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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: avid angler on November 01, 2019, 06:54:52 PM
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Did anyone else see this for the short time it was advertised on social media? Advertising fresh chum roe a day after a fn opening. With chum 300k below minimum escapement and IFS at less then 150 returning fish I’m absolutely appalled at Freds for selling out to the most disgusting, destructive and least sustainable net fishery we have in the lower mainland.
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People were asking his source and instead of answering the question he pulled the add.
Very weird and sketchy
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It looks really really bad.
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I highly doubt the bait came from the FSC fishery. First of all it would be illegal as this is a non-commercial fishery, there is not a chance that Fred would be buying roe from participants of this fishery and openly advertising the sale.
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I hope your right Rodney but it’s bad optics to suddenly have fresh chum roe for sale, one day after the first chum opening of the season. Then say nothing about their source when asked just looks horrible.
Not to mention everyone knows how many FSC caught sockeye and chinook wind up for sale. So to say FN caught chum parts wouldn’t be for sale is unrealistic.
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As a business owner you do whatever it takes sometimes. I can understand. You folks say he took the add down after being accused of having a FN source? It sure is very telling tho. Personally if it were me I would have kept the add up and denied denied denied. Who cares at the end of the day. I dont see people on this forum accuse the guides on the river of having FN sources for their bait during salmon closures.
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I dont get why he would not just answered the question. Why pull the add?
it was advertised as fresh uncured chum roe in vacuumed sealed bags. The day after the FSC opening.
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As a business owner you do whatever it takes sometimes. I can understand. You folks say he took the add down after being accused of having a FN source? It sure is very telling tho. Personally if it were me I would have kept the add up and denied denied denied. Who cares at the end of the day. I dont see people on this forum accuse the guides on the river of having FN sources for their bait during salmon closures.
Thompson steelhead are a real soft spot for a lot of people. Those are the people who care. I spend thousands in freds every year and they lost my business over this.
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Yeah ok. Let’s all make decisions based on speculations.
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Yeah ok. Let’s all make decisions based on speculations.
If the store would of just answered questions on the post then we would not be. Instead the store just decided to take down the post.
so now we speculate
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Phone them up if you want an answer, it really isn't that difficult.
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I did. They refused to say. I understand Fred is a sponsor Rodney and it puts you in a position where you have to give them the benefit of the doubt. But it’s no secret Fred loves his money. There is nowhere else they could have acquired fresh chum eggs this year.
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Uh no... I give Fred the benefit of the doubt because we spend a big chunk of our free time dealing with fishery advocacy and conservation crap that most people can't be bothered with. There's no reason for Fred to acquire roe illegally to profit what... less than 0.01% of the store's annual revenues? It's ridiculous.
Plus Fred's in Mexico. If you want to very concerned, email him.
And yes, Fred's is an advertiser on the website. Advertisers come and go over the years, it's not a concern of mine when addressing issues that may concern an advertiser. All are aware that I am fair on handling these issues, otherwise I'd just be deleting this thread and couldn't give a damn about what you want to say.
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Then where else was there a chum fishery this year where fresh chum roe could have been legally acquired.
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You're asking me where I think the roe was acquired? I don't know, I didn't even see the post. Find out from Fred, and report back.
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With Fred in Cabo perhaps it was a employee posting the ad?
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Maybe the roe came from Alaska?
Oolichans have been shut down on the Fraser for years and there are Oolichans for sale every year but they dont come from the Fraser.
Wow,what a witch hunt.lol
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test catches are sold also see. FN1101-Amendment to FN1089 -Communal Sale Fishery - Salmon and Groundfish: Integrated Hook and Line - Five Nations - Fishery Re-opening maybe from here.
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All possible but also unlikely considering it’s advertised as being fresh. The test fishery roe goes to Bruce’s market where it’s sold for more money then Freds was asking. So I doubt it. If it was pre frozen and could have been from anywhere and there wouldn’t be an issue.
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Thompson steelhead are a real soft spot for a lot of people. Those are the people who care. I spend thousands in freds every year and they lost my business over this.
Grow up. Honestly. There are so many streams, rivers, creeks and sloughs in the Fraser watershed that have lost entire runs of salmon and Steel already. BC Hydro and others ( yep fishermen included ) that have made some streams void of the special genetic stain of fish that once called these places home. I'm supposed to place a greater importance on one type of fish from a particular place and put it on a pedestal? Not likely. They're all important.
This is you're one and only reason to not shop at Fred's? Next time you flick the power on in your home, think of all the dead fry in a stream somewhere because an IPP decided to stock the holding pond.
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Grow up. Honestly. There are so many streams, rivers, creeks and sloughs in the Fraser watershed that have lost entire runs of salmon and Steel already. BC Hydro and others ( yep fishermen included ) that have made some streams void of the special genetic stain of fish that once called these places home. I'm supposed to place a greater importance on one type of fish from a particular place and put it on a pedestal? Not likely. They're all important.
This is you're one and only reason to not shop at Fred's? Next time you flick the power on in your home, think of all the dead fry in a stream somewhere because an IPP decided to stock the holding pond.
There is plenty of people who feel the same way as me about the current situation. Everyone has the right to decide what they feel is right and wrong and choose where they shop and why. This isn’t the only reason I’m making this choice but it is the nail in the coffin for me. My morals tell me that wiping out IFS, for a chum net fishery is wrong. So I am choosing not to support a business that I believe supported this practice.
People boycott businesses all the time for personal reasons. Someone might stop going to restaurants they received bad service from, A small business owner who lost their income because a strip mall opened up in their town and took their clients might choose not to shop at that strip mall.. Maybe someone won’t support a store because their prejudice against their sexual orientation or maybe they treat animals inhumanly.. You going to tell them to grow up as well?
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Fred supporting this practice? Seriously?
Fred and I sit together at the same table for hours each month squeezing out ideas to better this community including ways to cut back the in-river net fisheries. What a bloody insult.
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Fred supporting this practice? Seriously?
Fred and I sit together at the same table for hours each month squeezing out ideas to better this community including ways to cut back the in-river net fisheries. What a bloody insult.
AA is not the only wondering wtf is going on with this situation. There have been multiple posts by Fraser valley fishing addicts Facebook page and many of the members there also wondering after trying to make direct inquiries on this. The posts on freds page has been deleted as well as multiple posts on FVFA page.
I don’t understand how hard it would of been to simply say we get our fresh uncured chum roe from commercially validating landings or something to that order.
The whole new craze for sturgeon bait is getting to be a bit out of control and starting to be a black sport on the recreational industry.
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Big deal. Go find out where the roe is coming from by keep asking them if you really want to know. Personally I couldn't care less if AA or anyone else decide to boycott a store. Go for it. When good deals come around, everyone will jump off the wagon and rush back.
It's the last statement that I have a problem with. Concerned about IFS? Get off your butt and do something about it instead of bitching about someone who actually goes out of his way to make a difference.
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Rodney I like many have written to politicians, signed and shared petitions, donated money to the steelhead society. But beyond that it’s hard for the average joe that doesn’t have deep ties to the industry to find ways to volunteer there time and money. Are there meetings the general public can sit in on? Is there somewhere online we can find lists of fishery related events that require volunteers?
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I don't think Fred would risk his reputation by dealing with unethically or illegally sourced roe.
What really surprises me is that he keeps selling chum roe at all, given the dire situation with their numbers.
In his place, I'd push artificials over roe - I'm sure he makes much, much more money on spoons, spinners, jigs, plastics, flies, and so on than on bags of roe, cured or not.
I was on the Squamish, Mamquam and Cheakamus today.
Where a few years back you couldn't wade the river without being bumped by chum salmon, it is ghost town this fall. :(
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Rodney I like many have written to politicians, signed and shared petitions, donated money to the steelhead society. But beyond that it’s hard for the average joe that doesn’t have deep ties to the industry to find ways to volunteer there time and money. Are there meetings the general public can sit in on? Is there somewhere online we can find lists of fishery related events that require volunteers?
X2. What else can we do?
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it's the system that fails you. every time you vote you legitimize the system. doesn't matter who you vote for. they all act within their constraints. to break free from the constraints don't give credit where it does not belong.
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it's the system that fails you. every time you vote you legitimize the system. doesn't matter who you vote for. they all act within their constraints. to break free from the constraints don't give credit where it does not belong.
BOOM !
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it's the system that fails you. every time you vote you legitimize the system. doesn't matter who you vote for. they all act within their constraints. to break free from the constraints don't give credit where it does not belong.
So you're saying not to vote???
Did you follow the whole deal with J Wilkinson the Fisheries Minister/N Van MP and a few key members of the local fishery such as Highwater Tackle, Bon Chovy and Pacific Angler (many others too) trying to draw attention to the mismanagement? Even followed by Gibbs Delta later on trying to focus voters attention close to the election.
Defeat of the Fisheries Minister would have sent a strong message to the PM how much people care about the situation but unfortunately that wasn't the case. The current Liberals in power have zero interests in our passion, no mater how much we organise and protest it will have any consequence upon them until key members of the party are removed from office.
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Did you follow the whole deal with J Wilkinson the Fisheries Minister/N Van MP and a few key members of the local fishery such as Highwater Tack
you can't see the forest for the trees.
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One time I was fishing the Vedder and a DFO suspected me of using barb hooks because he saw me change up as he approached. After 20 minutes of interrogation and showing him all my hooks (which were all barbless or pinched) he reluctantly accepted my explanation that I didn't even see him coming and that I was merely switching from a blade back to roe. Let's just say it ruined my whole fishing experience for that day because I was the only person short floating while a dozen other guys were flossing up stream from where I was and not one of them got harassed like I did.
Doesn't take a genius to understand the moral of this true story.
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... I spend thousands in freds every year and they lost my business over this.
I suspect you're exaggerating the amount you spend at Fred's because unless you're changing all your gear year after year, you would be hard pressed to spend that much on line, hooks, and floats.
Since we're talking ethics, are you also going to boycott every store that sells bouncing betties or are you only concerned about the fact that you have no idea where Fred got his roe and their lack of immediate response to which you feel personally entitled?
It kinda sucks to get called out without merit. How does it feel?
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I suspect you're exaggerating the amount you spend at Fred's because unless you're changing all your gear year after year, you would be hard pressed to spend that much on line, hooks, and floats.
Since we're talking ethics, are you also going to boycott every store that sells bouncing betties or are you only concerned about the fact that you have no idea where Fred got his roe and their lack of immediate response to which you feel personally entitled?
It kinda sucks to get called out without merit. How does it feel?
Literally every actual tackle store pulled the betties off the shelf’s after the last sockeye opening so nice try. Yes I do spend a couple thousand dollars in fishing tackle every year. Not that hard when your lucky enough to fish more days then not. Hell a decent pair or waders is over 500 bucks now
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I suspect you're exaggerating the amount you spend at Fred's because unless you're changing all your gear year after year, you would be hard pressed to spend that much on line, hooks, and floats.
How do you know AA is only buying lines, hooks and floats? As far as boycotting the store unless it was a large amount of customers it won’t make any difference to Fred’s bottom line. Has anyone gone inside the store and asked where the fresh chum roe was sourced?
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I’m sure the store got it legally, theres other stores that sell fresh chum roe,why wouldn’t we give Fred’s the benefit of the doubt,this thread seems more of a attack on his business. Go in and ask questions,
grab a couple lbs and try it out.
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I suspect you're exaggerating the amount you spend at Fred's because unless you're changing all your gear year after year, you would be hard pressed to spend that much..............
I disagree.
I see those people on the flow every time out.
I am sure you do too blaydRnr.
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I know lots of people who spend over $1000 annually on fishing gear .. consider a custom rod is $800-$1000, reels several hundred, waders, boots, etc.
It seems to me this could have been put to rest a long time ago if Fred's staff had simply explained where the roe is from; having this controversy ferment like it is seems to me to be poor business.
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Its not hard to spend over a thousand dollars annually especially if you fish multiple fisheries that require different methods. Not only that but I buy things like knives, smoker wood chips, downrigger parts ect from fishing stores.
From a market perspective its been interesting to see what's transpired over the last 20 years. With salmon fisheries closing down at a rapid rate so much of the marketing and effort has been switched to sturgeon. During salmon season seeing 10 boats out sturgeon fishing would of been an anomaly 20 years ago. Now it's in the 100's and its 365 days a year.
considering i know some people that spend 25-100 bucks on bait each outing is not uncommon. Afterall if your fishing sturge hard you need a nice assortment of roe, salmon strips, and ollies. The recreational bait market is a decent market. During the sockeye run guys are out looking for sockeye parts after all it's the Match the Hatch when your Sturg fishing.
I doubt that the roe came from an illegal source but why not just answer the question after multiple people inquired.
Its not hard to wonder why people want to know. Roe has not been an easy thing to come by this year.
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Does Fishing with Rod get boycotted for supporting Fred's Custom Tackle? :D
Ways to help IFS and other fishery challenges...
- Join an established organization like the Steelhead Society, Fraser Valley Salmon Society, Fraser River Sportfishing Alliance. Attend meetings, either the AGM or participate in smaller director meetings and contribute your ideas.
- Participate in the SFAC, even just sitting there to gather information.
- Get more people into fishing. This group is lacking numbers and continue to shrink. We are not significant enough to have an impact at the political platforms.
- Support events like the Wally Hall Jr Memorial Derby, Steelhead Society's fundraiser, Vedder River Cleanup, I need help for "Chilliwack's All About Fishing" on March 14th next year.
- Continuously make IFS an issue with your local MP. Once conversations on these issues at the parliament, they no longer are important.
My problem with this discussion isn't that the source of the roe has not been disclosed. I didn't see the post, I don't know what were said, and I don't know the answers, so I can't and am not going to comment on it. Call the store to find out. My problem is this misinformation being spread about Fred only in it for the personal financial gain, when it is in fact the complete opposite. If you go to Fred and mention that you have an event that needs support, the answer is always yes and there's always a donation. The river cleanups get prizes, Wally Hall Jr Memorial Derby gets prizes, staff hours to run it at the store, last year he puts in $1000 so I could run "Chilliwack's All About Fishing", youth fishing program, other smaller derbies, donating the store space after hours for meetings, the list goes on.... Quit judging people by rumours and what you are perceiving without talking to them.
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- Participate in the SFAC, even just sitting there to gather information.
When is the fall meeting scheduled for chilliwack? date, time and location please. NVM found it online thanks for bringing it up.
November 14, 2019 SC Local SFAC Chilliwack Coast Chilliwack Hotel 45920 First Ave., Chilliwack, BC
6:30 p.m. – 9:30 p.m.
Contact: Barbara Mueller, Fraser Recreational Fisheries Manager
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Does Fishing with Rod get boycotted for supporting Fred's Custom Tackle? :D
Ways to help IFS and other fishery challenges...
- Join an established organization like the Steelhead Society, Fraser Valley Salmon Society, Fraser River Sportfishing Alliance. Attend meetings, either the AGM or participate in smaller director meetings and contribute your ideas.
- Participate in the SFAC, even just sitting there to gather information.
- Get more people into fishing. This group is lacking numbers and continue to shrink. We are not significant enough to have an impact at the political platforms.
- Support events like the Wally Hall Jr Memorial Derby, Steelhead Society's fundraiser, Vedder River Cleanup, I need help for "Chilliwack's All About Fishing" on March 14th next year.
- Continuously make IFS an issue with your local MP. Once conversations on these issues at the parliament, they no longer are important.
My problem with this discussion isn't that the source of the roe has not been disclosed. I didn't see the post, I don't know what were said, and I don't know the answers, so I can't and am not going to comment on it. Call the store to find out. My problem is this misinformation being spread about Fred only in it for the personal financial gain, when it is in fact the complete opposite. If you go to Fred and mention that you have an event that needs support, the answer is always yes and there's always a donation. The river cleanups get prizes, Wally Hall Jr Memorial Derby gets prizes, staff hours to run it at the store, last year he puts in $1000 so I could run "Chilliwack's All About Fishing", youth fishing program, other smaller derbies, donating the store space after hours for meetings, the list goes on.... Quit judging people by rumours and what you are perceiving without talking to them.
I couldn't agree more ! It's sometimes hard to believe it's grown men putting up some of these posts.
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I don't even know why you'd buy his chum roe when his sturgeon roe is so much better and it comes with a free shark fin soup 8)
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- Get more people into fishing. This group is lacking numbers and continue to shrink. We are not significant enough to have an impact at the political platforms.
As someone who has often been fishing the LML rivers, southern interior lakes and the Squamish and it's tribs and even the chuck in the last two decades, the above statement is hard to believe. My first hand observation is that the number of anglers everywhere in our region has exploded in recent years.
Why do people (including you Rod) keep saying that the number of recreational anglers' is shrinking?
Is that based on the number of licenses sold?
If so, then a helluva lot of people are fishing without a license, i.e. illegally.
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Does Fishing with Rod get boycotted for supporting Fred's Custom Tackle? :D
Ways to help IFS and other fishery challenges...
- Join an established organization like the Steelhead Society, Fraser Valley Salmon Society, Fraser River Sportfishing Alliance. Attend meetings, either the AGM or participate in smaller director meetings and contribute your ideas.
- Participate in the SFAC, even just sitting there to gather information.
- Get more people into fishing. This group is lacking numbers and continue to shrink. We are not significant enough to have an impact at the political platforms.
- Support events like the Wally Hall Jr Memorial Derby, Steelhead Society's fundraiser, Vedder River Cleanup, I need help for "Chilliwack's All About Fishing" on March 14th next year.
- Continuously make IFS an issue with your local MP. Once conversations on these issues at the parliament, they no longer are important.
My problem with this discussion isn't that the source of the roe has not been disclosed. I didn't see the post, I don't know what were said, and I don't know the answers, so I can't and am not going to comment on it. Call the store to find out. My problem is this misinformation being spread about Fred only in it for the personal financial gain, when it is in fact the complete opposite. If you go to Fred and mention that you have an event that needs support, the answer is always yes and there's always a donation. The river cleanups get prizes, Wally Hall Jr Memorial Derby gets prizes, staff hours to run it at the store, last year he puts in $1000 so I could run "Chilliwack's All About Fishing", youth fishing program, other smaller derbies, donating the store space after hours for meetings, the list goes on.... Quit judging people by rumours and what you are perceiving without talking to them.
thanks to your post both those organisations just got a new member.
another thought i would like to bring up is maybe having a sticky on the general discussion forum where people can ask for volunteers. when people post looking for volunteers it usually go's down the list rather quickly. maybe the same for important events. just a thought.
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I think Berry's brought chum roe in from other commercial fisheries outside Fraser in past years and not exactly at a discount from what I can understand. Just saying all the speculation without the facts cause bunch of bull cupcakes. Pretty sure a reputable business wouldn't risk doing something illigal. Prob pulled add cause they freakin ran out and didn't want all the my smelly socks like what's posted above.
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I love how my post gets edited for swear words. Lol
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As someone who has often been fishing the LML rivers, southern interior lakes and the Squamish and it's tribs and even the chuck in the last two decades, the above statement is hard to believe. My first hand observation is that the number of anglers everywhere in our region has exploded in recent years.
Why do people (including you Rod) keep saying that the number of recreational anglers' is shrinking?
Is that based on the number of licenses sold?
If so, then a helluva lot of people are fishing without a license, i.e. illegally.
I know for a fact that salt water fishers have shrunk. And I think freshwater salmon fisheries have also declined or remained flat.
It’s when you take it is participating % by total population you see the real big declines.
Less and less of the % of the populating is hunting or fishing and there
For there is less and less incentive for politicians to care.
I know quite a few people also just fished the Fraser for salmon and did not bother with the trebs in the fall.
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My problem with this discussion isn't that the source of the roe has not been disclosed. I didn't see the post, I don't know what were said, and I don't know the answers, so I can't and am not going to comment on it. Call the store to find out. My problem is this misinformation being spread about Fred only in it for the personal financial gain, when it is in fact the complete opposite. If you go to Fred and mention that you have an event that needs support, the answer is always yes and there's always a donation. The river cleanups get prizes, Wally Hall Jr Memorial Derby gets prizes, staff hours to run it at the store, last year he puts in $1000 so I could run "Chilliwack's All About Fishing", youth fishing program, other smaller derbies, donating the store space after hours for meetings, the list goes on.... Quit judging people by rumours and what you are perceiving without talking to them.
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Thanks for that Rodney. Fred is a good man.
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As someone who has often been fishing the LML rivers, southern interior lakes and the Squamish and it's tribs and even the chuck in the last two decades, the above statement is hard to believe. My first hand observation is that the number of anglers everywhere in our region has exploded in recent years.
Why do people (including you Rod) keep saying that the number of recreational anglers' is shrinking?
Is that based on the number of licenses sold?
If so, then a helluva lot of people are fishing without a license, i.e. illegally.
Interesting that within the last month or so I read Bob Hooton's Days of River Past. He obviously, had access to archived angling stats and said there were more steelhead anglers in the Vancouver, Lower Mainland back in the 60s and into the 70s than there is now. However most angling stats indicate more fish are being caught ...hmm?
According to old info from StatsCan, the number of angling licenses sold in Canada between 1995 and 2005 dropped by 25%. Last I heard that trend had more or less reversed itself. FFSBC reported in 2012 that the number of active anglers in BC rose by 1% a year between 2005 and 2010. Another report says that in the 90s license sales averaged 400,000 while in 2010 sales were 287,000.
These drops are surprising given the increase in population. Today they must be at least 2.5 times the people living in the GVRD and Fraser Valley than in 1970.
Most of those anglers are likely casual anglers and not likely prone to be politically active on angling issues. Overall people who fish are a diverse group and don't seem to share much in the way of political and social values beyond they like to fish. That's may be why they are
so hard to organize.
I think telling people to teach others to fish, to recruit new anglers sounds nice, I am sure there are benefits but overall when it comes from the 'industry', tackle makers, guides, lodge owners, tackle shops etc, I think there is a fair bit of self interest in that advice.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/16-002-x/2008002/article/10622-eng.htm
http://www.missioncreek.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/2012-Freshwater-Angling-and-the-BC-Economy.pdf
https://obwb.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Freshwater_Sport_Fishing_in_British_Columbia_Sending_Ripples_through_the_Provincial_Economy.pdf
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Milo, it's based on freshwater angling licence sales, which have been on the decline in the past three years.
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given all the closures - summer closures on the Island, the Fraser, the Skeena etc - it can't be a surprise.
While I don't believe it's the only cause, many guys are saying the intolerable crowding on some local streams is due to the closure of the Pink and October bar fishing on the lower Fraser.
A friend of mine from out of town asked me why we aren't considering allocating licenses and fishing days salmon & steelhead streams on a lottery basis like they do for hunting?
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Milo, it's based on freshwater angling licence sales, which have been on the decline in the past three years.
Thanks Rod - that was my assumption.
However, I have trouble corresponding that decrease in license sales to the perceived number of anglers on rivers and lakes I frequent (and I barely fish the Vedder anymore).
If I'd been asked, I could have sworn that there are many more people fishing today than a decade or two ago.
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Milo, it's based on freshwater angling licence sales, which have been on the decline in the past three years.
I would guess that the wildfires have had a huge impact on the numbers. Anaheim, Nimpo, Puntzi and Sheridan alone have probably taken enough of a hit by themselves to cause a drop in licences that would be noticeable. Those families that went every year are finding other things to do.
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telling us there has been a decline doesn't tell us anything of the magnitude of the decline.
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Milo, it's based on freshwater angling licence sales, which have been on the decline in the past three years.
Is there a separate tally of salmon conservation surcharges paid? And steelhead? Like maybe there are less people fishing for trout and other gamefish, but more fishing for salmon and steelhead in our rivers? Just a thought.
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Does Fishing with Rod get boycotted for supporting Fred's Custom Tackle? :D
Ways to help IFS and other fishery challenges...
- Join an established organization like the Steelhead Society, Fraser Valley Salmon Society, Fraser River Sportfishing Alliance. Attend meetings, either the AGM or participate in smaller director meetings and contribute your ideas.
- Participate in the SFAC, even just sitting there to gather information.
- Get more people into fishing. This group is lacking numbers and continue to shrink. We are not significant enough to have an impact at the political platforms.
- Support events like the Wally Hall Jr Memorial Derby, Steelhead Society's fundraiser, Vedder River Cleanup, I need help for "Chilliwack's All About Fishing" on March 14th next year.
- Continuously make IFS an issue with your local MP. Once conversations on these issues at the parliament, they no longer are important.
My problem with this discussion isn't that the source of the roe has not been disclosed. I didn't see the post, I don't know what were said, and I don't know the answers, so I can't and am not going to comment on it. Call the store to find out. My problem is this misinformation being spread about Fred only in it for the personal financial gain, when it is in fact the complete opposite. If you go to Fred and mention that you have an event that needs support, the answer is always yes and there's always a donation. The river cleanups get prizes, Wally Hall Jr Memorial Derby gets prizes, staff hours to run it at the store, last year he puts in $1000 so I could run "Chilliwack's All About Fishing", youth fishing program, other smaller derbies, donating the store space after hours for meetings, the list goes on.... Quit judging people by rumours and what you are perceiving without talking to them.
I have known Fred for a long time as he gave so much of his time when we started the Fraser Valley Salmon Society together and he still does give freely to our fish stocks. Without him we would have never got the FVSS off the ground.We got a lot of fishing opportunities due to the work of the FVSS and Fred.
At that time I hated public speaking but Fred was excellent and I was not a very knowlegable fisher in those days. Some still call me a Beak, the Master for 1 and things worse.lolI
Also when I was running a Rec Hockey League and ran a team as well and it was when Fred came to our team I made him Captain as I knew he was a leader in many aspects. We had many good times together and even won a championship. I see that team picture in my room now, we looked a little younger back in 1979. ;D
I personally know Fred cares for our salmon and sturgeon stocks. Sure he has a buisness related to them but he puts their welfare of the fish first.
I donot know all the facts to this topic but I had to type my thoughts about Fred that I call a true and valued friend.
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Fred’s reputation speaks for itself your either a fan or not.
The topic however is did the store buy roe from First Nations and it is still an unanswered question.
It probably does not matter now as the question has been left open for long enough that the doubt is out their.
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Maybe they were just saying it was fresh trying to get rid of some old sheit... pretty hard to speculate without more info.
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Fred’s reputation speaks for itself your either a fan or not.
The topic however is did the store buy roe from First Nations and it is still an unanswered question.
It probably does not matter now as the question has been left open for long enough that the doubt is out their.
More likely they didn't want to disclose their legal source and have other shops compete.
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More likely they didn't want to disclose their legal source and have other shops compete.
Doubtful. They dont have any competition from Hope to Abbotsford, zero ave to Mission. I used to love Wholesales Sports. I would drive to Langley just for that store Near the end of their life ( right after Cabelas opened ) that store had major stock and local kind of tackle. I wouldn't say that Fred's is my favorite, mainly because they always seem to be sold out of what I need during peak season of whatever is running. I could care less about roe or where it came from.
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Robs bait will hook you up 8)
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Literally every actual tackle store pulled the betties off the shelf’s after the last sockeye opening so nice try. Yes I do spend a couple thousand dollars in fishing tackle every year. Not that hard when your lucky enough to fish more days then not. Hell a decent pair or waders is over 500 bucks now
...and I can guarantee you they'll restock those shelves if they ever reopen the sockeye. No different when there's a pink opening and shelves are filled with pink spoons. It's referred to as commerce 101...supply and demand.
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since nobody bothered to phone and ask, I did. Tony said it's frozen fresh roe from last year's commercial openings.
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since nobody bothered to phone and ask, I did. Tony said it's frozen fresh roe from last year's commercial openings.
Cant believe I made my eyes bleed like that by reading 5 pages of garbage. Get a life, people. Social media these days is out of control.
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Good ole Fresh (previously frozen) roe
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Who said it was fresh?
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Good ole Fresh (previously frozen) roe
In this instance, I would assume "fresh" means uncured.
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Berry's is also advertising it has Fresh Frozen roe available.
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Fresh is my word, as opposed to rotten. ::)
I've dealt with discussion forums and social media long enough to realize that no matter what you say, if someone doesn't like you, they're going to go out of their way to taint your reputation when you put yourself out there. No worries, no amount of defence would change those minds, we let our own actions to speak for ourselves.
Here's the store's original post in question.
(https://i.imgur.com/Y6meaQA.png)
Why anyone would think a business that spends thousands of dollars each year on giving back to this community is willing to source bait illegally to sell is beyond baffling.
Fred and I don't agree on everything, but at the end of the day I have a lot more respect for him than anonymous individuals who spend more time trying to prove others are wrong than actually doing something to help the community. There are some pretty smart people here, there are also some who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about yet they think they do, but a huge chunk of the group never bother to execute their ideas and do something about what they are unhappy about. Laziness? Scared? No idea, but what a waste of time.
A post from Fred's staff to follow below.
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Hey Folks... Based on an Oct 30th posting, there have been some outright lies floating around the web about Fred's selling "fresh chum roe". First off, the posting (see Rod's post) doesn't say fresh. Second, it was frozen. Third, it was from 2018 - hence sturgeon bait. Finally, it was purchased from an Alaskan processing plant. We brought the FB posting down because, again, there were lies and accusations being irresponsibly thrown about and it was best to nip it in the bud before things got too out of control. Fred personally puts countless hours in with Local / Provincial / Federal stakeholders and contributes an enormous amount of financial backing to help protect our Fraser River basin and its tributaries. This often gets overlooked internet heroes looking to gain points, or start ugly rumors. We are not the enemy. In fact, Fred is a leader, fighting for YOUR RIGHT to responsibly enjoy the sport we love. Please feel free to contact Tony at 604-858-7344 if you have any questions.
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Fact: Roe is not fresh.
Fact: Roe is frozen.
Fact: Roe is Alaskan.
Fact: Roe is from last year.
Thanks Rodney and Tony. It's a shame that Avid Angler chose to spread lies about a respectable business on this forum based on pure speculation and assumptions.
Very dissapointing.
Almost as disgusting as finding a chum doe last weekend with her belly slit open and roe removed.
I hope baiting hooks with roe gets banned. The sooner, the better. And something tells me Fred would not oppose such ban.
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I’ve been waiting for an actual answer from Freds before commenting further. My apologies. I was wrong. I know for a fact that many people shared my concerns. I was just the only one who posted it here. I had phoned the Abbotsford store and whoever it was I spoke to refused to comment on the source. Milo I doubt many people including Fred would support a roe ban. With how many more people are using bait now as opposed to snagging it would be a huge backwards step with all the efforts to move lower mainland river fisheries away from flossing.
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I’ve been waiting for an actual answer from Freds before commenting further. My apologies. I was wrong. I know for a fact that many people shared my concerns. I was just the only one who posted it here. I had phoned the Abbotsford store and whoever it was I spoke to refused to comment on the source. Milo I doubt many people including Fred would support a roe ban. With how many more people are using bait now as opposed to snagging it would be a huge backwards step with all the efforts to move lower mainland river fisheries away from flossing.
Good on you for manning up, owning your mistake and apologizing. Let's move on.
For the record, I do not opose bait overall; I oppose using cured salmon roe as bait. There are alternatives, like a certain small crustacean readily available in every supermarket. Or juicy night crawlers for steelhead. Plus endless scents that can release a smelly milky trail. Not too mention all those artificials made to imitate roe and single eggs. Just a thought.
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I’ve been waiting for an actual answer from Freds before commenting further. My apologies. I was wrong. I know for a fact that many people shared my concerns. I was just the only one who posted it here. I had phoned the Abbotsford store and whoever it was I spoke to refused to comment on the source. Milo I doubt many people including Fred would support a roe ban. With how many more people are using bait now as opposed to snagging it would be a huge backwards step with all the efforts to move lower mainland river fisheries away from flossing.
I would 100 % support a ban of fishing with roe/bait on the CV . A bait ban would surely help catch and release wild fish survival rates..... It would also probably help with the killing of female Chum on the river....How is that a bad thing ?
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Sorry but I disagree. Especially on the chilliwack system. The fish shut off to everything once they’re pressured including bait. I’ve handled over 1000 bait caught steelhead In that time I’ve dealt with 2 bleeders ever. I’ve had more lethally hooked salmonids on dry flies and spoons then bait and I fish a lot more bait then anything else. Plus they guys slitting female chum are already poaching. Who says they’ll stop just because of a rule? You want to increase wild fish survival rates? Make stricter fish handling rules.
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Does this mean I can shop at Fred’s again?
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Sorry but I disagree. Especially on the chilliwack system. The fish shut off to everything once they’re pressured including bait.
Sounds like a good reason to ban it. Don't you think the fish deserve a break or are they only there for us to stick them with a hook? Not only bleeders die. Try hooking a steelhead on a dry fly at winter temperatures on the V-C. It's hard enough with deeply sunk wet flies.
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I’m saying it wouldn’t change anything lol. In my experience beads and blades pick up way more pincushions then roe. You want to give the fish a break? Shut down the upper river in April so the fish don’t see ANY gear for awhile and don’t get pressured out of all the fantastic spawning habitat
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We should just ban fishing.😏
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We should just ban fishing.😏
Just move on to strictly tuna fishing Owen :)
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Sorry but I disagree. Especially on the chilliwack system. The fish shut off to everything once they’re pressured including bait. I’ve handled over 1000 bait caught steelhead In that time I’ve dealt with 2 bleeders ever. I’ve had more lethally hooked salmonids on dry flies and spoons then bait and I fish a lot more bait then anything else. Plus they guys slitting female chum are already poaching. Who says they’ll stop just because of a rule? You want to increase wild fish survival rates? Make stricter fish handling rules.
I disagree with the last statement simply because it is hard to enforce. Look at Sturgeon. People still handle sturgeon like donkeys and proudly post their handling techniques on social media. The one rule I would be in favor of is once the limit of hatchery fish has been retained the angler has to stop fishing for the day. Make it the same as Steelhead. Itll open the river up, allow more fish to pass up river to other angler and be hook shy. Far too many people on the Chilliwack river C&R Coho all day long. Its unnecessary.
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A simple change in regulation can go a long way. Lowering the number of possession per day will certainly help to lower the pressure on the river and the fish and also allows more people to enjoy the fishing. Why someone need 4 hatchery coho per day? Make it a max of 2 hatchery and one Spring a day. That is more than enough fish for one person.
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You want to give the fish a break? Shut down the upper river in April so the fish don’t see ANY gear for awhile and don’t get pressured out of all the fantastic spawning habitat
I'd go for that and a roe ban too!
(Just kidding on the roe ban part).
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Make it a max of 2 hatchery and one Spring a day.
I think that's more than generous. Another approach could be 10 hatchery coho per season per angler, just like steelhead and chinook.
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I think that's more than generous. Another approach could be 10 hatchery coho per season per angler, just like steelhead and chinook.
Why would we ask for more restrictions, All your doing is giving your Quota away to another sector. If we don't kill the fish another sector will, sadly that's how the system works.
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Why would we ask for more restrictions
To prevent people from hogging the most productive spots all day, allowing more anglers access to quality water. The result would be more fish caught by a larger number of anglers.
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To prevent people from hogging the most productive spots all day, allowing more anglers access to quality water. The result would be more fish caught by a larger number of anglers.
yeah that's a fair point
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Why would we ask for more restrictions, All your doing is giving your Quota away to another sector. If we don't kill the fish another sector will, sadly that's how the system works.
100% agree with wildmanyeah. Hatchery fisheries are basically the only freshwater salmon retention fisheries we have left. In no way should we ever ask for additional restrictions. It’s a very slippery slope.
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I disagree with the last statement simply because it is hard to enforce. Look at Sturgeon. People still handle sturgeon like donkeys and proudly post their handling techniques on social media. The one rule I would be in favor of is once the limit of hatchery fish has been retained the angler has to stop fishing for the day. Make it the same as Steelhead. Itll open the river up, allow more fish to pass up river to other angler and be hook shy. Far too many people on the Chilliwack river C&R Coho all day long. Its unnecessary.
Sturgeon handling has improved dramatically with the new rules. Steelhead especially would 100% benefit from a handling improving regulation. A huge driving factor for the new generation is photos for their Facebook and Instagram accounts. If they get shamed for breaking a mishandling rule chances are they won’t do it again
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Frankly, that line of thinking is skewed. Fish should be handled properly out of principle - because it's the right thing to do, NOT because someone will shame you on Facebook!
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Frankly, that line of thinking is skewed. Fish should be handled properly out of principle - because it's the right thing to do, NOT because someone will shame you on Facebook!
I agree with you unfortunately that is not enough of a motive for many.