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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hike_and_fish on April 23, 2020, 09:10:27 AM
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So with the provincial health officer telling people they can only hunt for fish locally, I would like to know what exactly Locally means. Anyone have an idea ?
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So with the provincial health officer telling people they can only hunt for fish locally, I would like to know what exactly Locally means. Anyone have an idea ?
I'm looking to shoot a moose in Lynn Valley, behind the mall maybe?
Good question and one that will vary significantly depending on how and where you live. I do not think there is a definitive number and it will always be down to personal interpretation and personal ethics
I have interpreted it as being anything more than what is required to get you to and back from work and to feed and supply yourself. For many people that would mean staying within 10-15 km of home. I will consider fishing Rice Lake or the Cap, but something like the Squamish Rivers, Lafarge Lake or Vedder are not local to me. my 2 cents.
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I would like to know what exactly Locally means.
You can't define it exactly because it changes from person to person. Knnn's answer speaks to that very well.
As residents of Vancouver and area, I think the question to ask is: do I risk bringing the virus from a larger population centre (with larger, better-equipped hospitals) to a smaller one (with fewer medical resources)? Keep in mind that many infected people show no symptoms so the fact that you feel fine isn't good enough.
An even easier metric: if you have to ask if __________ is local, then the answer's probably no :P
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I have a much looser def'n of "local" than Knnn
As a Lower Mainland resident, to me "local" is anywhere from Squamish to Hope.
If I can get back and forth on one tank of gas, can do it in one day and not stay overnight anywhere, or need to buy groceries, then that is local in my books.
I continue to fish alone, or by travelling in separate vehicles with my partners, within the my Lower Mainland boundaries, by meeting the above three criteria.
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These are Dr Henry's comments as quoted in the Vancouver Sun April 3rd:
“There are many of our smaller communities that are very concerned about people coming to vacation homes, to fishing lodges, etc.,” Dr. Bonnie Henry, the provincial health officer, said during her daily news conference with Health Minister Adrian Dix.
“I am asking people now to forgo those types of travel — all non-essential travel — particularly to smaller communities where we might not have the resources to support you should you become ill or should there be transmission in those communities.”
Henry said compliance — it’s a request, not a formal health order — is key to protecting vulnerable people, particularly seniors.
The consistent message from Dr. Henry and every other Public Health Official has been that people should stay home as much as possible, remain in their local area and travel only when essential.
Local area means within a neighborhood or something within a short distance radius. Travel for essential service (ie Health Care) and supplies (groceries) obviously meets the test for people who live within rural areas.
I don't see any of this as "subjective" or hard to understand.
FWIW BCs covid-19 case trend continues to be upward. Yesterday it was announced 71 new cases were identified. The current level of active cases of 626 as of April 22nd is the highest of the entire outbreak.
There is nothing in these numbers that supports a broad interpretation of 'local'.
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Agree with RalphH on this one.
My thinking is fish local is within 15 minute drive.
If you think there is no fishing hole 15 minutes of your dwelling then you do not live in Supernatural British Columbia.
With this shutdown and lack of traffic ya should get there in no time.
Stay close to home folks....a virus is lurking to get you. Like that Predator movie with Arnold S.
Well boys...we are in the trench...but I'm jumping out and heading over level land ...store / pharmacy ...wish me to get back to trench safely. ( like ww1 ww2 wars )
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I have a much looser def'n of "local" than Knnn
As a Lower Mainland resident, to me "local" is anywhere from Squamish to Hope.
If I can get back and forth on one tank of gas, can do it in one day and not stay overnight anywhere, or need to buy groceries, then that is local in my books.
I continue to fish alone, or by travelling in separate vehicles with my partners, within the my Lower Mainland boundaries, by meeting the above three criteria.
I agree Local is anywhere where you can travel back and forth in 1 day.
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Or...this just out, hunting and fishing are considered to be an essential service https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/safety/emergency-preparedness-response-recovery/covid-19-provincial-support/essential-services-covid-19#food
And... https://bcwf.bc.ca/hunting-and-angling-included-in-essential-services/
I take BCWF at their word that they consulted with the PHO in developing their infographic.
"Fish and hunt locally", it says. Open to some interpretation and intentionally ambiguous, but I would suggest 15 minutes, or within your own neighbourhood, is too narrow an interpretation. For me to interpret local as within the Lower Mainland is consistent with the letter and the spirit of the recommendations.
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Perhaps people should focus more on what they do to reduce risks than justify their attempts to re-engineer the English language.
https://bcwf.bc.ca/hunting-and-angling-included-in-essential-services/
The BCWF believes the provincial government should be finding ways to allow British Columbians to stay local, get outside safely and enjoy our public spaces, especially in provincial parks
also note the Gov't announcement says fishing as in Aquaculture and Fishing, not angling. Not sure what kind of foodstuff is open for hunting unless you are a fan of springtime raccoon.
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" I will be heading to my LOCAL grocery store"
In no way would I ever think my local grocery store was anywhere in the lower mainland. Use your head people!
I live in Chilliwack and would consider fishing in Chilliwack.
FCKing numskulls I tell you........
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Drove to near Squamish yesterday from the Lower Mainland. No cars around where I parked. Did not see anyone or stop in Squamish for items. Rode my bike for a couple hours, fished for a couple hours. I can't see the problem.
If I invited some friends, carpooled with them and stopped at Sunny Chibas for fried chicken that would be an issue.
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Drove to near Squamish yesterday from the Lower Mainland. No cars around where I parked. Did not see anyone or stop in Squamish for items. Rode my bike for a couple hours, fished for a couple hours. I can't see the problem.
If I invited some friends, carpooled with them and stopped at Sunny Chibas for fried chicken that would be an issue.
There was no one around because everyone else was staying close to home ::)
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I agree Local is anywhere where you can travel back and forth in 1 day.
what a load of *. I can get to Nelson and back in a day.
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I have tried to find the directive that contains the instruction to stay local. Can someone show me a link?
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what a load of *. I can get to Nelson and back in a day.
Lol
Take a chill pill dude no one is driving to Nelson fishing for the day and then driving home.
Nor was I suggesting that.
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There was no one around because everyone else was staying close to home ::)
No. Just not a heavily trafficked area including pre-Covid.
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I have tried to find the directive that contains the instruction to stay local. Can someone show me a link?
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/sports-culture/recreation/fishing-hunting/fishing-and-hunting-covid-19-updates (https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/sports-culture/recreation/fishing-hunting/fishing-and-hunting-covid-19-updates)
It also has other directives like not sharing vehicles with people you dont live with etc...
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Thanks
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Lol
Take a chill pill dude no one is driving to Nelson fishing for the day and then driving home.
Nor was I suggesting that.
what you said was very clear, back and forth in a day. Lot's of people drive several hours to fish for several hours and return home that day. It's not unusual.
What this is about is some people take a common well defined and understood word and twist the meaning to suit their own selfish interests during a National and Provincial Emergency.
Do that if you want but that's what it is.
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I'm surprised that people are arguing that a different region in the fishing regs is "local".
What this is about is some people take a common well defined and understood word and twist the meaning to suit their own selfish interests during a National and Provincial Emergency. Do that if you want but that's what it is.
Ralph's not mad. He's just disappointed.
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I'm surprised that people are arguing that a different region in the fishing regs is "local".
Ralph's not mad. He's just disappointed.
What if you lived on the boarder of two regions ? Awh...... bet ya didnt think about that now did ya
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What if you lined on the boarder of two regions ? Awh...... bet ya didnt think about that now did ya
Check and mate! ::)
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What if you lined on the boarder of two regions ? Awh...... bet ya didnt think about that now did ya
Hee Hee...but he made the point. For angling the Province is split into Regions and each Region is split into a number of Management Units. Region 2 alone has 19 Management Units. Traveling within a Region is regional travel, not local.
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what you said was very clear, back and forth in a day. Lot's of people drive several hours to fish for several hours and return home that day. It's not unusual.
What this is about is some people take a common well defined and understood word and twist the meaning to suit their own selfish interests during a National and Provincial Emergency.
Sorry, but when referring to locality, it actually means closest amenity to which you can travel. Time and distance is subjective depending on where you live.
ie... YVR is over an hour away from Squamish, but is considered the local international airport.
If anything, self interest suits more the people who live close to the amenties (ie...The Vedder) in constricting the definition of "Local".
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actually I said that previously in the context of essential travel. You can read higher up.
I'd also say that since air travel is greatly restricted in the current state of emergency your example is moot.
For me your comments don't change my part of the argument since just because you want to fish the Vedder does not make it local for people who live in or close to Vancouver.
I tell ya' it's increasingly difficult being a reasonable person in an increasingly irrational world! LOL.
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I don't want to do anything right now. I'm merely stating that the definition of 'local" is subjective. Take a chill pill bro.
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Does that mean people that live out in the valley can’t go fish in the ocean
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Does that mean people that live out in the valley can’t go fish in the ocean
That was my point. It's not about entitlement like RalphH insinuated...it's about giving proper directives in order to keep the balance between essential travel and access to the majority and not just the few.
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Does that mean people that live out in the valley can’t go fish in the ocean
If I lived in the valley and felt I needed to go fish the ocean, I would personal refrain from doing that. Of course the use of "Valley" in its self leaves your question open to interpretation if you where someone looking to find a way around the suggestive rules. Oh right they are suggestive requests not actual lock downs or enforceable rules.
You do what you want if it makes you feel better............
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I tell ya' it's increasingly difficult being a reasonable person in an increasingly irrational world! LOL.
If you were reasonable you would take into account other people's opinions rather than making assumptions that you have a habit of doing.
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If I lived in the valley and felt I needed to go fish the ocean, I would personal refrain from doing that. Of course the use of "Valley" in its self leaves your question open to interpretation if you where someone looking to find a way around the suggestive rules. Oh right they are suggestive requests not actual lock downs or enforceable rules.
You do what you want if it makes you feel better............
It all comes down to common sense. If I get in my car and drive 50 kms by myself to a remote location and practice physical distancing why wouldn't that be acceptable? Essential travel should specifically refer to going to places where people gather. Right now, I can't even do things I normally do by myself because of the lack of accessibility. Let's not get the two confused...and some people on this board are just too quick to judge.
I would worry more about going to the grocery store than going somewhere outdoors where I can practice physical distancing.
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If I lived in the valley and felt I needed to go fish the ocean, I would personal refrain from doing that. Of course the use of "Valley" in its self leaves your question open to interpretation if you where someone looking to find a way around the suggestive rules. Oh right they are suggestive requests not actual lock downs or enforceable rules.
You do what you want if it makes you feel better............
I believe they are provincial health officer orders actually.
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Look folks my comment about being reasonable vs an irrational world was meant as a joke.
There isn't much that is subjective about the definition of local but what is subjective is how to balance their desire to do something like go fishing where it requires travel, with the need for a community response to this public emergency. This may be one reason why the Provincial Health Officer's office has not decided not put hard numbers to its' use of the term "local area".
blaydRnr since you specifically used 50k as an example, I don't particularly take issue with that though I may not do it myself. But after that exactly where do we as a community do we start top draw a line as what can be accepted or what can not? I honestly get the feeling that many of the people who ask to question are looking for assurance they can travel some distance to fish when in their gut they know it's not going to meet a 'local area' test. The more people hear of other people breaking rules, the more likely they are to do so themselves. So perhaps if you have to ask maybe don't go.
Local is also only half the issue. There's been many problems documented within a local area. Some of the crowds on the Sea Wall a few weeks ago. VPD has subsequently done road checks & patrols on the public beaches to ensure compliance. Even within the block of 2 of my house I have seen stuff which clearly doesn't meet physical distancing directives. A neighbor says they know of a residence that has had large gatherings of friends and family on a regular basis.
The larger issue is the more "subjectiveness" that is accepted, the more tolerance for bending or breaking directives, the less effective they will be in controlling the outbreak. Just this morning it was announced that the number of cases at the recently closed Cargill Meat plant in Alberta was 480. It's an example of just quickly this thing can gte out of control and maybe lead to tighter restrictions than we have now.
So far we have had some good luck in BC, let's not blow it.
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Just for the record. I truly believe in physical distancing and have no intentions of doing any unnecessary travel whether it be fishing or equivalent. My responsibility is to my family to whom I would never put at risk. What I stated were mere examples of how vague the minister's guidelines were in defining what is acceptable and what is prohibited. I like to beach comb during low tide close to where I live, but because of closures I can't access the areas below the tide line. It's not to say I'm intending to go beach combing now, but would like clarity for the near future.
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It all comes down to common sense. If I get in my car and drive 50 kms by myself to a remote location and practice physical distancing why wouldn't that be acceptable? Essential travel should specifically refer to going to places where people gather. Right now, I can't even do things I normally do by myself because of the lack of accessibility. Let's not get the two confused...and some people on this board are just too quick to judge.
I would worry more about going to the grocery store than going somewhere outdoors where I can practice physical distancing.
Not judging nor am I confused actually, like you said everyone need to use some common sense and think about the big picture, rather than what suits their WANTS, not needs.
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I believe they are provincial health officer orders actually.
Yes of course, we can spin this conversation right back to where it started. Not taking the bait, I already know where you stand on this matter.
This really is unreal. I have refrained from commenting on any covid topic on all fronts since the beginning. I have stayed at home for 14 days on isolation because I had a family member return form another country, precautionary reason and ORDERS only. My isolation was only a no work isolation implemented by my employer who was trying to be part of the solution rather the have things go south. Since this isolation my employer has implemented a rotational schedule for the employees to limit contact with others. It appears to be working with 0 employees or their families having any issues.
Anyways this has been ongoing since March 18th, and like most Canadians has not considered the need to put my selfish needs to fish first opting to forgo any fishing other than 1 time, which was done LOCALLY. I honestly could be fishing locally everyday of the week using nothing but my feet to get me there and back but I have a hard time justifying the NEED. Do I care that I am not fishing everyday? No because I have other things in my life that are important to me, like my family and friends who I hope all get through this in relatively good shape.
Now, everyone else can use their own opinion or put their own twist on what they consider appropriate or not, but please use your brain and stop trying to twist everything to suit a WANT.
Enough ranting on my end, and please do not try and provoke a reply because you will not get it.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-trout-season-open-covid-19-coronavirus-1.5544140
The definition of local doesn't matter if you're going to go into towns or through towns that don't want us there at this time.
It should be quite easy, if they don't want us going through their town or stopping there, respect their wishes. It just takes one carrier that doesn't know they are sick (spreader) to start a possible outbreak. Just look at the outbreaks BC has had in the last 10 days. 2 poultry plants, prisons, infected oilsands workers coming back home from Alta (this is a big one)....
Btw, coming over the Port Mann Bridge a few days ago I counted 7 boats. Going over the Golden Ears a day later saw 4 boats. I'd like to hear their social distancing advice when on a boat because unless you have a big boat it's not happening .
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So say you had a cabin on a lake up country, and you packed enough supply’s and gas so you would not need to use out of town resources. How many of you would go?
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I would say most.
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I would say most.
;D
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So say you had a cabin on a lake up country, and you packed enough supply’s and gas so you would not need to use out of town resources. How many of you would go?
Well, let's say someone is just as prepared as you are BUT it's not your own Cabin but a resort cabin. The supply situation is the same. The resort is open and willing to take customers during the pandemic. Is this any different?
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Anyways this has been ongoing since March 18th, and like most Canadians has not considered the need to put my selfish needs to fish first opting to forgo any fishing other than 1 time, which was done LOCALLY. I honestly could be fishing locally everyday of the week using nothing but my feet to get me there and back but I have a hard time justifying the NEED. Do I care that I am not fishing everyday? No because I have other things in my life that are important to me, like my family and friends who I hope all get through this in relatively good shape.
Now, everyone else can use their own opinion or put their own twist on what they consider appropriate or not, but please use your brain and stop trying to twist everything to suit a WANT.
Well stated! The people that want to go fishing focus solely on the 6-foot distancing rule, as though it's the only consideration. Here's a quote I posted in another thread. It's from an article about how people disregard all the advice (other than the 6-foot rule) in order to justify non-essential outdoor activities.
"It’s really this simple:
Stay the F home
Don’t hang out with people you don’t live with
Avoid non-essential travel
Get outdoors in your neighbourhood for exercise
Keep your distance from people outside your household
Wash your hands
Remember: we’re all in this together. Your favourite hike lake isn’t going anywhere."
https://www.straight.com/covid-19-pandemic/hikers-please-stay-f-home
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I'm thinking that while I may want to travel 50/100/200 km to fish in a nice spot away from people, I need to stay local- in my case, Abbotsford. I don't think I should be fishing the Cap, Squamish, or Kawkawa because even though I am careful, I don't need to inadvertally spread the virus to those communities, nor bring back anything because of some encounter while I'm there. This virus needs to be isolated. That's the whole point regarding staying home, avoiding non-essential travel (is fishing really essential, as STS put so well?), and all that.
Incidentally, places like White Rock want people that aren't local to stay away. That was meant to mean anyone who was a non- resident of White Rock. The statements the officials made were pretty stern. So it was interesting that last week I was fishing my local lake and talking to a really nice guy from- you guessed it- White Rock. Just kinda ironic.
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Well I'll probably just stay around my area of Vancouver and do a little more beach fishing this season, don't exactly want to have any issues in terms of spreading or catching the virus. I get what they mean by the definition of "locally" cause honestly travelling from where I live all the way to Chilliwack wouldn't be seen as locally by any terms, but I guarantee there will be those who will still try to challenge the definition of "locally" unless we get more provincial clarity or wording put in like "No further than the boundry of one district to another such as Vancouver to Burnaby" or a km distancing parameter.
I can do without a year of salmon fishing on the Vedder as it's just a hobby and not a need, some people should understand this but rather take the definition of a hobby and make it sound like a neccesity as if their life depended on it. But once again I can imagine there will be some that will argue that it's a way of supplementing food on their table so that they can justify travelling out of their own local area.
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I didn't notice anyone mentioning this on this thread so I'm not sure if people understand that this virus is spread by physical contact (even touching something an infected person touched), droplet spread (coughing, sneezing, farting, crapping, etc), as well as probably AEROSOL spread (supported by New England Journal of Medicine published study, and the spread patterns and rapidity of spread). The NEJofM study says that (infectious) viral particles can remain in the air of a room for up to three hours and on a steel or wood surface for up to three days. You know; like measles. Therefore; your very presence in another community could spread pathogen to others; just by breathing. Additionally; the only PPE that works is N-95 masking and a face shield or glasses; the other masks help to some degree but not guaranteed to filter pathogen. To me, these are the items to weigh against going ANYWHERE right now.
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Aerosol spread is likely possible but given the contagion rate is at best insignificant source of contagion. Virus (like measles) that remain viable in free air long enough have contagion rates 2x or more higher than covid. As for getting the virus from farts or feces well people don't normally get close enough for droplet contact let alone get it into the lungs 2nd hand.[Yuck]
https://first10em.com/aerosols-droplets-and-airborne-spread/
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-can-become-aerosol-doesnt-mean-doomed/
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Right now, there is NO law saying we can't travel from the LM to Princeton/Merrit for a daytrip of flyfishing.
If a law comes into place that states we can't....then I'll will respect it.
A trip to Princeton/Merrit for me looks like this.
Full tank of gas before I leave the LM.
Lunch packed....enough food for 2 extra meals in the cooler.
First aid kit and any other medical stuff that I could need for most reasonable injuries or accidents.
All fishing gear accounted for...no stopping at local tackle shops.
Finding a quiet lake with somewhere I can park along the road or away from main areas.
Get out and into my float tube and keep my distance from anyone else (although my lakes are pretty empty most of the time)
Fish for 4 or 5 hours and have lunch by myself.
Get in my vehicle and drive home.
I don't need to stop for gas or snacks as that has already been taken care of.
Anyone complaining of me doing that is nothing more than an agenda to control my rights and to induce unnecessary fearmongering.
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Anyone complaining of me doing that is nothing more than an agenda to control my rights and to induce unnecessary fearmongering.
Coming from you of course, why doesn't that surprise us.
Sounds familiar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3p8DSaXGgA
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RG why are you always so angry? Take a prayer break ask JC for guidance and forgiveness.
Right now, there is NO law saying we can't travel from the LM to Princeton/Merrit for a daytrip of flyfishing.
If a law comes into place that states we can't....then I'll will respect it.
A trip to Princeton/Merrit for me looks like this.
Full tank of gas before I leave the LM.
Lunch packed....enough food for 2 extra meals in the cooler.
First aid kit and any other medical stuff that I could need for most reasonable injuries or accidents.
All fishing gear accounted for...no stopping at local tackle shops.
Finding a quiet lake with somewhere I can park along the road or away from main areas.
Get out and into my float tube and keep my distance from anyone else (although my lakes are pretty empty most of the time)
Fish for 4 or 5 hours and have lunch by myself.
Get in my vehicle and drive home.
I don't need to stop for gas or snacks as that has already been taken care of.
Anyone complaining of me doing that is nothing more than an agenda to control my rights and to induce unnecessary fearmongering.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3p8DSaXGgA
Makes me feel ill watching this. Sometimes I just can't even.
Calls to poison control are up 2-3x more than usual since Trump suggested testing disinfectants internally. I read about a guy who called poison control after he made his own mouthwash that included bleach. Someone else did a sinus rinse with some foaming detergent. Part of me wants to laugh and talk about Darwinism and survival of the fittest. Another part of me realizes that people this dumb affect others by spreading disinformation, thinking only of themselves, and making everyone's life worse. See above video. Sometimes I can't even :/
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I never though I would say this but I agree with Robert_G. :o
There is nothing wrong, imo, in leaving my house spending a day in the woods, and travelling back home.
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Makes me feel ill watching this. Sometimes I just can't even.
Calls to poison control are up 2-3x more than usual since Trump suggested testing disinfectants internally.
I personally think that's more a reflection on the average intelligence of a person in America.
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RG why are you always so angry? Take a prayer break ask JC for guidance and forgiveness.
Give me a break Ralph. This has nothing to do with being angry. I'm excited for my flyfishing solitude that is about to happen. I haven't been this excited about the interior fishing in years.....not to mention 75 cent a litre gas. Last year was $1.40. May is going to be awesome.
I never though I would say this but I agree with Robert_G. :o
There is nothing wrong, imo, in leaving my house spending a day in the woods, and travelling back home.
See....that didn't hurt so much....did it?
I personally think that's more a reflection on the average intelligence of a person in America.
Nailed it.
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Right now, there is NO law saying we can't travel from the LM to Princeton/Merrit for a daytrip of flyfishing.
If a law comes into place that states we can't....then I'll will respect it.
A trip to Princeton/Merrit for me looks like this.
Full tank of gas before I leave the LM.
Lunch packed....enough food for 2 extra meals in the cooler.
First aid kit and any other medical stuff that I could need for most reasonable injuries or accidents.
All fishing gear accounted for...no stopping at local tackle shops.
Finding a quiet lake with somewhere I can park along the road or away from main areas.
Get out and into my float tube and keep my distance from anyone else (although my lakes are pretty empty most of the time)
Fish for 4 or 5 hours and have lunch by myself.
Get in my vehicle and drive home.
I don't need to stop for gas or snacks as that has already been taken care of.
Anyone complaining of me doing that is nothing more than an agenda to control my rights and to induce unnecessary fearmongering.
And the imaginary fuel fairy with top up your tank for the next fishing, work, or grocery trip........... ;)
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RG why are you always so angry? Take a prayer break ask JC for guidance and forgiveness.
He's got nothing to worry about, stay angry now and look forward to eternal happiness afterward. ;D
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And the imaginary fuel fairy with top up your tank for the next fishing, work, or grocery trip........... ;)
What on earth are you talking about? There is no shortage of gas right now.
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What on earth are you talking about? There is no shortage of gas right now.
Well if you did not understand my comment then it actually helps paint the picture.
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Well if you did not understand my comment then it actually helps paint the picture.
Unless you are talking about the fact that I have to go to my "local" gas station an extra time here and there......but really? Who cares if I have to do an extra fill up each week.
What does that matter? I'm not worried about contracting or spreading Covid19 at the local gas station. Good grief.
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I personally think that's more a reflection on the average intelligence of a person in America.
Agree, Darwin theory should cull the herd a little.
Things like this happen to those that can’t think for themselves.
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And the imaginary fuel fairy with top up your tank for the next fishing, work, or grocery trip........... ;)
The irony in all this, is going to the grocery store (which is considered essential travel) is riskier than going to a secluded lake by himself....and going for groceries several times a month will eventually lead to needing gas.
The whole reason why restrictions came into play was the inability of the vast public to practice social/physical distancing. Families gathering for parties, friends gathering for picnics, going to restaurants, movies, and playing team sports... etc. It was a fail safe strategy to maximize control of crowds and isolate the cluster of infection.
Now it's gotten to the point were solo travel is considered taboo if not done for the purpose of "essential" even if it's deemed safer than going out to buy food.
If that was the case, then there should be no exceptions (whether local or not) to any lifting of restrictions because as mentioned before covid has no boundaries so if the threat is present it shouldn't matter where you are. No non essential travel, no boating, no fishing, no hunting...make it straight across the board to prevent any grey areas. Simple as that.
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Give me a break Ralph. This has nothing to do with being angry. I'm excited for my flyfishing solitude that is about to happen. I haven't been this excited about the interior fishing in years.....not to mention 75 cent a litre gas. Last year was $1.40. May is going to be awesome.
...and you are angry about someone suggesting may be it's best you don't.
Go ahead help your self absorbed self as there is no law. You don't even stop to come up with some incomprehensible styling of what local may be you just exploit the situation. No self justifying needed. In that sense my hat is off; Tah Tah.
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And the Darwin award goes to..........
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...and you are angry about someone suggesting may be it's best you don't.
Go ahead help your self absorbed self as there is no law. You don't even stop to come up with some incomprehensible styling of what local may be you just exploit the situation. No self justifying needed. In that sense my hat is off; Tah Tah.
Not self absorbed at all. Again, I'm not breaking any law...and they just deemed fishing/hunting essential, so I'm doing nothing wrong nor am I exploiting anyone. Barring something happening that is completely out of my control, I have a very well thought out social distancing plan to go fishing which doesn't put me or anyone else at risk.
Sorry, but you sound like the angry one now, or maybe you're just jealous that while you're browsing through Facebook grinning at TDS posts on the sheeple pages, I'll be out catching Pennask Rainbows on the dry.
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Right now, there is NO law saying we can't travel from the LM to Princeton/Merrit for a daytrip of flyfishing.
If a law comes into place that states we can't....then I'll will respect it.
Anyone complaining of me doing that is nothing more than an agenda to control my rights and to induce unnecessary fearmongering.
Even by my standards that the LM is considered “local” in terms of hunting or fishing, I think its a bit of a stretch to consider Merritt-Princeton as local, but the trip you describe certainly has less risk than you going to your neighbourhood grocery or liquor store!
However I would suggest that, in this time, to assert what your rights are is not a mature perspective. Agreed there are very few PHO orders governing our everyday lives and most of the precautions that we practice are merely guidelines and suggestions. But in times like this we voluntarily suspend some of our personal rights and freedoms in order to abide by the guidelines for the sake of social responsibility.
I don’t HAVE to do some of the stuff I do, and I CAN do some of the stuff I don’t, but I do or don’t because we are all in this together, and I’m part of a larger picture than just me.
Go solo dry fly fishing for Pennasks because you have considered the guidelines and can adhere to them and mitigate/eliminate risk. But don’t go cuz it’s your right. There is certainly a time and place to assert rights. This is neither.
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Not self absorbed at all. Again, I'm not breaking any law...and they just deemed fishing/hunting essential, so I'm doing nothing wrong nor am I exploiting anyone. Barring something happening that is completely out of my control, I have a very well thought out social distancing plan to go fishing which doesn't put me or anyone else at risk.
Sorry, but you sound like the angry one now, or maybe you're just jealous that while you're browsing through Facebook grinning at TDS posts on the sheeple pages, I'll be out catching Pennask Rainbows on the dry.
You are self absorbed, but probably more honest about what you intend to do and why, than some others.
BTW "something happening that is completely out of my control" is a good reason not to fish outside of your local area.
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My nabour met their mother for a picnic that lives in Kamloops half way.
Judging by people’s reactions here I should of chewed him out for such actions.
I felt bad tho because they just had a baby
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Your neighbor and their mother just had a baby?
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However I would suggest that, in this time, to assert what your rights are is not a mature perspective. Agreed there are very few PHO orders governing our everyday lives and most of the precautions that we practice are merely guidelines and suggestions. But in times like this we voluntarily suspend some of our personal rights and freedoms in order to abide by the guidelines for the sake of social responsibility.
Go solo dry fly fishing for Pennasks because you have considered the guidelines and can adhere to them and mitigate/eliminate risk. But don’t go cuz it’s your right. There is certainly a time and place to assert rights. This is neither.
This isn't about asserting my rights for the sake of asserting my rights. I WANT to go fishing...it's been deemed essential....and there is no laws saying I can't go....I have taken every precaution of safety that I can.....and for me personally, a quiet day of fly-fishing does wonders for my mental health and well being. If that isn't a good enough reason to do something that is deemed totally legal.....then I'm not sure what is.
BTW "something happening that is completely out of my control" is a good reason not to fish outside of your local area.
Which takes us back to the OP question. "Define Locally"
I already detailed my plan out....and it would be unfair for you to assert that I don't see it as local.
I have nailed it down to not having to interact with anyone barring a complete disaster.
I have taken every precaution and I can do the whole thing easily in less than a day.
I've read the guidelines for people who want to fish and I believe I'm am doing them in a responsible way. You may not agree and that is your opinion.
Again, while you're at home doing what it is you do, I'll be enjoying myself on some uncrowded lakes....and I'll be doing it 'locally'
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Environmentalists /clean air advocates would say local is 15 minute drive from your home....
Gas/oil companies hurting at this time ....would say.....please stay local and close by when you fish..
4 -8 hrs one way .....is ok. Buy gas support us.
Quebec / Ontario hit very bad....
Is their local different than our local ?
People who still are healthy may possibly start to get less fear about getting infected and their local is getting longer and longer.
Kinda like the zebra so thirsty is soooooo careful at the water pond infested with crocs.
Drinks a little then backs away....drinks a little and backs away....does this 20 x ...it gets a false sense of no danger.
It takes a longer drink ...so good !!!! Suddenly a 10 ft croc comes bursting out of the dirty water and pulls the zebra into the water.
5 more crocs swim over...withing secs 20 crocs.....not long after entire zebra is in the bellies of crocs.
Whatever your local is ...be careful...this virus can be so minor ...but it can also bite a person hard !!!
Fevers blood clots body chills can't breath sore throat and possibly very sick for weeks and weeks or even death in 2-3 days !!!!
Know of story...a trucker who had 2 days off. You know truckers are driving their rig 600-700 miles per day down highways...
So he wants to buy toilet paper ...drives with his family member to Mission...to Abby ....to Hope....Chilliwack and finally they find a package but it costs $10.
Out of protest he does not buy it because the price is too high.
This is a nice guy BUT driving all over the place and going into so many stores...risking getting infected and then finally finding a package still decides not to buy it !!!
Just spent how much on fuel too???????
Guess his local was going all over LML .
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Resorts planning on opening after the May long weekend, as long as this trend of low rates continues, so my guess we will be able to travel to our lakes for our spring fishing.
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lets hope so, a little bit of lake time will do eveybody some good
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Your neighbor and their mother just had a baby?
It's complicated.
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Aerosol spread is likely possible but given the contagion rate is at best insignificant source of contagion. Virus (like measles) that remain viable in free air long enough have contagion rates 2x or more higher than covid. As for getting the virus from farts or feces well people don't normally get close enough for droplet contact let alone get it into the lungs 2nd hand.[Yuck]
https://first10em.com/aerosols-droplets-and-airborne-spread/
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-can-become-aerosol-doesnt-mean-doomed/
Thanks for the links: more interesting info; however it does not support what you have stated in your post. I really don't want to debate as I don't have the time, and I wouldn't normally reply in this type of discussion, but I feel I have a duty to. I work with 10-12 specialist doctors, and lots of other health professionals, at a local hospital in a graduate-level capacity on the front line, and what I stated earlier is the outlook for infection we are currently dealing with as far as we can figure out, given the data we see. Take it or leave it; but please be cautious.
PS-Bonnie's watching ;D
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PS-Bonnie's watching ;D
Literally, laughed out loud! Thanks for that, and thanks for your service, bb.
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Which takes us back to the OP question. "Define Locally"
Here's a test.
Try asking the people who live in the immediate locality if you are fishing. Tell them where you are from and why you are there.
Ask them if they think you are a local.
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The last time I fished was good friday. Normally I would be spending 2-3 days a week fishing this time of year.... around squamish or chasing cutties up around the harrison.
I was driving up to my favourite trib around squamish and all the trails were blocked off with caution tape. Every house I drove by had a sign that said "locals only" "pandemic, no visitors" "keep out locals only"
I didn't feel local.
I live in van, my lunch was packed, filled my tank, brought my french press, coffee and a burner. I didn't see or talk to anyone. I understood that even though I had greatly reduced the risk and wasn't breaking any laws, seeing those signs played with my conscience. I wasn't welcome there, so I left.
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Here's a test.
Try asking the people who live in the immediate locality if you are fishing. Tell them where you are from and why you are there.
Ask them if they think you are a local.
Most of them don't want us from LM there at the best of times.... never mind during a virus outbreak.
I can't count the number of times hunting and fishing the interior that people who live up there have tried to say 'You're on my property' when I know I'm on crown land.
So no...that test isn't a good indicator.
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Most of them don't want us from LM there at the best of times.... never mind during a virus outbreak.
I can't count the number of times hunting and fishing the interior that people who live up there have tried to say 'You're on my property' when I know I'm on crown land.
Actually that's prob just you. Earn your respect, which you obviously haven't done.
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Actually that's prob just you. Earn your respect, which you obviously haven't done.
I don't think so. No one tells me to get off of crown land. I do not need to 'earn' anyone's respect to be on crown land.
What don't you understand about that?
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The Province posted some FAQ about hunting (and fishing) during the pandemic
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/sports-culture/recreation/fishing-hunting/fishing-and-hunting-covid-19-updates/faq-hunting-during-covid-19#locallly
You’ll notice that “locally” is more clearly defined in one of the FAQ and it Is uncannily similar to how I defined it earlier in this thread.
I can’t explain it. It’s a gift
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The Province posted some FAQ about hunting (and fishing) during the pandemic
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/sports-culture/recreation/fishing-hunting/fishing-and-hunting-covid-19-updates/faq-hunting-during-covid-19#locallly
You’ll notice that “locally” is more clearly defined in one of the FAQ and it Is uncannily similar to how I defined it earlier in this thread.
I can’t explain it. It’s a gift
I see zero mention of (and fishing) ???? Not sure anyone would consider the 2 the same.
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The Province posted some FAQ about hunting (and fishing) during the pandemic
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/sports-culture/recreation/fishing-hunting/fishing-and-hunting-covid-19-updates/faq-hunting-during-covid-19#locallly
You’ll notice that “locally” is more clearly defined in one of the FAQ and it Is uncannily similar to how I defined it earlier in this thread.
I can’t explain it. It’s a gift
Did the rooster crow?
The advice on the fishing page is a little different:
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/sports-culture/recreation/fishing-hunting/fishing
If you cannot fish safely, do not go fishing.
If you cannot meet all the Covid19 orders, guidance, and remain at least 2 meters (6 feet) apart, please defer your plans to fish.
To reduce risk and support the direction to stay home the Province has closed areas such as Parks and camping areas.
... with the Restart plan now published and parks being reopened for day use soon hopefully the worst has passed for the time being.
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I see zero mention of (and fishing) ???? Not sure anyone would consider the 2 the same.
Since I am "anyone", I guess can respond. For several reasons:
* In the guidelines, fishing and hunting are treated together i.e. "Fish and hunt locally"
* The FAQ is posted under the Fishing and Hunting COVID-19 page
* On another fishing board that I am a member of, another member emailed the provincial gov't for clarification on what "local" meant. The first reply a couple of weeks ago from the Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations, and Rural Development was "Unfortunately, there is no definition for ‘local’ when it comes to angling or hunting." A couple of days ago he got this follow up reply "Wildlife & Habitat Branch recently put together a list of frequently asked questions related to your enquiry. The FAQ’s can be found here https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/sports-culture/recreation/fishing-hunting/fishing-and-hunting-covid-19-updates/faq-hunting-during-covid-19. They are targeted towards hunting but should still be able to answer some of your questions. "
Did the rooster crow?
I thought I heard something that sounded similarly annoying
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LOL. Everyone deserves the chance to gloat.
If there was much hunting available this time of year, the comparison could be apt. However I don't think many will be interested in raccoon, skunk or coyote. Some people eat black bear and I have had it in the past. How about ravens? Time to eat a little crow!
In Region 2 most places close to residential areas are closed to shooting and often hunting. The extent of private property in many areas also limits hunting opportunities.
About the only hunters who need clarification as far as subsistence hunting goes ( doesn't apply to trophy and other hunting 'forms') would be FN nations hunters exercising their specific rights.
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Clarki if Ralph says your wrong your wrong. Just accept it a move on.
I have yet to see anyone on here change Ralphs train of thought or make he adjust his opinion.
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I see zero mention of (and fishing) ???? Not sure anyone would consider the 2 the same.
For someone who is a guide, I'm surprised how much you seem to side with the idea that we shouldn't be out fishing.
And to reply to this quote. Fishing and Hunting were simultaneously declared essential.
There is no reason to separate them in those list of instructions that were posted by clarki.
It's hot, the ice has melted, and the chironomids are about to hatch. I'm going fishing somewhere between Princeton/Merrit/Kamloops this weekend...and I'm going to be catching big Pennask Bows.
The rest of you can sit on your phones this weekend and pick out colors for the new masks you need to protect yourselves from the Plandemic.
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Clarki if Ralph says your wrong your wrong. Just accept it a move on.
I have yet to see anyone on here change Ralphs train of thought or make he adjust his opinion.
I didn't say he was wrong!
Tell you one thing though how far you can travel in a day without stopping is relative (not subjective). No way I can drive to Hope without stopping. Most days I can't make it to Chilliwack. Are the Sumas Rest stop washrooms closed? ;D
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For someone who is a guide, I'm surprised how much you seem to side with the idea that we shouldn't be out fishing.
And to reply to this quote. Fishing and Hunting were simultaneously declared essential.
There is no reason to separate them in those list of instructions that were posted by clarki.
It's hot, the ice has melted, and the chironomids are about to hatch. I'm going fishing somewhere between Princeton/Merrit/Kamloops this weekend...and I'm going to be catching big Pennask Bows.
The rest of you can sit on your phones this weekend and pick out colors for the new masks you need to protect yourselves from the Plandemic.
Nope you are wrong Robert, I am not a guide. How does it feel to be wrong after passing judgement? For all you know we could be neighbors?
I didn't say don't go out fishing, I was asking where fishing was included in the hunting explanation of local. Completely different recreation activity.
Yes both are essential, have a great weekend doing what you feel is appropriate.
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Since I am "anyone", I guess can respond. For several reasons:
* In the guidelines, fishing and hunting are treated together i.e. "Fish and hunt locally"
* The FAQ is posted under the Fishing and Hunting COVID-19 page
* On another fishing board that I am a member of, another member emailed the provincial gov't for clarification on what "local" meant. The first reply a couple of weeks ago from the Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations, and Rural Development was "Unfortunately, there is no definition for ‘local’ when it comes to angling or hunting." A couple of days ago he got this follow up reply "Wildlife & Habitat Branch recently put together a list of frequently asked questions related to your enquiry. The FAQ’s can be found here https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/sports-culture/recreation/fishing-hunting/fishing-and-hunting-covid-19-updates/faq-hunting-during-covid-19. They are targeted towards hunting but should still be able to answer some of your questions. "
I thought I heard something that sounded similarly annoying
Clarki, you can't post a hunting recommendation link and not get questioned how that fits into fishing.....Last time I checked the professional opinions of this site there was not one rod and reel listed on the Firearms ban list.
But thanks for the long explanation how you come up with the justification to do so..... I especially like the " well a friend of a friend said so" lol, ok that's just how I read it. :)
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Nope you are wrong Robert, I am not a guide. How does it feel to be wrong after passing judgement? For all you know we could be neighbors?
My apologies. I totally assumed you were this guiding service.
https://www.guidebc.com/ STS Guiding Services
I hope you can see where one might make the connection. I thought you chose your username to represent the guiding service.
Anyways....unlike many others here, I'm not afraid to admit it when I'm wrong. Again....my apologies.
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Apologizes, then makes excuses.
Never fails lol...
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Apologizes, then makes excuses.
Never fails lol...
Im not sure one could act more pathetic than to make a post like you just did.
I apologized and I meant it. Is that not good enough for you oh perfect one?
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thanks for the long explanation
You're very welcome sts. Although somehow I doubt the sincerity of your gratitude :)
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You're very welcome sts. Although somehow I doubt the sincerity of your gratitude :)
😎👍
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as I said above ... it looks like the restart BC program will park the argument until late next fall when the 2nd Wave (Alvin Toffler anyone) arrives.
Let's hope this is not the case or the argument may reoccur annually much like the sockeye flossing debate.
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Since I am "anyone", I guess can respond. For several reasons:
* In the guidelines, fishing and hunting are treated together i.e. "Fish and hunt locally"
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if I say "apple and oranges" is it the word 'and' that makes them the same? Much like 'man and woman'. Now they are the same?
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if I say "apple and oranges" is it the word 'and' that makes them the same? Much like 'man and woman'. Now they are the same?
I feel like this is a trick question. Kind of like playing chess..."I know there's a trap here, I just can't see it yet" :)
No, the "and" doesn't make them the same. Apples and oranges are different fruit, men and women are different genders and hunting and fishing are different activities.
However, by being consistently linked together in all of the gov't publications and guidelines and NGO publications, that suggests that hunting and fishing, while different, are being treated in the same manner.
So when the Province releases Fishing and Hunting guidelines, and we are asked to fish and hunt locally, and fish and hunt this way and fish and hunt that way, when the Province releases a def'n of hunting locally, it seems reasonable that the same def'n of local also applies to fishing. Kind of like a transitive law logic.
Also the BCWF has published FAQs https://bcwf.bc.ca/hunting-and-angling-during-covid-19-faq/
One Q is "What does it mean when the government (or Public Health Office) says to hunt or angle locally?
A: While there is currently no definition, it is best to use common sense. The PHO does not want people travelling to or using services in other communities.
The BCWF suggests hunting and fishing to areas you can leave your house and return the same day without having to stop to purchase any supplies such as fuel or food.
The last sentence sounds remarkably similar to the Province's guidelines for hunting.
Granted, the BCWF is NOT the PHO but they have been working hand in hand to bring clarity and guidance to the the province's hunters and anglers. To me, another piece of evidence that "local" can be interpreted the same for hunting and fishing.
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No way I can drive to Hope without stopping. Most days I can't make it to Chilliwack. Are the Sumas Rest stop washrooms closed? ;D
Not uncommon among men of your...maturity.
No wonder you define "local" as your neighbourhood. That's as far as you can get without having to go wee. :)
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Not uncommon among men of your...maturity.
the word is old.
In the current pandemic I think a lot about my wife's Grandparents. They lived through the 30s and WW2. Her grandfather (Papa) was a youth in WW1 and by WW2 was running a business that was considered strategically significant so could neither be drafted or join the services. Papa loved to fish. He built his business through the 30s and then came WW2. I use to enjoy talking to him about fishing around BC in the 1st half of the last century. He had fishing memories going back to around 1913 or so. He didn't fish much in the 30s because there was his business and many other people had nothing so Papa and Nana did what they could. It wasn't unusual for people to give 'vagrants' a meal or 2 and a place to sleep for a night. He also said very few people did any fishing during the war. Most young men and many women had enlisted while for others there was lots of work to be done for the war effort, with long days and short weekends. Then there was gas rationing so he couldn't even obtain gas to go bar fishing out in Langley. That lasted well into '46...so he basically went about 6 years without fishing at all. That was common.
It seems some people can't even go a few weeks. We have no idea what hardship and sacrifice are. I could wax philosophical on this but will leave it at that.
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aeems Like they have define local as fishing in your community
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/sports-culture/recreation/fishing-hunting/fishing-and-hunting-covid-19-updates
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Most of the people who outta read that are currently out of town on their May long weekend fishing trip!
Seriously it's more mixed messaging. What's needed is something more specific like a radius of travel that meets the directive.
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I think they do it know that most people will follow it and know some will not but as long as they get a general compliance there okay with it.
The government seems to do stuff like that Where it relies on the goodie good people that follow the rules.
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I think they do it know that most people will follow it and know some will not but as long as they get a general compliance there okay with it.
The government seems to do stuff like that Where it relies on the goodie good people that follow the rules.
True. There was one Dr I heard at the start of the pandemic who said if there was 50 to 60% compliance that would be enough to flatten the curve.
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True. There was one Dr I heard at the start of the pandemic who said if there was 50 to 60% compliance that would be enough to flatten the curve.
If 50-60% of anglers picked up trash when they went out fishing, it would be enough to offset the damage caused by litterbugs :P
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Most of the people who outta read that are currently out of town on their May long weekend fishing trip!
Seriously it's more mixed messaging. What's needed is something more specific like a radius of travel that meets the directive.
I agree.
I am spending the weekend off the 24 and its very quiet. Although I did see the odd xamper in an official rec site, all the resorts i have seen are jammed pack including Eagle Island Resort where I am. You'd swear there wasn't any guidelines set out by the province up here. Community washrooms and full on, kids running around, pretty normal May long to me ( feels nice ). I seriously doubt everyone here in a "Local". The only place where I felt like there is a pandemic going on is the little fly shop in Little Fort. As soon as I opened the door a bottle of hand sanitizer was shoved in my face. I'd say fishing uo here this May Long is down 80% from years past. Very quiet except for the lodges.
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Eagle Island Resort where I am. You'd swear there wasn't any guidelines set out by the province up here.
You mean the request to avoid non essential, inter community, travel during the May long?
Yes, I would swear that the vacationers at Eagle Island Resort aren’t following the guidelines 😀
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You mean the request to avoid non essential, inter community, travel during the May long?
Yes, I would swear that the vacationers at Eagle Island Resort aren’t following the guidelines 😀
What are you saying? Pot,kettle? Lol
Or, upon reflection, troll?
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You mean the request to avoid non essential, inter community, travel during the May long?
Yes, I would swear that the vacationers at Eagle Island Resort aren’t following the guidelines 😀
Travel is allowed for an ESSENTIAL SERVICE. Fishing is essential under the governments recommendation. Nothing wrong with traveling for fishing.
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Travel is allowed for an ESSENTIAL SERVICE. Fishing is essential under the governments recommendation. Nothing wrong with traveling for fishing.
Dude why stir the pot,Lol, seems like people want to just start arguments now a days lol.
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Travel is allowed for an ESSENTIAL SERVICE. Fishing is essential under the governments recommendation. Nothing wrong with traveling for fishing.
catch and release angling as an essential service. Is that an example of post modern absurdity? ::)
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catch and release angling as an essential service. Is that an example of post modern absurdity? ::)
It's already been stated that hunting/fishing is essential for BOTH food and mental well being....but you were never on the side of the fishermen anyways.....
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It's already been stated that hunting/fishing is essential for BOTH food and mental well being....but you were never on the side of the fishermen anyways.....
BooM !
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It's already been stated that hunting/fishing is essential for BOTH food and mental well being....but you were never on the side of the fishermen anyways.....
I think you like looking at what you type and reactions your pretty funny, sure go fishing, get outside, be safe, I think you just sit at home and see what you can type to piss people off, I think Ralph should start a poll, for a few people to see if they need a time out.
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I think there are a few people who can't see the humour in some things, but not much more than that.
No need for mob inspired censorship.
It's already been stated that hunting/fishing is essential for BOTH food and mental well being....
Very true RG... you do need to fish more.
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I think you like looking at what you type and reactions your pretty funny, sure go fishing, get outside, be safe, I think you just sit at home and see what you can type to piss people off, I think Ralph should start a poll, for a few people to see if they need a time out.
You bitter about something?....and I did spend all last weekend fly-fishing the interior and took flak from this message board by some for it. Covid or not, I don't drive up the interior on the May long weekend. I'll be going back this coming weekend I think.
Anyways...not sure how long you've been around, but I've been posting on different sites with Ralph since the late 90s and after 20 years+ it's become obvious to me and to others (and in shorter time), that he is not on the side of the sport fishermen. He never has been. Many many people on different fishing forums have questioned his loyalties in the past and recently (not just me) and many of them will agree his loyalty is not with the sporties…..so when he makes a post like that....I like to remind him that he needs to question himself why he's even here when he could care less whether we ever get to fish again....regardless of the circumstance.
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Ok your right, all good.
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Travel is allowed for an ESSENTIAL SERVICE. Fishing is essential under the governments recommendation. Nothing wrong with traveling for fishing.
The guidelines are to hunt and fish LOCALLY (see..my all caps works too!). At it's most generous interpretation by the Province and BCWF, local has been described as same day travel and avoiding overnight trips.
The irony of you being on an overnight trip and saying that others at the resort were not following the guidelines was just too rich to pass up.
Many many people on different fishing forums have questioned his loyalties in the past and recently (not just me) and many of them will agree his loyalty is not with the sporties
I'm on some of the same forums and I don't recall the "many, many" people you speak of. I guess I need to read more closely...
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I'm on some of the same forums and I don't recall the "many, many" people you speak of. I guess I need to read more closely...
Or just look up what 'loyalty' means.....
I'm not trying to make him look bad intentionally. He does it to himself. Reading his posts....I see a guy that could care less if the sports fishermen ever get a piece of the pie again.....how do you not see that?
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Or just look up what 'loyalty' means.....
I'm not trying to make him look bad intentionally. He does it to himself. Reading his posts....I see a guy that could care less if the sports fishermen ever get a piece of the pie again.....how do you not see that?
I’m familiar with the word.
I was unaware that “many, many people on different fishing forums had questioned his loyalties”. I wondered if that was an exaggeration, or if I was just not reading thoroughly enough.
Funny thing loyalties. Maybe he’s being loyal to (and consistent with) his own values. Isn’t that what we want? People to speak from their own values? Who am I to dictate what his values must be and what he must be loyal to?
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The guidelines are to hunt and fish LOCALLY (see..my all caps works too!). At it's most generous interpretation by the Province and BCWF, local has been described as same day travel and avoiding overnight trips.
The irony of you being on an overnight trip and saying that others at the resort were not following the guidelines was just too rich to pass up.
I'm on some of the same forums and I don't recall the "many, many" people you speak of. I guess I need to read more closely...
Travel for essential services is ok. Let's not get things mixed up here folks. The is NOT a ban on travel or camping. Never has been. Don't take your anger out on people who actually have the ambition to go camping. You remeber what that was like right ? 50 years ago when you had the strength to do things ? Maybe not.
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Travel for essential services is ok. Let's not get things mixed up here folks. The is NOT a ban on travel or camping. Never has been. Don't take your anger out on people who actually have the ambition to go camping. You remeber what that was like right ? 50 years ago when you had the strength to do things ? Maybe not.
It's possible to take an opposing view to someone, have a discussion, and not be angry.
Of course, I can't remember 50 years ago. I can barely remember where I left my flip phone.
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Anyways...not sure how long you've been around, but I've been posting on different sites with Ralph since the late 90s and after 20 years+ it's become obvious to me and to others (and in shorter time), that he is not on the side of the sport fishermen. He never has been. Many many people on different fishing forums have questioned his loyalties in the past and recently (not just me) and many of them will agree his loyalty is not with the sporties…..so when he makes a post like that....I like to remind him that he needs to question himself why he's even here when he could care less whether we ever get to fish again....regardless of the circumstance.
I dunno Robert, Ralph is one of the very few people on this site that advocates for the fish ... imo, we need more of that.
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I dunno Robert, Ralph is one of the very few people on this site that advocates for the fish ... imo, we need more of that.
I would believe that but I’ve seen Ralph advocate for FN Gillnet fisheries while at the same time troll guys that sports fishing is closed and he don’t care.
I bet you can’t find one thread where Ralph says one bad thing about FN fisheries.
He was even in this thread defending illegal gillnet fishing. http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=43439.45
When pressed on it he chose to change the topic. I agree with Robert G about Ralph’s motives.
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I dunno Robert, Ralph is one of the very few people on this site that advocates for the fish ... imo, we need more of that.
Thanks Dave, what a nice thing to say.
He was even in this thread defending illegal gillnet fishing. http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=43439.45
When pressed on it he chose to change the topic. I agree with Robert G about Ralph’s motives.
LOL! There is nothing I wrote in that thread that supported illegal gill net fshing. FN openings posted by DFO are not illegal.
That said, I no longer feed the trolls.
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It's possible to take an opposing view to someone, have a discussion, and not be angry.
You're right...everyone is entitled to their view and opinion. The question I have for you then is this:
This is a message board for sports fishermen...some for sport....some for sport and food. In order for this message board to exist, we need OPPORTUNITIES to fish.
Whenever someone here posts a topic on whether or not the sports fishermen will either possibly gain or lose an opportunity on a given lake or stream....Ralph always advocates against us. I'm not making this up. His own posts condemn him. So the question is....WHY DOES HE WANT TO BE HERE?
The rest of us want the rivers and lakes open and to have access to those places so we can fish where ever it is possible. I honestly don't even think he cares if there are any openings for us.
Here is an example. Let's say you went to a message board about 'Drones'....everyone there loves drones and loves to talk about drones.
Much like fishing, there is politics, ethics, and debate about drones.
Imagine someone like myself who has never used a drone in his life....doesn't care about drones....entering one of their ethical debates about drones like a bull in a china shop and then telling all of them that drones are bad....they are an invasion of privacy.....everyone there should stop using their drones....even though drones are something I know very little about or spent time researching. I'm pretty sure I would not be very well liked there....and people would tell me to leave and go to some other message board where I actually want to contribute.
That has Ralph written all over it. He does contribute to certain topics, but he never contributes positively when it comes to advocating and standing up for our right to fish. His own posts show that he'd rather see us out of the water and not fishing UNTIL all the other user groups are fishing....and even then.....I still am not convinced that he wants us out there...That's why he irritates so many people here and at other fishing message boards too. I think he actually gets some sort of strange happiness when he sees us kicked off the river.
You may not agree with me, but it appears to some extent that wildmanyeah does as well as hikeandfish…..and dare I say Nog would agree.…..as much as I don't like speaking for others....but I'm not the only one who thinks and sees this.
I dunno Robert, Ralph is one of the very few people on this site that advocates for the fish ... imo, we need more of that.
I never accused Ralph on not advocating for the fish.....not once in the 20+ years have I done that. Ralph is fine when it comes to conservation.
However....once there is a surplus of fish stocks in Ralphs mind of even 1 fish.....he's quick to hand it over to FNs. If the surplus is more than that...he will still advocate for FNs to get as many fish as they want.....even if that number is in the millions before the sporties even get one fish.
When it comes to the Fraser and tributary salmon.....I simply can't recall one post where he advocated for the sports fishermen to have a 'share' in the opportunities. So I stand by what I say....and yes....others have also called him out on it....its not just me and not just on this message board.
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don't feed the troll!
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So many opinions, but one thing is decisively clear though. Robert is in love with Ralph.
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“Great people talk about ideas, average people talk about themselves, and small people talk about others” (John C. Maxwell)
Let's not be small.
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“Great people talk about ideas, average people talk about themselves, and small people talk about others” (John C. Maxwell)
Let's not be small.
".....and people who are without loyalty to a cause they claim matters to them aren't team players, and need to be called out and corrected..."
It's ok to call someone out when they say they are one thing but act and talk something completely different.