’s opinion.
“Your standard 12-gauge shotgun, most people think it has a bore of 18.5 millimeters,” he told CBC Radio, “but modern shotguns are actually over-bored – they’re larger than 18.5 millimeters to allow you*to screw in attachments called chokes. It’s very common. Most modern shotguns are made that way and that they are almost all larger than 20 millimeters.”
If Minister Blair doesn’t want to listen to the opinion of two experts in Canadian firearms law, perhaps he will agree with the experts in one of the agencies he oversees.
The Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA) Memorandum D19-13-2, issued May 29, 2019, defines BORE as:
"The inside of the barrel of a firearm, from the throat to the*muzzle, through which the projectile travels."
By the CBSA’s definition, it may be all 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotguns – not just those with removable chokes – are now Prohibited firearms because they do not consider the forcing cone, the “throat” of the barrel, which exceeds the 20 mm maximum bore*diameter specified in SOR/2020-96.
Will Minister Blair support the CBSA opinion that meshes with two of Canada’s top legal experts in firearms law?
Or will he toss them under the bus because he can’t admit he made a huge mistake?
We demand Minister Bill Blair immediately rescind SOR/2020-96 until such time as he can figure out what he’s doing.
It’s clear he hasn’t figured out what he’s doing yet, and all Canadian hunters and sport shooters may pay the price for his incompetence.
Fixing this particular (among many) problem requires the addition of two little words: “except shotguns.” That it is so easy to fix yet Blair refuses to make the change, tells us the wording was intentional. Minister Bill Blair promised to call us the*next day to clarify the OiC. Two and a half days later... we're still waiting. More to come. - TB
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Important Alert: New Canadian Gun Ban Poses Risks for Exported American Shotguns
http://www2.nssf.org/webmail/127421/320079709/90e5324250e0ab22561ed5d0c0020f8535459ec8938d4cd8fc30e9262467ee1a
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RCMP Deletes ‘Grandfathering’ Option From Web Page on Rifle Bans
The RCMP deleted the option for so-called “grandfathering” this week from its web page on the government’s mass rifle confiscations, igniting concern owners will face jail unless they surrender their guns within two years.
https://thegunblog.ca/2020/05/09/rcmp-deletes-grandfathering-option-from-web-page-on-rifle-bans/
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Gun owners say federal assault weapons ban filled with holes, legal challenges coming
https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/gun-owners-say-federal-assault-weapons-ban-filled-with-holes-legal-challenges-coming-1.4930922
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Quite something when even your pet paid for media speaks out against your actions:
Latest gun control effort isn't merely a failure. It corrodes trust among Canadians
There is more than one way to look at the federal Liberal government's announcement of a ban on certain models of semi-automatic rifles: as illogical symbolism that will do nothing to advance public safety; as a waste of scarce public funds; as craven wedge politics.
Canadians who have followed a rigorous process to obtain a licence to purchase a firearm accept that the privilege of ownership can be revoked if it is poses an unreasonable danger. It is a far different thing to render their property unlawful for use simply so that the government can be seen to be doing something.
In short, the government is criminalizing some people's property not because it will make anyone safer, but because it can – because it knows that the political benefits far outweigh any loss in popularity among people who were probably not inclined to vote Liberal in the first place.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opinion-gun-control-politics-1.5556541
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Veterans Respond:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ts3yoUZxog
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RCMP Officer: Banned guns are “not assault rifles or military weapons”
The article has resurfaced recently as firearms and sport shooting groups have shared it on social media networks to highlight that expert opinion understands that carbine rifles like the AR-15 are not “military-style assault rifles”, as anti-gun politicians and activists claim.
https://www.westernstandardonline.com/2020/05/rcmp-officer-banned-guns-are-not-assault-rifles-or-military-weapons/
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(https://i.imgur.com/0wr1pMh.jpg)
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OIC Prohibits a CROSSBOW!
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The poorly constructed OIC introduced by Bill Blair has inadvertently banned this crossbow.
The PSE Tac-15 uses a standard Ar-15 upper in its construction. Cost to CDN taxpayers to buy back $2000 each!
Now some bow enthusiasts have prohibited devices in Canada.
Weirder and weirder each passing moment!
Nog
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Retired Major Speaks Out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odKRgY-yc30
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New facts prove the utter uselessness of Trudeau's gun ban
The RCMP claim Wortman’s fourth murder weapon – another handgun – was “sourced in Canada.” But that is most likely because it was Const. Heidi Stevenson’s sidearm. Wortman stole that one off her body when he killed the Mountie after their two cars collided.
Yet in their infinite “progressive” wisdom, the Liberals and their supporters have convinced themselves Wortman and others like him can easily be stopped before they act out their murderous fantasies.
It’s a snap, they claim. Just take away guns from law-abiding hunters, farmers, target shooters and collectors.
That’ll do it!
Don’t try very hard to stop the illegal import of firearms, or better screen gun owners for mental health or crack down on street gangs and the drug trade or keep track of the nearly 500,000 Canadians who have been banned from possessing guns.
(Legal gun owners have to register their addresses with the RCMP, while people banned from owning guns because of previous convictions for violent crimes, do not.)
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-new-facts-prove-the-utter-uselessness-of-trudeaus-gun-ban
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Federal gun grab puts politics ahead of safety
Unfortunately, it seems Ottawa isn’t interested in constructive solutions. Instead, the federal government seems to prefer a big, noisy, politically charged spectacle. They want an election issue. This is why you see the Liberals adopt political terms used in the gun control debate south of the border. How many times have federal officials used the term “assault style” or “military grade” in describing the firearms they plan to ban? These terms are not weapon classifications, rather they are marketing terms for a political campaign. They are designed to evoke fear of both firearms and the hunters, farmers, ranchers, and sport shooters who own them. Alienating these folks while expecting them to voluntarily hand over their property is a policy doomed to backfire.
https://www.rimbeyreview.com/opinion/nixon-federal-gun-grab-puts-politics-ahead-of-safety/
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Petition surpasses 196,000 and counting...
https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-2574
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Add a BOLT ACTION shotgun (added today due to "scary looks"), the Single Shot Ruger # 1, and numerous British Double Rifles to the list of those Prohibited.
Still think they are only after their mis-named "military assault rifles"?
A collaborative response to a comprehensive attack
A historic day is upon us, thanks to the Liberal government.
Never before have we seen the uniting of our community, or the activation of so many gun owners as we are seeing right now, and it’s only just begun.
In a rare show of unity, over 50 Canadian organizations, representing millions of members, from every province across the country, have joined forces in opposing the arbitrary and punitive “gun ban” by a government who fails to address crime. This is just the first step in a collaborative reaction, to a very comprehensive attack.
https://firearmrights.ca/en/a-collaborative-response-to-a-comprehensive-attack/
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Federal firearms ban misses mark—badly
Police report that between 70 and 90 per cent of guns used in violent crimes in Canada are smuggled, mainly from the U.S. Gang violence is a growing threat to public safety. According to StatsCan, one quarter (24 per cent) of all homicides were gang-related in 2018, up from 16 per cent in 2015, and licensed firearms owners are much less likely to commit murder than other Canadians. The evidence strongly suggests this gun ban won’t make us safer. If the prime minister wants to stop gun violence, he should encourage the provinces and municipalities to hire more police officers or improve screening at the border to prevent gun smuggling. But this ban targets the law-abiding, not the criminal.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/federal-firearms-ban-misses-mark-badly
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At Bill Blair's direction, the RCMP have been quietly adding firearms to the banned list. As of yesterday, that included 255 target rifles and even bolt action shotguns. Slippery Slope not real? Riiiiight! ::)
More Guns Banned, FRT Records Deleted
Earlier today we discovered, by way of the RCMP Verifier’s portal to a live-updated version of the Firearms Reference Table, that a number of firearms have been moved to the Prohibited class as variants of the AR-15. These firearms include the Typhoon F12 shotgun, a bolt-action shotgun, a number of Alberta Tactical Rifle’s formerly non-restricted rifles, and the Maccabee Defense SLR-Multi rifle. We do not know if there have been further prohibitions, or if there will be.
These prohibitions are being made under the legal authority granted by the OIC announced May 1st, specifically Section 87, which reads: “The firearms of the designs commonly known as the M16, AR-10 and AR-15 rifles and the M4 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them.” In other words, they are considering these firearms variants of the AR-15, and are prohibiting them as a result.
The problem with that is that the RCMP’s own documentation prior to this specifically included various comments that would disallow this action. For example, the Maccabee Defense SLR’s former FRT entry includes a section for Canadian Law Comments that reads as follows: “This firearm design is derived from an amalgamation of several different firearm designs and does not trace its design lineage directly or uniquely to a “prohibited” or a “restricted” firearm found in the Regulations appended to the Criminal Code.”
https://calibremag.ca/more-guns-banned-frt-records-deleted/
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For any who might be inclined to look where we are headed, I'd suggest a quick read of a letter from someone Trudeau appointed to his Firearms Committee to Bill Blair. The one that left in disgust when things were not rolling fast enough for her...
Recommendations concerning the ban on assault weapons and other measures being considered
http://polysesouvient.ca/Documents/MAIL_20_05_11_Letter_BillBlair_Recommendations_ENG.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1JAI3WOg1rzaKBgjHntxSPCLAPEN_ZjPNum56E_qTrBouu0TXzcXWpIAw
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https://www.westernstandardonline.com/2020/05/murder-rate-stayed-stable-despite-massive-increase-in-restricted-gun-sales-in-canada/
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Alberta Game Warden Association
12 hrs ·
On May 1, 2020, Prime Minister Trudeau and the Liberal government implemented a prohibition of over 1500 firearms through an Order in Council (OIC).
The Alberta Game Warden Association (AGWA) wishes to clearly state that they oppose the OIC Firearms Ban and believes that any such issues should be taken through the democratic processes which our officials have been elected and sworn to uphold.
The Alberta Game Warden Association consists of Fish and Wildlife officers who strive to conserve the natural resources of Alberta by ensuring compliance with resource related activities such as hunting, trapping and fishing and to provide public safety by managing dangerous wildlife. AGWA believes it is critically important to show support for their stakeholders, specifically lawful firearms owners in the hunting, trapping, sport competition/target shooting and ranching community.
The OIC Firearm Ban lacks evidence-based decision making as shown in the following paragraphs.
The OIC claimed to be banning Military Grade Assault Weapons. That fundamental premise of the OIC is flawed as Military Grade Assault Weapons refers to fully automatic firearms with high capacity magazines, both of which were already prohibited in Canada in 1977 and 1992 respectively. None of the firearms that were banned are capable of firing in fully automatic mode (one depression of the trigger allowing for continuous firing) or legally able to contain more than five rounds in the magazine.
The Federal Liberal OIC further states that none of the firearms banned are commonly used for sporting or hunting purposes. However, the restricted firearms that are now prohibited, have been used for decades for sporting and competition purposes and were licensed by the Federal government for this very purpose. The non-restricted firearms that were banned under the OIC are common hunting rifles for both predators and large game animals. This was demonstrated by the fact that an exemption was included in the OIC allowing Indigenous people to continue to hunt for subsistence purposes with these very same firearms.
In addition to banning 1,500 firearms by specific make and model, the firearm ban includes the banning of firearms with a bore of 20 mm or more. Most 10 and 12 gauge shotguns with a removable choke have a bore of 20 mm or more, and would therefore be banned under the new regulations imposed. The intent of making these firearms may not be there at this moment. However, we believe that this oversight is a key example why this issue should have gone through the Parliamentary process. Instead, the lawful outdoor community members such as upland bird hunters or waterfowler’s have become criminals for possession of certain shotguns.
Statistics Canada figures show licenced gun owners are among the least likely citizens to commit a violent crime. New public safety measures should target the people responsible for criminal activity, tighten bail release conditions and address the socio-economic environments that give rise to violent life styles. Criminals who have illegally obtained firearms will not be impacted by this confiscation regime.
The Vancouver City Police Chief, who is the head of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, was asked in 2019 whether he felt Canada needed further gun controls. He said, “Canada already has strong firearms regulations and no other law is required. The firearms laws in Canada are actually very good right now. They’re very strict.”
The Alberta Game Warden Association urges the Federal Liberal Party to repeal the OIC Firearm Ban immediately to ensure Canadian citizens can continue to use these firearms responsibly and not face criminal prosecution for possessing lawfully acquired property. Limited government resources should be focused on taking action against the root causes of violent crime, such as gang violence, firearms obtained illegally or those which are illegally smuggled into Canada.
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Those who want total ban on handguns lack understanding of firearm sports
Responsible and legal firearm owners do not carry firearms outside of legally permitted areas.
We do not threaten the safety of citizens, nor the efficiency of police work.
Most of us certainly do not claim to need handguns for any reason beyond the pure love or enjoyment of participating in the shooting sports.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opinion-handguns-gun-control-1.5572268
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And... Another one bites the dust...
It seems the trigger happy folks rapidly prohibiting firearms under the direction of Trudeau et al are keeping rather busy these days.
Here's the next:
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It's a 22 caliber Mossberg Plinkster. Semi automatic. There are several hundred thousand of them in circulation in Canada. No one can be certain of the exact number, as these have always been a non-restricted item.
But... once again, you can dress them up to look soooo scary they best be on the list:
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Forget the fact that the outside shell is a cheap plastic and rather ill fitting case surrounding the Plinkster inside. Forget the fact it still functions exactly the same. Forget the fact it is a 22. It now obviously fits the banal Trudeau description: “These weapons were designed for one purpose and one purpose only: to kill the largest amount of people in the shortest amount of time,”
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And on it goes...
Nog
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Judicial review of an Order in Council to determine if the Order in council is valid:
https://efiling.fct-cf.gc.ca/efilingws/r/doc/v/gmXXegI-G2d33c2ndv80gD5AXQ3EKHTu
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Gun crime rates and killings involving guns in New Zealand reached their highest level in a decade this year despite the country's strict gun control measures lauded by left-wing politicians in the United States.
The figures, obtained from police under the Official Information Act by news outlet RNZ, show that gun crime has increased in the country in 2018 and 2019.
https://www.gunpowdermagazine.com/new-zealand-gun-owners-take-govt-to-court-over-gun-ban-as-gun-crime-soars/amp/
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Sure enough, in 2020, the Canadian prime minister is imposing a ban by decree. And some gun prohibition fans want him to go even further. The Globe and Mail calls the ban a "weak half-measure" because it doesn't criminalize the possession of handguns. Former Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe spokesman Michael Bociurkiw wants to seal the vast border with the U.S. to curtail gun smuggling and "to make Canadians feel safer."
The obvious lesson to take away from the crackdown in Canada is that the government you live under can turn against you at any time. And bringing yourself to the attention of that government—say, by registering property that some officials want to further restrict or completely prohibit—is just asking for trouble. That lesson should be taken to heart not just in Canada, but any place that those who would inflict restrictions and prohibitions on the rest of us seek power. Which is to say, Canada's gun ban by decree provides a schooling in authoritarianism for everybody.
https://reason.com/2020/05/06/canadas-new-gun-ban-validates-fears-of-arbitrary-and-authoritarian-government/
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Today's news:
Cops Reject Liberal Gun Ban, Support CCFR
https://firearmrights.ca/en/cops-reject-liberal-gun-ban-support-ccfr/
Sask. considers taking federal government to court over firearms ban
https://www.ckom.com/2020/05/25/province-considering-taking-ottawa-to-court-over-firearms-ban/
Saskatchewan sides with Ontario and Alberta on opposing gun bans
https://thepostmillennial.com/saskatchewan-sides-with-ontario-and-alberta-on-opposing-gun-bans
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More firearms being banned without public notice
Maple Ridge, B.C., gun store co-owner Matt Mendel began reading rumours online in early May, shortly after the prime minister announced a ban on 1,500 firearms and gun parts, that even more were quietly being reclassified as prohibited.
There was no public announcement by federal authorities. Businesses like Mendel's Wanstalls Hunting and Shooting had to find out by searching the guns they sell in the national Firearms Reference Table (FRT), available to them online.
Mendel, 32, and his staff began to check various models and sure enough some were suddenly banned — mostly shotguns.
"If I wasn't a diligent business owner and constantly kept my ear to the ground with this sort of thing, I could have been selling illegal firearms to people, and people could be possessing illegal firearms without even knowing it," said Mendel.
Including the one or two Typhoon F12 guns in his inventory, the store stands to lose $30,000 to $40,000 for a dozen firearm models that have been reclassified as prohibited, and much more over time on accessories and ammunition for these guns.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/firearm-reclassification-after-ban-anounced-1.5589519
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In the middle of this, Justin Trudeau’s move to protect you from gun crime saw the Liberal government send a letter to Canada’s 2.2 million licensed gun owners telling them some of their guns — all rifles — are now illegal.
The cost of that mailout, well into the millions, could have been better spent on funding police, border agents or other initiatives to deal with the illegal guns that are the real problem.
The Liberals said their plan to buy the now illegal guns from licensed owners would cost roughly $600 million. Their plan to fight guns and gangs is to spend $327 million over five years with just $86 million going to the RCMP and Canada Border Services to fight gun smuggling.
Let’s be clear, they will spend nearly double to buy guns from legal gun owners with no history of crime in Canada than they will on fighting the illegal guns on the streets that were used in shootings like the one that shocked Toronto on Tuesday.
Trudeau knows what lies behind the gun crime problem in Canada and the key word is crime. Yet he doesn’t know how to fix that, not without hard work and a view of the justice system that will offend his left-wing sensibilities.
So he will spend hundreds of millions of your money and mine to focus on the easy target, people who obey the law.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeaus-gun-ban-focuses-on-the-wrong-target
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"Our Olympians actually use some of these weapons in their competitions," said Richards.
https://www.cochranetoday.ca/local-news/federal-gun-ban-locked-and-loaded-2380221
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Alberta, Saskatchewan taking over the appointment of provincial firearms officers
Alberta and Saskatchewan are moving to assert greater control over gun regulation by taking over the appointment of their provincial firearms officers at a time of heightened tension on the Prairies over gun rights.
They will join Ontario, Quebec, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick in having control over who fills that position.
Alberta and Saskatchewan announced their intentions regarding firearms officers months ago, but the idea has taken on greater urgency since Ottawa announced a ban on what it calls assault weapons in May.
“We believe we can have somebody who, while obviously committed to upholding the law, will do so in a way that focuses enforcement on criminal misuse of firearms rather than regulatory harassment of safe, legal, law-abiding farmers and duck hunters."
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/alberta/article-alberta-saskatchewan-taking-over-the-appointment-of-provincial/
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The overt LIES continue...
https://www.facebook.com/GlenMotz/videos/559813808016594/
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The CSSA reports that not only is it dishonest for the government to maintain that that ban is intended for “weapons that were not designed for hunting or for target shooting,” but that:
[a]n examination of the new regulations showed a clear lack of understanding of the subject matter and that little care was taken in the preparation of these documents. Officials from these departments were unable to provide a working definition of the firearms that were placed on the “banned” list and displayed a shocking ignorance of current laws. They were unable to answer simple question about how the current ban would dovetail with the prohibitions contained in … legislation passed eleven months ago.
Mr. Burlew explains that the Liberal government not only capitalized on the pandemic-related suspension of Parliament to go after law-abiding gun owners, it empowered the police to interpret the scope of the law. The list of banned guns is not fixed at what appears in the May 1 regulation because, “as the RCMP Forensic Lab adds their opinion of Variants,” the banned gun list has grown to include “over 1,000 new prohibited guns not directly listed in the Order in Council. These are opinions of nameless bureaucrats who are expanding the list by hundreds of manufacturer models daily.”
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20200602/lawsuits-begin-over-trudeau-s-assault-weapon-ban
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Legal and responsible Canadian gun owners are seeking information amid mass confusion and uncertainty as the Canadian Government rolls out a new regime of Gun Bans that will affect everyone from collectors, sports shooters, to duck and deer hunters. Wild TV and the CCFR have teamed up to create two 1-hour documentary-style episodes explaining why we, as hunters, need to unite with the sport-shooting community and why we need to care about the recent gun ban.
This is a wake-up call for all Canadian hunters. They are attempting to divide the shooting communities and we need to become united otherwise it could be bad news for all of us in the future. This ban uses such vague language regarding exactly what is now outlawed, and it leaves the door open for other necessary hunting tools to be included in the future, meaning bad news for more of us.
There are many gun ban "myths" cycling the internet, so Wild TV and the CCFR have put together this show to clear up any confusion behind the way the ban was rolled out, and to clarify the misinformation floating around. Canadians have been misled regarding the intent of this ban so Wild TV and the CCFR are using our platforms to educate and to break through the smokescreen that was seemingly put up to disguise the outlaw of 1500+ guns. This has been more than just an attack on gun owners; the ban takes away Canadians’ rights and liberty, affects the economy in a massive way, and will cause the loss of livelihoods and affect the ability of many to feed their families.
"Gun Ban Canada" sheds startling, eye-opening information on the ban and the devastating effects it will have on law-abiding Canadian Gun Owners and livelihoods of small business owners that support them.
The first episode will air on Wild TV six times:
June 10, 17 @ 17:30
June 11, 24 @ 19:00
June 14, 21 @ 18:00
The second episode will air:
June 24 @ 17:30
June 25 @ 19:00
June 28 @ 18:00
https://mailchi.mp/wildtv.ca/wild-tv-and-the-ccfr-present-gun-ban-canada
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Should government use an Order In Council (OIC) to fulfill a campaign promise? Is it an abuse of power by government, misusing the authority of the Governor General (Sovereign representative), under the advice of a Minister? And should the Attorney General intervene, despite the fact the Attorney General is also the Minister of Justice, to ensure the Crown has not been placed in disrepute and to protect the rule of law?
https://www.rangebob.com/Canada/ElizabethMarshall_OIC.html
Somewhat lengthy, but very worthwhile read.
Nog
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Alberta Vows to Defend Gun Rights Against Trudeau’s Attacks
Alberta Premier Jason Kenney vowed today to use the Canadian Constitution, provincial regulations and possibly a lawsuit to defend the rights of hunters, farmers and sport shooters against the federal Liberal Party’s attacks.
https://thegunblog.ca/2020/06/03/alberta-vows-to-defend-gun-rights-against-trudeaus-attacks/
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Shockey Speaks Up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VK8vQbFcxc
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The MADNESS continues! Suspects charged with extremely serious firearms charges after shooting at RCMP - released:
https://www.dailyheraldtribune.com/news/local-news/high-prairie-rcmp-lay-charges-against-three-after-shots-fired-at-police
Instead, lets take the guns away from legal owners...
Complete CROCK!
Nog
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The question is, given a domestic historical record showing the lack of a causal nexus between gun control and crime reduction, why the federal government is so intent on taking firearms out of the hands of law-abiding Canadians?
https://legalmatterscanada.ca/the-past-has-proven-how-gun-control-can-fail-to-hit-the-mark/
The more than obvious answer relates to much of what the focus of this present "government" is: Vote Pandering at all costs.
Nog
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RCMP Letter – Legitimate Notice or Fishing Expedition?
The RCMP’s problem is upwards of 175,000 now-Prohibited firearms were classified as Non-Restricted on April 30, 2020, the day before their virtue-signalling press conference announcing the ban.
The RCMP has no idea who owns any of these guns and the only way to trigger individual notifications is by revoking a Registration Certificate.
Since registration is not required for Non-Restricted firearms, neither the Trudeau government nor the RCMP know who owns these guns.
So why did the RCMP really send this letter?
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One of the largest concerns (or should be for any and all of us regardless of your position in the matter) is the cost to the taxpayer this "project" will represent. Whereas the government has repeatedly claimed it will "only" be in the neighborhood of $ 600 million, no-one has actually bought in to those numbers (another intentional misdirection?). That amount would not even address the actual pay-out costs of reimbursements to owners for this mandated confiscation.
Recently the Fraser Institute conducted a simple and reasonable number crunch. Their team suggests the actual costs may wander north of five billion tax dollars:
Trudeau government’s ‘buy back’ gun program likely a multi-billion boondoggle
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/trudeau-governments-buy-back-gun-program-likely-a-multi-billion-boondoggle
Broader picture means increased pressure on already taxed police personnel, beyond stressed tax dollar coffers, and funds dedicated to this pointless activity that are desperately needed elsewhere - where they might actually do some good.
Nog
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Sask. Bill amendment prevents municipalities from banning guns
REGINA -- The Saskatchewan government has introduced amendments to Bill 194, that it says will further protect the rights of legal gun owners in the province.
The province says amendments to this bill will prevent banning gun ownership at the municipal level.
Recently the federal government had made clear its plan to pass legislation that would allow municipalities the ability to ban guns.
“The Government of Saskatchewan prefers to take the position of encouraging education and safety with a focus on current enforcement efforts, while taking a tough stance on criminals who are breaking the existing laws, rather than further restricting legitimate firearms ownership by law-abiding residents,” Government Relations Minister Lori Carr said.
The amendments were to The Miscellaneous Municipal Statutes Amendment Act, 2019.
https://regina.ctvnews.ca/sask-bill-amendment-prevents-municipalities-from-banning-guns-1.4986823
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Taking the gun ban and buyback to court
The Canadian Taxpayer Federation joins the legal fray...
We all want a safer Canada, but buying back guns from licenced gun owners won’t stop criminals
So we need your help to save taxpayers’ money by taking Ottawa to court.
The Trudeau government’s gun ban won’t make Canadians safer, but it WILL waste hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars.
Even worse, the Trudeau government imposed these new regulations without holding a vote in Parliament.
Ottawa is ducking accountability yet again.
Canadians aren’t going to stand for it. In fact, at least one has already launched a court challenge to these new regulations.
Cassandra Parker, who owns a small business in Prince George, B.C., has launched a legal challenge in the Federal Court against the new gun buyback. She needs all the help she can get.
We want to jump into the court fight as interveners to support her.
We’ve done this before: to fight the carbon tax; to fight for the right of the Ontario government to shrink Toronto city council; and for the right of provincial governments to refuse pay raises for employees.
Whenever we’ve shown up in court, the CTF has been there to represent a point of view that no one else will: taxpayers.
We’re lucky to have an outstanding lawyer, James Plotkin, representing us as we seek permission from the court to intervene.
Normally, the legal fees for a case like this are extremely expensive, but James has given us a deep discount. So we need to raise $21,000 by the end of June to make sure we are ready to file documents before court deadlines.
Can you help chip in to cover the cost? You can donate on our secure website by clicking this LINK.
https://www.taxpayer.com/donate/scrap-the-gun-ban-and-buy-back
We know that to fight for you, we need to use all the tools we have and that includes going to court to make sure your voice is heard.
Thank you as always for your support!
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Alberta Parks and Environment minister Jason Nixon
Be it resolved that the Legislative Assembly
(a) recognize that the criminal use of firearms primarily involves unlicensed individuals, often using illegally smuggled firearms;
(b) express its opposition to the Government of Canada’s recent decision to amend regulations to the Criminal Code to prohibit the possession, transportation and sale of certain types of legally-acquired firearms by licensed, law-abiding citizens; and
(c) urge the Government of Alberta to take all necessary steps to assert provincial jurisdiction in connection with these matters, including replacing the Chief Firearms Officer having jurisdiction for Alberta as designated by the federal Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness with a chief firearms officer for Alberta designated by the Government of Alberta in accordance with the Firearms Act (Canada).
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Effect of firearms legislation on suicide and homicide in Canada
No beneficial association was found between legislation and female or male homicide rates. There was no association found with firearm prevalence rates per province and provincial suicide rates, but an increased association with suicide rates was found with rates of low income, increased unemployment, and the percentage of aboriginals in the population. In conclusion, firearms legislation had no associated beneficial effect on overall suicide and homicide rates. Prevalence of firearms ownership was not associated with suicide rates. Multifaceted strategies to reduce mortality associated with firearms may be required such as steps to reduce youth gang membership and violence, community-based suicide prevention programs, and outreach to groups for which access to care may be a particular issue, such as Aboriginals.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0234457
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Major Announcement - National Education Campaign
The CCFR is launching the largest public awareness campaign on behalf of gun owners in Canadian history. This new high water mark is in the form of a massive national advertising campaign. This program is designed to raise awareness of the CCFR's property rights lawsuit and how it affects the lives of every Canadian. Through this, the CCFR aims to present the unfair treatment of gun owners and create an opportunity for non-gun owning Canadians to see the other side of this debate. This campaign launched yesterday Monday, June 22nd and is made up of the following actions:
A 750-word full page article and infographic on the injustice of the gun ban via OIC and its relationship to property rights in Canada. This article will be published, in this format, in 17 broadsheet and tabloid format newspapers across Canada. These include the National Post, Financial Post, Vancouver Sun, Vancouver Province, Edmonton Journal, Calgary Herald, Saskatoon Star Phoenix, Regina Leader Post, Windsor Star, Ottawa Citizen, Montreal Gazette, Kingston Whig-Standard, London Free Press and Sun newspapers in Edmonton, Ottawa, Calgary, Winnipeg and Toronto.
In addition, a full page open letter will be published in the 17 above-mentions publications three separate times over a 6-week period.
A sponsored interview/article supported by online banner advertising delivered via over 6 million impressions. This includes social media advertising and advertising on the websites of all the previously-mentioned newspaper websites as well.
360,000 instances of audio ad commercials on all major online music services.
All these sources drive traffic to our new domain www.propertyjustice.ca which in turn redirects to an all new page on firearmrights.ca. Visitors are greeted with a new explainer video detailing why all Canadians should care about this historic court case and why they should consider supporting it. They will also be directed to our online quiz so they can determine if they currently know anything about Canada's firearm laws.
Licensed, law abiding, Canadian gun owners will not be ignored. Our opinions matter and we are part of the Canadian cultural fabric.
None of these projects happen without the support of individual gun owners becoming members or donating to the CCFR. Please support the CCFR in this and other ground-breaking projects because doing nothing is not an option.
https://mailchi.mp/7a9f9cf563a1/heres-what-you-need-to-know-from-the-past-week-4004740
https://firearmrights.ca/en/legal-challenge/
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Lawsuit against Trudeau's gun grab will move forward
The Justice Centre announced that it will be moving forward in applying to challenge the constitutionality of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Cabinet Order of confiscating property that was legally acquired by Canadians, according to the Justice Centre's website.
https://thepostmillennial.com/justice-centre-to-try-and-stop-trudeaus-firearm-confiscation
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Liberal ‘Grandfathering’ Is Concealed Confiscation
By Rick Hemmingson
A law that restricts my ability to enjoy and use my guns to nothing more than being a storage facility until I die is not “confiscation upon death.”
It is confiscation.
A gun that must stay in my safe is worth nothing. A gun that cannot be used has been turned into an ornament. An ornament is not a grandfathered gun; it is an ornament.
Not Just Semantics
Confiscation is not just about semantics. We must look to the effect; not just the words used.
It is about whether the government has taken away my right to use, enjoy, sell, not sell my property, as I see fit. That is what I had. That is what has been taken … not later. Not when I die.
It was taken NOW!
Restaurant Example
Grandfathering is typically used in a rezoning situation, for instance. If I am operating a restaurant at 101 Street and my property is rezoned to allow only a cannabis store to be built or operated at 101 Street, I can still continue to operate my restaurant because it is “grandfathered.” I can also sell my operating restaurant to someone else because that use is grandfathered. My restaurant continues to have value and I continue to do what I expected when I spent the money to build it. I am not, for instance, allowed to “grandfather” my restaurant but only if I don’t serve food!
Liberal ‘Grandfathering’ Is a Lie
Words matter. These words are a lie.
Our guns have been confiscated.
Charge for Storage
In fact, it would make more sense for gun owners to charge the federal government storage charges for keeping securely stored indefinitely the guns it has confiscated.
The value of these guns is gone because they cannot be sold.
We have been left with nothing other than the legal (criminal) obligation to provide free storage until death or to surrender them immediately.
When something is grandfathered, the status quo remains for those who lawfully owned and used a certain property.
Gun Owners Aren’t ‘Grandfathered’
Nothing has been grandfathered here simply because the government will delay marching in and taking, then destroying, my property until I die, but it is sterilized until then.
We must reject their term because it is false.
https://thegunblog.ca/2020/07/22/liberal-grandfathering-is-concealed-confiscation-rick-hemmingson/
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Bill Blair Repeats Lies in Response to ePetition e-2341
It should come as no surprise that Public Safety Minister Bill Blair continues to peddle lies about his May 1st gun ban by Order in Council – specifically:
“our prohibition will not impact the activities of law-abiding hunters or sport shooters.”
and
“These weapons have no legitimate civilian use, as they are designed to take as many lives as possible, as efficiently as possible.”
For the past 40 years the only legally permitted use for the AR-15 and other Restricted class rifles was target shooting. The only place these firearms could legally be discharged was at a government-approved shooting range.
This is the inconvenient fact our Minister of Public Safety conveniently ignores.
“The affected firearms are prohibited as they (1) have semi-automatic action with sustain rapid-fire capability (tactical/military design with large magazine capacity), (2) are of modern design, and (3) are present in large volumes in the Canadian market.”
It should also come as no surprise that Justice Minister David Lametti backs up Bill Blair’s lies with specious claims this is about keeping guns out of the hands of violent criminals.
“The Government made amendments to the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted (the Regulations) to classify certain assault-style firearms as prohibited to reduce gun violence, the threat they pose to public safety, as well as their prevalence on the market.”
Both Lametti and Blair peddle this garbage about “present in large volumes” and “their prevalence” in the Canadian market.
By this rationale the Liberal government could ban any firearm they please.
The AR-15 platform is the single most popular modern sporting rifle in North America.
The Ruger 10/22 is the single most popular .22 rifle in North America.
The RCMP already banned magazines for this beloved rifle and, given the two minister’s comments about popularity being one of three primary factors for banning guns, don’t be surprised if the Ruger 10/22 is banned next.
Buy-Back Program?
Once again Minister Blair peddled the line about a buy-back program.
“We have been clear that our prohibition will not impact the activities of law-abiding hunters or sport shooters. We have also signalled our intent to implement a buyback program that will provide fair compensation to affected owners”
To anyone who believes a buy-back program for guns prohibited under the May 1st Order in Council is in the offing, I would advise a word of caution.
A gun buy-back is nothing more than a promise from ministers of, arguably, the most corrupt government in Canadian history.
The government’s buy-back promise served a single purpose – to lower the volume on dissent and reduce opposition from gun owners.
Largely, it’s worked. Outside of a comparatively small band of committed firearm enthusiasts, the common sentiment among gun owners is, “Well, at least they’re going to pay for my gun when they steal it.”
I wouldn’t hold my breath on that.
This government is long on making promises and short on keeping them.
Electoral reform
Indigenous Reconciliation
Balanced the Budget by 2019
Restore Canada Post home delivery
Make Access to Information open by default
Ensure Access to Information laws apply to the Prime Minister’s office as well as all other government minister’s offices
Change the House of Commons Standing Orders to end practice of using omnibus bills to hide items the government does not want scrutinized
Create a Prime Minister’s Question Period
That’s just a partial list of their broken promises, and these are things the Liberals actually believed in prior to forming government.
Paying gun owners for their confiscated rifles? I guarantee you that’s at the bottom of this Liberal government’s priority list.
https://christopherdiarmani.com/15895/guns/gun-politics/bill-blair-repeats-lies-in-response-to-epetition-e-2341/